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2021-01-10 7:39:05 AM  
The underground Toronto pizza reviewing racket?  I think this was a subplot on Bad Blood.
 
2021-01-10 8:43:36 AM  
uhm, who DOES use the word "pie" to OFTEN refer to pizza?


i've seen it in cartoon-like characterizations of italian-americans (which can be borderline offensive/totally offensive).

i've seen it in reference to "tomato pie" in new jersey, rhode island, and MAYBE parts of canada (apparently not toronto)... which is truly a different dish than "pizza".


and, perhaps, some of those heathens in NYC?


but, in most of the USA, if people say "hey, let's get a pie!" they are talking a sweet dessert.....
 
2021-01-10 11:03:22 AM  

luna1580: uhm, who DOES use the word "pie" to OFTEN refer to pizza?


i've seen it in cartoon-like characterizations of italian-americans (which can be borderline offensive/totally offensive).

i've seen it in reference to "tomato pie" in new jersey, rhode island, and MAYBE parts of canada (apparently not toronto)... which is truly a different dish than "pizza".


and, perhaps, some of those heathens in NYC?


but, in most of the USA, if people say "hey, let's get a pie!" they are talking a sweet dessert.....



new york does.  can't call most other areas' stuff pizza anyway, so why bother calling it a pie either
 
2021-01-10 11:15:38 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: luna1580: uhm, who DOES use the word "pie" to OFTEN refer to pizza?


i've seen it in cartoon-like characterizations of italian-americans (which can be borderline offensive/totally offensive).

i've seen it in reference to "tomato pie" in new jersey, rhode island, and MAYBE parts of canada (apparently not toronto)... which is truly a different dish than "pizza".


and, perhaps, some of those heathens in NYC?


but, in most of the USA, if people say "hey, let's get a pie!" they are talking a sweet dessert.....


new york does.  can't call most other areas' stuff pizza anyway, so why bother calling it a pie either


As I understand it, Noo Yawkers call a whole pizza a 'pie' to differentiate it from a 'slice'.
 
2021-01-10 11:17:12 AM  
And woe be to any who call it 'za.
 
2021-01-10 11:18:16 AM  
Is it all like this? Maple bacon pizza?
https://www.thursdaynightpizza.com/ma​p​le-bacon-pizza/
 
2021-01-10 11:30:39 AM  
Toronto Roma tomato torts rated? Trippy
 
2021-01-10 11:33:26 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Dead for Tax Reasons: luna1580: uhm, who DOES use the word "pie" to OFTEN refer to pizza?


i've seen it in cartoon-like characterizations of italian-americans (which can be borderline offensive/totally offensive).

i've seen it in reference to "tomato pie" in new jersey, rhode island, and MAYBE parts of canada (apparently not toronto)... which is truly a different dish than "pizza".


and, perhaps, some of those heathens in NYC?


but, in most of the USA, if people say "hey, let's get a pie!" they are talking a sweet dessert.....


new york does.  can't call most other areas' stuff pizza anyway, so why bother calling it a pie either

As I understand it, Noo Yawkers call a whole pizza a 'pie' to differentiate it from a 'slice'.


no, we call a slice a slice to differentiate it from a whole pie
 
2021-01-10 11:41:17 AM  

luna1580: uhm, who DOES use the word "pie" to OFTEN refer to pizza?


i've seen it in cartoon-like characterizations of italian-americans (which can be borderline offensive/totally offensive).

i've seen it in reference to "tomato pie" in new jersey, rhode island, and MAYBE parts of canada (apparently not toronto)... which is truly a different dish than "pizza".


and, perhaps, some of those heathens in NYC?


but, in most of the USA, if people say "hey, let's get a pie!" they are talking a sweet dessert.....


I will occasionally hear "pie" in NJ, but it's usually pizza. On the other hand, I'd like to know where all these people calling it "tomato pie", because I've lived here my whole life and never seen *anything* called that, except jokingly referring to a vegan who used to get cheese-less pizza.
 
