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2119 clicks; posted to Politics » on 12 Jan 2021 at 4:10 PM (22 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2021-01-12 3:50:11 PM  
We should probably get rid of Signal too.
 
2021-01-12 3:53:46 PM  
Telegraph looks around nervously.
 
2021-01-12 3:54:35 PM  

feltrider: We should probably get rid of Signal too.


Signal is Facebook's right? If so, absolutely. That shiat isn't secure at all
 
2021-01-12 3:54:41 PM  
And the Daily Mail, and the Sun, and the Daly Express, and the NYPost...
 
2021-01-12 3:55:32 PM  
Are smoke signals still ok?
 
2021-01-12 4:00:53 PM  
It's time to go after Republicans!

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2021-01-12 4:03:30 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Are smoke signals still ok?


As long as you don't inhale.
 
2021-01-12 4:05:37 PM  

somedude210: feltrider: We should probably get rid of Signal too.

Signal is Facebook's right? If so, absolutely. That shiat isn't secure at all


Naw, it was founded by a guy that used to work for Facebook though.
 
2021-01-12 4:08:43 PM  
I mean, the platform isn't really the problem, right? Eventually the cockroaches will scurry to Fark.

Better to just dox each and every one of the fascist farksticks.
 
2021-01-12 4:09:15 PM  
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2021-01-12 4:09:53 PM  
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2021-01-12 4:11:52 PM  
Honestly what should come next is Youtube
 
2021-01-12 4:11:57 PM  
Good time to be a federal agent, lot of job security in their future, well, once you pass the investigation that's going to be launched internally.

They're going to have a very busy year finally going after white nationalists.
 
2021-01-12 4:12:32 PM  
And Kik?
 
2021-01-12 4:12:38 PM  
I remember a friend in tech telling me that a lot of cryptocurrency people are on Telegram.

I guess it kinda figures.
 
2021-01-12 4:12:49 PM  

somedude210: feltrider: We should probably get rid of Signal too.

Signal is Facebook's right? If so, absolutely. That shiat isn't secure at all


No, WhatsApp is the Facebook owned Signal derivative.
 
2021-01-12 4:13:02 PM  

somedude210: feltrider: We should probably get rid of Signal too.

Signal is Facebook's right? If so, absolutely. That shiat isn't secure at all


Signal is used by journalists to talk to anonymous tippers. On the DnD alignment scale, I would rate it "true neutral".
 
2021-01-12 4:13:10 PM  

feltrider: We should probably get rid of Signal too.


Aldus Lamp and Semaphore as well.
 
2021-01-12 4:13:11 PM  
This game of nazi whack-a-mole would have been a lot easier if we'd kept them in check from 1960 - now.

Maybe..
 
2021-01-12 4:13:23 PM  

HerptheDerp: Good time to be a federal agent, lot of job security in their future, well, once you pass the investigation that's going to be launched internally.

They're going to have a very busy year finally going after white nationalists.


There seem to be brown white nationalists to go after as well.
 
2021-01-12 4:13:56 PM  
We really need to get rid of any communications platform through which Nazis might communicate, especially if those communications are encrypted. We should not be allowing possible seditionists to send messages to each other that cannot be intercepted by legal authorities.
 
2021-01-12 4:14:37 PM  
I'd be curious to go over there and check out what they are saying, but I don't want to be on any more government watch lists than I already am.
 
2021-01-12 4:14:45 PM  
Candygram for Mongo?

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2021-01-12 4:15:02 PM  
I actually use telegram and think it's the best instant messenger out there, i would hate to see these assholes over run it.
 
2021-01-12 4:15:32 PM  

Magnanimous_J: I'd be curious to go over there and check out what they are saying, but I don't want to be on any more government watch lists than I already am.


Could you not do your research from behind seven proxies?
 
2021-01-12 4:16:17 PM  

Dimensio: We really need to get rid of any communications platform through which Nazis might communicate, especially if those communications are encrypted. We should not be allowing possible seditionists to send messages to each other that cannot be intercepted by legal authorities.


I'm really wondering where the EFF is going to come down on this.
 
2021-01-12 4:16:22 PM  
But Telegram is great  useful an option for porn.
 
2021-01-12 4:17:18 PM  

Dimensio: We really need to get rid of any communications platform through which Nazis might communicate, especially if those communications are encrypted. We should not be allowing possible seditionists to send messages to each other that cannot be intercepted by legal authorities.


Stop the Nazis from communicating? Don't allow seditionists to message each other?
Uh, how about taking them out before they communicate?
Last time I checked, we didn't sign any peace deals or free to be me clauses with Nazis.
Cut to the chase, citizen.
 
2021-01-12 4:17:19 PM  

Dimensio: We really need to get rid of any communications platform through which Nazis might communicate, especially if those communications are encrypted. We should not be allowing possible seditionists to send messages to each other that cannot be intercepted by legal authorities.


NSA: Define 'legal'.
 
2021-01-12 4:18:12 PM  

moothemagiccow: Honestly what should come next is Youtube


Sacha Baron Cohen agrees.
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Oh and a note about the global use of Telegram.
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2021-01-12 4:18:24 PM  

Dimensio: We really need to get rid of any communications platform through which Nazis might communicate, especially if those communications are encrypted. We should not be allowing possible seditionists to send messages to each other that cannot be intercepted by legal authorities.


Yeah, I'm gonna have to disagree there.  We should retain the ability to communicate with each other privately, and use more traditional methods to identify, locate and prosecute criminals.

I see no issue with pressuring companies like Amazon, Twitter, Time-Warner and what not, to drop nazis from their platforms.  But banning the platforms outright is a problem.
 
