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(CBC)   Federal government poised to list proud boys as a terrorist group. No, not that federal government. The politer one   (cbc.ca) divider line
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2021-01-10 7:38:38 PM  
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2021-01-10 9:02:02 PM  
Great, then Biden can deport Gavin and they can lock him in a polite jail forever.
 
2021-01-10 9:09:08 PM  
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2021-01-10 9:47:58 PM  
Good
 
2021-01-10 10:12:03 PM  
Serious question here. If Proud Boys are in Canada causing enough trouble to be declared a terrorist group, does that make them an international organization? What effect would that have on how the US investigates and prosecutes them?
 
2021-01-10 10:27:29 PM  
Ha! I was gonna submit this article with this headline...

The country that spawned the Proud Boys is now considering listing them as a terrorist organization. You can keep Beiber too

I bloody well hope they do it.

We don't need that sh*t up here.
 
2021-01-10 10:30:08 PM  

felching pen: Serious question here. If Proud Boys are in Canada causing enough trouble to be declared a terrorist group, does that make them an international organization? What effect would that have on how the US investigates and prosecutes them?


You have at least two years to figure it out.

Betwixt attempting to remove various malicious wrenches in the machinery.
 
2021-01-10 11:57:03 PM  
Finally a green one:  This has been long overdue.
 
2021-01-11 1:52:42 AM  
I would bet that the American government will follow suit on January 21, 2021.
 
2021-01-11 2:00:37 AM  

felching pen: Serious question here. If Proud Boys are in Canada causing enough trouble to be declared a terrorist group, does that make them an international organization? What effect would that have on how the US investigates and prosecutes them?


They aren't Scary Mooselimbs or evil commies, so....
 
2021-01-11 2:00:56 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: I would bet that the American government will follow suit on January 21, 2021.


We listed antifa and they don't even exist!

/carebear cousins better watch their shiat
 
2021-01-11 2:02:12 AM  
So does that make the Calgary Stampede an insurrection rally?
 
2021-01-11 2:04:28 AM  

Ishkur: So does that make the Calgary Stampede an insurrection rally?


Well after the cattle parade there IS a lot of bullcrap spread about...
 
2021-01-11 2:06:59 AM  
What would even be the argument against doing so?
 
2021-01-11 2:11:03 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: I would bet that the American government will follow suit on January 21, 2021.


They won't, basically because they can't. Being designated a "Terrorist Organization" can only be applied to foreign organizations, by definition, and such things are handled through the State Department, not the Justice Department.

That's part of why Trump's threat to label "antifa" (aside from the fact that it isn't a single cohesive group but an ideology) such never held any real threat.
 
2021-01-11 2:22:35 AM  
I answer my phone "kill your self" to demoralize the inmates doing the phone spamming they're using to prevent terrorists from using them
 
2021-01-11 2:23:50 AM  

austerity101: What would even be the argument against doing so?


Felonious terrorists can't vote and the conservatives aren't interested in disenfranchising a segment of their base.

/also, as is mandatory for all Canadian comments, I nearly forgot to mention: Alberta sucks because they kicked my dog
//felonious terrorists isn't my 3rd wave ska garage band and you shouldn't download their mp3s
 
2021-01-11 2:26:04 AM  

felching pen: Serious question here. If Proud Boys are in Canada causing enough trouble to be declared a terrorist group, does that make them an international organization? What effect would that have on how the US investigates and prosecutes them?


i don't know what DOJ counter-terrorism prosecutor would be slumming it on here, but criminal laws are purposefully written broadly, and anti-terrorism laws aren't much different. The biggest difference between the statutory definition of domestic terrorism and international terrorism is, you guessed it, whether the crimes occur inside or outside the U.S.

Could you call the Proud Boys an international terrorist group? Yeah. Does it make a difference when charging them with conspiracy, providing material support to terrorists, battery, assault, murder, etc? Not really.

Biggest difference is the moniker "international terrorism" can be applied if they break either our law or their country's law. That could open up, say, a 'material support' charge for a group that's breaking a law that doesn't exist in the U.S.

