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2021-01-13 10:34:43 AM  
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2021-01-13 11:06:09 AM  
As a kid you identify with Luke.

As a teenager you identify with Han.

As an adult you identify with Vader.
 
2021-01-13 11:08:05 AM  
Because they're not totally human traits in the first place.   You can enjoy them without acting out, you know.
 
2021-01-13 11:09:16 AM  

dothemath: As a kid you identify with Luke.

As a teenager you identify with Han.

As an adult you identify with Vader.


The the father of a young boy I can say the fight in ESB is fully accurate: playing around til the boy gets a nut shot in and then it's "DONT MAKE ME DESTROY YOU"
 
2021-01-13 11:09:19 AM  

dothemath: As a kid you identify with Luke.

As a teenager you identify with Han.

As an adult you identify with Vader.


So much THIS!!

You have no idea how many times I wanted to force choke the damn neighbor kid for letting his dog take a crap on my lawn.
 
2021-01-13 11:10:44 AM  
Ron the Death Eater and Draco in Leather pants would blow these fools theory right out of the water
 
2021-01-13 11:11:14 AM  
 
2021-01-13 11:11:42 AM  
Who determines which character is a "villain"?
 
2021-01-13 11:13:48 AM  
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2021-01-13 11:13:50 AM  

gunsmack: Who determines which character is a "villain"?


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2021-01-13 11:14:43 AM  

gunsmack: Who determines which character is a "villain"?


Right, Larusso's actually the villain.
🙄
 
2021-01-13 11:14:57 AM  

gunsmack: Who determines which character is a "villain"?


Vader's just a widower father trying to make the galaxy a better place for his kids in the best way he knows how.
 
2021-01-13 11:16:35 AM  

cowgirl toffee: dothemath: As a kid you identify with Luke.

As a teenager you identify with Han.

As an adult you identify with Vader.

So much THIS!!

You have no idea how many times I wanted to force choke the damn neighbor kid for letting his dog take a crap on my lawn.


"I always wondered how you could kill someone. Then I got cheated on and I was like Ohhhh OK"

- John Mulaney
 
2021-01-13 11:16:54 AM  

damndirtyape: gunsmack: Who determines which character is a "villain"?

Vader's just a widower father trying to make the galaxy a better place for his kids in the best way he knows how.


If Vader had a quirky neighbor, things would have been quite different.
 
2021-01-13 11:17:20 AM  
John Wick, Payback, The Italian Job, Most Tarantino films - bad guys killing worse guys. Wholesome entertainment.
 
2021-01-13 11:17:53 AM  
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2021-01-13 11:18:34 AM  
The study found a strong correlation, with individuals who had higher indications of Dark Triad personality traits more likely to report that they enjoyed, identified with or empathized with villainous characters.

These are entirely different things. A well-written villain is one you can empathize with. People who self-identify with villains like Cartman or Patrick Bateman tend to be dumb assholes.
 
2021-01-13 11:19:56 AM  
A well written movie will have a complicated villain who isn't completely wrong and who the audience identifies with a little bit whether they want to or not. A great villain might offer a good critique of society, for example, but be wrong or excessive in how he responds to it.
 
2021-01-13 11:21:38 AM  
Honestly, though; who doesn't prefer Vader?
 
2021-01-13 11:21:52 AM  
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2021-01-13 11:23:52 AM  
A good, well written villain is one that the reader will empathize with on some level, by definition, otherwise they're just 1 dimensional obstacles to be knocked down.

It's when the reader starts identifying with the villain and seeing them as the protagonist that there's a problem.

You can empathize with Vader, he's had some hard knocks in life and you can understand some of his feelings and reactions and empathize with that, but he's still ultimately an evil child murdering, Palpatine supporting, Republic subverting Bad Guy.
 
