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(Reuters)   Calabria district of Italy, where they make candelabra, starts mob trial against The 'Ndrangheta, the pasta makers. 3 judges recuse themselves because they've eaten pasta by candle light, been made offers they can't refuse   (reuters.com) divider line
    More: Scary, Mafia, Italy's largest-ever mafia trials, LAMEZIA TERME, Palermo, converted call-centre, fast-track trial, last time Italy, powerful mafia group  
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5 days ago  
Does the punishment have to fit the crime?

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5 days ago  
Yeah, this I find this "trial"  fascinating for some reason....
 
5 days ago  
Alex Gaudino Feat. Christal Waters - Destination Calabria
Youtube APtj3EvhfWA
 
5 days ago  
Great. Immediately after the first word in the headline I have nothing but a saxophone earworm.

/Whoop whoop, when you run come around
//Car I know you're the talk of the town, yeah
 
5 days ago  
About time the started taking out the trash.
 
5 days ago  
You have to be very courageous to testify at this trial or even to be a judge at it. This is a very violent mob enterprise that has killed many people, including justices of the peace and police officers. It'll be interesting to see what happens.
 
5 days ago  
How the hell did that headline get greenlighted?
 
5 days ago  
A bottle of red, a bottle of white...
 
5 days ago  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: [iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/APtj3Evh​fWA?autoplay=1&widget_referrer=https%3​A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&start=0&enablejsap​i=1&origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&​widgetid=1]


Quite possibly the greatest music video of all time.
 
5 days ago  
Guess he doesn't want to sleep with the fishes.
 
5 days ago  
more than 330 suspected mobsters and their associates

Damn, that's a lot of nicknames.
 
5 days ago  
So this is Italian Cthulhu stuff?
 
5 days ago  
Candlemass - Bewitched
Youtube -3uvf0cn0jo
 
5 days ago  
I think their font is pretty good.
 
5 days ago  

SBinRR: more than 330 suspected mobsters and their associates

Damn, that's a lot of nicknames.


After a while, they have to recycle the common descriptors like "fat", "the fish", "white-shoes", and "nature boy".
 
5 days ago  

SBinRR: more than 330 suspected mobsters and their associates

Damn, that's a lot of nicknames.


By the time you are finished announcing the various lawyers and their clients at the start of the day, it will be time to close the hearing for the day.  

It will be difficult to find judges for this case.  Honest ones will want to shy away due to the potential looking over your shoulder for the rest of your life (which may not be long).  Corrupt ones will want to shy away as it will be difficult to accepts bribes as your going to be watched by law enforcement carefully so you will be unable to access the proceeds for a long time.
 
5 days ago  
/CSB on

Back in '95 when I went to college at NDSU, I had a group of friends that all played Magic the Gathering together in the student lounge (okay, not so cool after all). it was a running joke that whenever this song played, we'd all sing "my candelabra!!" because of the card Candelabra of Tawnos...I think I need to go beat myself up now. ;)

.CSB off

My Kinda Lover (Remastered)
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5 days ago  

Schmerd1948: You have to be very courageous to testify at this trial or even to be a judge at it. This is a very violent mob enterprise that has killed many people, including justices of the peace and police officers. It'll be interesting to see what happens.


Which is the absolute core of stupidity here. You wouldn't need to be brave if you just quietly executed the members of said enterprise that are threatening you.

Like firemen who stop wildfires by initiating controlled burns, you do the same with organized crime by burning the members.
 
5 days ago  
Is the calabrese okay?
 
5 days ago  

Claude Ballse: Schmerd1948: You have to be very courageous to testify at this trial or even to be a judge at it. This is a very violent mob enterprise that has killed many people, including justices of the peace and police officers. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

Which is the absolute core of stupidity here. You wouldn't need to be brave if you just quietly executed the members of said enterprise that are threatening you.

Like firemen who stop wildfires by initiating controlled burns, you do the same with organized crime by burning the members.


How do you do that without arrests and trials?  Unless you embrace extrajudicial killings of individuals, which has profound consequences for society and rule of law in general, you are forced to utilize the legal system to achieve the goal of holding them accountable.  I understand the point you are making and when society has been infiltrated and compromised it is understandable to think this way, but it may result in even a worse outcome.
 
5 days ago  

angryjd: How the hell did that headline get greenlighted?


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5 days ago  

angryjd: How the hell did that headline get greenlighted?


Read the last 6 words.
 
5 days ago  

Daedalus27: Claude Ballse: Schmerd1948: You have to be very courageous to testify at this trial or even to be a judge at it. This is a very violent mob enterprise that has killed many people, including justices of the peace and police officers. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

Which is the absolute core of stupidity here. You wouldn't need to be brave if you just quietly executed the members of said enterprise that are threatening you.

Like firemen who stop wildfires by initiating controlled burns, you do the same with organized crime by burning the members.

How do you do that without arrests and trials?  Unless you embrace extrajudicial killings of individuals, which has profound consequences for society and rule of law in general, you are forced to utilize the legal system to achieve the goal of holding them accountable.  I understand the point you are making and when society has been infiltrated and compromised it is understandable to think this way, but it may result in even a worse outcome.


2 things here:

1. This has effectively gone beyond a simple issue of crime within a society. You are essentially now at war with groups of people who are enemies of the state. I mean, come on now. We're talking about how these people don't just repeatedly violate the law, but murder indiscriminately. They're trying to override the laws as they are, and claim a greater power then the existing government. They're terrorists. This is going beyond mere capital punishment, let alone being an extrajudicial action. Face it: if Russia or China invaded America right now. You think we'd simply try and arrest every soldier one at a time, try them, and then deport them because they should be subject to our laws? No, you'd shore up defenses and kill those threats in order to protect the citizenry. So no, there is no worse outcome here. You already have the problem of organized crime creating an insurrection against the people.

