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(Pirates & Princesses)   Star Wars rumors: the Lucasfilm Story Group, which maintains canon and is developing The High Republic property, was kept out of the loop from Jon Favreau's production & is all jelly that Mando is the only Star Wars fans give a shiat about   (piratesandprincesses.net) divider line
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2021-01-13 9:14:55 PM  
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2021-01-13 9:50:59 PM  
Bring back Kyle Katarn, dammit. He was one of the best parts of 90s EU
 
2021-01-13 10:20:49 PM  
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Issue 1: HR addresses the complete lack of guardrails among any cliff/sudden drop, of which there seem to be many.
 
2021-01-13 10:51:05 PM  

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Issue 1: HR addresses the complete lack of guardrails among any cliff/sudden drop, of which there seem to be many.


That was the Empire's greatest evil. OSHA violations.
 
2021-01-13 10:55:02 PM  
Okay, we have the Republic/Old Republic.  There's the New Republic.  There's the Galactic Empire, the Imperial Remnant (which is a crappy name that makes me think of the Bolshevik/Menshevik scheme).  Thrawn had his Empire of the Hand, or whatever.

What the heck is a High Republic?  Is this some nation above the galactic plain?
 
2021-01-13 10:58:49 PM  

kyleaugustus: Okay, we have the Republic/Old Republic.  There's the New Republic.  There's the Galactic Empire, the Imperial Remnant (which is a crappy name that makes me think of the Bolshevik/Menshevik scheme).  Thrawn had his Empire of the Hand, or whatever.

What the heck is a High Republic?  Is this some nation above the galactic plain?


It's like a normal Republic, but with a lot of drugs.
 
2021-01-13 11:04:49 PM  
Blaming toxic fandom before release. Sounds like they got a stinker on their hands. Not bad enough for overblown sexism or anti-semitism allegations though, so I might check it out.
 
2021-01-13 11:10:52 PM  

grumpfuff: kyleaugustus: Okay, we have the Republic/Old Republic.  There's the New Republic.  There's the Galactic Empire, the Imperial Remnant (which is a crappy name that makes me think of the Bolshevik/Menshevik scheme).  Thrawn had his Empire of the Hand, or whatever.

What the heck is a High Republic?  Is this some nation above the galactic plain?

It's like a normal Republic, but with a lot of drugs.


It's when Obi Wan tried to get off the junk but kept on hallucinating young padawan learners on the ceiling.

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2021-01-13 11:12:50 PM  

Champion of the Sun: Blaming toxic fandom before release. Sounds like they got a stinker on their hands. Not bad enough for overblown sexism or anti-semitism allegations though, so I might check it out.


Yeah. Isn't it a bit early to already start tossing around blame for why your property isn't doing great? The Mandolorian has been out a while, the 2nd season just ended, it was already popular... so what if the season 2 finale got people hyped? If it's a good show that people like, then it's a good show that people like. If you put out another piece of good content then people can like that too.

Heck, it's certainly not like Disney is only going to ever have one piece of Star Wars media out at any given time.
 
2021-01-13 11:12:56 PM  

grumpfuff: kyleaugustus: Okay, we have the Republic/Old Republic.  There's the New Republic.  There's the Galactic Empire, the Imperial Remnant (which is a crappy name that makes me think of the Bolshevik/Menshevik scheme).  Thrawn had his Empire of the Hand, or whatever.

What the heck is a High Republic?  Is this some nation above the galactic plain?

It's like a normal Republic, but with a lot of drugs.


Finally! More stories about glitterstim!
 
2021-01-13 11:21:26 PM  
It is a period of civil war.

Favreau shows, striking

with an enthralled fanbase,

have won their first victory

against the evil LucasFilm

Story Group ...

 
2021-01-13 11:44:38 PM  
And Favreau is in charge of the only Star Wars fans seem to care about. There are no consultations with Lucasfilm needed in the future - he and Filoni are in the driver's seat.

Filoni is responsible for the best SW stuff of the last 15 years.  He's should be the Feige of SW.
 
2021-01-13 11:49:51 PM  
Wait, someone's actually in charge of that trainwreck?
 
2021-01-13 11:50:12 PM  

Champion of the Sun: Blaming toxic fandom before release. Sounds like they got a stinker on their hands. Not bad enough for overblown sexism or anti-semitism allegations though, so I might check it out.


They've got their heads rammed up their own backsides, convinced that they're making high art, serious important art that should be regarded with almost religious divinity. Are you not in awe of them and their magnificent design?

Well, no. Because it turns out that what people want is popcorn entertainment that still remembers how cool and fun space opera can be. A little grungy and rough around the edges. Doesn't take itself too seriously. Knows how and when to be kick-ass.

It's the ages old problem: high art vs crap that sells. And the crap that sells is what people are buying.

Disney seems to be following the money. In this case that's no bad thing.
 