2021-01-13 11:24:27 AM  

nullandvoid744: A well written movie will have a complicated villain who isn't completely wrong and who the audience identifies with a little bit whether they want to or not. A great villain might offer a good critique of society, for example, but be wrong or excessive in how he responds to it.


Behold, the real villain of Star Wars: sand.

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2021-01-13 11:27:08 AM  

damndirtyape: gunsmack: Who determines which character is a "villain"?

Vader's just a widower father trying to make the galaxy a better place for his kids in the best way he knows how.


Vader comes home and the kids are all excited... "Who wants free throat hugs?!"
 
2021-01-13 11:29:50 AM  

cabal_man: Honestly, though; who doesn't prefer Vader?


I prefer Leia.
 
2021-01-13 11:30:39 AM  

cowgirl toffee: damndirtyape: gunsmack: Who determines which character is a "villain"?

Vader's just a widower father trying to make the galaxy a better place for his kids in the best way he knows how.

Vader comes home and the kids are all excited... "Who wants free throat hugs?!"


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2021-01-13 11:31:58 AM  
FTFA: Of the three Dark Triad traits, psychopathy and Machiavellianism were more strongly associated with villain positivity than narcissism.

Duh. Narcissists are all "ME, ME, ME! Fark everyone else, including the villain. He's an asshole anyway! Me!"
 
2021-01-13 11:34:04 AM  
"Welcome to orientation day here on the jolly old Death Star! Now, there are a few things we want to go over with you concerning Lord Vader. First and foremost, he thinks he has the power to strangle us. Truth is, he doesn't. If he ever realized this, he would kill us with his lightsaber. Thus, to keep us safe, we all pretend to get strangled. Okay, let's try and practice."

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2021-01-13 11:38:32 AM  
Are we speaking about Death Star and Kraken fangirling here?
 
2021-01-13 11:38:52 AM  
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2021-01-13 11:45:56 AM  
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2021-01-13 11:46:30 AM  
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Every villain is the hero of their own story.
 
2021-01-13 11:47:27 AM  
Sounds like hybristophiles, but not quite as aggravated a condition.
 
2021-01-13 11:49:52 AM  
Villains often have complex backstories about the circumstances and events in their lives that made them who they are.  Heroes don't typically get that treatment.  (Q.v. Leo Tolstoy:  "Happy families are all alike but unhappy families are each unhappy in their own unique way.")

There are also often complex reasons why villains do the things they do.  Perhaps they have what most would view as a noble goal but the means are horrifying, e.g. fighting climate change by wiping out most of humanity.  Perhaps they see what they do as serving a greater good, e.g. exposing corruption by officials or "stealing ill-gotten gains from the rich and giving to the poor".  Perhaps they're sympathetic because they're members of an underclass who have most good and lawful means of earning a living closed off to them by an unjust society, so they earn a living in some kind of illegal trade.  Again, heroes don't typically get that kind of treatment in fiction.  (Except for Batman, and he's about as dark as a hero gets, to the point where he's indistinguishable from the villains he fights, a lot of the time.)

And then there's this entire list of fictional characters whom people idolize and shouldn't.  Not all of them are villains, though, some of them just have toxic traits.  Tyler Durden, Bojack Horseman, The Joker, Randle Patrick McMurphy (One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest), Walter White, Tony Montana (Scarface).  I'd be a lot more worried about someone who unironically idolized one or more of those characters.

Also...THIS IS FICTION.  Part of being a non-delusional adult is being able to distinguish fiction from reality.  You can enjoy murder mysteries without wanting to commit murder.

Why yes I spend far too much time reading TVTropes.
 
2021-01-13 11:50:25 AM  
Why would some with traits of pschopathy empathize with the villain?

It's more likely the hypothesis behind the survey was too obvious and some people just wanted to screw with the researchers.
 
2021-01-13 11:50:29 AM  
Villains are always portrayed as "powerful".
Power is enticing.

Resonating and being fine with that power used in wrong ways for good reasons is bad.
Resonating and being fine with that power being used in wrong ways for selfish reasons is even worse.