More here:
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-wor​k​/analysis-opinion/why-new-laws-arent-n​eeded-take-domestic-terrorism-more-ser​iously

Anti-terrorism statute chapter: https://www.law.cornell.edu/​uscode/tex​t/18/part-I/chapter-113B
 
2021-01-11 2:28:22 AM  
Canada declaring an organization to be a terrorist organization carries some heavy world-wide penalties. Any and all assets are subject to freeze/confiscation. Any support, direct or indirect, can cause the supporter to also be subject to asset freeze and confiscation. Because this is Canada, virtually every nation in the world will automatically support this without question. Canada has spent the last 20 years helping build the network of anti-terrorism treaties.

No bank, no airline, no credit card, no telephone, no job, no purchases, no anything from any company that has any activity in Canada or any other country Canada has a treaty with (basically all countries that matter). That will happen to every known Proud Boy and associate even if the US doesn't do anything.
 
2021-01-11 2:35:04 AM  
We're proud, eh?
 
2021-01-11 2:54:35 AM  

moothemagiccow: i don't know what DOJ counter-terrorism prosecutor would be slumming it on here, but criminal laws are purposefully written broadly, and anti-terrorism laws aren't much different. The biggest difference between the statutory definition of domestic terrorism and international terrorism is, you guessed it, whether the crimes occur inside or outside the U.S.


No, terrorism now in the US is if you are a foreign terrorist or assisting them with terrorist crimes in the US. There are no domestic terrorism laws otherwise.
 
2021-01-11 2:58:10 AM  
moothemagiccow:

Oh and BTW, I curse you to the deepest darkest parts of Hell. I just updated my profile to detail exactly what I think about religion, see if you can quote one thing from it to argue with.
 
2021-01-11 3:04:25 AM  

felching pen: Serious question here. If Proud Boys are in Canada causing enough trouble to be declared a terrorist group, does that make them an international organization? What effect would that have on how the US investigates and prosecutes them?


No, they are not international.

That's kind of the problem with terrorist organizations like Al Qaeda, and why we always hear about "Al Qaeda in X", or "Group Y, an Al Qaeda affiliate". These organizations are not multinationals like a company or drug cartel or even the Catholic Church, run in a top down hierarchy. They are nationally (and often regionally) based, though following similar inspirational philosophy and frequently the words of a single set of leaders. However, you could go all the way through the hierarchy for PB-CDN and PB and find little to actually connect the two more than you'd find between two regional gangs. They might pass money or material between each other, but there's no responsibility flowing either way.
 
2021-01-11 4:38:57 AM  

johnphantom: moothemagiccow:

Oh and BTW, I curse you to the deepest darkest parts of Hell. I just updated my profile to detail exactly what I think about religion, see if you can quote one thing from it to argue with.


I read it, and if the Christian God appeared before me today, I would obviously believe in him/it, but I would also tell him/it to go to hell and die because he/it is a being that is sociopathic and evil with zero moral compass.
 
2021-01-11 4:48:02 AM  
I didn't realize that Gavin McInnes was one of my countrymen. How embarrassing. Sorry about that.
 
2021-01-11 8:19:39 AM  
Looks like their dream is finally coming true.
No longer will they have to anally violate themselves, the government will help!
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/well well well if it isn't the consequences of my own actions.
//Nelson haw haw
///Slashies
 
2021-01-11 11:26:11 AM  

johnphantom: moothemagiccow:

Oh and BTW, I curse you to the deepest darkest parts of Hell. I just updated my profile to detail exactly what I think about religion, see if you can quote one thing from it to argue with.


wut
 
2021-01-11 1:10:37 PM  

johnphantom: moothemagiccow: i don't know what DOJ counter-terrorism prosecutor would be slumming it on here, but criminal laws are purposefully written broadly, and anti-terrorism laws aren't much different. The biggest difference between the statutory definition of domestic terrorism and international terrorism is, you guessed it, whether the crimes occur inside or outside the U.S.

No, terrorism now in the US is if you are a foreign terrorist or assisting them with terrorist crimes in the US. There are no domestic terrorism laws otherwise.


This is not just wrong, it's ignorant.
 
2021-01-11 1:39:26 PM  

moothemagiccow: johnphantom: moothemagiccow: i don't know what DOJ counter-terrorism prosecutor would be slumming it on here, but criminal laws are purposefully written broadly, and anti-terrorism laws aren't much different. The biggest difference between the statutory definition of domestic terrorism and international terrorism is, you guessed it, whether the crimes occur inside or outside the U.S.

