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2 days ago  
Track his DC movements and if needed give them to the FBI. If he's convicted of sedition or conspiracy, then they can eject him with due process. Give the crowd some credit, it was no doubt the first lecture from a distinguished professor or law school dean they ever bothered to attend, much less stay awake for.
 
2 days ago  
he didnt violate his contract with Chapman..

so.. unless the university wants to be sued....  they really cant do anything.

im sure future contracts will have this shiat spelled out.
 
2 days ago  
Wikipedia says "The university says that it is not Christian college, but has had a relationship with the Disciples of Christ since the university's founding and the United Church of Christ since 2011."

Sounds like a conservative college. The entry goes on to discuss a controversy around the display of posters for Birth of a Nation.
 
2 days ago  
"allowed for the termination of faculty members if they are found guilty of a felony or disbarred "

Sedition is a Felony, so

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2 days ago  
Nearest DC pockable jail cell w/a steel sh*tter and broken unfunctioning sink

/i hope you enjoy baloney sandwiches
//youre eating it for 6 days IN CONTEMPT
///SGT AT ARMS
 
2 days ago  
lockt*
 
2 days ago  
He should fired for the whackadoodle theories in his speech, not where, necessarily, he spoke them😅
 
2 days ago  

thisispete: Wikipedia says "The university says that it is not Christian college, but has had a relationship with the Disciples of Christ since the university's founding and the United Church of Christ since 2011."

Sounds like a conservative college. The entry goes on to discuss a controversy around the display of posters for Birth of a Nation.


Both of those are liberal Christian churches.  I used to work for a Disciples of Christ church and the amount of community good they did was astounding.  And they explicitly welcome the queer community--I was working for them when they voted to allow that.  Basically their entire church is democratically run.  It's really something.  I know UCC isn't far behind.
 
2 days ago  

RasIanI: He should fired for the whackadoodle theories in his speech, not where, necessarily, he spoke them😅


He should be fired for his poor attempt at Doctor Who cosplay.
 
2 days ago  
Chapman's dean didn't even sign on to a mass letter from 160+ law school deans condemning the insurrection.

And in my experience, that tells you everything you need to know about Chapman law school, tbh...
 
2 days ago  

thisispete: Wikipedia says "The university says that it is not Christian college, but has had a relationship with the Disciples of Christ since the university's founding and the United Church of Christ since 2011."

Sounds like a conservative college. The entry goes on to discuss a controversy around the display of posters for Birth of a Nation.


It's basically where rich kids go to buy the rest of a degree after they wash out of usc. Also their mediocre film school is where you go if you want to blow $160k on a degree to get a job as a production assistant for someone who went to afi or nyu or usc and a list of about 20 other schools.
 
2 days ago  
Chapman is a lousy law school. They're always sub-100 in the rankings. Their first time bar passage rates are abysmal; their all-time bar passage rates are mediocre. Their employment after graduation is likewise mediocre and you're pretty much limited to practice in CA unless you have connections elsewhere.
 
2 days ago  

HighlanderRPI: "allowed for the termination of faculty members if they are found guilty of a felony or disbarred "

Sedition is a Felony, so

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Yes, but he has to be found guilty before the university can actually fire him.

The university can make his experience so uncomfortable he might quit.  There are lots of ways a university can fark with a professor that are quite legal and uncontestable.  They would still have to pay his salary, but if he decides it is not worth it, he can leave.  Things like 8am classes only, and in really shiatty rooms.  Or being left of plum committees and put on scutwork ones.
 
2 days ago  

Scar4711: he didnt violate his contract with Chapman..

so.. unless the university wants to be sued....  they really cant do anything.

im sure future contracts will have this shiat spelled out.


According to TFA, he did and they can, they're just not going to because they don't want to.

Lisa Leitz, department chair of peace studies at Chapman and a lead author of the faculty letter, said in an interview that Eastman's "outright lies related to electoral fraud" amounted to a violation of academic integrity and professional misconduct, which can be grounds for disciplinary action, according to the faculty manual.
 