2021-01-10 11:53:09 AM  
Here's my latest pizza which was an homage to Frank Pepe's famous white clam pizza.  Came out OK considering I don't have a coal fired oven that is around 650 degrees and I was too lazy to fire up the Big Green Egg.

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Homemade pizza dough with Caputo 00 flour.  The ingredients for the toppings were simple:  Cherrystone clams, fresh chopped garlic, oregano, grated Pecorino-Romano and drizzled with olive oil.
 
2021-01-10 11:53:33 AM  

grumpfuff: luna1580: uhm, who DOES use the word "pie" to OFTEN refer to pizza?


i've seen it in cartoon-like characterizations of italian-americans (which can be borderline offensive/totally offensive).

i've seen it in reference to "tomato pie" in new jersey, rhode island, and MAYBE parts of canada (apparently not toronto)... which is truly a different dish than "pizza".


and, perhaps, some of those heathens in NYC?


but, in most of the USA, if people say "hey, let's get a pie!" they are talking a sweet dessert.....

I will occasionally hear "pie" in NJ, but it's usually pizza. On the other hand, I'd like to know where all these people calling it "tomato pie", because I've lived here my whole life and never seen *anything* called that, except jokingly referring to a vegan who used to get cheese-less pizza.


My parents used to call it a tomato pie back in the 60s. They would bring one back for us kids to eat from either VICS or Pete and Elda's when they had been  away all day at the race track. We loved it.
 
2021-01-10 12:00:16 PM  
I just wanted to post a picture of the pizza
 
2021-01-10 12:09:35 PM  
Tomato pie is an unholy cross between Chicago-style pizza and focaccia.  I've traveled in 49 of 50 states, plus Puerto Rico and Guam, and have never actually seen one.
 
2021-01-10 12:24:04 PM  
I think you're only allowed to say "pie" if you're the kind of person who is also allowed to say, "hey! I'm walkin' here!"

natazha: Tomato pie is an unholy cross between Chicago-style pizza and focaccia.  I've traveled in 49 of 50 states, plus Puerto Rico and Guam, and have never actually seen one.


unholy, indeed. in which case... make sure never to come to Ravenholm ...er, Philadelphia. $mai_waifu's parents love that abomination. thankfully, she does not. there are literally tables with stacks of the vile things, "Tony's Famous Tomato Pie" seems the most popular, just inside all the supermarche entrances.

I can understand that people are lactose-intolerant, or vegan, or other reasons. (although hating cheese? invalid, incorrect. makes me want to start nailing people up on crosses.) - if I sometimes want a nice plain herbed focaccia? lovely! so light and satisfying. but otherwise? there damnwell better be cheese, lol.
 
2021-01-10 12:30:49 PM  

BunkyBrewman: I just wanted to post a picture of the pizza


and I appreciate that you did! that farking looks and sounds gorgeous! I am loving that char.

maaan, now all's I can think about is white pizza.

/haven't eaten yet today
//too lazy to do anything like waiting for dough to proof
///hmm... delivery garlic white Sicilian?
\V although I seem to recall they only do subpar skrimps, not clams
V mmm cherrystones
 
2021-01-10 12:32:11 PM  
Needs more pineapple.
 
2021-01-10 12:45:53 PM  
Hey, it's another hyperlocal food thing! What's next, will it be Chicago, will it be LA, will be Des Moines?

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Wake me when I can drive less than 5 miles to eat it. Even then you're asking a lot.
 
2021-01-10 12:55:54 PM  
y.yarn.co
 
2021-01-10 1:49:44 PM  
No one should call it a pie because it's not a farking pie. You may as well call it a sandwich. Pies are made of pastry and have a lid. Pizzas are bread and don't.

Pies that don't have lids are tarts.
 
2021-01-10 2:00:36 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Is it all like this? Maple bacon pizza?
https://www.thursdaynightpizza.com/map​le-bacon-pizza/


oh wow, slap a runny egg on that and your favorite cheddar, add hot honey, or extra maple, or plain louisiana hot sauce, eat like a king!

add sliced avocado at the table. dip it in ranch. or garlic butter. or salsa verde instead of anything sweet. go nuts! ooooo! -or add mild goat cheese and nuts!

is it "really" "pizza"? who really cares? it would be a yummy flatbread!
 