Power does not corrupt...power reveals that which is within.
 
2021-01-13 11:58:30 AM  

cabal_man: Honestly, though; who doesn't prefer Vader?


What the hell is the point of that stupid helmet?
 
2021-01-13 11:58:35 AM  

Resident Muslim: Villains are always portrayed as "powerful".
Power is enticing.

Resonating and being fine with that power used in wrong ways for good reasons is bad.
Resonating and being fine with that power being used in wrong ways for selfish reasons is even worse.

Power does not corrupt...power reveals that which is within.


Narcissists always see themselves as heros.
 
2021-01-13 11:59:35 AM  
Junk science. Published in the journal "Poetics" for chrissake.
 
2021-01-13 12:02:29 PM  

dothemath: As a kid you identify with Luke.

As a teenager you identify with Han.

As an adult you identify with Vader.



and when you have kids.....

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2021-01-13 12:12:29 PM  

dothemath: As a kid you identify with Luke.

As a teenager you identify with Han.

As an adult you identify with Vader.


(Should I be the one to break it to him?)
 
2021-01-13 12:14:25 PM  

cowgirl toffee: damndirtyape: gunsmack: Who determines which character is a "villain"?

Vader's just a widower father trying to make the galaxy a better place for his kids in the best way he knows how.

Vader comes home and the kids are all excited... "Who wants free throat hugs?!"


Father, I got detention tomorrow.  "Did you tell the teacher their power is insignificant to that of the force?" i did and then i force choked her but the principal yelled at me so I stopped.
 
2021-01-13 12:15:01 PM  
When the villain has better motives than the "heroes", it's pretty easy to identify with him.
 
2021-01-13 12:20:27 PM  

damndirtyape: cowgirl toffee: damndirtyape: gunsmack: Who determines which character is a "villain"?

Vader's just a widower father trying to make the galaxy a better place for his kids in the best way he knows how.

Vader comes home and the kids are all excited... "Who wants free throat hugs?!"

Father, I got detention tomorrow.  "Did you tell the teacher their power is insignificant to that of the force?" i did and then i force choked her but the principal yelled at me so I stopped.


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2021-01-13 12:21:32 PM  

nullandvoid744: A well written movie will have a complicated villain who isn't completely wrong and who the audience identifies with a little bit whether they want to or not. A great villain might offer a good critique of society, for example, but be wrong or excessive in how he responds to it.


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2021-01-13 12:26:03 PM  
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Sauron did nothing wrong

 
2021-01-13 12:30:38 PM  
What?! No love for the Mad Titan?


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2021-01-13 12:39:46 PM  
STAR WARS EP 2: The Friend Zone
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2021-01-13 12:59:12 PM  
When I was a kid watching Aeon Flux on MTV, my dad was noticeably disturbed when he realized I sympathized with Trevor Goodchild in that some people are too stupid for their own good.

Since it was a cartoon, he figured it was okay for kids. Later, he sat down and watched an episode and told me to stop watching it, but I countered with it being pointless because I had seen all of the episodes.

/same for the Maxx
 
2021-01-13 1:09:17 PM  

Snaptastic: When I was a kid watching Aeon Flux on MTV, my dad was noticeably disturbed when he realized I sympathized with Trevor Goodchild in that some people are too stupid for their own good.

Since it was a cartoon, he figured it was okay for kids. Later, he sat down and watched an episode and told me to stop watching it, but I countered with it being pointless because I had seen all of the episodes.

/same for the Maxx


The Maxx's comic is much better.
 
2021-01-13 1:10:10 PM  

cabal_man: Honestly, though; who doesn't prefer Vader?


Seriously? It's flawed to even have him in the study because you can identify with him in so many ways. I personally identify with the fact that he represents that no matter what, no one is lost and there is hope for everyone. I think that means I see people positively but , maybe something something Dark Triad?
 
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