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RasIanI: He should fired for the whackadoodle theories in his speech, not where, necessarily, he spoke them😅


That is literally why tenure exists - so academics can espouse ideas that are considered whackadoodle without reprisal ass long as they keep the theories theories.
 
2 days ago  

HighlanderRPI: "allowed for the termination of faculty members if they are found guilty of a felony or disbarred "

Sedition is a Felony, so

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I'm pretty sure the California Bar Association was also contacted.
 
2 days ago  
Only a .edu would accept something as downright stupid as tenure.  I can't fathom that people who work for a living would ever be ok with worrying more about publishing than pupils.  But a tenured person is not working, only living off of tuition from people they don't give a damn about.
 
2 days ago  
He's got more plausible deniability than Trump. Fire him if he's charged with a crime, otherwise it's just sounding like a free speech crackdown.
 
2 days ago  
Trump is tenured professor at Trump University. Therefore Trump is President for life and ice cream is banned.

Wildcard, Limabeans!
 
2 days ago  
The new paywalls are more clever. In coito mode (you know, the one you use for porn) and no javascript don't work anymore.
 
2 days ago  
He only spoke at the rally, didn't commit any crimes.

The university contract probably explicitly allows faculty to do what they want speech-wise on their own time, when not claiming to represent the university.  This tends to be made very clear for reasons of exactly these kinds of disputes, so usually you know whether or not they can be removed within, like, a day of the incident.

If he's charged and convicted of something that'll obviously change the situation.
 
2 days ago  

RasIanI: He should fired for the whackadoodle theories in his speech, not where, necessarily, he spoke them😅


Don't forget his Newsweek article about VP Harris.

Anyone who doesn't understand that a person born in the US is a citizen doesn't need to be teaching law.
 
2 days ago  

phalamir: RasIanI: He should fired for the whackadoodle theories in his speech, not where, necessarily, he spoke them😅

That is literally why tenure exists - so academics can espouse ideas that are considered whackadoodle without reprisal ass long as they keep the theories theories.


Liberal and progressive professors are let go all the time, yet somehow we can't ever fire the racist, misogynistic assholes because of tenure.  Let's not pretend this isn't a biased system run by biased people.  It is, and the data backs that up.
 
2 days ago  
i guess that means --

Mike Pence is President 46
 
2 days ago  

phalamir: HighlanderRPI: "allowed for the termination of faculty members if they are found guilty of a felony or disbarred "

Sedition is a Felony, so

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Yes, but he has to be found guilty before the university can actually fire him.

The university can make his experience so uncomfortable he might quit.  There are lots of ways a university can fark with a professor that are quite legal and uncontestable.  They would still have to pay his salary, but if he decides it is not worth it, he can leave.  Things like 8am classes only, and in really shiatty rooms.  Or being left of plum committees and put on scutwork ones.


Seinfeld: George Costanza - "I'm in my office!"
Youtube aDNTR2UDNIg
 
2 days ago  

Scar4711: he didnt violate his contract with Chapman..

so.. unless the university wants to be sued....  they really cant do anything.

im sure future contracts will have this shiat spelled out.


A rider to not incite a mob to tear apart Congress?

Ah, yes, the standard Chapman clause.
 
2 days ago  
Well...

The New York Times reporting tonight:

John Eastman, the attorney who falsely told Trump that Pence could block the certification of Biden's win, is out at Chapman University, the school has announced, saying they "reached an agreement pursuant to which he will retire from Chapman, effective immediately."
 
2 days ago  
Students of the university should join in a class-action lawsuit against it and against Eastman for devaluing their degrees by association with this asshat.

Seriously.  As an employer, would this make me hesitate to hire a grad of the same school?  Yes.  That ain't fair, but it's reality.  Lord knows, we've had so many absolute scumbags matriculate from Yale that I can't take a Yale degree too seriously anymore -- and that's Yale.

Eastman could make Yale look a lot worse, if they'd hire him, which I doubt they would.
 
2 days ago  
I worked at a university for a few years.  If you want to see a bunch of bland, stuffy suits go all barbarian on you, just hint at messing with their tenure.
 