2021-01-10 2:13:59 PM  

natazha: Tomato pie is an unholy cross between Chicago-style pizza and focaccia.  I've traveled in 49 of 50 states, plus Puerto Rico and Guam, and have never actually seen one.


that's actually based on a misconception that "chicago style" has a thick, fluffy, "pizza bread" crust. it does not.

it either is the thin and crispy (but not "an actual cracker, crispy" like st. louis) square cut tavern style, OR a thin crust with an inch+ of pure cheese and toppings!

that "focaccia crust" of "tomato pie" is an american version of an actual sicilian thing (to which detroit style is also closely related) like this:

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that's ok, i love almost ALL "pizzas" of the world 😊
 
2021-01-10 2:17:21 PM  
I had to look up where calling it a "pie" came from.  Short answer is that when Italian immigrants brighter it to USA, Americans had never heard of a pizza before, so it was described as being like a pie.  Cut it in slices, similar to an English tomato pie, etc.  Basically turning the unfamiliar into something familiar.

https://www.crustkingdom.com/why-is-pi​zza-called-pie/#:~:text=Pizza%20was%20​first%20called%20pie,English%20name%20​%E2%80%9Ctomato%20pie%E2%80%9D.
 
2021-01-10 3:19:05 PM  
[reads thread] So... an ad agency from New York wrote this listicle.

As a Torontonian, I offer this local song that makes fun of New York's status as a place for poseurs:

The Demics - New York City
Youtube wwfkpW63Nj8
 
2021-01-10 3:21:32 PM  
DAMN is that a snobby site. I've lived in Toronto all my life and I've only heard of one of those restaurants (Il Fornello).
 
2021-01-10 3:22:33 PM  
"When the moon hits your eye, like a bigga pizza pie, that's amore!
 
2021-01-10 3:27:30 PM  

Swiss Colony: No one should call it a pie because it's not a farking pie. You may as well call it a sandwich. Pies are made of pastry and have a lid. Pizzas are bread and don't.

Pies that don't have lids are tarts.


Cottage pie?
 
2021-01-10 3:43:33 PM  
That was a ad for her Instagram friends.
 
2021-01-10 4:09:46 PM  
Narcity? Really? The only thing to draw from this blog post is that these restaurants paid to appear on the list.
Narcity is scum.
 
2021-01-10 4:58:59 PM  
I've never used the word "pie" to refer to pizza. I didn't find out that it was more than a tiny minority until ... this thread.

I think of it as a doofism. (A doofus neologism. You were here at its birth. Tell your friends.)
 
2021-01-10 5:13:29 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: That was a ad for her Instagram friends.


that, and my immediate thought from the selfie was, "look how hawt I am in this goofy pose!!!" attention-whoring.
 
2021-01-10 5:29:01 PM  

yakmans_dad: I've never used the word "pie" to refer to pizza. I didn't find out that it was more than a tiny minority until ... this thread.

I think of it as a doofism. (A doofus neologism. You were here at its birth. Tell your friends.)


I first encountered the term in the late '80s or early '90s. In a compilation of old Mad Magazines.

And I've found a Tweet about it; the issue with that article was apparently published in 1958:

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So, not so much of a neologism.

/There are two other pages in the Tweet I've linked, too.
 
2021-01-10 5:53:41 PM  

iron de havilland: yakmans_dad: I've never used the word "pie" to refer to pizza. I didn't find out that it was more than a tiny minority until ... this thread.

I think of it as a doofism. (A doofus neologism. You were here at its birth. Tell your friends.)

I first encountered the term in the late '80s or early '90s. In a compilation of old Mad Magazines.

And I've found a Tweet about it; the issue with that article was apparently published in 1958:

[Fark user image 850x1126]

So, not so much of a neologism.