2021-01-13 11:55:05 PM  
This is high level bullshiat made up by shiatty YouTubers desperate for clicks.  One of them is named "Doomcock" and wears a Dr Doom mask for christ sake. The other one is Grace Randolph, the same lady who made up the rumor that Pedro Pascal walked off the set of The Mandalorian.  Stop giving these people the time of day.  It's like greenlighting a panhandler ranting about the end of days on a street corner.

The Story Group doesn't develop stories, they only help maintain and drive continuity.  Pablo Hidalgo, one of the lead story group guys is literally writing a reference book for The Mandalorian.  Half of these guys have been working with Dave since he started at Lucasfilm.

And Light of the Jedi (the first High Republic book) is #1 on the NYT, so I wouldn't get all excited that Mando is the only thing Star Wars fans care about.
 
2021-01-13 11:58:41 PM  

kyleaugustus: Okay, we have the Republic/Old Republic.  There's the New Republic.  There's the Galactic Empire, the Imperial Remnant (which is a crappy name that makes me think of the Bolshevik/Menshevik scheme).  Thrawn had his Empire of the Hand, or whatever.

What the heck is a High Republic?  Is this some nation above the galactic plain?


If you're actually interested, the High Republic is just an era of the Galactic Republic where everything was sunshines and rainbows.  Like the way people think about post WW2 america (minus the cold war and horrific racism).
 
2021-01-14 12:31:41 AM  
Oh sure, because Filoni should have told several hundred other people about this so they could make changes in other properties.

Yes, they'd all keep the surprise, right?
 
2021-01-14 1:00:43 AM  
"maintains canon"

Pffft. Fanboys who think anyone should care about "cAnOn" can f*ck right off.


/given the other series coming out, I'd think the Mandalorian guys would be the first ones hoping Mando isn't the only thing the fans care about
 
2021-01-14 1:59:12 AM  

grumpfuff: kyleaugustus: Okay, we have the Republic/Old Republic.  There's the New Republic.  There's the Galactic Empire, the Imperial Remnant (which is a crappy name that makes me think of the Bolshevik/Menshevik scheme).  Thrawn had his Empire of the Hand, or whatever.

What the heck is a High Republic?  Is this some nation above the galactic plain?

It's like a normal Republic, but with a lot of drugs.


Pre-pre-prequel. Yeah, I give up as well.
 
2021-01-14 2:42:56 AM  
So what was their new storyline? The Gungans created "Life Day" and a splinter group of Ewoks wanted to stop it because it spreads cheer and happiness throughout the galaxy?
 
2021-01-14 3:39:48 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: "maintains canon"

Pffft. Fanboys who think anyone should care about "cAnOn" can f*ck right off.


/given the other series coming out, I'd think the Mandalorian guys would be the first ones hoping Mando isn't the only thing the fans care about


Some degree of canon needs to be maintained though. If everyone just goes running around doing whatever, then the entire property will turn in a huge mess. The consequences of that being that people will no longer know what they can expect from the story, they won't know according to which rules the galaxy works, or even which people should or should not be in it.

You cannot make a movie about Fred, the best friend of Luke Skywalker who was always at his side since Luke was 8. Why? Because according to all previous media Fred does not exist. The same goes for stuff like the hyperspace ramming that happened in The Last Jedi. That should never have happened because it opens up huge cans of worms going both forward and backwards.
 
2021-01-14 4:40:58 AM  
Not really subs. Mando is mostly garbage.

/Got any more of them fetch quests?
//You help me, I help you
///Yeah this shiat unbelievably good.... Not
 
2021-01-14 4:46:34 AM  
Insisting The Mandalorian is good is on par with insisting the election is rigged.

Minus the consequences.

The delusions tho.. They're the same.
 
2021-01-14 5:43:35 AM  
I accept this as 100% true, because no one ever just goes on the internet and lies. Especially about Star Wars.
 
2021-01-14 5:53:12 AM  

Drearyx: Not really subs. Mando is mostly garbage.

/Got any more of them fetch quests?
//You help me, I help you
///Yeah this shiat unbelievably good.... Not


Your irrelevant opinion has no bearing on a show's actual popularity. So sorry it bothers you when people like what you don't.
 
2021-01-14 6:25:03 AM  

Drearyx: Insisting The Mandalorian is good is on par with insisting the election is rigged.

Minus the consequences.

The delusions tho.. They're the same.


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2021-01-14 7:31:30 AM  
I am sick to high Hell of Jedis.
Loved the originals.
Hated the Prequels (Jedi....Jedi as far as the eye can see)
Sequels still Jedi focused but not half as bad as the Prequels.
Most comics:  Jedi
Clone Wars: a LOT of Jedi
Rebels:  although I did love it, started off excited because no Jedi.  Then..... Jedi.
Mandalorian:  Fantastic!  Love it.  Oh.  Jedi. OH!  MAIN Jedi.  Again.

Now High Republic?  More ALL Jedi.

I really would love a non-Jedi Star Wars universe story.
 
