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1153 clicks; posted to Business » and Main » on 08 Jan 2021 at 10:20 AM (22 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2021-01-08 10:23:04 AM  
seasonal hiring?
 
2021-01-08 10:25:07 AM  
The only thing that matters to corporations:

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Everything else (especially staff) is disposable.
 
2021-01-08 10:36:39 AM  
This actually clears the path for the new Congress and Administration to pass a larger stimulus. I'm not expecting much from them, but early reports are that the $2,000 checks and transportation funding is a big priority. And it sounds like (some) of the Obama vets now realize that rather than try to build political capital, you just gotta pass what you can when you have the votes.
 
2021-01-08 10:38:28 AM  

OrionXVI: The only thing that matters to corporations:

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Everything else (especially staff) is disposable.


Labor can fuk off.

Only lazy sit at home stock owners and the 1% matter now.

Its so Freedomy!
 
2021-01-08 10:59:19 AM  
No one has money to buy anything except for the well off, and they're hoarding their cash right now.
Not surprised.
 
2021-01-08 11:00:35 AM  
Dark thought of the day:  But if ~350K have died from the pandemic...that means there's about 210K openings yes?

/yah I fully understand that many businesses can't operate effectively right now
 
2021-01-08 11:03:32 AM  

Hmnaftall: This actually clears the path for the new Congress and Administration to pass a larger stimulus. I'm not expecting much from them, but early reports are that the $2,000 checks and transportation funding is a big priority.


Because it's critical that rather than getting money to those people who lost their jobs and desperately need help, we get more money to people like me who have been comfortably working from home this while time?
 
2021-01-08 11:07:38 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Dark thought of the day:  But if ~350K have died from the pandemic...that means there's about 210K openings yes?


Deaths are heavily skewed towards people who aren't of working age.
 
2021-01-08 11:11:31 AM  
But remember, we're all in this together.
 
2021-01-08 11:18:16 AM  
Actually, it's probably worse, since that's the net of hires and separations.
 
2021-01-08 11:19:59 AM  

BMFPitt: Hmnaftall: This actually clears the path for the new Congress and Administration to pass a larger stimulus. I'm not expecting much from them, but early reports are that the $2,000 checks and transportation funding is a big priority.

Because it's critical that rather than getting money to those people who lost their jobs and desperately need help, we get more money to people like me who have been comfortably working from home this while time?


UI extension is also included in those reports as well. We'll see in a couple weeks what they come up with.
 
2021-01-08 11:27:04 AM  

Hmnaftall: UI extension is also included in those reports as well. We'll see in a couple weeks what they come up with.


It shouldn't be both.  Get the money to people who need it.  Money being given to people like me is essentially being taken out of the pockets of people who actually need it, in addition to being money we really, really don't have and can't afford.
 
2021-01-08 11:45:48 AM  

BMFPitt: Hmnaftall: UI extension is also included in those reports as well. We'll see in a couple weeks what they come up with.

It shouldn't be both.  Get the money to people who need it.  Money being given to people like me is essentially being taken out of the pockets of people who actually need it, in addition to being money we really, really don't have and can't afford.


There are some political and practical reasons for just giving the $600/$2,000 stimulus checks to everybody:

Political: Increases political support of such, which increases the chances of such being passed.  If it's just for the poor or out of work, a lot of not-poor and out of work people will ask their congresscritter to vote no.

Practical: It's hard to determine who would qualify on an ad hoc basis.  Even going by 2019 income (beyond a very high figure like a million bucks of income) might not reflect their actual need; IE people who were fairly well off on March 1st, 2020 may no longer be.  Plus, this would delay the payments, possibly by a significant amount of time.
 
2021-01-08 11:53:47 AM  

Geotpf: There are some political and practical reasons for just giving the $600/$2,000 stimulus checks to everybody:

Political: Increases political support of such, which increases the chances of such being passed.  If it's just for the poor or out of work, a lot of not-poor and out of work people will ask their congresscritter to vote no.


I'm saying what it shouldn't be done.  I'm fully aware of why they're doing it.