/There are two other pages in the Tweet I've linked, too.


I don't mean the compound "pizza pie". I mean the reduction to "pie". Pie is apple pie, cherry pie, etc. Standalone use of "pie" to mean pizza pie is [as I so aptly put it] a doofism.

[now I get to drag in a family joke]

The grey haired patriarch of my wife's family would say after the offer of pie after the Christmas and Thanksgiving meal, "I only like 2 kinds of pie." Pause.

"What kind are those, Daddy?"

"Hot pie and cold pie".

I heard that story, twice yearly. for over 30 years. Each time it was told, the ancients would laugh at it.

Now I'm telling it to you all.

We really don't progress, do we?
 
2021-01-10 5:55:51 PM  

rillettes: Narcity? Really? The only thing to draw from this blog post is that these restaurants paid to appear on the list.
Narcity is scum.


Narcity: omg rent crisis, why are there so few apartments?

Also Narcity: WOAH CHECK OUT THESE AWESOME AIRBNB SITES IN THE HEART OF DOWNTOWN, I wonder where they came from?
 
2021-01-10 5:59:22 PM  

luna1580: uhm, who DOES use the word "pie" to OFTEN refer to pizza?


i've seen it in cartoon-like characterizations of italian-americans (which can be borderline offensive/totally offensive).

i've seen it in reference to "tomato pie" in new jersey, rhode island, and MAYBE parts of canada (apparently not toronto)... which is truly a different dish than "pizza".


and, perhaps, some of those heathens in NYC?


but, in most of the USA, if people say "hey, let's get a pie!" they are talking a sweet dessert.....


East coast. I think the term is dying, though.
 
2021-01-10 6:13:37 PM  

yakmans_dad: iron de havilland: yakmans_dad: I've never used the word "pie" to refer to pizza. I didn't find out that it was more than a tiny minority until ... this thread.

I think of it as a doofism. (A doofus neologism. You were here at its birth. Tell your friends.)

I first encountered the term in the late '80s or early '90s. In a compilation of old Mad Magazines.

And I've found a Tweet about it; the issue with that article was apparently published in 1958:

[Fark user image 850x1126]

So, not so much of a neologism.

/There are two other pages in the Tweet I've linked, too.

I don't mean the compound "pizza pie". I mean the reduction to "pie". Pie is apple pie, cherry pie, etc. Standalone use of "pie" to mean pizza pie is [as I so aptly put it] a doofism.

[now I get to drag in a family joke]

The grey haired patriarch of my wife's family would say after the offer of pie after the Christmas and Thanksgiving meal, "I only like 2 kinds of pie." Pause.

"What kind are those, Daddy?"

"Hot pie and cold pie".

I heard that story, twice yearly. for over 30 years. Each time it was told, the ancients would laugh at it.

Now I'm telling it to you all.

We really don't progress, do we?


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ny times, 1944
 
2021-01-10 6:36:38 PM  

WordsnCollision: DAMN is that a snobby site. I've lived in Toronto all my life and I've only heard of one of those restaurants (Il Fornello).


I'm sad that we lost Magic Oven.
 
2021-01-10 6:58:11 PM  

luna1580: natazha: Tomato pie is an unholy cross between Chicago-style pizza and focaccia.  I've traveled in 49 of 50 states, plus Puerto Rico and Guam, and have never actually seen one.

that's actually based on a misconception that "chicago style" has a thick, fluffy, "pizza bread" crust. it does not.

it either is the thin and crispy (but not "an actual cracker, crispy" like st. louis) square cut tavern style, OR a thin crust with an inch+ of pure cheese and toppings!

that "focaccia crust" of "tomato pie" is an american version of an actual sicilian thing (to which detroit style is also closely related) like this:

[Fark user image 496x337]

that's ok, i love almost ALL "pizzas" of the world 😊


Despite being raised within spitting distance (wind permitting) of Chicago, I had never heard of Chicago-style until I moved to New Jersey.

Nor have I ever seen a Chicago-style hotdog.

Italian Beef is the food I associate with Chicago.
 