2021-01-14 7:41:39 AM  

buntz: I am sick to high Hell of Jedis.
Loved the originals.
Hated the Prequels (Jedi....Jedi as far as the eye can see)
Sequels still Jedi focused but not half as bad as the Prequels.
Most comics:  Jedi
Clone Wars: a LOT of Jedi
Rebels:  although I did love it, started off excited because no Jedi.  Then..... Jedi.
Mandalorian:  Fantastic!  Love it.  Oh.  Jedi. OH!  MAIN Jedi.  Again.

Now High Republic?  More ALL Jedi.

I really would love a non-Jedi Star Wars universe story.


Is "Jedi" a stand-in for "force users", or really just the Jedi?
 
2021-01-14 7:46:31 AM  

buntz: I am sick to high Hell of Jedis.
Loved the originals.
Hated the Prequels (Jedi....Jedi as far as the eye can see)
Sequels still Jedi focused but not half as bad as the Prequels.
Most comics:  Jedi
Clone Wars: a LOT of Jedi
Rebels:  although I did love it, started off excited because no Jedi.  Then..... Jedi.
Mandalorian:  Fantastic!  Love it.  Oh.  Jedi. OH!  MAIN Jedi.  Again.

Now High Republic?  More ALL Jedi.

I really would love a non-Jedi Star Wars universe story.


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2021-01-14 8:00:48 AM  

DerAppie: Is "Jedi" a stand-in for "force users", or really just the Jedi?


Yeah, I just meant "The Force".  I'm sick of The Force.  I was ok with The Mandalorian but then they pulled it all back in to the Skywalker Saga.

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2021-01-14 8:02:42 AM  

buntz: DerAppie: Is "Jedi" a stand-in for "force users", or really just the Jedi?

Yeah, I just meant "The Force".  I'm sick of The Force.  I was ok with The Mandalorian but then they pulled it all back in to the Skywalker Saga.

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But really, let's be honest here:

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Oh ok

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2021-01-14 8:12:54 AM  

DerAppie: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: "maintains canon"

Pffft. Fanboys who think anyone should care about "cAnOn" can f*ck right off.


/given the other series coming out, I'd think the Mandalorian guys would be the first ones hoping Mando isn't the only thing the fans care about

Some degree of canon needs to be maintained though. If everyone just goes running around doing whatever, then the entire property will turn in a huge mess. The consequences of that being that people will no longer know what they can expect from the story, they won't know according to which rules the galaxy works, or even which people should or should not be in it.

You cannot make a movie about Fred, the best friend of Luke Skywalker who was always at his side since Luke was 8. Why? Because according to all previous media Fred does not exist. The same goes for stuff like the hyperspace ramming that happened in The Last Jedi. That should never have happened because it opens up huge cans of worms going both forward and backwards.


From here is looks like it's already a huge mess. Why care when some Disney exec tells you which parts of that mess "should" be there and which you should write off? (These are the same people telling you that the hyperspace ramming *IS* canon, by the way. The ones who spend billions on a movie trilogy that they can't even be bothered to plan in advance.)

I'm not saying I don't want Star Wars to be recognizably Star Wars, I'm just saying that once a SW story gets made it goes in the same pile as all the rest. If I read or watch a story that involves entertaining rules, characters or expectations, and someone says "that's not CaNoN (anymore)"... I have no farks to give about that.
 
2021-01-14 8:23:22 AM  

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I never actually did watch Firefly.  I've been hearing about it forever on Fark.  It's only one season, right?  Might as well binge it soon.

But in all seriousness, I DO love Star Wars.  Have since I was a kid.  I just think there are a LOT of stories they COULD tell that don't involve the Force or Jedi.  And I loved the Mandalorian, in spite of the Grogu force use.
It was just a western set in the Star Wars universe.  And then they said "Suddenly Skywalker!"
I'm optimistic about Book of Boba Fett but hope it doesn't involve him chasing down the Rebellion looking for revenge against Han and Luke.

I've also watched all Star Trek (minus DS9, just can not get into it), just finished season one of Picard and even currently re-watching season one of Discovery.  Discovery, I think more than any other show in the past, have turned Vulcans into these magic creatures, like Jedi.  I know they were always "mystical" but Discovery took it to a new level with them reaching out over time and space and pulling each other into their minds and freezing time and yada yada yada.  Then Picard did it too.  And it's like "Can we have Trek where it's just people exploring and fighting bad guys and whatever and not constantly bring it back to the Vulcan space wizards?"
 
2021-01-14 8:28:42 AM  

DerAppie: You cannot make a movie about Fred, the best friend of Luke Skywalker who was always at his side since Luke was 8. Why? Because according to all previous media Fred does not exist.


Which is Star Trek's problem now.  They keep making prequel after prequel adding more and more characters and technology that you never see or heard of in any of the previous, LATER, Star Trek stories.

Spock keeps getting brothers and sisters!

And I can suspend disbelief in terms of effects.  I can believe the original series really did look like Discovery or the reboots or even Enterprise, but they just didn't have the budget or technology in the 60s.  But it was SUPPOSED to look like it does today.  So I don't question the look of it.
I question using advanced technology in the prequel shows that didn't exist in the later shows
 
2021-01-14 8:31:45 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: DerAppie: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: "maintains canon"

Pffft. Fanboys who think anyone should care about "cAnOn" can f*ck right off.


