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2021-01-07 8:25:01 AM  
I do feel for the guy. He thought he was signing up for a career making blockbuster franchise and instead he gets to be whiny Ahmed Best.
 
2021-01-07 8:32:30 AM  
Just a quick question, are we sure Keaton is reprising his Batman and not going to be Thomas Wayne's Batman in Flashpoint? That would be the better story choice, no?
 
2021-01-07 8:39:38 AM  
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2021-01-07 8:48:35 AM  
When I was young, maybe 22 or so, I watched terrible management manage terribly at one job.  Then we held a meeting with the CEO who had this interesting story about ugly wallpaper in his house. He hated it. He knew it was ugly and planned to get rid of it, but no one ever complained about it so he didn't act on it.

One day, his friends are all around and they all started joking about his ugly wallpaper. He asked why didn't anyone say anything earlier, because he hated it too and would have changed it sooner and everyone shrugged.

So he asked us to tell him about any ugly wallpaper we see at his company.

That was the only time I wrote a whistle-blower letter when I quit. It made the job so much harder for my former co-workers that I lost some friends. I don't know if it made a difference to the company, but I had changed cities and careers so it didn't make a difference for me.

I hope Cyborg had another job lined up. There are only 6 or so companies to work for in Hollywood, and they are all friends.

To paraphrase a Bible quote: I've seen righteous men destroy themselves in their righteousness, while the wicked live long and happy. It is wise to not be too righteous (without a back up plan)
 
2021-01-07 8:49:05 AM  
Choose your hill to die on wisely.

He did not.
 
2021-01-07 9:19:33 AM  
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2021-01-07 9:24:26 AM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: I hope Cyborg had another job lined up.


He's 33. This is his IMDb filmography:

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2021-01-07 9:29:06 AM  
I guess I'm still not sure what he's accusing DC of.  I initially heard they had cut a lot of his scenes, but I haven't kept up with it.  What does he say happened?
 
2021-01-07 9:38:55 AM  
Don't let the door clank against your metal ass on the way out.
 
2021-01-07 9:45:15 AM  

Skarekrough: Choose your hill to die on wisely.

He did not.


I mean, in fairness he's getting the most he could really get out of this accountability wise (the people directly complained about are out) and it's not like the Time Warner monopoly is blacklisting him, just letting him set the terms of their further interactions without doing any media shiat from their end to make him look bad to future employers like they do when splits of this kind aren't amicable.

It actually sounds like things are going fine for both parties here, this is the equivalent of a divorce where they'll still point out their ex is a dick but have no actual issues with the split or desire to mess with them.
 
2021-01-07 9:47:09 AM  

Mangoose: Just a quick question, are we sure Keaton is reprising his Batman and not going to be Thomas Wayne's Batman in Flashpoint? That would be the better story choice, no?


I think it's obvious this is correct.
 
2021-01-07 9:48:03 AM  
His current and future role is The Amazing Career Suicide Guy.
 
2021-01-07 9:48:31 AM  

Raug the Dwarf: I guess I'm still not sure what he's accusing DC of.  I initially heard they had cut a lot of his scenes, but I haven't kept up with it.  What does he say happened?


He accused Joss Whedon of "gross, abusive, unprofessional" behavior during the Justice League reshoots. I haven't seen anything more specific than that. From the sound of the rest of the cast interviews regarding the "Snyder cut", the cast clashed severely with Whedon as they were deeply invested in Snyder's vision for the movie and hated the direction Whedon took it as it didn't fit at all (which is probably fair). Maybe he was just particularly aggrieved about it?
 
2021-01-07 9:50:47 AM  
Maybe there IS such a thing as bad publicity.
 
2021-01-07 9:51:39 AM  

kryptoknightmare: Raug the Dwarf: I guess I'm still not sure what he's accusing DC of.  I initially heard they had cut a lot of his scenes, but I haven't kept up with it.  What does he say happened?

He accused Joss Whedon of "gross, abusive, unprofessional" behavior during the Justice League reshoots. I haven't seen anything more specific than that. From the sound of the rest of the cast interviews regarding the "Snyder cut", the cast clashed severely with Whedon as they were deeply invested in Snyder's vision for the movie and hated the direction Whedon took it as it didn't fit at all (which is probably fair). Maybe he was just particularly aggrieved about it?


Well,when you compare accomplishments, obviously Whedon should have listened to his enormous experience. . .
 
2021-01-07 9:54:51 AM  
Don Cheadle is about tonget paid.
 
2021-01-07 10:18:27 AM  

kryptoknightmare: Raug the Dwarf: I guess I'm still not sure what he's accusing DC of.  I initially heard they had cut a lot of his scenes, but I haven't kept up with it.  What does he say happened?

