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2021-01-11 4:07:33 AM  
Wonder Woman 1984, where a woman defeats evil, by nicely asking evil to stop being evil.

Also, she rapes a dude.
 
2021-01-11 4:19:16 AM  
I think everyone knew that it was going to be hard for Wonder Woman 1984 to live up to the first 1,983 movies.
 
2021-01-11 6:53:02 AM  

Mike_LowELL: I think everyone knew that it was going to be hard for Wonder Woman 1984 to live up to the first 1,983 movies.


The George Orwell version of Wonder Woman is a little dark for my tastes.
 
2021-01-11 7:09:44 AM  
The best things about that movie:
After her first scene Kristen Wiig stopped being SNL Kristen Wiig and actually acted.
They didn't license "Girls Just Want to Have Fun"
 
2021-01-11 7:15:39 AM  
I've not seen the movie yet, and I've tried to avoid spoiler threads.  But it's not exactly sounding like a good one.

I think IMDB has at at a 5.5 on a 1-10 scale.
 
2021-01-11 8:35:20 AM  

foo monkey: Also, she rapes a dude.


Go on....
 
2021-01-11 8:59:52 AM  

SpectroBoy: foo monkey: Also, she rapes a dude.

Go on....


She didn't use the lasso, which was disappointing.

"You are compelled to tell the truth!"

"Damn those are some fine boobs!"
 
2021-01-11 9:26:04 AM  
It's an...okay film. It would rank down there with Thor:The Dark World if it was a MCU movie.

The rating of about 60% fresh is about accurate, maybe a little generous. Pedro Pascal is pretty damn good in it.

I'm glad I didn't pay to see it.
 
2021-01-11 9:32:26 AM  

Jack Sabbath: It's an...okay film. It would rank down there with Thor:The Dark World if it was a MCU movie.

The rating of about 60% fresh is about accurate, maybe a little generous. Pedro Pascal is pretty damn good in it.

I'm glad I didn't pay to see it.


This'n.

/I watched it during Dry January (aka no booze) and still didn't really remember what I saw.
 
2021-01-11 9:51:16 AM  
After counting five distinct, abrupt tonal shifts, I paused the movie and checked the time.  22 minutes.
 
2021-01-11 9:53:11 AM  
It wasn't a good movie but I wouldn't blame any movie during a pandemic for not doing well.
Meaning all things being equal I have to assume it would have done MUCH better.
 
2021-01-11 9:58:08 AM  

foo monkey: Wonder Woman 1984, where a woman defeats evil, by nicely asking evil to stop being evil.

Also, she rapes a dude.


Maybe the dude had wished to have sex with Gal Gadot, but the Needful Things twist was that he would have no memory of it because his body was possessed.
 
2021-01-11 10:05:55 AM  
i downloaded it
 
2021-01-11 10:08:52 AM  
Wonder Woman 1984 Pitch Meeting
Youtube 4_Tm0SxIp6w
 
2021-01-11 10:20:44 AM  
It was a super hero movie with a super hero plot.  It fit right in with the genre.
 
2021-01-11 10:27:06 AM  
If the pandemic weren't enough there was at least a trailer to warn you about what you were inflicting upon yourself.
 
2021-01-11 10:33:26 AM  

Slow To Return: It was a super hero movie with a super hero plot.  It fit right in with the genre.


Movie!...with actors!
 
2021-01-11 10:36:32 AM  

Slow To Return: It was a super hero movie with a super hero plot.  It fit right in with the genre.


No, it was stupid even for DC.
 
2021-01-11 10:40:01 AM  
Surely they must of seen the unanimous revulsion to that Cats the Musical movie. So who said, "Let's make our villain look exactly like that"?
 
2021-01-11 10:43:50 AM  

Combustion: Slow To Return: It was a super hero movie with a super hero plot.  It fit right in with the genre.

No, it was stupid even for DC.


I didn't say it wasn't stupid.
 
2021-01-11 10:45:22 AM  
If I paid theater prices to take my family, after snacks and parking, I would've walked out of there pissed.
 
2021-01-11 10:47:25 AM  

covfefe: Slow To Return: It was a super hero movie with a super hero plot.  It fit right in with the genre.

Movie!...with actors!


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2021-01-11 10:49:53 AM  
They should have stuck with the working title:  Unforced Errors
 
2021-01-11 10:57:07 AM  

bobug: [YouTube video: Wonder Woman 1984 Pitch Meeting]


WHY do they do that with the eyes? I hate that so much.
 
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2021-01-11 11:07:58 AM  

CarnySaur: foo monkey: Wonder Woman 1984, where a woman defeats evil, by nicely asking evil to stop being evil.

