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(Daily Mail)   UK has vaccinated more people than all other European countries combined   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line
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2021-01-13 7:53:15 AM  
This is in the Daily Mail, so I now doubt the existence of the UK
 
2021-01-13 7:58:18 AM  
They approved the vaccine a lot earlier than the rest of europe. They had a little headstart.

But yeah, rollouts don't seem to be as fast as I would have expected
 
2021-01-13 9:00:49 AM  

Gubbo: They approved the vaccine a lot earlier than the rest of europe. They had a little headstart.

But yeah, rollouts don't seem to be as fast as I would have expected


My wife was scheduled for this week but they ran out - gov't distribution has nothing to send them (or something).  The good news is that they sent a text last night saying they were getting back on track soon.
 
2021-01-13 9:08:35 AM  
Subby, were you the one that couldn't figure out temperature conversions yesterday?  Because your math sucks here too.
 
2021-01-13 9:09:22 AM  

UberDave: Gubbo: They approved the vaccine a lot earlier than the rest of europe. They had a little headstart.

But yeah, rollouts don't seem to be as fast as I would have expected

My wife was scheduled for this week but they ran out - gov't distribution has nothing to send them (or something).  The good news is that they sent a text last night saying they were getting back on track soon.


We have elderley friends whonhad to stand nose-to-tail in a long queue outside for an hour in order to get their jabs. They said it was mayhem.
 
2021-01-13 9:11:21 AM  
The UK isn't in Europe anymore Subby. Duh.
 
2021-01-13 9:11:37 AM  
They're also fudging the dosages, so it'll be interesting to see how that turns out.
 
2021-01-13 9:12:04 AM  

Gubbo: They approved the vaccine a lot earlier than the rest of europe. They had a little headstart.

But yeah, rollouts don't seem to be as fast as I would have expected


I think the dithering around approving it so late is a worse sin than the rollouts being messed up.  Every country has messed up the rollout, even the supposedly civilized countries like Canada, France and German are way behind the UK and US.

But there really is no excuse for waiting weeks after everyone else approved it to give the vaccine out.
 
2021-01-13 9:12:21 AM  

HugeMistake: This is in the Daily Mail, so I now doubt the existence of the UK


Indeed, I now doubt that they've vaccinated even one person.
 
2021-01-13 9:13:17 AM  

Pert: UberDave: Gubbo: They approved the vaccine a lot earlier than the rest of europe. They had a little headstart.

But yeah, rollouts don't seem to be as fast as I would have expected

My wife was scheduled for this week but they ran out - gov't distribution has nothing to send them (or something).  The good news is that they sent a text last night saying they were getting back on track soon.

We have elderley friends whonhad to stand nose-to-tail in a long queue outside for an hour in order to get their jabs. They said it was mayhem.


America, where to some people, standing in line is mayhem.
 
2021-01-13 9:15:21 AM  
Huh, I literally just heard a story on Morning Edition about how the UK is farked in terms of case count, hospitalizations, etc. Something doesn't add up here...
 
2021-01-13 9:22:33 AM  
Bunch of pricks!
 
2021-01-13 9:22:36 AM  

gabethegoat: Huh, I literally just heard a story on Morning Edition about how the UK is farked in terms of case count, hospitalizations, etc. Something doesn't add up here...


I don't get this either.  Isn't the Daily Fail of the opinion that NHS is evil and needs to be replaced with something fabulous, like Trump Care?  Yanno, Trump Care, the best care, really great care, much more classy than Obama Care....none better.
 
2021-01-13 9:25:06 AM  

gabethegoat: Huh, I literally just heard a story on Morning Edition about how the UK is farked in terms of case count, hospitalizations, etc. Something doesn't add up here...


They do have the mutated version to deal with, the one that will soon fark up the rest of Europe, as it wasn't stopped at the border.

Having only 4% of your population vaccinated, probably doesn't make much of a difference anyway.
 
2021-01-13 9:28:51 AM  
They're counting the first stage of a 2-stage vaccine as a whole vaccination which is... let us say... over-optimistic.

It would be fairer to say they have done a half-assed job faster than anyone else.
 
2021-01-13 9:35:53 AM  

Jeebus Saves: Pert: UberDave: Gubbo: They approved the vaccine a lot earlier than the rest of europe. They had a little headstart.

