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2021-01-15 9:02:06 AM  
We are now in the diva era of the NBA.
 
2021-01-15 9:06:17 AM  
It's never a good thing to allow a player carte blanche, no matter the sport or ability.

But once given can't be taken away.

This is management's fault.

He should have been traded with the ownership change.
 
2021-01-15 9:08:04 AM  

Rapmaster2000: We are now in the diva era of the NBA.



We've been in that era since the ABA merger.  Basketball attracts unconventional individuals often with flamboyant personalities.  It rewards individual accomplishments to a much larger degree than other team sports due to the fact that there are only 5 players on the court for a team at any one time.
 
2021-01-15 9:20:57 AM  
Snapper Carr:

Not to mention, if you survive in the league past year 3 as a starter with no significant down time and avg stats in all 3 years chances are you'll be playing for as long as you want barring injury/age, rank that up to superstar level stats and you get this situation
 
2021-01-15 9:33:23 AM  

Snapper Carr: Rapmaster2000: We are now in the diva era of the NBA.


We've been in that era since the ABA merger.  Basketball attracts unconventional individuals often with flamboyant personalities.  It rewards individual accomplishments to a much larger degree than other team sports due to the fact that there are only 5 players on the court for a team at any one time.


I thought of the 80s as the goon era.
 
2021-01-15 9:45:11 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Snapper Carr: Rapmaster2000: We are now in the diva era of the NBA.


We've been in that era since the ABA merger.  Basketball attracts unconventional individuals often with flamboyant personalities.  It rewards individual accomplishments to a much larger degree than other team sports due to the fact that there are only 5 players on the court for a team at any one time.

I thought of the 80s as the goon era.


The defensive rules at the time basically allowed you to murder anyone who got in the paint so that's not far off but you had guys like Rodman (of course), Walton, Clyde Frazier and Darryl Dawkins who were all pretty out there.
 
2021-01-15 9:50:12 AM  

Snapper Carr: Rapmaster2000: Snapper Carr: Rapmaster2000: We are now in the diva era of the NBA.


We've been in that era since the ABA merger.  Basketball attracts unconventional individuals often with flamboyant personalities.  It rewards individual accomplishments to a much larger degree than other team sports due to the fact that there are only 5 players on the court for a team at any one time.

I thought of the 80s as the goon era.

The defensive rules at the time basically allowed you to murder anyone who got in the paint so that's not far off but you had guys like Rodman (of course), Walton, Clyde Frazier and Darryl Dawkins who were all pretty out there.


That's what impresses me about a guy like Dominique Wilkins. He led the league in scoring in 1984 (and was between 25 and 31 PPG a game for the next 9 seasons) even though he went to the rim constantly.  The guy must have needed ice after every game.
 
2021-01-15 9:53:20 AM  

AuralArgument: It's never a good thing to allow a player carte blanche, no matter the sport or ability.

But once given can't be taken away.

This is management's fault.

He should have been traded with the ownership change.


I feel it's a little column A column B.  Management should never have been so lenient, but you have to wonder if that was done because Harden was already hinting at wanting out behind the scenes.
 
2021-01-15 10:06:23 AM  
"He's never heard 'no' before."

Has James Harden won an NBA championship?

"No"
 
2021-01-15 10:15:11 AM  
That article makes me like Westbrook even more.  I know he's inefficient by many metrics, but he's the grittiest player in the league.  Love the way he plays.

Rapmaster2000: That's what impresses me about a guy like Dominique Wilkins. He led the league in scoring in 1984 (and was between 25 and 31 PPG a game for the next 9 seasons) even though he went to the rim constantly.  The guy must have needed ice after every game.


He managed his load by resting every time the other team had the ball.
 
2021-01-15 10:20:47 AM  
The guy once scored 60 points, and had a triple-double on that same game, something that had never been done before, or since... and yet, he is unwatchable.