2021-01-12 4:18:25 PM  
I thought Parlar popped back up somewhere else?
 
2021-01-12 4:18:30 PM  

somedude210: feltrider: We should probably get rid of Signal too.

Signal is Facebook's right? If so, absolutely. That shiat isn't secure at all


Then why say that? *wink* wink*
 
2021-01-12 4:19:17 PM  

crazypenguins: I actually use telegram and think it's the best instant messenger out there, i would hate to see these assholes over run it.


Same. Hopefully they'd just kill the open channel functionality.
 
2021-01-12 4:19:38 PM  
4chan & 8kun. It'd be nice to shutdown the sites most culpible for mainlining conspiracy lunatics, mass murderers, Nazis, and pedos.
 
2021-01-12 4:20:08 PM  

kudayta: somedude210: feltrider: We should probably get rid of Signal too.

Signal is Facebook's right? If so, absolutely. That shiat isn't secure at all

Naw, it was founded by a guy that used to work for Facebook though.


No, it wasn't.  Moxie worked for Twitter for a time, but it was well after Signal was already in production.  I don't think "Get rid of Signal" is a good idea.
 
2021-01-12 4:20:17 PM  

Pinner: Dimensio: We really need to get rid of any communications platform through which Nazis might communicate, especially if those communications are encrypted. We should not be allowing possible seditionists to send messages to each other that cannot be intercepted by legal authorities.

Stop the Nazis from communicating? Don't allow seditionists to message each other?
Uh, how about taking them out before they communicate?
Last time I checked, we didn't sign any peace deals or free to be me clauses with Nazis.
Cut to the chase, citizen.


Taking them out requires tracking them and that can be done by intercepting their communications. Ideally Nazis cannot communicate with each other at all but if they are going to do so we should make sure that they have no access to encrypted communications so that we can more easily find them.
 
2021-01-12 4:20:56 PM  
Someone met the other edge of the sword they've been swinging.
 
2021-01-12 4:21:01 PM  

Rwa2play: somedude210: feltrider: We should probably get rid of Signal too.

Signal is Facebook's right? If so, absolutely. That shiat isn't secure at all

Then why say that? *wink* wink*


Again, WhatsApp is the Facebook owned derivative. I say 'derivative', as Signal is open source.

We mock Trumpers for being low information dittoheads. It'd be nice if we could avoid doing the same.
 
2021-01-12 4:21:17 PM  

kudayta: somedude210: feltrider: We should probably get rid of Signal too.

Signal is Facebook's right? If so, absolutely. That shiat isn't secure at all

Naw, it was founded by a guy that used to work for Facebook though.


I thought one of them was owned by FB?
 
2021-01-12 4:21:19 PM  
I honestly thought Fark would have resurgence of old Nazi-friendly accounts, but they seem to be hiding out somewhere. Good riddance.
 
2021-01-12 4:22:09 PM  

Pinner: Dimensio: We really need to get rid of any communications platform through which Nazis might communicate, especially if those communications are encrypted. We should not be allowing possible seditionists to send messages to each other that cannot be intercepted by legal authorities.

Stop the Nazis from communicating? Don't allow seditionists to message each other?
Uh, how about taking them out before they communicate?
Last time I checked, we didn't sign any peace deals or free to be me clauses with Nazis.
Cut to the chase, citizen.


Yep big Bro need to see all your posts all the time. for your "safety".
 
2021-01-12 4:22:37 PM  

agent00pi: somedude210: feltrider: We should probably get rid of Signal too.

Signal is Facebook's right? If so, absolutely. That shiat isn't secure at all

No, WhatsApp is the Facebook owned Signal derivative.


Ah! Thanks! I knew it was one of them. Avoid WhatsApp
 
2021-01-12 4:22:58 PM  

somedude210: kudayta: somedude210: feltrider: We should probably get rid of Signal too.

Signal is Facebook's right? If so, absolutely. That shiat isn't secure at all

Naw, it was founded by a guy that used to work for Facebook though.

I thought one of them was owned by FB?


Yeah as someone mentioned upthread WhatsApp is owned by FB.
 
2021-01-12 4:24:12 PM  
Honestly I'm surprised our once vibrant community of RWNJs hasn't flocked back to the poltab to engage in debate over the many ways the presidential election was stolen. Have they been banned or are they merely awaiting fresh talking points, rubles and vodak from their handlers?
 
2021-01-12 4:24:28 PM  

xrayspx: kudayta: somedude210: feltrider: We should probably get rid of Signal too.

Signal is Facebook's right? If so, absolutely. That shiat isn't secure at all

Naw, it was founded by a guy that used to work for Facebook though.

No, it wasn't.  Moxie worked for Twitter for a time, but it was well after Signal was already in production.  I don't think "Get rid of Signal" is a good idea.


Oh, sorry, I must've misread the wiki

On February 21, 2018, Moxie Marlinspike and WhatsApp co-founder Brian Acton announced the formation of the Signal Foundation, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization whose mission is "to support, accelerate, and broaden Signal's mission of making private communication accessible and ubiquitous".[37][22] The foundation was started with an initial $50 million in funding from Acton, who had left WhatsApp's parent company Facebook in September 2017.[22]
 
2021-01-12 4:24:30 PM  
I like my end-to-end encrypted communications app, and would prefer it not be destroyed just because bad people use fit too.
 
2021-01-12 4:25:39 PM  
Enough with this whack-a-mole already.  Just shut down the internet and be done with it.
 
2021-01-12 4:26:41 PM  
There's always CB radio, good buddy.
 
2021-01-12 4:28:28 PM  
Ugh, I hope nothing happens to Telegram. It's the one platform that I use to talk to non-iPhone friends for group texts to plan our next days to play RPGs.
 
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