But yeah, rollouts don't seem to be as fast as I would have expected

My wife was scheduled for this week but they ran out - gov't distribution has nothing to send them (or something).  The good news is that they sent a text last night saying they were getting back on track soon.

We have elderley friends whonhad to stand nose-to-tail in a long queue outside for an hour in order to get their jabs. They said it was mayhem.

America, where to some people, standing in line is mayhem.


I'm in the UK.

The mayhem element was the crowding together of dozens of elderly people during a pandemic.
 
2021-01-13 9:39:25 AM  

Lord Brixton: They're counting the first stage of a 2-stage vaccine as a whole vaccination which is... let us say... over-optimistic.

It would be fairer to say they have done a half-assed job faster than anyone else.


Seems maybe not. This link is NHS England vaccine stats. They appear to be ramping up the 2nd dose numbers...
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2021-01-13 9:42:12 AM  

gabethegoat: Huh, I literally just heard a story on Morning Edition about how the UK is farked in terms of case count, hospitalizations, etc. Something doesn't add up here...


Bad news sells clicks and papers.
No matter how 'good' the actual news might be, there is always a way to make it sound like the end of the world.
 
2021-01-13 9:49:24 AM  
Don't call Brits 'European'... could lead to trouble.
 
2021-01-13 9:51:55 AM  

Pert: Jeebus Saves: Pert: UberDave: Gubbo: They approved the vaccine a lot earlier than the rest of europe. They had a little headstart.

But yeah, rollouts don't seem to be as fast as I would have expected

My wife was scheduled for this week but they ran out - gov't distribution has nothing to send them (or something).  The good news is that they sent a text last night saying they were getting back on track soon.

We have elderley friends whonhad to stand nose-to-tail in a long queue outside for an hour in order to get their jabs. They said it was mayhem.

America, where to some people, standing in line is mayhem.

I'm in the UK.

The mayhem element was the crowding together of dozens of elderly people during a pandemic.


I'm in the UK *and* have to make frequent hospital visits.

The mayhem element was in pulling everyone on the vulnerable list out of line, putting them in another line, putting someone else in the first line, then the people pulled out of the line return to their original line but now the line has moved... and so on.

But it was more-or-less controlled mayhem and it's calming down.

A glaring problem remains, though, that long-term care in fact all non-covid care is suffering.
 
2021-01-13 10:46:06 AM  

Pert: We have elderley friends whonhad to stand nose-to-tail in a long queue outside for an hour in order to get their jabs. They said it was mayhem.


I have an elderly (84 year old) relation who cannot get information at all. No appointment, no word about how appointments will be given. GP says they have been given no information whatsoever. The current number is look, but could almost certainly be better if Boris and Co weren't actively farking up, yet again.
 
2021-01-13 10:51:11 AM  

BafflerMeal: Subby, were you the one that couldn't figure out temperature conversions yesterday?  Because your math sucks here too.


It isn't subby's math, it's the Daily Mail's, and how does it suck? To know how a country is doing in relation to others, vaccinations per capita is a better comparison than sheer numbers.
 
2021-01-13 10:52:28 AM  
This is in the Daily Mail, so I now doubt the existence of the coronavirus.

...

Uh oh.
 
2021-01-13 10:53:18 AM  

gabethegoat: Huh, I literally just heard a story on Morning Edition about how the UK is farked in terms of case count, hospitalizations, etc. Something doesn't add up here...


There's a significant time lag between "getting the vaccine" and "developing protection". Also the current emphasis in vaccination is stopping old people from dying. The hospitals are clogging up with younger people who often need much longer treatment. A lot of old people don't last very long at all when infected.

I was chatting to a GP acquaintance yesterday. He's in Scotland, where things are bad, but he says that in London it's catastrophic.
 
2021-01-13 10:56:14 AM  
Daily Mail "We're doing better than the EU, honest we are!!" article number 492 for today.
Allow into your brain at your own risk.
 
2021-01-13 10:57:29 AM  

gabethegoat: Huh, I literally just heard a story on Morning Edition about how the UK is farked in terms of case count, hospitalizations, etc. Something doesn't add up here...


