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2021-01-13 1:04:16 PM  
This is not news here on Fark. We beat these stories up week after week.

How can anyone claim to not understand what is happening?
 
2021-01-13 3:48:38 PM  
 
2021-01-13 5:07:39 PM  
Money quote:

"My mother, raising two kids with two different fathers by herself on a grand total of $120 a month in child support, put the burning crosses out with a garden hose and told their father, who said he doubted his sons had done such a thing despite the fact that they drove around town in a pickup truck planting Duke signs in public spaces and private lawns. An hour after she put them out, the crosses were aflame again.

Years later, I asked my mother why she thought the boys had done it, whether it was me stealing the Duke sign or something else. "They did it because they could," she told me. "They thought it was funny.""

These people were born unredeemable pieces of sh*t and they will go to their graves as unredeemable pieces of sh*t. They enjoy hurting others and they do it because they can and know as white scumbags, they will never suffer any consequences for their actions.

The best outcome would be if all of them show up on 1/20 and the Guardsmen are armed with M-60s with live ammunition. These people have been a drain on our nation, on our culture, and on our genetics since 1860.

The comments are golden too.

"It all comes down to: they thrive in violence against others and are incredibly, wildly racist. They hate a black man more than they love affordable health care, livable wage and accessible green grocery stores. I ran outta farks to give for any of them or their plights."

This is precisely correct. They hate Black people more than anything else. They cannot exist in a society without someone to look down upon and abuse. They will let themselves die, they will let their own children die rather than expand any programs that would help Black people equally. If you don't believe this, read "Dying of Whiteness" by Jonathan Metzl.

No number of hillbilly elegies by the ivory tower stuffed shirt out-of-touch pissants that seem to infest the writing staff of the New York Times and National Public Radio make any of this untrue. What the pissants don't understand is that they take what these bastards say at face value and don't understand the coded language being employed.

"Lazy people" = Black people or Mexican people
"Poor people" as a pejorative = Black people or Mexican people
"Poor people" as a noble state of being = White people
"Welfare" = government programs for Black people or Mexican people
"Assistance" = government programs for White people

This is also a good read: https://www.fordfoundation.org/​just-ma​tters/equals-change-blog/posts/democra​cy-is-a-threat-to-white-supremacy-and-​that-is-the-cause-of-america-s-crisis/​

When the democratic majority rejects white supremacy, white supremacists will reject democracy. They want their White Christian ethnostate and they don't care if it's democratic or not. They would prefer no one but White Christians vote anyway.

These people value only force. Any attempt to reason with them or politely ask them to change the subject is viewed as weakness. Any attempt to negotiate is viewed as weakness.
 
2021-01-13 7:20:12 PM  
Raised on drama and bullshiat

/No wonder they like Trump
 
2021-01-13 9:44:12 PM  
Hate is the heritage.
 
2021-01-13 9:52:32 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: These people value only force. Any attempt to reason with them or politely ask them to change the subject is viewed as weakness. Any attempt to negotiate is viewed as weakness.


It's interesting, if you talk with some of these people, how many of them were regularly beaten for discipline as children. They talk about it casually, mentioning what little shiats they were and how they would act up and go home to get beat.

This isn't a toddler getting a fanny-swat, btw, these are teenagers getting a pounding for being, well, uncontrollable little shiats. In other words, they KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO GET PUNISHED AND DID IT ANYWAY. It had zero impact on their behavior.

That's not even valuing force or seeing negotiating as weakness. That's a complete disconnect between the concept of behavior and the concept of punishment. Or worse, it's seeing punishment as the price well-paid for the reward of the behavior, like a reverse pleasure center in the brain.
 
2021-01-13 9:52:56 PM  
This is an outstanding article.
 
2021-01-13 10:13:07 PM  

Gyrfalcon: This isn't a toddler getting a fanny-swat, btw, these are teenagers getting a pounding for being, well, uncontrollable little shiats. In other words, they KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO GET PUNISHED AND DID IT ANYWAY. It had zero impact on their behavior.

That's not even valuing force or seeing negotiating as weakness. That's a complete disconnect between the concept of behavior and the concept of punishment. Or worse, it's seeing punishment as the price well-paid for the reward of the behavior, like a reverse pleasure center in the brain.