2 days ago  
He's the one who said Pence could overturn the election.

Didn't read the article. Overwhelmed.

The university should invoke the sanity clause.
 
2 days ago  
tell 9u11ian1 to start stuffing a suitcase full of unmarked nonsequential BENJAMINS
 
2 days ago  

austerity101: phalamir: RasIanI: He should fired for the whackadoodle theories in his speech, not where, necessarily, he spoke them😅

That is literally why tenure exists - so academics can espouse ideas that are considered whackadoodle without reprisal ass long as they keep the theories theories.

Liberal and progressive professors are let go all the time, yet somehow we can't ever fire the racist, misogynistic assholes because of tenure.  Let's not pretend this isn't a biased system run by biased people.  It is, and the data backs that up.


A note on that data is that the overwhelming majority of firing/reduction in status, etc. occurred among non-tenure track faculty, especially at state universities.

Universities, especially state universities, are always looking to trim budgets and contingent faculty are the most vulnerable. Being both contingent and controversial is a bad idea in any industry if you want to keep your job. Universities are no exception.
 
2 days ago  
I used to live blocks from this "college." This was a crappy little college in the 80s, barely getting by, but benefiting from a steady inflow of rich white kids from Orange County.

Imagine that you are a high school student in California, with 13 something great institutions in the Uni system, and another who knows how many in the state system, and you can get in-state tuition there. Why oh why would you pay the tuition to go to Chapman College? Their economics and liberal arts departments were pretty well indistinguishable from other private universities of the midwest.

So it became Chapman University at about the same time the Crystal Cathedral failed for the second or third time. OF COURSE they have a law school because, just as Liberty Baptist College became Liberty University, one of the main agendas of the right is to pump out barely qualified lawyers who can then be judges.

Ugh. The genesis of Chapman College mirrors that of Liberty University to a T. There are going to be more and more of these as universities across the US struggle.
 
2 days ago  

phalamir: RasIanI: He should fired for the whackadoodle theories in his speech, not where, necessarily, he spoke them😅

That is literally why tenure exists - so academics can espouse ideas that are considered whackadoodle without reprisal ass long as they keep the theories theories.



This isn't about theories or ideas, though. He made factual allegations of serious criminal behavior.

Making certain assumptions about the context, I could imagine remarks like this justifying a variety of repercussions:

/"They were unloading the ballots from that secret folder, matching them, matching them to the unvoted voter, and voilà, we have enough votes to barely get over the finish line," Eastman said at the Jan. 6 rally. "We saw it happen in real time last nightand it happened on Nov. 3rd as well."
 
2 days ago  
 
2 days ago  

Scar4711: and he's "resigning"
https://news.chapman.edu/2021/01/13/st​atement-from-the-office-of-the-preside​nt/


he's going to be cuffed and taken to a DC jail cell
 
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/tell epsteins mother
 
2 days ago  

Scar4711: and he's "resigning"
https://news.chapman.edu/2021/01/13/st​atement-from-the-office-of-the-preside​nt/


He's getting paid off to 'retire'
 
2 days ago  

tfresh: Scar4711: and he's "resigning"
https://news.chapman.edu/2021/01/13/st​atement-from-the-office-of-the-preside​nt/

He's getting paid off to 'retire'


Odds on Liberty U picking him up in the off-season?
 
2 days ago  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: tfresh: Scar4711: and he's "resigning"
https://news.chapman.edu/2021/01/13/st​atement-from-the-office-of-the-preside​nt/

He's getting paid off to 'retire'

Odds on Liberty U picking him up in the off-season?


Probably has a 1 or 2 year non compete clause in his,'retirement package'.
 
2 days ago  

tfresh: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: tfresh: Scar4711: and he's "resigning"
https://news.chapman.edu/2021/01/13/st​atement-from-the-office-of-the-preside​nt/

He's getting paid off to 'retire'

Odds on Liberty U picking him up in the off-season?

Probably has a 1 or 2 year non compete clause in his,'retirement package'.


Nah, they're in CA.
 
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