/given the other series coming out, I'd think the Mandalorian guys would be the first ones hoping Mando isn't the only thing the fans care about

Some degree of canon needs to be maintained though. If everyone just goes running around doing whatever, then the entire property will turn in a huge mess. The consequences of that being that people will no longer know what they can expect from the story, they won't know according to which rules the galaxy works, or even which people should or should not be in it.

You cannot make a movie about Fred, the best friend of Luke Skywalker who was always at his side since Luke was 8. Why? Because according to all previous media Fred does not exist. The same goes for stuff like the hyperspace ramming that happened in The Last Jedi. That should never have happened because it opens up huge cans of worms going both forward and backwards.

From here is looks like it's already a huge mess. Why care when some Disney exec tells you which parts of that mess "should" be there and which you should write off? (These are the same people telling you that the hyperspace ramming *IS* canon, by the way. The ones who spend billions on a movie trilogy that they can't even be bothered to plan in advance.)

I'm not saying I don't want Star Wars to be recognizably Star Wars, I'm just saying that once a SW story gets made it goes in the same pile as all the rest. If I read or watch a story that involves entertaining rules, characters or expectations, and someone says "that's not CaNoN (anymore)"... I have no farks to give about that.


I admit that it is very easy to show the people who maintain the canon aren't making a good job of it.

That the group exists however, makes complete sense. Disney shouldn't give full creative freedom to new writers in an established universe. They need to work with the confines created by what has already been shown.

Some rando on the internet saying what is, and isn't, canon can usually safely be ignored though.

/Mind that I said hyperspace ramming was a bad idea (should never have happened)
//Not that it wasn't canon (never happened)
 
2021-01-14 8:36:17 AM  

buntz: DerAppie: You cannot make a movie about Fred, the best friend of Luke Skywalker who was always at his side since Luke was 8. Why? Because according to all previous media Fred does not exist.

Which is Star Trek's problem now.  They keep making prequel after prequel adding more and more characters and technology that you never see or heard of in any of the previous, LATER, Star Trek stories.

Spock keeps getting brothers and sisters!

And I can suspend disbelief in terms of effects.  I can believe the original series really did look like Discovery or the reboots or even Enterprise, but they just didn't have the budget or technology in the 60s.  But it was SUPPOSED to look like it does today.  So I don't question the look of it.
I question using advanced technology in the prequel shows that didn't exist in the later shows


Agreed, that's been my problem.  Unless all that new tech turned out to be asbestos why did they stop using it?
 
2021-01-14 8:36:26 AM  

buntz: DerAppie: Is "Jedi" a stand-in for "force users", or really just the Jedi?

Yeah, I just meant "The Force".  I'm sick of The Force.  I was ok with The Mandalorian but then they pulled it all back in to the Skywalker Saga.


Then you probably just don't like Star Wars. The Force is the unique selling point of the franchise.

As for the Skywalker Saga, yeah. It does make the universe so incredibly small when all of it revolves around that small group of people.

/Though I would argue that wasn't a problem for the OT as that was literally the journey of Luke Skywalker
//It showed how he became relevant
///The other trilogies showing how his family has always been relevant and always will be relevant to every major upheaval in the galaxy is just getting silly
 
2021-01-14 8:38:30 AM  

DerAppie: Then you probably just don't like Star Wars


Yeah, that's probably it
 
2021-01-14 8:39:03 AM  

DerAppie: buntz: DerAppie: Is "Jedi" a stand-in for "force users", or really just the Jedi?

Yeah, I just meant "The Force".  I'm sick of The Force.  I was ok with The Mandalorian but then they pulled it all back in to the Skywalker Saga.

Then you probably just don't like Star Wars. The Force is the unique selling point of the franchise.

As for the Skywalker Saga, yeah. It does make the universe so incredibly small when all of it revolves around that small group of people.

/Though I would argue that wasn't a problem for the OT as that was literally the journey of Luke Skywalker
//It showed how he became relevant
///The other trilogies showing how his family has always been relevant and always will be relevant to every major upheaval in the galaxy is just getting silly


Well, they won't be relevant past TROS, they're all dead.
 
2021-01-14 8:39:54 AM  
These idiots sound like the Republicans in DC right now.

Sure, the Mandalorian is to blame for everything bad. Sure.

They should be riding a renewed, refreshed fandom, but instead are grousing about The Mandalorian stealing their thunder? What a bunch of babies.

I enjoy all Star Wars. For me, the problem with High Republic is it looks like more Young Adult Book crap. Is that what it is?

Honestly, I'm sad at the dearth of Star Wars books lately. The EU sucked in some ways, but at least they pumped out a lot of material.
 
2021-01-14 8:48:50 AM  

Callous: DerAppie: buntz: DerAppie: Is "Jedi" a stand-in for "force users", or really just the Jedi?