Racism, sexism and domestic violence all have similar roots.. it's all a problem starting from parents down to children and becomes hereditary.  You need to stop it at the start.

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2021-01-13 10:13:47 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: These people value only force. Any attempt to reason with them or politely ask them to change the subject is viewed as weakness. Any attempt to negotiate is viewed as weakness.

It's interesting, if you talk with some of these people, how many of them were regularly beaten for discipline as children. They talk about it casually, mentioning what little shiats they were and how they would act up and go home to get beat.

This isn't a toddler getting a fanny-swat, btw, these are teenagers getting a pounding for being, well, uncontrollable little shiats. In other words, they KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO GET PUNISHED AND DID IT ANYWAY. It had zero impact on their behavior.

That's not even valuing force or seeing negotiating as weakness. That's a complete disconnect between the concept of behavior and the concept of punishment. Or worse, it's seeing punishment as the price well-paid for the reward of the behavior, like a reverse pleasure center in the brain.


No, that's exactly right.

While I have met plenty of people who were abused as children (myself and Wheaton would be two) who did not grow up to be right wing nutjobs, EVERY right wing nutjob I have met was abused as a child.

I don't think the abuse is what made them right wing nutjobs. I think that the culture that advocated the abuse was the same culture that made them right wing nutjobs.

As the article implies, these people are fundamentally cruel. They care nothing for their pets and routinely abuse them. They are violent people who enjoy hurting other people. They see nothing wrong with this and their culture teaches them that this is not only tolerated but expected.
 
2021-01-13 10:17:51 PM  
I'd like to buy a predicate
 
2021-01-13 10:18:50 PM  
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2021-01-13 10:18:56 PM  
A cold Civil War it is.

They started it again.

Time to coldly grind them down until they quit and then keep going until there is nothing left.
 
2021-01-13 10:22:36 PM  

FleshMonkey: A cold Civil War it is.

They started it again.

Time to coldly grind them down until they quit and then keep going until there is nothing left.


It ain't cold anymore, bro.
 
2021-01-13 10:24:37 PM  
Not even an attempted coup is enough to get me to click a Jezebel link.
 
2021-01-13 10:25:05 PM  
Ahhhhh  Heritage.

Here is a passage from my great-great uncle Thomas, from a letter to my great-great aunt Sarah, who had recently become a school teacher.   It was written a few months after Shiloh, when he had been occupying Corinth.

"If this part of the Republic had taken the measures for the education of her children that have been adopted in the North, we would never have seen this wretched War.  You can have but an inadequate idea of the deplorable ignorance in which this people are steeped.

This renders them ready tools for the educated and ambitious few.   Those people are unfit to be citizens of a Republic and if this Rebellion should succeed would soon sink to mere Serfs of the Slave Aristocracy.  They are not educated like New England up to the standard of self government."

---Thomas Christie, Corinth Mississippi, August 6,1862.

Sooo, the lesson my heritage teaches me is that southerners have always been stupid garbage people, and are unlikely to change.
 
2021-01-13 10:26:08 PM  

Sharksfan: Not even an attempted coup is enough to get me to click a Jezebel link.


That's too bad; this is a very good article.
 
2021-01-13 10:28:19 PM  

Sharksfan: Not even an attempted coup is enough to get me to click a Jezebel link.


So are you an incel, or just a garden-variety misogynist, then?
 
2021-01-13 10:40:24 PM  

FleshMonkey: A cold Civil War it is.

They started it again.

Time to coldly grind them down until they quit and then keep going until there is nothing left.


The cold war wasn't cold.

Lots of proxy conflicts will occur.  This was a proxy between Q-Trump and some innocent bystanders.

This war hasn't heated up yet. There is a long way to go.
 
2021-01-13 10:42:16 PM  
Lets think happy thoughts and spread cheer.

They're dirt poor, have shiat teeth and die early.

Feel better?
 
2021-01-13 11:15:13 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Gyrfalcon: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: These people value only force. Any attempt to reason with them or politely ask them to change the subject is viewed as weakness. Any attempt to negotiate is viewed as weakness.