He accused Joss Whedon of "gross, abusive, unprofessional" behavior during the Justice League reshoots. I haven't seen anything more specific than that. From the sound of the rest of the cast interviews regarding the "Snyder cut", the cast clashed severely with Whedon as they were deeply invested in Snyder's vision for the movie and hated the direction Whedon took it as it didn't fit at all (which is probably fair). Maybe he was just particularly aggrieved about it?



Ok.  That's about the extent of what I had heard too.
 
2021-01-07 10:41:25 AM  
If I were in charge, I'd just use his digi-double that they most definitely scanned for the first movie and probably own the likeness to. He's playing one-half of a forgettable face with barely-one scowly expression. The average viewer and single (rounding up) Cyborg fan won't ever know the difference.

Then he'll be free to go Sean Young his way through the next production of anybody else dumb enough to hire him.
 
2021-01-07 10:41:55 AM  
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2021-01-07 10:51:59 AM  
Sorry dude, "male" trumps "black" so nobody cares about your problems.
 
2021-01-07 11:16:11 AM  
I've been trying to keep an open mind but now I'm just getting a "When you meet assholes all day ..." vibe.
 
2021-01-07 11:21:56 AM  

CommonName2: Sorry dude, "male" trumps "black" so nobody cares about your problems.


Thank you for your input, Nonsensical Wokeness A.I.
 
2021-01-07 11:28:44 AM  

JolobinSmokin: Mangoose: Just a quick question, are we sure Keaton is reprising his Batman and not going to be Thomas Wayne's Batman in Flashpoint? That would be the better story choice, no?

I think it's obvious this is correct.


"better story" and "DC live action movie" ... you see where the disconnect is, right?
 
2021-01-07 11:30:22 AM  

kryptoknightmare: Raug the Dwarf: I guess I'm still not sure what he's accusing DC of.  I initially heard they had cut a lot of his scenes, but I haven't kept up with it.  What does he say happened?

He accused Joss Whedon of "gross, abusive, unprofessional" behavior during the Justice League reshoots. I haven't seen anything more specific than that. From the sound of the rest of the cast interviews regarding the "Snyder cut", the cast clashed severely with Whedon as they were deeply invested in Snyder's vision for the movie and hated the direction Whedon took it as it didn't fit at all (which is probably fair). Maybe he was just particularly aggrieved woke about it?


FTFY
 
2021-01-07 11:42:51 AM  
I'd hear the guy out if he would say what actually happened. Instead he's spent the past year moaning about vague "unprofessionalism", which could be anything from racial slurs to Whedon wouldn't supply his favorite brand of donut on set. Right now, without any more context, the guy just sounds like every diva ever who was mad that the director wouldn't kiss their feet.
 
2021-01-07 11:51:55 AM  

Esroc: I'd hear the guy out if he would say what actually happened. Instead he's spent the past year moaning about vague "unprofessionalism", which could be anything from racial slurs to Whedon wouldn't supply his favorite brand of donut on set. Right now, without any more context, the guy just sounds like every diva ever who was mad that the director wouldn't kiss their feet.


That's why I asked. The only thing I'd heard was that his scenes got cut, which happens to every actor.  They shoot like 12 hours of video and have to cut it down to a 2(ish) hour movie.  Not all of your scenes are going to make it, man. No matter how good you thought they were.
 
2021-01-07 11:58:00 AM  
Stick the guy from Doom Patrol in instead?
 
2021-01-07 12:01:37 PM  

Esroc: I'd hear the guy out if he would say what actually happened. Instead he's spent the past year moaning about vague "unprofessionalism", which could be anything from racial slurs to Whedon wouldn't supply his favorite brand of donut on set. Right now, without any more context, the guy just sounds like every diva ever who was mad that the director wouldn't kiss their feet.


Probably his lawyer told him not to be more specific to avoid a slander suit.
 
2021-01-07 12:13:57 PM  

Mangoose: Just a quick question, are we sure Keaton is reprising his Batman and not going to be Thomas Wayne's Batman in Flashpoint? That would be the better story choice, no?


Batman Beyond > Flashpoint
 
2021-01-07 12:21:34 PM  

TheMarchHare: Mangoose: Just a quick question, are we sure Keaton is reprising his Batman and not going to be Thomas Wayne's Batman in Flashpoint? That would be the better story choice, no?

Batman Beyond > Flashpoint


it's DC .. they will do neither of those, nevermind doing either of them well
 
2021-01-07 12:22:45 PM  

likefunbutnot: I do feel for the guy. He thought he was signing up for a career making blockbuster franchise and instead he gets to be whiny Ahmed Best.