Yeah, I just meant "The Force".  I'm sick of The Force.  I was ok with The Mandalorian but then they pulled it all back in to the Skywalker Saga.

Then you probably just don't like Star Wars. The Force is the unique selling point of the franchise.

As for the Skywalker Saga, yeah. It does make the universe so incredibly small when all of it revolves around that small group of people.

/Though I would argue that wasn't a problem for the OT as that was literally the journey of Luke Skywalker
//It showed how he became relevant
///The other trilogies showing how his family has always been relevant and always will be relevant to every major upheaval in the galaxy is just getting silly

Well, they won't be relevant past TROS, they're all dead.


Except that Rey adopted the name Skywalker.

While she isn't a direct part of the family, we're still going on with some form of Skywalker influencing all the events everywhere. Disney will never let that name go because of the nostalgia it creates. Well, never let it go until they completely killed interest in anything to do with Skywalkers.

Like Terminator, they used "I'll be back" so often in all the movies that it isn't a cool line anymore. My reaction now is just "sure, okay", even when watching the original.
 
2021-01-14 8:54:26 AM  
Just to clarify:

Every major Star Wars movie going forward will involve a person named Skywalker, who can be traced very easily, to that little slave boy from Tatooine (child of/trained by/adopted by/turned out to actually be) . And they will be the ones saving the universe. No one else. Just people from that line.

Because new characters without Instant Backstory are scary because they might fail.
 
2021-01-14 9:04:35 AM  

DerAppie: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: DerAppie: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: "maintains canon"

Pffft. Fanboys who think anyone should care about "cAnOn" can f*ck right off.


/given the other series coming out, I'd think the Mandalorian guys would be the first ones hoping Mando isn't the only thing the fans care about

Some degree of canon needs to be maintained though. If everyone just goes running around doing whatever, then the entire property will turn in a huge mess. The consequences of that being that people will no longer know what they can expect from the story, they won't know according to which rules the galaxy works, or even which people should or should not be in it.

You cannot make a movie about Fred, the best friend of Luke Skywalker who was always at his side since Luke was 8. Why? Because according to all previous media Fred does not exist. The same goes for stuff like the hyperspace ramming that happened in The Last Jedi. That should never have happened because it opens up huge cans of worms going both forward and backwards.

From here is looks like it's already a huge mess. Why care when some Disney exec tells you which parts of that mess "should" be there and which you should write off? (These are the same people telling you that the hyperspace ramming *IS* canon, by the way. The ones who spend billions on a movie trilogy that they can't even be bothered to plan in advance.)

I'm not saying I don't want Star Wars to be recognizably Star Wars, I'm just saying that once a SW story gets made it goes in the same pile as all the rest. If I read or watch a story that involves entertaining rules, characters or expectations, and someone says "that's not CaNoN (anymore)"... I have no farks to give about that.

I admit that it is very easy to show the people who maintain the canon aren't making a good job of it.

That the group exists however, makes complete sense. Disney shouldn't give full creative freedom to new writers in an established universe. They need to work with th ...


Well, yes, if I were hired by Disney to do a SW movie I would expect them to have a game plan for the franchise and guidelines for me to follow regarding the existing elements. More than they apparently do, in fact. But I don't work for Disney so I am not paid to give a fark what they have to say about that.

SW is fiction. If a SW story is published then it "happened" just as much as any other SW story. How Disney labels it afterward is irrelevant.
 
2021-01-14 9:27:10 AM  
"And in all likelihood, that means the Kathleen Kennedy camp for Star Wars' direction is going to be more bitter as time goes on. "

Who cares? They can't make good Star Wars.

"keeping Luke Skywalker a secret from almost everyone at Lucasfilm has sent a message loud and clear. Favreau is in charge of The Mandalorian and every spin-off series and film that comes from it. And Favreau is in charge of the only Star Wars fans seem to care about. There are no consultations with Lucasfilm needed in the future - he and Filoni are in the driver's seat."

And if that brings in the bacon and keeps fans happy then who cares? Maybe they should take over in Lucasfilm instead of whoever is there now making crap stories.
 
2021-01-14 10:02:45 AM  

LesserEvil: These idiots sound like the Republicans in DC right now.

Sure, the Mandalorian is to blame for everything bad. Sure.

They should be riding a renewed, refreshed fandom, but instead are grousing about The Mandalorian stealing their thunder? What a bunch of babies.

I enjoy all Star Wars. For me, the problem with High Republic is it looks like more Young Adult Book crap. Is that what it is?

Honestly, I'm sad at the dearth of Star Wars books lately. The EU sucked in some ways, but at least they pumped out a lot of material.


Just to be clear again everything in that article is totally made up.   Just as a quick example, it mentions that THR is underperforming.  Light of the Jedi was #1 on NYT Best seller, A Test of Courage was #2 (for kids).  The first THR comic pre-sold over 200,000 copies (which is a lot).  By every measure, it's been a resounding success, probably more than Lucasfilm expected since less than 10 Star Wars books in history have ever held the #1 spot.

