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(Onion AV Club)   Ray Fisher confirms he's been unplugged as Cyborg   (news.avclub.com) divider line
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2021-01-14 11:10:40 PM  
15 votes:
Just swap him out with the better Cyborg:

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2021-01-14 9:18:26 PM  
11 votes:

Naido: I feel like there must have been absolutely nothing to his story.  Who, these days, would risk firing him, rather than the accused, if the accusations were true?  But as noted in TFA, the info about this has always been way too vague, so who knows?


I don't know if he was really even "fired".

He declared that he'd never work with the studio again as long as certain people were still there.
Studio replied with "Okay. Bye."

I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt early on, but he's never moved on beyond vague accusations. This being his first major movie, it wouldn't surprise me if he just didn't get the experience he expected when he signed onto it.

And I have no problem believing Whedon was more difficult to work with than he'd normally be. He got paid a bunch of money to come in and clean up someone else's mess of a movie and he's the kind of person that would rather have complete control from the ground up.
 
2021-01-14 3:05:51 PM  
10 votes:
"Man publicly excoriates his superior; is later fired"
 
2021-01-15 4:19:45 AM  
8 votes:

Mad_Radhu: Just swap him out with the better Cyborg:

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I prefer Doom Patrol over the DCEU movies.
 
2021-01-15 11:15:03 AM  
7 votes:
Dude makes Jussie Smollett look like a master career planner.
 
2021-01-14 10:56:05 PM  
6 votes:

Naido: I feel like there must have been absolutely nothing to his story.  Who, these days, would risk firing him, rather than the accused, if the accusations were true?  But as noted in TFA, the info about this has always been way too vague, so who knows?


This guy just seems crazy. He keeps talking about investigations but never explicitly says what the problem was.
 
2021-01-15 11:50:13 AM  
5 votes:

moothemagiccow: Naido: I feel like there must have been absolutely nothing to his story.  Who, these days, would risk firing him, rather than the accused, if the accusations were true?  But as noted in TFA, the info about this has always been way too vague, so who knows?

This guy just seems crazy. He keeps talking about investigations but never explicitly says what the problem was.


from some sources, Fisher never cooperated with the studio investigation, so ...

1) make allegations, call for investigation
2) avoid actually taking part in said investigation
3) complain that results are skewed

Where have we seen this kind of shiat before?
 
2021-01-15 3:43:18 AM  
5 votes:

Naido: I feel like there must have been absolutely nothing to his story.  Who, these days, would risk firing him, rather than the accused, if the accusations were true?  But as noted in TFA, the info about this has always been way too vague, so who knows?


The one and only time he kinda sorta elaborated was when he whined about scenes of his being cut in Justice League. Something that happens to literally every actor, including famous and respected ones which he ain't.

Barring any sudden revelations dude is just a diva who doesn't understand why everyone else doesn't see how awesome he is.
 
2021-01-15 12:00:35 PM  
4 votes:

Boojum2k: NeoCortex42: Last Man on Earth: I'd go a step further than that.  If someone told me Whedon was a pain in the ass to work with, that he was temperamental, emotional, a control freak, even verbally abusive, I'd say "yeah, I can picture that."  He's got a small stable of actors willing to keep coming back, but that also kind of suggests those are the people who work well with his style and are willing to put up with his weirder shiat.  He's hardly the first "auteur" to fit that profile.  Hell, if he'd come out claiming a racial angle, if someone could support the allegations, that would be something worth discussing.

He's an admitted workaholic.  So yeah, it's not hard to imagine him being a bit much to work with, although I'm sure he's still well below the likes of Kubrick or Hitchcock as far as "abusive directors that somehow continued to get people to work for them".

The closest thing to a specific complaint I've seen on this whole thing is that Fisher was mad about his part being cut down as well as reducing the screen time or cutting out other minority characters.  That doesn't surprise me, though.  If you have a movie with Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and Cyborg, it's not hard to predict which one is losing screen time in the editing room.  And when all of the minority characters are basically supporting characters to Cyborg, of course they'll be cut as well.