Also, she rapes a dude.

Maybe the dude had wished to have sex with Gal Gadot, but the Needful Things twist was that he would have no memory of it because his body was possessed.


I'm pretty sure I had sex with Gal Gadot, but the aliens that abducted us to be in their Earthling exhibit wiped out the memories. She was probably very disappointed.
 
2021-01-11 11:09:28 AM  

LaBlueSkuld: bobug: [YouTube video: Wonder Woman 1984 Pitch Meeting]

WHY do they do that with the eyes? I hate that so much.


I don't know, but it's ONLY on the teaser frame. (Maybe to tell it apart from other Screen Rant content?) I avoided the videos until I realized that.
 
2021-01-11 11:09:47 AM  

LaBlueSkuld: bobug: [YouTube video: Wonder Woman 1984 Pitch Meeting]

WHY do they do that with the eyes? I hate that so much.


"Anime eyes" in thumbnails statistically get more clicks.  (Same with red circles, and open-mouth "reaction face".  That's why they're everywhere.)

But I think this channel's exaggerated eyes are self-parody, at this point.
 
2021-01-11 11:31:17 AM  
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From the article.

A scene in which a JET spends 4 minutes to transverse a local fireworks exhibition.

I hate the 30 minutes I spent fast-fowarding through this crap...
 
2021-01-11 12:03:12 PM  
End of 2019 we had Cats as the cold open for 2020.

This year we had WW84.

Hold on to your butts, it's going to be a wild ride through 2021.
/This decade is probably totally farked.
 
2021-01-11 12:19:59 PM  

bobug: [YouTube video: Wonder Woman 1984 Pitch Meeting]


The Critical Drinker did it better. Always does
 
2021-01-11 12:30:35 PM  

Boojum2k: End of 2019 we had Cats as the cold open for 2020.

This year we had WW84.

Hold on to your butts, it's going to be a wild ride through 2021.
/This decade is probably totally farked.


Well yeah, but it has more to do with the actual news that happened at the kickoff of 2021. If the worst thing that happened over the last couple months was WW84, we'd be in a much better place right now.
 
2021-01-11 12:52:23 PM  

Jack Sabbath: It's an...okay film. It would rank down there with Thor:The Dark World if it was a MCU movie.

The rating of about 60% fresh is about accurate, maybe a little generous. Pedro Pascal is pretty damn good in it.

I'm glad I didn't pay to see it.


I liked that they were going for camp and not trying to take themselves so seriously (like 90 percent of comic book movies), but there were so many half-baked ideas, too much going on (none of the character arcs were fully realize), and it was about 45 minutes too long.

The most disappointing thing is that a lot of the issues could have easily been fixed with another rewrite.
 
2021-01-11 1:10:06 PM  

Boojum2k: End of 2019 we had Cats as the cold open for 2020.

This year we had WW84.

Hold on to your butts, it's going to be a wild ride through 2021.
/This decade is probably totally farked.


Release the WW84 Butthole Cut!
 
2021-01-11 1:20:17 PM  
The most disappointing thing is that a lot of the issues could have easily been fixed with another rewrite.

I'd mentioned as a joke that Steve could have been a literal ghost, insubstantial and invisible to everyone except Diana, and it wouldn't have changed a single thing except the "changing clothes" montage.

But after playing Cyberpunk where that's pretty much the plot, I think Ghost Steve could have improved the movie.
 
2021-01-11 2:00:38 PM  
foo monkey:

Also, she rapes a dude.

Took me forever to figure out what this meant. Spoilers follow.

She wishes back her now-dead love interest from the first film. He comes back, but in the body of some rando, possessing it or something. It shows him and WW in the same bed in the morning. Presumably they had sex, which could definitely be interpreted as raping the rando.
 
2021-01-11 2:14:12 PM  

Jack Sabbath: It's an...okay film. It would rank down there with Thor:The Dark World if it was a MCU movie.


I just wanna say how irritated I was that, between the weak reviews for that Thor movie and the fact that it was just about impossible to rent (as opposed to buy) on streaming more than a few months after it debuted, I ended up skipping it in theaters and never getting the chance to see it again. So it was the only MCU movie I never saw.

So of course it got an entire extra-emotional scene dedicated to it in Endgame.
 
2021-01-11 2:25:42 PM  

LaBlueSkuld: bobug: [YouTube video: Wonder Woman 1984 Pitch Meeting]

WHY do they do that with the eyes? I hate that so much.


This. I've yet to click anything on their channel due to this treatment.
 