Ahmed Best deserved everything he got and more, that meesabiatch motherfarker
 
2021-01-07 12:29:07 PM  
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2021-01-07 1:42:20 PM  

Ghost Roach: TheMarchHare: Mangoose: Just a quick question, are we sure Keaton is reprising his Batman and not going to be Thomas Wayne's Batman in Flashpoint? That would be the better story choice, no?

Batman Beyond > Flashpoint

it's DC .. they will do neither of those, nevermind doing either of them well


More likely, they'll do both in the same movie.
 
2021-01-07 1:43:47 PM  

Bslim: likefunbutnot: I do feel for the guy. He thought he was signing up for a career making blockbuster franchise and instead he gets to be whiny Ahmed Best.

Ahmed Best deserved everything he got and more, that meesabiatch motherfarker


Ahmed Best received years of hate and death threats, enough that he considered suicide, just for having the audacity to accept a role in a movie and perform the part as it was written.

What Best deserves is a massive groveling apology from all the deranged nerds who thought a fictional pew-pew space story was more precious and important than an actual human being. He should also have a free pass to cockpunch them whenever he feels like it.
 
2021-01-07 1:44:07 PM  
I'm sure whatever he's beefing about with WB is very important to his personal value system. Shame he chose to air his very vague grievances in the public instead of handling it professionally and privately like most grown ups do.

But, since he chose the unwise, and frankly immature, course of action, the reaction of most humans will be thus:

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Now shut up and get me my super-sized fries, Fryborg.
 
2021-01-07 2:00:27 PM  

snoopy2zero: Don Cheadle is about tonget paid.


Mackie, too.

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CUT THE CHECK!
 
2021-01-07 2:23:42 PM  
I'll take "People Who Won't Ever Work in This Town Again" for $200, Alex
 
2021-01-07 2:31:58 PM  
I also will turn down any jobs offered to me by WB until justice is served and that tyrant is ousted.  Of course, my imdb credits is notably shorter being completely nonexistent but I stand by my principles.
 
2021-01-07 2:40:06 PM  

skyotter: I've been trying to keep an open mind but now I'm just getting a "When you meet assholes all day ..." vibe.


This. I'd very curious about the details and even more curious as to why he hasn't or is unable to elaborate on them.
 
2021-01-07 3:52:14 PM  

Skarekrough: Choose your hill to die on wisely.

He did not.


Well his fellow cast mates on Justice League are siding with him. shiat must have been pretty bad during the reshoots.
 
2021-01-07 4:14:33 PM  

Raug the Dwarf: Esroc: I'd hear the guy out if he would say what actually happened. Instead he's spent the past year moaning about vague "unprofessionalism", which could be anything from racial slurs to Whedon wouldn't supply his favorite brand of donut on set. Right now, without any more context, the guy just sounds like every diva ever who was mad that the director wouldn't kiss their feet.

That's why I asked. The only thing I'd heard was that his scenes got cut, which happens to every actor.  They shoot like 12 hours of video and have to cut it down to a 2(ish) hour movie.  Not all of your scenes are going to make it, man. No matter how good you thought they were.


I read that others from the production backed his claims. Jason Momoa is the only one I remember specifically.
And the only things I remember about the complaint is that Whedon trash talked Snyder and most of the footage that he'd shot. Maybe dialogue and the overall theme of Snyder's work. Also he was a taskmaster.

He was also under considerable pressure to finish as quickly and cheaply as possible. Since extensive reshoots were required.
 
2021-01-07 8:01:29 PM  
How dare a black man make an allegation that, if made by a cute woman, would get the target cancelled af. Dude's gotta learn his place.
 
2021-01-07 8:04:10 PM  

EdgeRunner: Bslim: likefunbutnot: I do feel for the guy. He thought he was signing up for a career making blockbuster franchise and instead he gets to be whiny Ahmed Best.

Ahmed Best deserved everything he got and more, that meesabiatch motherfarker

Ahmed Best received years of hate and death threats, enough that he considered suicide, just for having the audacity to accept a role in a movie and perform the part as it was written.

What Best deserves is a massive groveling apology from all the deranged nerds who thought a fictional pew-pew space story was more precious and important than an actual human being. He should also have a free pass to cockpunch them whenever he feels like it.


Yeah I never understood the hate Best got for that.  Yes Jar Jar was a terrible character on multiple levels, but that's all on the guy that created the character, wrote his dialog, and directed Best in acting him out.  Yell at Lucas for that.
 