2021-01-10 7:26:18 PM  
List fails without the duck poutine pizza from Bannock

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2021-01-10 7:53:39 PM  

BigTimber: List fails without the duck poutine pizza from Bannock

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Count me in!
 
2021-01-10 8:09:49 PM  

yakmans_dad: I don't mean the compound "pizza pie". I mean the reduction to "pie". Pie is apple pie, cherry pie, etc. Standalone use of "pie" to mean pizza pie is [as I so aptly put it] a doofism.


But the picture of the Mad Magazine article I posted talks about pizzas as pies, too, without prefixing it with "pizza".

/Besides, in my local vernacular, "pie", unqualified, tends to refer to savoury pies.
 
2021-01-10 8:13:03 PM  
Ok. College buddy of mine from New Jersey. He used the term "Pie" to differentiate between a slice and a whole....pie.
 
2021-01-10 9:01:27 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: yakmans_dad: iron de havilland: yakmans_dad: I've never used the word "pie" to refer to pizza. I didn't find out that it was more than a tiny minority until ... this thread.

I think of it as a doofism. (A doofus neologism. You were here at its birth. Tell your friends.)

I first encountered the term in the late '80s or early '90s. In a compilation of old Mad Magazines.

And I've found a Tweet about it; the issue with that article was apparently published in 1958:

[Fark user image 850x1126]

So, not so much of a neologism.

/There are two other pages in the Tweet I've linked, too.

I don't mean the compound "pizza pie". I mean the reduction to "pie". Pie is apple pie, cherry pie, etc. Standalone use of "pie" to mean pizza pie is [as I so aptly put it] a doofism.

[now I get to drag in a family joke]

The grey haired patriarch of my wife's family would say after the offer of pie after the Christmas and Thanksgiving meal, "I only like 2 kinds of pie." Pause.

"What kind are those, Daddy?"

"Hot pie and cold pie".

I heard that story, twice yearly. for over 30 years. Each time it was told, the ancients would laugh at it.

Now I'm telling it to you all.

We really don't progress, do we?

[Fark user image 460x241]

ny times, 1944


I think you understand.
 
2021-01-10 9:12:05 PM  

Chinesenookiefactory: Ok. College buddy of mine from New Jersey. He used the term "Pie" to differentiate between a slice and a whole....pie.


We say "pizza" and "slice." And pizza slices. What od you want for dinner? Pizza. What are you eating? Pizza. A pizza. Can I have some? Sure. How many slices? Do we have enough? Yes we have two pizzas.

I feel like "pie" makes it a whole other language. It's such a distant dialect. Yes we have two pies????? Whaaaat?
 
2021-01-10 9:18:58 PM  

Chinesenookiefactory: Ok. College buddy of mine from New Jersey. He used the term "Pie" to differentiate between a slice and a whole....pie.


In most of NJ, it's simple.

"Hey, let's grab a slice for lunch."

"I don't want to go out, want to order a pizza?"

Pie is mostly not used here.
 
2021-01-10 9:26:07 PM  

grumpfuff: Chinesenookiefactory: Ok. College buddy of mine from New Jersey. He used the term "Pie" to differentiate between a slice and a whole....pie.

In most of NJ, it's simple.

"Hey, let's grab a slice for lunch."

"I don't want to go out, want to order a pizza?"

Pie is mostly not used here.


That's what he literally just texted to me. Again, the whole "Split a pie" thing was at least 30 years ago. I haven't heard the term "Pie" referencing a pizza since then. He doesn't say it anymore and I don't know anyone who does.
 
2021-01-10 9:55:20 PM  

natazha: luna1580: natazha: Tomato pie is an unholy cross between Chicago-style pizza and focaccia.  I've traveled in 49 of 50 states, plus Puerto Rico and Guam, and have never actually seen one.

that's actually based on a misconception that "chicago style" has a thick, fluffy, "pizza bread" crust. it does not.

it either is the thin and crispy (but not "an actual cracker, crispy" like st. louis) square cut tavern style, OR a thin crust with an inch+ of pure cheese and toppings!

that "focaccia crust" of "tomato pie" is an american version of an actual sicilian thing (to which detroit style is also closely related) like this:

[Fark user image 496x337]

that's ok, i love almost ALL "pizzas" of the world 😊

Despite being raised within spitting distance (wind permitting) of Chicago, I had never heard of Chicago-style until I moved to New Jersey.