Harden dribbles the ball... he dibbles it... he dibbles it...
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2021-01-15 10:39:18 AM  
"Now that James Harden has surrendered control of the Houston Rockets, everyone's free to tell stories about his awful regime"

FTA: Editor's note: This story was originally published on Dec. 16, 2020.


Hmmmm.  I suspect there is a lot wrong here.
 
2021-01-15 10:57:15 AM  
 
2021-01-15 11:26:09 AM  

FLMountainMan: That article makes me like Westbrook even more.  I know he's inefficient by many metrics, but he's the grittiest player in the league.  Love the way he plays.

Rapmaster2000: That's what impresses me about a guy like Dominique Wilkins. He led the league in scoring in 1984 (and was between 25 and 31 PPG a game for the next 9 seasons) even though he went to the rim constantly.  The guy must have needed ice after every game.

He managed his load by resting every time the other team had the ball.


Whatever you're smoking, cut it in half.
 
2021-01-15 11:28:37 AM  
I never much liked the Running Beard. He never plays defense, and he's such a goddamn cheater by throwing himself into every defender with his one-trick pony jumpshot, he just ruins the game.
 
2021-01-15 11:32:14 AM  
I long for the days that fellas stick with their team through thick and thin and understand the team is greater than the player, no matter how awesome of a player you are on the court.

westbrook was right to be pissed and frustrated at the kowtowing to his behavior.
 
2021-01-15 11:32:43 AM  
For me, the NBA sideshows (probably starting with "THE DECISION!!") have become much more entertaining than the actual on-court product.
 
2021-01-15 11:45:54 AM  

KingKauff: FLMountainMan: That article makes me like Westbrook even more.  I know he's inefficient by many metrics, but he's the grittiest player in the league.  Love the way he plays.

Rapmaster2000: That's what impresses me about a guy like Dominique Wilkins. He led the league in scoring in 1984 (and was between 25 and 31 PPG a game for the next 9 seasons) even though he went to the rim constantly.  The guy must have needed ice after every game.

He managed his load by resting every time the other team had the ball.

Whatever you're smoking, cut it in half.


About Dominique or Westbrook?  If you're disagreeing with me about Westbrook's intensity, then I'm not sure you've seen him play.  Or maybe we just view the world very differently.  I see a relentlessly competitive guy that works his ass off.

As far as Dominique's defense...even Larry farking Bird mocked Wilkins' defense https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2​3​86722-larry-bird-pokes-fun-at-dominiqu​e-wilkins-defense-as-hawks-unveil-stat​ue

And note the qualifiers his former teammates give in this.  "When he wanted to play defense, he could."

https://www.nba.com/hawks/history/ora​l​-history-outtakes-dominique-wilkins-un​derrated-superstar-0
 
2021-01-15 11:48:36 AM  
Teams that allow that kind of behavior are part of the problem.
 
2021-01-15 11:59:39 AM  

FLMountainMan: If you're disagreeing with me about Westbrook's intensity, then I'm not sure you've seen him play.  Or maybe we just view the world very differently.  I see a relentlessly competitive guy that works his ass off.


Russ is intense and competitive as hell, which I do admire, but he often displays it in such annoying, tone deaf ways (chirping "YOU BETTER DOUBLE ME" while down 20 points in the game and in the series against the Lakers last year in the bubble is a great recent example) that his competitiveness, to me at least, is more of a meme than anything else now.

I haven't seen a player like him before where, honestly, more than 50% of any "comeback" to any of his trash talk can be done by simply pointing to the scoreboard and smirking.
 
2021-01-15 12:20:27 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Shaq telling his side


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2021-01-15 12:23:01 PM  
Just because he's a ball hog, jumps into defenders while throwing bricks and rarely plays defense doesn't make him a diva it just makes him special, and you're special and the ref's are special...
 