Practical: It's hard to determine who would qualify on an ad hoc basis.  Even going by 2019 income (beyond a very high figure like a million bucks of income) might not reflect their actual need; IE people who were fairly well off on March 1st, 2020 may no longer be.  Plus, this would delay the payments, possibly by a significant amount of time.

That was a very good reason, and why I fully supported doing that back in March.  Now we've long since had time for things to catch up, and that money should be going to the unemployed, full stop.  Even last time, I think the expanded unemployment was implemented within 3 weeks.
 
2021-01-08 1:07:10 PM  

Hmnaftall: This actually clears the path for the new Congress and Administration to pass a larger stimulus. I'm not expecting much from them, but early reports are that the $2,000 checks and transportation funding is a big priority. And it sounds like (some) of the Obama vets now realize that rather than try to build political capital, you just gotta pass what you can when you have the votes.


This.

They need to put up as much legislation as possible in the next two years because I'd wager they lose the House or Senate in two years.  Not often does one party hold everything for very long.*

*I have no actual evidence that this is true but this being Fark I don't need facts!
 
2021-01-08 1:14:55 PM  
Prioritizing aid to the unemployed makes sense to me too, but I think it's worth erring on the side of distributing too much money. And I didn't get any from the recent 2nd round and surely won't from any further aid, so I've got no direct stake.

Aside from broadening support and simplifying the process, unemployment doesn't fully cover a lot of "loss of income" scenarios either.
 
2021-01-08 1:23:02 PM  

SMB2811: But remember, we're all in this together.


That phrase now makes me stabby
 
2021-01-08 2:37:51 PM  

BMFPitt: BumpInTheNight: Dark thought of the day:  But if ~350K have died from the pandemic...that means there's about 210K openings yes?

Deaths are heavily skewed towards people who aren't of working age.


Social security trust fund is maybe looking a little healthier.
 
2021-01-08 2:47:40 PM  

Target Builder: Social security trust fund is maybe looking a little healthier.


Medicare Trust Fund is probably more than making up for it.
 
2021-01-08 3:30:32 PM  
I managed to get a job offer, as well as two other interviews, during Christmas week.

This job market is farking strange.
 
2021-01-08 3:36:15 PM  

TheFoz: Hmnaftall: This actually clears the path for the new Congress and Administration to pass a larger stimulus. I'm not expecting much from them, but early reports are that the $2,000 checks and transportation funding is a big priority. And it sounds like (some) of the Obama vets now realize that rather than try to build political capital, you just gotta pass what you can when you have the votes.

This.

They need to put up as much legislation as possible in the next two years because I'd wager they lose the House or Senate in two years.  Not often does one party hold everything for very long.*

*I have no actual evidence that this is true but this being Fark I don't need facts!


Counterpoints:

-Dem improvement with reliable midterm voters such as college educated whites
-GOP civil war, with MAGA threatening anyone insufficiently loyal to Trump.
-GOP struggles without Trump on the ballot (ie, Georgia)
 
2021-01-08 3:36:49 PM  

OccamsWhiskers: Prioritizing aid to the unemployed makes sense to me too, but I think it's worth erring on the side of distributing too much money. And I didn't get any from the recent 2nd round and surely won't from any further aid, so I've got no direct stake.

Aside from broadening support and simplifying the process, unemployment doesn't fully cover a lot of "loss of income" scenarios either.


Politicians have three issues:
1.  They want to be popular
2.  They've very recently experienced the discomfort of the electorate trying to storm the castle
3.  Having Trumpville's (formerly Hooverville's) will make things much, much worse
 
2021-01-08 3:47:23 PM  

2dogsrunning: SMB2811: But remember, we're all in this together.

That phrase now makes me stabby


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2021-01-08 7:12:19 PM  
Oh, we're just getting started.
 
2021-01-08 8:08:45 PM  

OrionXVI: The only thing that matters to corporations:

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Everything else (especially staff) is disposable.


Except that the stock market is doing well, so your idiotic post is, well, idiotic.

Businesses are declaring bankruptcy left and right, closing locations, and trying to stay solvent when they can, but of course it's just "corporations", not the fact that the economy has mostly ground to a halt in the last 9 months.
 
2021-01-08 9:48:31 PM  
And HRC said those coal jobs weren't coming back....
 
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