2021-01-07 8:20:26 PM  

ExcedrinHeadache: Ghost Roach: TheMarchHare: Mangoose: Just a quick question, are we sure Keaton is reprising his Batman and not going to be Thomas Wayne's Batman in Flashpoint? That would be the better story choice, no?

Batman Beyond > Flashpoint

it's DC .. they will do neither of those, nevermind doing either of them well

More likely, they'll do both in the same movie.


Oh dear god, you're right
 
2021-01-07 9:45:24 PM  

The Darkest Timeline: How dare a black man make an allegation


of what? What happened, please sight specifics.
 
2021-01-08 12:53:04 AM  

EdgeRunner: What Best deserves is a massive groveling apology from all the deranged nerds who thought a fictional pew-pew space story was more precious and important than an actual human being. He should also have a free pass to cockpunch them whenever he feels like it.


I would've said basically the same thing.
The dude acted the way he was told to act and trusted a person he saw as a great filmmaker.

Be mad at George Lucas, fine. Jake Lloyd and Ahmed Best and Hayden Christensen and Natalie Portman are not the people who farked up the prequels.
 
2021-01-08 1:21:05 AM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: When I was young, maybe 22 or so, I watched terrible management manage terribly at one job.  Then we held a meeting with the CEO who had this interesting story about ugly wallpaper in his house. He hated it. He knew it was ugly and planned to get rid of it, but no one ever complained about it so he didn't act on it.

One day, his friends are all around and they all started joking about his ugly wallpaper. He asked why didn't anyone say anything earlier, because he hated it too and would have changed it sooner and everyone shrugged.

So he asked us to tell him about any ugly wallpaper we see at his company.

That was the only time I wrote a whistle-blower letter when I quit. It made the job so much harder for my former co-workers that I lost some friends. I don't know if it made a difference to the company, but I had changed cities and careers so it didn't make a difference for me.

I hope Cyborg had another job lined up. There are only 6 or so companies to work for in Hollywood, and they are all friends.

To paraphrase a Bible quote: I've seen righteous men destroy themselves in their righteousness, while the wicked live long and happy. It is wise to not be too righteous (without a back up plan)


I don't know the situation, but this young man shot 2 movies in his entire life. He evidently liked one and hated the other.

So in his vast experience and wisdom he decides to burn down his entire career?

Do you want fries with that?
 
2021-01-08 1:38:28 AM  

kryptoknightmare: Raug the Dwarf: I guess I'm still not sure what he's accusing DC of.  I initially heard they had cut a lot of his scenes, but I haven't kept up with it.  What does he say happened?

He accused Joss Whedon of "gross, abusive, unprofessional" behavior during the Justice League reshoots. I haven't seen anything more specific than that. From the sound of the rest of the cast interviews regarding the "Snyder cut", the cast clashed severely with Whedon as they were deeply invested in Snyder's vision for the movie and hated the direction Whedon took it as it didn't fit at all (which is probably fair). Maybe he was just particularly aggrieved about it?


I for one thought Justice League was like watching one of those movies, you know, where there's like another, better movie inside the actual movie? You know?

But like... the movie inside the movie, was like..better than the movie. Or wherever.
 
2021-01-08 11:23:10 AM  
Cyborg was always just shoehorned into the Justice league.  If they wanted a black guy, why not John Stewart or Mr. Terrific?

Yeah yeah, Teen Titans and all. He's a mainstay of the cartoon version, but why does that mean that he gets the boost.

As for this actor, dude needs to realize that he's in the machine. AND pipe up when shiat is happening, not LONG AFTERWARDS. The former makes you a troublemaker, but the later just makes you a whiner.
 
2021-01-08 1:08:20 PM  

Screaming Candle: Cyborg was always just shoehorned into the Justice league.  If they wanted a black guy, why not John Stewart or Mr. Terrific?

Yeah yeah, Teen Titans and all. He's a mainstay of the cartoon version, but why does that mean that he gets the boost.

As for this actor, dude needs to realize that he's in the machine. AND pipe up when shiat is happening, not LONG AFTERWARDS. The former makes you a troublemaker, but the later just makes you a whiner.


He also needs to be able to speak up about the actual, specific allegations, not just dance around with vague, empty comments.  I get that he's probably trying to avoid specifics because of a nondisclosure agreement or to avoid some sort of suit, but he's been so endlessly vague that people are left thinking he doesn't actually have any specific allegations.  You might be able to get away with that with regard to a director being a prick, something like that probably wouldn't shock people, but if you're going to "it's him or me" the president of the freaking production company, and you aren't prepared to back it up with anything substantive, you're just screaming "I'm a prima donna" out to the universe.
 
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