The standards of law enforcement are effectively repealed for these criminals, along with the protections they provide to the guilty. Thus they are no longer criminals, but enemies of the state, and the rule of law remains protected because it has been recused from the situation since we are now dealing with an act of war.

2. You've already established a broken society, so what the hell else do you have to lose by neutralizing this threat?

Welcome to 2021.
 
5 days ago  

angryjd: How the hell did that headline get greenlighted?


I was coming in here to warn subby that s/he might be having a stroke, but I fear I'm among the people who just missed the reference.
 
5 days ago  

SBinRR: more than 330 suspected mobsters and their associates

Damn, that's a lot of nicknames.


But they're all named Antony or Petey
 
5 days ago  
Claude Ballse:

Italian Organized Crime in Italy or Qanon supporting Trump Loyalists?
 
5 days ago  
sinko swimo:

Pietro Antonio Sabato Jr
 
5 days ago  

Claude Ballse: Daedalus27: Claude Ballse: Schmerd1948: You have to be very courageous to testify at this trial or even to be a judge at it. This is a very violent mob enterprise that has killed many people, including justices of the peace and police officers. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

Which is the absolute core of stupidity here. You wouldn't need to be brave if you just quietly executed the members of said enterprise that are threatening you.

Like firemen who stop wildfires by initiating controlled burns, you do the same with organized crime by burning the members.

How do you do that without arrests and trials?  Unless you embrace extrajudicial killings of individuals, which has profound consequences for society and rule of law in general, you are forced to utilize the legal system to achieve the goal of holding them accountable.  I understand the point you are making and when society has been infiltrated and compromised it is understandable to think this way, but it may result in even a worse outcome.

2 things here:

1. This has effectively gone beyond a simple issue of crime within a society. You are essentially now at war with groups of people who are enemies of the state. I mean, come on now. We're talking about how these people don't just repeatedly violate the law, but murder indiscriminately. They're trying to override the laws as they are, and claim a greater power then the existing government. They're terrorists. This is going beyond mere capital punishment, let alone being an extrajudicial action. Face it: if Russia or China invaded America right now. You think we'd simply try and arrest every soldier one at a time, try them, and then deport them because they should be subject to our laws? No, you'd shore up defenses and kill those threats in order to protect the citizenry. So no, there is no worse outcome here. You already have the problem of organized crime creating an insurrection against the people.

The standards of law enforcement are effective ...


These are not foreign actors invading a nation. These are your own homemade criminals and citizens who have violated the states law and set up their own parallel state. Sending the military or having death squads "clean things up" is no way to reassert state authority and only corrupts the remainder of the state.  The Philippines and Mexico currently and Columbia in the 90s-2010s isn't exactly the best model to hold up. Italy is not a failed state, they certainly have issues, but they don't need to fight fire with fire.
 
4 days ago  

Daedalus27: Claude Ballse: Daedalus27: Claude Ballse: Schmerd1948: You have to be very courageous to testify at this trial or even to be a judge at it. This is a very violent mob enterprise that has killed many people, including justices of the peace and police officers. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

Which is the absolute core of stupidity here. You wouldn't need to be brave if you just quietly executed the members of said enterprise that are threatening you.

Like firemen who stop wildfires by initiating controlled burns, you do the same with organized crime by burning the members.

How do you do that without arrests and trials?  Unless you embrace extrajudicial killings of individuals, which has profound consequences for society and rule of law in general, you are forced to utilize the legal system to achieve the goal of holding them accountable.  I understand the point you are making and when society has been infiltrated and compromised it is understandable to think this way, but it may result in even a worse outcome.

2 things here:

1. This has effectively gone beyond a simple issue of crime within a society. You are essentially now at war with groups of people who are enemies of the state. I mean, come on now. We're talking about how these people don't just repeatedly violate the law, but murder indiscriminately. They're trying to override the laws as they are, and claim a greater power then the existing government. They're terrorists. This is going beyond mere capital punishment, let alone being an extrajudicial action. Face it: if Russia or China invaded America right now. You think we'd simply try and arrest every soldier one at a time, try them, and then deport them because they should be subject to our laws? No, you'd shore up defenses and kill those threats in order to protect the citizenry. So no, there is no worse outcome here. You already have the problem of organized crime creating an insurrection against the people.

The standards of law enforcement are effective ...

These are not foreign actors invading a nation. These are your own homemade criminals and citizens who have violated the states law and set up their own parallel state. Sending the military or having death squads "clean things up" is no way to reassert state authority and only corrupts the remainder of the state.  The Philippines and Mexico currently and Columbia in the 90s-2010s isn't exactly the best model to hold up. Italy is not a failed state, they certainly have issues, but they don't need to fight fire with fire.


Italy isn't a failed state...yet. But it sure as hell is heading that direction. Especially when you yourself admit that organized crime is creating its own parallel state to try and overpower the existing one. The main function of which is to place its own members above the law to erase equality among the citizenry. And now that you have a situation where the very foundation of a society has been essentially destroyed, that being the code of law itself, the state is now on life support.

The reason eradication efforts in places like Mexico have failed is because criminals simply pay better with their bribes. As the United States has done, initiate profit sharing among law enforcement to eradicate crime and the criminals. Let the military kill the criminals and keep the lions share of the spoils, and you'll clean things up real quick.
 
4 days ago  

Claude Ballse: Italy isn't a failed state...yet. But it sure as hell is heading that direction. Especially when you yourself admit that organized crime is creating its own parallel state to try and overpower the existing one.


Is that better or worse than an elected president doing it?
 
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