He may want to steer clear of any James Cameron movies, too.


His steering clear of movies is not going to be by choice, me thinks. At least, not a choice HE gets to make. He's got a few ticks of the 15 minute timer left, at best.
 
2021-01-15 8:55:00 AM  
4 votes:
I have been saying from day one that if DC just did follow the Marvel plan and started with Cyborg, he could be DC's Iron Man.

The character that the average person doesn't know anything about, really build up the origin story, which is interesting, at least from tidbits I saw in Justice League because I still honestly don't know much.
I enjoy the character on Doom Patrol but I don't know which origin story is closer to the real origin of Cyborg.

And I feel bad for this kid because he wasn't in a position where he could put his role up against the entire upper echelon of DC comics (or whoever he was mad at).

Maybe Gal Godot Is in a position to make threats, but not this kid
 
2021-01-14 9:16:24 PM  
4 votes:
Unknown person decides not to take role of inconsequential character. Nobody notices.

No film at 11...duh.
 
2021-01-15 9:08:31 AM  
3 votes:

NeoCortex42: Naido: I feel like there must have been absolutely nothing to his story.  Who, these days, would risk firing him, rather than the accused, if the accusations were true?  But as noted in TFA, the info about this has always been way too vague, so who knows?

I don't know if he was really even "fired".

He declared that he'd never work with the studio again as long as certain people were still there.
Studio replied with "Okay. Bye."

I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt early on, but he's never moved on beyond vague accusations. This being his first major movie, it wouldn't surprise me if he just didn't get the experience he expected when he signed onto it.

And I have no problem believing Whedon was more difficult to work with than he'd normally be. He got paid a bunch of money to come in and clean up someone else's mess of a movie and he's the kind of person that would rather have complete control from the ground up.


I'd go a step further than that.  If someone told me Whedon was a pain in the ass to work with, that he was temperamental, emotional, a control freak, even verbally abusive, I'd say "yeah, I can picture that."  He's got a small stable of actors willing to keep coming back, but that also kind of suggests those are the people who work well with his style and are willing to put up with his weirder shiat.  He's hardly the first "auteur" to fit that profile.  Hell, if he'd come out claiming a racial angle, if someone could support the allegations, that would be something worth discussing.

When Fisher went after the head of WB, though, he needed to have some substance to his allegations.  I get that he probably wanted to avoid specifics for fear of a slander suit or similar, but sticking to broad generalities came off as nothing more than "I'm a prima donna, and how dare the CEO not back me up over the director.  I'm a star, dammit!"  That's what tanked his career way beyond having a smaller role in the retooled movie.  If you're going to "it's me or them" a corporate exec, and you don't have some very specific reasons, that's not even going to be a choice for the decision-makers.
 
2021-01-15 4:29:17 AM  
3 votes:
......what little of what I made myself see of Justice League, he didn't really whelm me as Cyborg anyway.
I know he's all Poor Me My Scenes Were Cut, but maybe there was a reason for that.

....I mean, yeah, nobody in that 2 and a half hours of suck was very good, even the couple of accomplished actors, but Cyborg could have been entirely CGI and there would have been no difference in performance. Hell, there might have been less uncanny valley.
 
2021-01-14 9:44:05 PM  
3 votes:

WhippingBoi: Oh great. Does this mean DCEU movies are going to suck now?


*sigh*  Yeah.

And it's retroactive.
 
2021-01-15 12:20:34 PM  
2 votes:

Ghost Roach: Boojum2k: NeoCortex42: Last Man on Earth: I'd go a step further than that.  If someone told me Whedon was a pain in the ass to work with, that he was temperamental, emotional, a control freak, even verbally abusive, I'd say "yeah, I can picture that."  He's got a small stable of actors willing to keep coming back, but that also kind of suggests those are the people who work well with his style and are willing to put up with his weirder shiat.  He's hardly the first "auteur" to fit that profile.  Hell, if he'd come out claiming a racial angle, if someone could support the allegations, that would be something worth discussing.