2021-01-15 12:41:07 PM  

phedex: I long for the days that fellas stick with their team through thick and thin and understand the team is greater than the player, no matter how awesome of a player you are on the court.

westbrook was right to be pissed and frustrated at the kowtowing to his behavior.


In what sport was that ever the day?  and don't say baseball, because the players were FORCED to stick with their teams.
 
2021-01-15 12:58:17 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Shaq telling his side


Damn. The contemptuous disappointment in his voice is just brutal.
 
2021-01-15 1:01:30 PM  
Kinda lost interest in the NBA several years ago.  Predictable teams/players in the playoffs, with predictable results.  Last years champs were once my very favorite team.  I loved Magic and the Showtime Lakers.  Starting with the acquisition of Shaq, and then Kobe, I just never cared as much. Then I listened to this podcast, I am now done caring about the NBA.  I'll still watch it sometimes, but I know it is just entertainment, not competition.
https://whistleblowerpod.com
 
2021-01-15 1:16:26 PM  

Stephen_Falken: I never much liked the Running Beard. He never plays defense, and he's such a goddamn cheater by throwing himself into every defender with his one-trick pony jumpshot, he just ruins the game.


He's basically a new gen Carmelo; can't play D for shiat, dribbles the ball endlessly and flops like a freshly caught salmon.
 
2021-01-15 1:17:51 PM  

phedex: I long for the days that fellas stick with their team through thick and thin and understand the team is greater than the player, no matter how awesome of a player you are on the court.

westbrook was right to be pissed and frustrated at the kowtowing to his behavior.


See, I tend to take it the other way:  I hated it when teams didn't do shiat to help when they knew they had a player that can win them a title because "Hey, we're making money regardless, so long as he's here."

You have to have a balance.
 
2021-01-15 2:16:08 PM  

Lucky Stu: Kinda lost interest in the NBA several years ago.  Predictable teams/players in the playoffs, with predictable results.  Last years champs were once my very favorite team.  I loved Magic and the Showtime Lakers.  Starting with the acquisition of Shaq, and then Kobe, I just never cared as much. Then I listened to this podcast, I am now done caring about the NBA.  I'll still watch it sometimes, but I know it is just entertainment, not competition.
https://whistleblowerpod.com


Drink!
 
2021-01-15 2:51:34 PM  

phedex: I long for the days that fellas stick with their team through thick and thin and understand the team is greater than the player, no matter how awesome of a player you are on the court.

westbrook was right to be pissed and frustrated at the kowtowing to his behavior.


Loyalty is largely gone throught the culture of all working on both sides.
 
2021-01-15 4:43:13 PM  

phedex: I long for the days that fellas stick with their team through thick and thin and understand the team is greater than the player, no matter how awesome of a player you are on the court.

westbrook was right to be pissed and frustrated at the kowtowing to his behavior.


Players are no less loyal than they were before; they simply have options and power they didn't have before.

/you never heard the saying "a man is only as loyal as his options"?
 
2021-01-15 4:47:37 PM  
Also, LOL @ the idea that ANY player who played for OKC in particular in the era where Durant, Westbrook, and Harden entered the league should EVER give a flying f*ck about loyalty.
 
2021-01-15 5:59:53 PM  

Magnus: phedex: I long for the days that fellas stick with their team through thick and thin and understand the team is greater than the player, no matter how awesome of a player you are on the court.

westbrook was right to be pissed and frustrated at the kowtowing to his behavior.

In what sport was that ever the day?  and don't say baseball, because the players were FORCED to stick with their teams.



At least they knew there place
 
2021-01-15 6:02:48 PM  

Snapper Carr: Rapmaster2000: We are now in the diva era of the NBA.


We've been in that era since the ABA merger.  Basketball attracts unconventional individuals often with flamboyant personalities.  It rewards individual accomplishments to a much larger degree than other team sports due to the fact that there are only 5 players on the court for a team at any one time.


Tennis players are 5 more times more unconventional because there are only 1 player on the court for a team at any one time.
 