As for YA?  The answer is yes and no.  Light of the Jedi is an adult novel and has the feel of any other adult Star Wars novel.  There's actually almost zero romance in it.  All the main characters except 1 is over the age of 20.  It's a story about the Jedi Order vs bad guys who are not the Sith.  That said, there are Young Adult novels planned for this initiative.  The first one is called Into the Dark and comes out in February.  But to be honest, I'd be hard pressed for find significant differences between Adult and YA Star Wars novels outside the general age of the characters.  One of the most well regarded Star Wars novels in the last decade (Lost Stars) is a YA novel.
 
2021-01-14 10:47:48 AM  
If they wanted to be as successful as the Mandalorian then they should have released a show, they are releasing a bunch of books and comics which are always secondary material since most fans won't bother. It also doesn't help that I had literally no idea the first book had already come out, for a supposedly big even they have done rather little to advertise it.
 
2021-01-14 11:24:02 AM  

Anenu: If they wanted to be as successful as the Mandalorian then they should have released a show...


Good news!  They are. There is a High Republic era show called The Acolytecurrently in the planning stages with Leslye Headland as the show runner.
 
2021-01-14 11:38:59 AM  

buntz: DerAppie: Then you probably just don't like Star Wars

Yeah, that's probably it


You're liking it wrong, then.
 
2021-01-14 11:43:11 AM  

YodaTuna: Anenu: If they wanted to be as successful as the Mandalorian then they should have released a show...

Good news!  They are. There is a High Republic era show called The Acolytecurrently in the planning stages with Leslye Headland as the show runner.


Cool, I will probably watch it when it comes out in a year or two.
 
2021-01-14 11:54:20 AM  
The problem has always been too much Jedi.  Mando and Rogue one were fantastic because said figured were largely absent.

Rebels worked, as did the original trilogy, because they let non jedi have their time in the sun as well.
 
2021-01-14 12:02:23 PM  

johnny_vegas: buntz: DerAppie: Is "Jedi" a stand-in for "force users", or really just the Jedi?

Yeah, I just meant "The Force".  I'm sick of The Force.  I was ok with The Mandalorian but then they pulled it all back in to the Skywalker Saga.

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But really, let's be honest here:

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Vulcans are Trek Jedi, without the swords

Oh ok

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2021-01-14 12:35:43 PM  
You know what I think is neat?  Back 15 years ago, "the Fandom" declared that the Prequels were abominations that should be erased, and that George Lucas killed their childhoods... did you SEE those HILARIOUS Plinkett videos?  Call the Burn Unit!

....but a whole generation of kids didn't listen to any of it, and they loved the movies, and they loved The Clone Wars even more.  And now they're looking forward to The Bad Batch and the Obi-wan Kenobi series, both of which are Prequel-era in a way.

Now the Fandom is older, fatter, and angrier, and they're being duped by YouTube shills into thinking that Rey Skywalker and the Sequels are somehow going to be erased.  Which will never happen, of course.  Heck, there are even haters out there who scream and rail against The Mandalorian, because it.... ruined Boba Fett's character?  Because it's not disavowing the Sequels?

In the end, the kids win.  Star Wars wins.  The Fandom Menace always loses.
 
2021-01-14 12:36:08 PM  

Copperbelly watersnake: johnny_vegas: buntz: DerAppie: Is "Jedi" a stand-in for "force users", or really just the Jedi?

Yeah, I just meant "The Force".  I'm sick of The Force.  I was ok with The Mandalorian but then they pulled it all back in to the Skywalker Saga.

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It's almost like the series and movie were different things and had different things happen in them
 
2021-01-14 1:42:40 PM  

Drearyx: Not really subs. Mando is mostly garbage.

/Got any more of them fetch quests?
//You help me, I help you
///Yeah this shiat unbelievably good.... Not


Some Galaxy's edge right there.
 
2021-01-14 1:53:15 PM  

buntz: DerAppie: You cannot make a movie about Fred, the best friend of Luke Skywalker who was always at his side since Luke was 8. Why? Because according to all previous media Fred does not exist.

Which is Star Trek's problem now.  They keep making prequel after prequel adding more and more characters and technology that you never see or heard of in any of the previous, LATER, Star Trek stories.

Spock keeps getting brothers and sisters!

And I can suspend disbelief in terms of effects.  I can believe the original series really did look like Discovery or the reboots or even Enterprise, but they just didn't have the budget or technology in the 60s.  But it was SUPPOSED to look like it does today.  So I don't question the look of it.
I question using advanced technology in the prequel shows that didn't exist in the later shows


Exactly. Visuals can change a lot, that is relatively trivial as long as they keep the major themes in the visuals the same. But where is the instant warp tech from Discovery? Where are the teleport technologies that can beam someone to a ship at warp? Where is the interplanetary beaming? Where is the farking superblood that reverses death? It is almost as if they wanted cool visuals and consequences that could be undone with a mcguffin without considering any of the consequences of the mcguffin.