He's an admitted workaholic.  So yeah, it's not hard to imagine him being a bit much to work with, although I'm sure he's still well below the likes of Kubrick or Hitchcock as far as "abusive directors that somehow continued to get people to work for them".

The closest thing to a specific complaint I've seen on this whole thing is that Fisher was mad about his part being cut down as well as reducing the screen time or cutting out other minority characters.  That doesn't surprise me, though.  If you have a movie with Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and Cyborg, it's not hard to predict which one is losing screen time in the editing room.  And when all of the minority characters are basically supporting characters to Cyborg, of course they'll be cut as well.

He may want to steer clear of any James Cameron movies, too.

His steering clear of movies is not going to be by choice, me thinks. At least, not a choice HE gets to make. He's got a few ticks of the 15 minute timer left, at best.


Yeah, there's no doubt he's now been branded as "difficult".  It would be one thing if he had a resume like a Christian Bale or something of that level, but to be labeled that way at the start of his career?  Yeah, he's boned.
 
2021-01-14 9:06:49 PM  
2 votes:
I feel like there must have been absolutely nothing to his story.  Who, these days, would risk firing him, rather than the accused, if the accusations were true?  But as noted in TFA, the info about this has always been way too vague, so who knows?
 
2021-01-15 11:52:42 AM  
1 vote:

NeoCortex42: Last Man on Earth: I'd go a step further than that.  If someone told me Whedon was a pain in the ass to work with, that he was temperamental, emotional, a control freak, even verbally abusive, I'd say "yeah, I can picture that."  He's got a small stable of actors willing to keep coming back, but that also kind of suggests those are the people who work well with his style and are willing to put up with his weirder shiat.  He's hardly the first "auteur" to fit that profile.  Hell, if he'd come out claiming a racial angle, if someone could support the allegations, that would be something worth discussing.

He's an admitted workaholic.  So yeah, it's not hard to imagine him being a bit much to work with, although I'm sure he's still well below the likes of Kubrick or Hitchcock as far as "abusive directors that somehow continued to get people to work for them".

The closest thing to a specific complaint I've seen on this whole thing is that Fisher was mad about his part being cut down as well as reducing the screen time or cutting out other minority characters.  That doesn't surprise me, though.  If you have a movie with Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and Cyborg, it's not hard to predict which one is losing screen time in the editing room.  And when all of the minority characters are basically supporting characters to Cyborg, of course they'll be cut as well.


He may want to steer clear of any James Cameron movies, too.
 
2021-01-15 11:24:27 AM  
1 vote:

Last Man on Earth: I'd go a step further than that.  If someone told me Whedon was a pain in the ass to work with, that he was temperamental, emotional, a control freak, even verbally abusive, I'd say "yeah, I can picture that."  He's got a small stable of actors willing to keep coming back, but that also kind of suggests those are the people who work well with his style and are willing to put up with his weirder shiat.  He's hardly the first "auteur" to fit that profile.  Hell, if he'd come out claiming a racial angle, if someone could support the allegations, that would be something worth discussing.


He's an admitted workaholic.  So yeah, it's not hard to imagine him being a bit much to work with, although I'm sure he's still well below the likes of Kubrick or Hitchcock as far as "abusive directors that somehow continued to get people to work for them".

The closest thing to a specific complaint I've seen on this whole thing is that Fisher was mad about his part being cut down as well as reducing the screen time or cutting out other minority characters.  That doesn't surprise me, though.  If you have a movie with Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and Cyborg, it's not hard to predict which one is losing screen time in the editing room.  And when all of the minority characters are basically supporting characters to Cyborg, of course they'll be cut as well.
 
2021-01-14 10:58:52 PM  
1 vote:
Well, Fisher Stevens is trending, so... mission accomplished, I guess?

Actually: no, really, I'm sure that Joss Whedon is history's greatest monster and you are just the first person brave enough to admit it, you trailblazing, not-at-all-utterly-forgettable actor, you!

(drawing up a petition to replace Ray Fisher with Fisher Stevens in all future DC live action Cyborg appearances)
 
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