Why doesn't it add up? If your house is burning, and the fire department just started hosing the place down, do you expect the entire to be put out with the first gallon of water? Or for the burned parts to suddenly be whole again?
 
2021-01-13 12:08:38 PM  
Finally my state (WV) seems to be leading the pack in something.Vaccination rollout so far is doing pretty well with 6% of the population already vaccinated from what I've heard.

...and I get my first shot at 3pm today, way earlier than I expected
 
2021-01-13 12:25:11 PM  

gabethegoat: Huh, I literally just heard a story on Morning Edition about how the UK is farked in terms of case count, hospitalizations, etc. Something doesn't add up here...


Vaccinations take time to work maybe?

Lord Brixton: They're counting the first stage of a 2-stage vaccine as a whole vaccination which is... let us say... over-optimistic.

It would be fairer to say they have done a half-assed job faster than anyone else.


But everyone else's figures are for the same thing, so it is still a direct comparison.

jso2897: Daily Mail "We're doing better than the EU, honest we are!!" article number 492 for today.
Allow into your brain at your own risk.


How does that compare to the hundreds of Fark "Ha ha the UK is screwed!" threads?
A few weeks ago Farkers were adamant that the ports would be total chaos. Two days ago Farkers were reduced to making a thread about a truck driver having his ham sandwich confiscated.
 
2021-01-13 12:40:14 PM  
This is utter bollocks. Each country verifies the vaccines as safe, and the UK did it first. We started vaccinating in December, i.e. before we finally left the EU. It's not an EU issue.

The EU did a bulk-buy for EU members but each country was also free to but their own additional shots as well. Many have. Both sources are on-stream.

We are vaccinating more because we started first, we have a relatively high population within the EU, and we have the worst infection rates.

But the Daily Mail is *desperate* to find an I-told-you-so spin on Brexit after Brexiteers were stunned to discover that Brexit has negative consequences for them. If only someone had thought to mention those over the last 4 years (again and again and again).
 
2021-01-13 12:51:09 PM  
Incidentally, re the 1st stage and 2nd stage vaccine thing and the UK's overall strategy...

The UK is prioritizing against fatalities.

Therefore it is prioritizing a roll-out to care homes (which have a superspreader history), medics and social workers, and then the elderly, in decreasing 5-year bands, since these are either the demographics most likely to die, or those most critical to their care.

They are then targetting people with underlying health issues (here, having a central NHS really helps with sorting that out) and then resuming an age-band rollout from 70 down to about 50. after that it's a more general rollout, possibly prioritizing certain workers (e.g. teachers).

The vaccine is still in limited supply. Therefore rather than vaccinate people twice with a 3 week gap, they are vaccinating with a 12 week gap (the longest advised).

This means far more of the most vulnerable will get a first vaccine in the first 3 months of rollout, since it effectively doubles the number of doses available.

This has been done because there is good evidence that whilst the 2nd vaccine shot boosts immunity levels, the first shot has the main effect of  reducing the severity of any infections caught, because the immune system is at least partially primed.

This should reduce fatalities the fastest and so it is why the UK is doing what it is doing.

Frankly, hooray for a centralized medical system that can do this.
 
2021-01-13 12:56:14 PM  

jso2897: Allow into your brain at your own risk.


As opposed to 'reject if it doesn't meet your preconceived notion'
 
2021-01-13 3:04:54 PM  
But let's not talk about the pathetic lunch parcels the government's contractor has been sending out.
 
2021-01-13 3:15:02 PM  

mungo: This is utter bollocks. Each country verifies the vaccines as safe, and the UK did it first. We started vaccinating in December, i.e. before we finally left the EU. It's not an EU issue.


We left the EU a year ago. We were in a transition period, like a one year trade deal, and therefore free to certify the vaccine ourselves. In theory any EU country could have done that, but it's telling not one of them did. We did, because we could, and that's why we have a head start.

But we vaccinated 130k in the first week. France did 500.

mungo: But the Daily Mail is *desperate* to find an I-told-you-so spin on Brexit after Brexiteers were stunned to discover that Brexit has negative consequences for them. If only someone had thought to mention those over the last 4 years (again and again and again).


And it sounds like some people are desperate to attack any good news and insist that Brexit is bad in every way.
 
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