/I also accept that the 8-bit Mario and the later versions are all the same person
 
2021-01-14 3:17:39 PM  

Socrofece: You know what I think is neat?  Back 15 years ago, "the Fandom" declared that the Prequels were abominations that should be erased, and that George Lucas killed their childhoods... did you SEE those HILARIOUS Plinkett videos?  Call the Burn Unit!

....but a whole generation of kids didn't listen to any of it, and they loved the movies, and they loved The Clone Wars even more.  And now they're looking forward to The Bad Batch and the Obi-wan Kenobi series, both of which are Prequel-era in a way.


Honestly, I wasn't a fan of the prequels when they came out (5th-11th grade, I believe) but as I've gotten older, I appreciate them more. The worst part about them (Anakin) was supposed to be the worst part. The new trilogy just seems more like copycats of the original trilogy than the prequels were. I can excuse some copycat work, but the sequels were just sooooo badly done that you couldn't hide the fact they were blatant rewrites of the first trilogy.
 
2021-01-14 4:02:51 PM  
Dear High Republic People

You want to know what will get me interested in buying your books?

NOT THIS:
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Love, D-A-M
 
2021-01-14 4:05:13 PM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Dear High Republic People

You want to know what will get me interested in buying your books?

NOT THIS:
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Love, D-A-M


...It's a book written for 8 to 12 year olds.  Star Wars has been printing books in that vein for decades.
 
2021-01-14 4:17:25 PM  

YodaTuna: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Dear High Republic People

You want to know what will get me interested in buying your books?

NOT THIS:
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Love, D-A-M

...It's a book written for 8 to 12 year olds.  Star Wars has been printing books in that vein for decades.


That's the point. Mando is bringing back the old school fans, while also attracting every other age group. And then you have the people writing YA stories b*tching that their books aren't bringing in the fanbase they expected.
 
2021-01-14 4:32:45 PM  

somedude210: but as I've gotten older, I appreciate them more.


I've caught parts again on TBS in recent years.  In my opinion they've only gotten worse over time.


somedude210: The worst part about them (Anakin) was supposed to be the worst part.


Are you saying he was supposed to be "the worst" because it was meant to show his descent to the dark side?  That idea alone is very compelling.  However it's the poor depiction of it across the three films why many think his character was the worst.
 
2021-01-14 4:53:43 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: somedude210: but as I've gotten older, I appreciate them more.

I've caught parts again on TBS in recent years.  In my opinion they've only gotten worse over time.


somedude210: The worst part about them (Anakin) was supposed to be the worst part.

Are you saying he was supposed to be "the worst" because it was meant to show his descent to the dark side?  That idea alone is very compelling.  However it's the poor depiction of it across the three films why many think his character was the worst.


Well, the fact that he was supposed to be a whiny entitled teenager. He nailed that part.

But like the Solo movie, it depicts how the person became what we remember in the original trilogy. For Vader, he had to be a whiny teen who thought he was better than everyone and therefore should be in charge. For Solo, he needed to be the optimistic, hopeful youth before becoming a smuggler and learning that the wider universe is just as shiatty as Corellia.

From character development, both are needed to tell the story of how they became who we know and love.

As for the prequels, eh, they're easier to lose yourself in than the sequels. To me, what irked me the most about the sequels was the goddamn Emperor showing up. And they didn't even use the *good* EU option they had open to them, that the Emperor, long ago, set up a storage of clones in case of his death. I mean, even the new bad guys are awful. You had a perfect Remnant from the EU. If the Rogue Squadron series is still canon (and I hope it is, it is the best damn EU series), you had the head of the ISB (empire CIA) take over, and she was the perfect "cold-hearted biatch" villain that *wasn't* an old, pretentious, British white guy Moff or a freaking Jedi.
 
2021-01-14 4:56:44 PM  

somedude210: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: somedude210: but as I've gotten older, I appreciate them more.

I've caught parts again on TBS in recent years.  In my opinion they've only gotten worse over time.


somedude210: The worst part about them (Anakin) was supposed to be the worst part.

Are you saying he was supposed to be "the worst" because it was meant to show his descent to the dark side?  That idea alone is very compelling.  However it's the poor depiction of it across the three films why many think his character was the worst.

Well, the fact that he was supposed to be a whiny entitled teenager. He nailed that part.

But like the Solo movie, it depicts how the person became what we remember in the original trilogy. For Vader, he had to be a whiny teen who thought he was better than everyone and therefore should be in charge. For Solo, he needed to be the optimistic, hopeful youth before becoming a smuggler and learning that the wider universe is just as shiatty as Corellia.

From character development, both are needed to tell the story of how they became who we know and love.

As for the prequels, eh, they're easier to lose yourself in than the sequels. To me, what irked me the most about the sequels was the goddamn Emperor showing up. And they didn't even use the *good* EU option they had open to them, that the Emperor, long ago, set up a storage of clones in case of his death. I mean, even the new bad guys are awful. You had a perfect Remnant from the EU. If the Rogue Squadron series is still canon (and I hope it is, it is the best damn EU series), you had the head of the ISB (empire CIA) take over, and she was the perfect "cold-hearted biatch" villain that *wasn't* an old, pretentious, British white guy Moff or a freaking Jedi.