2021-01-11 3:07:34 PM  

skyotter: The most disappointing thing is that a lot of the issues could have easily been fixed with another rewrite.

I'd mentioned as a joke that Steve could have been a literal ghost, insubstantial and invisible to everyone except Diana, and it wouldn't have changed a single thing except the "changing clothes" montage.

But after playing Cyberpunk where that's pretty much the plot, I think Ghost Steve could have improved the movie.


The first guy, who wishes for coffee.  Nothing bad happens to him on screen.

So, instead, have him die somehow, and then, Steve takes over his body from her wish.  Either right when he bites it, or in a morgue with him just sitting up awake startling some poor tech.

It points out the monkeys paw elements sooner AND it deals with the whole...possession angle better, perhaps not great, but still better.

And then...you can ditch the entire Egypt bit, and put in a bunch of stuff with the weird guy from work trying to convince her that he's actually Steve now, for some humor elements or something.
 
2021-01-11 3:12:36 PM  
By the rules the movie sets up for wishing magic, Diana never made a wish.  It's very clearly established that the words "I wish" have to be said.   She just held the rock while thinking of something she wanted.
 
2021-01-11 3:21:01 PM  
I still insist the maker of the Dreamstone should have been Eris. Fits her portfolio far better than it does "the god of lies" (Dolos, by the way, an extremely minor spirit and fairly obscure even for aficionados of Classical Mythology).
 
2021-01-11 3:27:08 PM  

squegeebooo: skyotter: The most disappointing thing is that a lot of the issues could have easily been fixed with another rewrite.

I'd mentioned as a joke that Steve could have been a literal ghost, insubstantial and invisible to everyone except Diana, and it wouldn't have changed a single thing except the "changing clothes" montage.

But after playing Cyberpunk where that's pretty much the plot, I think Ghost Steve could have improved the movie.

The first guy, who wishes for coffee.  Nothing bad happens to him on screen.

So, instead, have him die somehow, and then, Steve takes over his body from her wish.  Either right when he bites it, or in a morgue with him just sitting up awake startling some poor tech.

It points out the monkeys paw elements sooner AND it deals with the whole...possession angle better, perhaps not great, but still better.

And then...you can ditch the entire Egypt bit, and put in a bunch of stuff with the weird guy from work trying to convince her that he's actually Steve now, for some humor elements or something.


Would have been a better way to handle it, but then Diana would both have to deal with New Steve looking like her slightly obnoxious co-worker. Plus you also wouldn't be able to have the movie ending with her meeting the actual guy on the street somewhere.
 
2021-01-11 3:37:37 PM  

Alphax: I've not seen the movie yet, and I've tried to avoid spoiler threads.  But it's not exactly sounding like a good one.

I think IMDB has at at a 5.5 on a 1-10 scale.


It's the second movie I walked* out of in the last ten years.  Same reason, garbage villain.  I've had enough for pissant conmen IRL these last four years, I don't need to see one in a movie.

*the walk was much shorter this time, as we were watching it in the entertainment room, not a theater.  My wife toughed it out.
 
2021-01-11 4:08:09 PM  

skyotter: After counting five distinct, abrupt tonal shifts, I paused the movie and checked the time.  22 minutes.


I have it on my computer, and keep getting distracted and stopping it. Thats usually a sign that I just don't care. I'm less than an hour in, and its been about a week. Not a good sign.

It's not *bad* but it is entirely forgettable and not at all worth it unless you have nothing else to do with 2 hours of your time
 
2021-01-11 4:19:47 PM  
Some spoilerific complaints about the movie that I'd like to vent about:

-Steve somehow knows exactly how to fly a modernish jet, with only very few problems, completely because he was a pilot in WWI.

-The "your most prized possession is taken from you in exchange for your wish" thing is explained too late in the film. Way past the point of it being an intriguing mystery, it starts to get confusing and annoying before what's going on is finally made clear.

-Speaking of that, other people start losing what they exchanged for their wish instantly, whereas Diana seems to gradually lose hers over a few days.

-The granting of the wishes starts out in a clever, halfway-plausible sort of way. The one guy gets a coffee because the intern got too many. The villain's enemy that he wished for the destruction of is raided by the IRS. Then suddenly all that cleverness goes out the window when the Arab ruler wishes for his people's historical kingdom back and farking giant miles-long walls pop out of the farking ground.

-Probably what annoyed me the most: There is literal farking chaos in the streets maybe halfway into the movie, seemingly only because kind of a lot of wishes have been granted and, I dunno, that upsets the balance of things or something. Plus, everyone knows you save chaos in the streets for the climax of a movie. Having it going on constantly for half the film kind of wears out how serious it's supposed to be.