Nor have I ever seen a Chicago-style hotdog.

Italian Beef is the food I associate with Chicago.


huh, my favorite (easy to get in the suburbs) italian beef is portillo's (dipped with sweet peppers). which DEFINITELY features chicago dogs on every menu....but the hidden gem of there is the cheeseburger! $5 fast food burger as good in taste (as most) from a fancy steakhouse!
 
2021-01-10 10:54:41 PM  
thinking about it... I've in fact actually (infrequently, inconsistently) said pie in this context - because my parents-in-law would say, "let's order a white pie" and so through, I d'nno how to call it, transference? abfärben? when I called the pizza place I'd say, "I'd like one large white pie for delivery."

iron de havilland: yakmans_dad: I've never used the word "pie" to refer to pizza. I didn't find out that it was more than a tiny minority until ... this thread.

I think of it as a doofism. (A doofus neologism. You were here at its birth. Tell your friends.)

I first encountered the term in the late '80s or early '90s. In a compilation of old Mad Magazines.

And I've found a Tweet about it; the issue with that article was apparently published in 1958:

[Fark user image 850x1126]

So, not so much of a neologism.

/There are two other pages in the Tweet I've linked, too.


ha ha ha! flipping eye-talians!

iron de havilland: in my local vernacular, "pie", unqualified, tends to refer to savoury pies.


this.

iron de havilland: Cottage pie?


also this.
 
2021-01-10 11:34:21 PM  

grumpfuff: luna1580: uhm, who DOES use the word "pie" to OFTEN refer to pizza?


i've seen it in cartoon-like characterizations of italian-americans (which can be borderline offensive/totally offensive).

i've seen it in reference to "tomato pie" in new jersey, rhode island, and MAYBE parts of canada (apparently not toronto)... which is truly a different dish than "pizza".


and, perhaps, some of those heathens in NYC?


but, in most of the USA, if people say "hey, let's get a pie!" they are talking a sweet dessert.....

I will occasionally hear "pie" in NJ, but it's usually pizza. On the other hand, I'd like to know where all these people calling it "tomato pie", because I've lived here my whole life and never seen *anything* called that, except jokingly referring to a vegan who used to get cheese-less pizza.


probably, my friend, because "tomato pie" isn't pizza? and i just learned it's more a philly thing (i guess? tintar mentioned it as such) than NJ/RI the rest of the pizza eatin' world, other than in specific, local pockets.

it's this stuff, nearly always served room temp:

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https://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2​0​12/02/homemade-philadelphia-tomato-pie​-style-pizza-recipe.html
 
2021-01-11 12:08:44 AM  

luna1580: nearly always served room temp


oh lord, I repressed that part! but... yes, yes it is.
 
2021-01-11 12:43:45 AM  

luna1580: natazha: Tomato pie is an unholy cross between Chicago-style pizza and focaccia.  I've traveled in 49 of 50 states, plus Puerto Rico and Guam, and have never actually seen one.

that's actually based on a misconception that "chicago style" has a thick, fluffy, "pizza bread" crust. it does not.

it either is the thin and crispy (but not "an actual cracker, crispy" like st. louis) square cut tavern style, OR a thin crust with an inch+ of pure cheese and toppings!

that "focaccia crust" of "tomato pie" is an american version of an actual sicilian thing (to which detroit style is also closely related) like this:

[Fark user image image 496x337]

that's ok, i love almost ALL "pizzas" of the world 😊


Detroit style is great if you don't have an oven that can hit the temperature needed for other styles. shiatty electric oven, 525 on the bottom rack of the oven and Detroit works just fine.
 
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