I also like that they made Thrawn super official canon with his intro in Rebels and his upcoming villainy in the new movie.

But good God, the CGI version just doesn't do the original artist's depiction justice. He looks like an emaciated Smurf-Human
 
2021-01-14 5:09:53 PM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: YodaTuna: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Dear High Republic People

You want to know what will get me interested in buying your books?

NOT THIS:
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Love, D-A-M

...It's a book written for 8 to 12 year olds.  Star Wars has been printing books in that vein for decades.

That's the point. Mando is bringing back the old school fans, while also attracting every other age group. And then you have the people writing YA stories b*tching that their books aren't bringing in the fanbase they expected.


And my point is that the "b*tching" you're talking about never happened.  You're literally taking clickbait articles at face value.  I follow a number of these authors on Twitter and they've had nothing but praise for The Mandalorian and their THR books have been massively successful.

While you're sitting here posting about a Young Reader book that isn't even out yet, you're ignoring the already existing adult novel Light of the Jedi and the upcoming The Rising Storm (which releases the day after the book you posted).  THR is being aimed at every age group and what has been released so far has matched releases in the upper echelon in sales and reviews of Star Wars books.

You might as well get mad that this exists:
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2021-01-14 5:20:04 PM  

somedude210: set up a storage of clones in case of his death. I mean, even the new bad guys are awful. You had a perfect Remnant from the EU. If the Rogue Squadron series is still canon (and I hope it is, it is the best damn EU series), you had the head of the ISB (empire CIA) take over, and she was the perfect "cold-hearted biatch" villain that *wasn't* an old, pretentious, British white guy Moff or a freaking Jedi.


It's briefly mentioned in the movie, but the clone thing is basically exactly what happens.  The only difference between here and Dark Empire was the inability to create stable force sensitive clones to hold his spirit with only two known successes, the body we see him in and the half clone that was Rey's father.

Rogue Squadron books are not canon, however there is a Rogue Squadron movie coming out in 2023.  Who knows how much they will pull from the books.  Isard was basically a dumber, more erratic Thrawn.
 
2021-01-14 5:37:11 PM  

YodaTuna: somedude210: set up a storage of clones in case of his death. I mean, even the new bad guys are awful. You had a perfect Remnant from the EU. If the Rogue Squadron series is still canon (and I hope it is, it is the best damn EU series), you had the head of the ISB (empire CIA) take over, and she was the perfect "cold-hearted biatch" villain that *wasn't* an old, pretentious, British white guy Moff or a freaking Jedi.

It's briefly mentioned in the movie, but the clone thing is basically exactly what happens.  The only difference between here and Dark Empire was the inability to create stable force sensitive clones to hold his spirit with only two known successes, the body we see him in and the half clone that was Rey's father.

Rogue Squadron books are not canon, however there is a Rogue Squadron movie coming out in 2023.  Who knows how much they will pull from the books.  Isard was basically a dumber, more erratic Thrawn.


The fact that Rogue Squadron isn't canon (as well as the Dark Forces vg series) is a crime against good taste.
 
2021-01-14 9:53:21 PM  

grumpfuff: kyleaugustus: Okay, we have the Republic/Old Republic.  There's the New Republic.  There's the Galactic Empire, the Imperial Remnant (which is a crappy name that makes me think of the Bolshevik/Menshevik scheme).  Thrawn had his Empire of the Hand, or whatever.

What the heck is a High Republic?  Is this some nation above the galactic plain?

It's like a normal Republic, but with a lot of drugs.


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2021-01-15 12:10:51 AM  

bloobeary: Champion of the Sun: Blaming toxic fandom before release. Sounds like they got a stinker on their hands. Not bad enough for overblown sexism or anti-semitism allegations though, so I might check it out.

They've got their heads rammed up their own backsides, convinced that they're making high art, serious important art that should be regarded with almost religious divinity. Are you not in awe of them and their magnificent design?

Well, no. Because it turns out that what people want is popcorn entertainment that still remembers how cool and fun space opera can be. A little grungy and rough around the edges. Doesn't take itself too seriously. Knows how and when to be kick-ass.

It's the ages old problem: high art vs crap that sells. And the crap that sells is what people are buying.

Disney seems to be following the money. In this case that's no bad thing.


Andy Warhol's whole point was that the only difference between "high art" and "crap that sells" is the snobbery of the audience.

it's all art.  and whether it's good or not is in the eye of the beholder.

Favreau and team made a nice 2 season story that ended on a bit of nostalgia.  If there's no Season 3 and that team goes off to create another small story completely unrelated, I'd be happy with that.  Honestly kinda gladd to see Grogu leave as the whole "Bj and the Bear" bit was starting to wear and could only go bad.

I think the HR team is afraid that their property won't reach as large of an audience and is afraid they'll get cancelled if they dont put up Mandolorian numbers out of the gate.  I find their "lack of faith" in their product "disturbing".
 
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