-Diana somehow knows how to fly just because she changed her mentality about it or someshiat.

-Cheetah woman just made the story overloaded, a la the excess of villains in Raimi's Spider-Man 3.

-The whole "they have to be touching the stone/the guy who has become the stone to get their wish" thing is subverted at the climax because the satellite signal is "touching" people or somesuch horseshiat.

-Literally farking everyone gives up their wish at the climax. Out of however many billion TV-watching people there were in 1984, not a single one holds out on their wish.
 
2021-01-11 4:25:25 PM  

Fireproof: Some spoilerific complaints about the movie that I'd like to vent about:

-Steve somehow knows exactly how to fly a modernish jet, with only very few problems, completely because he was a pilot in WWI.

-The "your most prized possession is taken from you in exchange for your wish" thing is explained too late in the film. Way past the point of it being an intriguing mystery, it starts to get confusing and annoying before what's going on is finally made clear.

-Speaking of that, other people start losing what they exchanged for their wish instantly, whereas Diana seems to gradually lose hers over a few days.

-The granting of the wishes starts out in a clever, halfway-plausible sort of way. The one guy gets a coffee because the intern got too many. The villain's enemy that he wished for the destruction of is raided by the IRS. Then suddenly all that cleverness goes out the window when the Arab ruler wishes for his people's historical kingdom back and farking giant miles-long walls pop out of the farking ground.

-Probably what annoyed me the most: There is literal farking chaos in the streets maybe halfway into the movie, seemingly only because kind of a lot of wishes have been granted and, I dunno, that upsets the balance of things or something. Plus, everyone knows you save chaos in the streets for the climax of a movie. Having it going on constantly for half the film kind of wears out how serious it's supposed to be.

-Diana somehow knows how to fly just because she changed her mentality about it or someshiat.

-Cheetah woman just made the story overloaded, a la the excess of villains in Raimi's Spider-Man 3.

-The whole "they have to be touching the stone/the guy who has become the stone to get their wish" thing is subverted at the climax because the satellite signal is "touching" people or somesuch horseshiat.

-Literally farking everyone gives up their wish at the climax. Out of however many billion TV-watching people there were in 1984, not a single one holds ...


Confession: I had help remembering all of the things that annoyed me about it because The Editing Room's comedic analysis of it recently went up.

/Hosted on Cracked, but written by The Editing Room, a totally different site.
//I actually didn't steal anything from them that I didn't notice on my own when I was it.
///Not a horrible movie, just a letdown from the trailer and the previous movie.
 
2021-01-11 4:35:53 PM  

Hendawg: bobug: [YouTube video: Wonder Woman 1984 Pitch Meeting]

The Critical Drinker did it better. Always does



Critical Drinker has the same problem a lot of Youtubers do: some genuinely insightful criticism, but it's couched in some seriously ugly extremist conservatism.  Mauler is the same way.
 
2021-01-11 7:20:35 PM  

CarnySaur: foo monkey: Wonder Woman 1984, where a woman defeats evil, by nicely asking evil to stop being evil.

Also, she rapes a dude.

Maybe the dude had wished to have sex with Gal Gadot, but the Needful Things twist was that he would have no memory of it because his body was possessed.


Give that man a No Prize!
 
2021-01-11 7:50:46 PM  

Fireproof: -The "your most prized possession is taken from you in exchange for your wish" thing is explained too late in the film. Way past the point of it being an intriguing mystery, it starts to get confusing and annoying before what's going on is finally made clear.


It never was a mystery. That entire bit was just a rehash of "The Monkey's Paw," one of the most overtold stories in literature.
 
2021-01-11 9:12:04 PM  

stoli n coke: Fireproof: -The "your most prized possession is taken from you in exchange for your wish" thing is explained too late in the film. Way past the point of it being an intriguing mystery, it starts to get confusing and annoying before what's going on is finally made clear.

It never was a mystery. That entire bit was just a rehash of "The Monkey's Paw," one of the most overtold stories in literature.



it's weird that they make a big deal out of Pascal caring about his son at the end the of movie....yet his "most prized possession" didn't deal with his son dying or anything.
 
2021-01-11 9:22:58 PM  

mekkab: Jack Sabbath: It's an...okay film. It would rank down there with Thor:The Dark World if it was a MCU movie.

The rating of about 60% fresh is about accurate, maybe a little generous. Pedro Pascal is pretty damn good in it.

I'm glad I didn't pay to see it.

This'n.

/I watched it during Dry January (aka no booze) and still didn't really remember what I saw.


It's still January
 
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