2021-01-15 6:03:18 PM  
MICHAEL JORDAN'S COMPETITION WAS HORRIBLE! (VIDEO EVIDENCE)
Youtube 5zQAGYRjaIs
 
2021-01-15 10:58:32 PM  

LewDux: Magnus: phedex: I long for the days that fellas stick with their team through thick and thin and understand the team is greater than the player, no matter how awesome of a player you are on the court.

westbrook was right to be pissed and frustrated at the kowtowing to his behavior.

In what sport was that ever the day?  and don't say baseball, because the players were FORCED to stick with their teams.


At least they knew there place


to the various responders, as I was reading about his shenanigans, i was thinking about dudes like larry bird, reggie miller, dirk nowitzki, kobe bryant.   guys who stick with their team through the highs and lows are royalty in their respective cities/states.   You're already the best player on your team; stick around until you're a veteran closing out your career makes you a special breed; live and die with your team.

I don't deny that the new style is chasing a trophy wherever possible, and i can totaly accept that if you're don't act like a petulant child like harden does.
 
2021-01-16 5:59:44 AM  

phedex: LewDux: Magnus: phedex: I long for the days that fellas stick with their team through thick and thin and understand the team is greater than the player, no matter how awesome of a player you are on the court.

westbrook was right to be pissed and frustrated at the kowtowing to his behavior.

In what sport was that ever the day?  and don't say baseball, because the players were FORCED to stick with their teams.


At least they knew there place

to the various responders, as I was reading about his shenanigans, i was thinking about dudes like larry bird, reggie miller, dirk nowitzki, kobe bryant.   guys who stick with their team through the highs and lows are royalty

phedex: LewDux: Magnus: phedex: I long for the days that fellas stick with their team through thick and thin and understand the team is greater than the player, no matter how awesome of a player you are on the court.

westbrook was right to be pissed and frustrated at the kowtowing to his behavior.

In what sport was that ever the day?  and don't say baseball, because the players were FORCED to stick with their teams.


At least they knew there place

to the various responders, as I was reading about his shenanigans, i was thinking about dudes like larry bird, reggie miller, dirk nowitzki, kobe bryant.   guys who stick with their team through the highs and lows are royalty in their respective cities/states.   You're already the best player on your team; stick around until you're a veteran closing out your career makes you a special breed; live and die with your team.

I don't deny that the new style is chasing a trophy wherever possible, and i can totaly accept that if you're don't act like a petulant child like harden does.

in their respective cities/states.   You're already the best player on your team; stick around until you're a veteran closing out your career makes you a special breed; live and die with your team.

I don't deny that the new style is chasing a trophy wherever possible, and i can totaly accept that if you're don't act like a petulant child like harden does.


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Kobe Bryant confirms he wanted trade in 2007 to the Chicago Bulls - Los Angeles Times


And then there's Olajuwon and Barkley
 
2021-01-16 9:45:31 AM  
Also, free agency wasn't really a thing. Teams didn't clear cap space to go for free agents.

So, basically, players aren't any less loyal. Several different factors aligned to eliminate "loyalty" (you also will note that there aren't all that many examples from the old days and that you're not considering guys currently playing like Giannis or Curry or Lillard because you're assuming they will leave their teams).

1. Maximum salary: The top players can all get paid the same no matter where they go, AND teams can plan on an exact salary for future free agents.
2. Maximum contract lengths: Teams can't offer additional security to players (therefore there aren't any Jordans - guys who had a super-long contract that carried them all through their tough years where they might have wanted to leave until they became the best option for a free agent)
3. Focus on championships and international, rather than local/regional coverage: Because, as a nation, we call everyone who doesn't win titles a loser and a choker, and you don't get the respect of staying in one place unless you win a title there (Kobe, Dirk, Timmy D)...why would you expect people to stay instead of spending their whole lives before an international audience being called a loser and a choker due to circumstances you don't even control?
 
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