It's interesting, if you talk with some of these people, how many of them were regularly beaten for discipline as children. They talk about it casually, mentioning what little shiats they were and how they would act up and go home to get beat.

This isn't a toddler getting a fanny-swat, btw, these are teenagers getting a pounding for being, well, uncontrollable little shiats. In other words, they KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO GET PUNISHED AND DID IT ANYWAY. It had zero impact on their behavior.

That's not even valuing force or seeing negotiating as weakness. That's a complete disconnect between the concept of behavior and the concept of punishment. Or worse, it's seeing punishment as the price well-paid for the reward of the behavior, like a reverse pleasure center in the brain.

No, that's exactly right.

While I have met plenty of people who were abused as children (myself and Wheaton would be two) who did not grow up to be right wing nutjobs, EVERY right wing nutjob I have met was abused as a child.

I don't think the abuse is what made them right wing nutjobs. I think that the culture that advocated the abuse was the same culture that made them right wing nutjobs.

As the article implies, these people are fundamentally cruel. They care nothing for their pets and routinely abuse them. They are violent people who enjoy hurting other people. They see nothing wrong with this and their culture teaches them that this is not only tolerated but expected.


Probably one of those chicken/egg questions we'll never get answered.

But I can tell you that these kinds of people made a sharp distinction between what happened to them and "real" abuse. To their mind, "real abuse" is when a parent beats a child for no good reason. What happened to them was deserved punishment because they wouldn't behave.

It's not only that they are violent people who enjoy hurting others (because many don't do physical harm). It's the expectation that bad behavior equals punishment BUT ALSO bad behavior is worth the punishment if you really want to do it.

My parents, especially my mom, could shame me to tears by saying "you've really disappointed me." I can't recall her ever laying a hand on me or my sisters. Somehow, we grew up into moral, law-abiding individuals with a strong sense of right and wrong. These people I'm talking about knew they'd get a whipping (which even at the age of 14 or 15 I can't fathom) and said "Yeah, but it was FUN!" meaning whatever they did to get the punishment.

It's borderline sociopathy, imo, where the desire to act is completely disconnected from the threat of punishment. Even knowing they'll get caught and be punished, perhaps severely, is not sufficient to cause these people not to act.  They have zero internal impulse control, and only the barest minimum of social impulse control. They probably believe in god because there's no other way to explain how someone that off the rails could survive into late adulthood.
 
2021-01-14 12:58:13 AM  

edmo: This is not news here on Fark. We beat these stories up week after week.

How can anyone claim to not understand what is happening?


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None as blind as those that don't want to see.
 
2021-01-14 1:32:06 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Gyrfalcon: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: These people value only force. Any attempt to reason with them or politely ask them to change the subject is viewed as weakness. Any attempt to negotiate is viewed as weakness.

It's interesting, if you talk with some of these people, how many of them were regularly beaten for discipline as children. They talk about it casually, mentioning what little shiats they were and how they would act up and go home to get beat.

This isn't a toddler getting a fanny-swat, btw, these are teenagers getting a pounding for being, well, uncontrollable little shiats. In other words, they KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO GET PUNISHED AND DID IT ANYWAY. It had zero impact on their behavior.

That's not even valuing force or seeing negotiating as weakness. That's a complete disconnect between the concept of behavior and the concept of punishment. Or worse, it's seeing punishment as the price well-paid for the reward of the behavior, like a reverse pleasure center in the brain.

No, that's exactly right.

While I have met plenty of people who were abused as children (myself and Wheaton would be two) who did not grow up to be right wing nutjobs, EVERY right wing nutjob I have met was abused as a child.

I don't think the abuse is what made them right wing nutjobs. I think that the culture that advocated the abuse was the same culture that made them right wing nutjobs.

As the article implies, these people are fundamentally cruel. They care nothing for their pets and routinely abuse them. They are violent people who enjoy hurting other people. They see nothing wrong with this and their culture teaches them that this is not only tolerated but expected.

Probably one of those chicken/egg questions we'll never get answered.

But I can tell you that these kinds of people made a sharp distinction between what happened to them and "real" abuse. To their mind, "real abuse" is when a parent beats a child for no good reason. Wha ...