No, terrorism now in the US is if you are a foreign terrorist or assisting them with terrorist crimes in the US. There are no domestic terrorism laws otherwise.

This is not just wrong, it's ignorant.


Name one domestic terrorism law then.
 
2021-01-11 3:19:53 PM  

johnphantom: moothemagiccow: johnphantom: moothemagiccow: i don't know what DOJ counter-terrorism prosecutor would be slumming it on here, but criminal laws are purposefully written broadly, and anti-terrorism laws aren't much different. The biggest difference between the statutory definition of domestic terrorism and international terrorism is, you guessed it, whether the crimes occur inside or outside the U.S.

No, terrorism now in the US is if you are a foreign terrorist or assisting them with terrorist crimes in the US. There are no domestic terrorism laws otherwise.

This is not just wrong, it's ignorant.

Name one domestic terrorism law then.


It's been more than an hour. I knew you would not be back because you knew you couldn't post anything that is a domestic terrorism law.

Who is the ignorant one?
 
2021-01-11 9:51:30 PM  

johnphantom: moothemagiccow: i don't know what DOJ counter-terrorism prosecutor would be slumming it on here, but criminal laws are purposefully written broadly, and anti-terrorism laws aren't much different. The biggest difference between the statutory definition of domestic terrorism and international terrorism is, you guessed it, whether the crimes occur inside or outside the U.S.

No, terrorism now in the US is if you are a foreign terrorist or assisting them with terrorist crimes in the US. There are no domestic terrorism laws otherwise.


Under current United States law, set forth in the USA PATRIOT Act, acts of domestic terrorism are those which: "(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; (B) appear to be intended - (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States."

You are incorrect.
 
2021-01-12 9:16:59 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: johnphantom: moothemagiccow: i don't know what DOJ counter-terrorism prosecutor would be slumming it on here, but criminal laws are purposefully written broadly, and anti-terrorism laws aren't much different. The biggest difference between the statutory definition of domestic terrorism and international terrorism is, you guessed it, whether the crimes occur inside or outside the U.S.

No, terrorism now in the US is if you are a foreign terrorist or assisting them with terrorist crimes in the US. There are no domestic terrorism laws otherwise.

Under current United States law, set forth in the USA PATRIOT Act, acts of domestic terrorism are those which: "(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; (B) appear to be intended - (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States."

You are incorrect.


Am I really? You are incorrect:

THE NEED FOR A SPECIFIC LAW AGAINST DOMESTIC TERRORISM AMY C. COLLINS September 2020 https://extremism.gwu.edu/sites/g/fil​e​s/zaxdzs2191/f/The%20Need%20for%20a%20​Specific%20Law%20Against%20Domestic%20​Terrorism.pdf
 
2021-01-12 9:18:40 AM  

johnphantom: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: johnphantom: moothemagiccow: i don't know what DOJ counter-terrorism prosecutor would be slumming it on here, but criminal laws are purposefully written broadly, and anti-terrorism laws aren't much different. The biggest difference between the statutory definition of domestic terrorism and international terrorism is, you guessed it, whether the crimes occur inside or outside the U.S.

No, terrorism now in the US is if you are a foreign terrorist or assisting them with terrorist crimes in the US. There are no domestic terrorism laws otherwise.

Under current United States law, set forth in the USA PATRIOT Act, acts of domestic terrorism are those which: "(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; (B) appear to be intended - (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States."

You are incorrect.

Am I really? You are incorrect:

THE NEED FOR A SPECIFIC LAW AGAINST DOMESTIC TERRORISM AMY C. COLLINS September 2020 https://extremism.gwu.edu/sites/g/file​s/zaxdzs2191/f/The%20Need%20for%20a%20​Specific%20Law%20Against%20Domestic%20​Terrorism.pdf


Oh and one other thing if you think I am wrong, what is the farking effect?
 
2021-01-12 9:47:18 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: No, terrorism now in the US is if you are a foreign terrorist or assisting them with terrorist crimes in the US. There are no domestic terrorism laws otherwise.


Under current United States law, set forth in the USA PATRIOT Act, acts of domestic terrorism are those which: "(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; (B) appear to be intended - (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States."

You are incorrect.


Actually I have to come back to this because you gave me respect, what I am saying is what teeth does that law above have, and what does it describe to do about it? None, and nothing. It is not a real law.
 
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