I agree with everything you just wrote.
 
2021-01-14 1:32:38 AM  

NathanAllen: Lets think happy thoughts and spread cheer.

They're dirt poor, have shiat teeth and die early.

Feel better?


No, not until they are in jail or dead.
 
2021-01-14 2:38:01 AM  
Trumpism is a cult.
It's full of gullible, stupid people who think only with their ethnocentrism, bigotry, hatred, and ignorance. Then along comes a guy without any tact, intelligence, or respect and they say "THAT guy speaks MY language! I'm supporting him until I die!" (in some cases, literally)

When North Koreans escape, they have to be deprogrammed of all the brainwashing their authoritarian regime put in them. Will the same work on Trumpers? I don't know.
 
2021-01-14 3:06:31 AM  

FatherChaos: Trumpism is a cult.
It's full of gullible, stupid people who think only with their ethnocentrism, bigotry, hatred, and ignorance. Then along comes a guy without any tact, intelligence, or respect and they say "THAT guy speaks MY language! I'm supporting him until I die!" (in some cases, literally)

When North Koreans escape, they have to be deprogrammed of all the brainwashing their authoritarian regime put in them. Will the same work on Trumpers? I don't know.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deprogr​a​mming
 
2021-01-14 7:30:05 AM  

stuartp9: Racism, sexism and domestic violence all have similar roots.. it's all a problem starting from parents down to children and becomes hereditary.  You need to stop it at the start.


The one consistency I always hear from everyone I know who was abused or neglected as a child was "My parents had it tough".  Poverty of one level or another is always the root cause for this, just as they've shown that divorce is a primarily economic phenomenon far more than a social, emotional or psychological one.

Families with enough money to live comfortably don't abuse each other or split up nearly as much as those that struggle.  As usual, the Oligarchy is the root of everything.  The billionaires need to swing, sooner or later, absent another FDR miracle.
 
2021-01-14 10:21:33 AM  

TheOtherGuy: stuartp9: Racism, sexism and domestic violence all have similar roots.. it's all a problem starting from parents down to children and becomes hereditary.  You need to stop it at the start.

The one consistency I always hear from everyone I know who was abused or neglected as a child was "My parents had it tough".  Poverty of one level or another is always the root cause for this, just as they've shown that divorce is a primarily economic phenomenon far more than a social, emotional or psychological one.

Families with enough money to live comfortably don't abuse each other or split up nearly as much as those that struggle.  As usual, the Oligarchy is the root of everything.  The billionaires need to swing, sooner or later, absent another FDR miracle.


As a ten-year veteran of the family law wars, I'm gonna call bullshiat on that right now.

Families with enough money to live comfortably abuse one another and their kids, split up, and all the rest, just as much as those that struggle.

Their little spats just don't end up as an episode of COPS, that's all.
 
2021-01-14 10:44:09 AM  

Gyrfalcon: TheOtherGuy: stuartp9: Racism, sexism and domestic violence all have similar roots.. it's all a problem starting from parents down to children and becomes hereditary.  You need to stop it at the start.

The one consistency I always hear from everyone I know who was abused or neglected as a child was "My parents had it tough".  Poverty of one level or another is always the root cause for this, just as they've shown that divorce is a primarily economic phenomenon far more than a social, emotional or psychological one.

Families with enough money to live comfortably don't abuse each other or split up nearly as much as those that struggle.  As usual, the Oligarchy is the root of everything.  The billionaires need to swing, sooner or later, absent another FDR miracle.

As a ten-year veteran of the family law wars, I'm gonna call bullshiat on that right now.

Families with enough money to live comfortably abuse one another and their kids, split up, and all the rest, just as much as those that struggle.

Their little spats just don't end up as an episode of COPS, that's all.


Sociology and vast studies full of data disagree with you.  What you're seeing are simply outliers.  Income being tied to divorce rates doesn't mean rich people don't get divorced.  It means that poorer people get divorced more often than their relative population sizes would otherwise indicate.
 
2021-01-14 2:36:50 PM  

edmo: This is not news here on Fark. We beat these stories up week after week.

How can anyone claim to not understand what is happening?


Because they are allowed to.
 
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