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2021-01-04 9:41:18 AM  

fluffy_pope: The Prisoner is sci-fi?


Poli Sci-Fi.
 
2021-01-04 9:49:14 AM  
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List fails without Mike/Joel/Jonah and the bots
 
2021-01-04 10:07:51 AM  

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List fails without Mike/Joel/Jonah and the bots


No, this is about *UNDERRATED* shows, not *OVERRATED* ones.
 
2021-01-04 10:16:16 AM  

PerpetualPeristalsis: Laobaojun:

Space 1999 was way overrated (except the episode "Dragon's Domain" - Cthulhu in outer space, with 1970s mod costumes).

Force of Life was another pretty solid episode.


'Force of Life' was damn good.  So was 'The Infernal Machine'.  Barry Gray and guest Leo McKern just ignored Barbara Bain and Martin Landau and did some acting.

I have *never* understood the love for 'Dragon's Domain'.  For me, that was an absolutely rubbish story with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.  But a lot of people love it, and God knows, it takes all kinds...  I have fond memories of a lot of things that others regard as crap, so to each his own.
 
2021-01-04 10:17:40 AM  

AppleOptionEsc: Ginnungagap42: Underrated sci-fi TV shows with a cult following you need to watch

Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy (1981)
The Prisoner (1967)
Dollhouse (2009)
The Tripods (1984)
Aeon Flux (1991)
V (1983)
Space 1999 (1975)
Terrahawks (1983)
Star Blazers (1979)
Firefly (2002)


TFA's author sounds young.

How old are you that stuff from the 70s is young?



Let's just say I watched all of those first run except The Prisoner. The Space 1999 episode "Dragon's Domain" scared the bejeezus out of me as a kid.

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2021-01-04 10:22:25 AM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: I have *never* understood the love for 'Dragon's Domain'.  For me, that was an absolutely rubbish story with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.  But a lot of people love it, and God knows, it takes all kinds...  I have fond memories of a lot of things that others regard as crap, so to each his own.


It's the monster.

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That was a creepy and imaginative monster for a mid-1970's TV show.
 
2021-01-04 10:23:30 AM  

dittybopper: Tater1337: germ78: List is missing Red Dwarf.

and robotech

I'm putting in a vote for Kolchak: The Night Stalker.

Yeah, most of it is straight up horror/fantasy, but there are episodes that are clearly sci-fi.   Specifically, these absolutely are sci-fi:

They Have Been, They Are, They Will Be... (Aliens/UFO)

Mr. R.I.N.G.  (humanoid robot)

And arguably these also:

Primal Scream (cell samples grown into a prehistoric primate)

The Sentry (Lizard man - in 1975, so the meme is older than V)



Seconded for Kolchak. The interplay between the Kolchak and the denizens of INS, especially his long-suffering boss is some of the best out there. Also, The Energy Eater is creepy.
 
2021-01-04 10:25:11 AM  

dittybopper: 1. The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy (1981):  I remember watching this on PBS back in the 1980's.  I'm actually currently re-watching it on Amazon Prime.  It is *SO* farkin' British.  Like, if you put it in a wine press and squeezed it, you'd get a few pints of bitter balanced by wit drier than Weetabix

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9. Star Blazers (1979):  I used to watch this as a kid/younger teen.  It was OK, but honestly I liked some of the earlier anime better.  Plus, we now know that the scratches in the IJN Clamato ain't gonna buff out like that.


I don't care what the writers said.  For me, story will always be that Earth was in a goddamn rush to get a mission launched, and didn't have time to design a new hull from scratch.  (Their existing space cruisers were too small for a mission like this.)  So they grabbed the plans for the biggest hull they had blueprints for.

They slapped 'fake rust' over the exposed parts to pretend to any Gamilon observers that it was really the sunken WWII hulk, but this is revealed as a literal cover story when we see how easily the rust falls away revealing sharp, clean new metal when then they take off.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
 
2021-01-04 10:27:48 AM  

dittybopper: Galileo's Daughter: [fastly.syfy.com image 850x481]
List fails without Mike/Joel/Jonah and the bots

No, this is about *UNDERRATED* shows, not *OVERRATED* ones.


I came in to nominate 'The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr.' for a place on the list.  The orb, the time travel elements, Professor Wickwire, all qualify it as science fiction.

But Brisco is anything but underrated.

Still, tip o' the hat and a nod of respect to a wonderful show.
 
2021-01-04 10:36:50 AM  

BafflerMeal: DanInKansas: Another science fiction military show that needs more love: Exo-Squad.

Highbody count. Harsh themes. Antagonists with understandable motives.

For your wiki pleasure

Pls to be remembering:

[YouTube video: Spiral Zone Intro]


That looks terrible
 
2021-01-04 10:41:16 AM  

DanInKansas: BafflerMeal: DanInKansas: Another science fiction military show that needs more love: Exo-Squad.

Highbody count. Harsh themes. Antagonists with understandable motives.

For your wiki pleasure

Pls to be remembering:

[YouTube video: Spiral Zone Intro]

That looks terrible


The story is pretty good for a Toy Ad.  Post-apocalyptic world.  Rampant Spiral "virus" storms destroying humanity. Vulnerable heros must wear special armour to protect themselves as they fight the infected and look for a way back.
 
2021-01-04 10:43:33 AM  

Ginnungagap42: Seconded for Kolchak. The interplay between the Kolchak and the denizens of INS, especially his long-suffering boss is some of the best out there. Also, The Energy Eater is creepy.


I just picked up the entire series on DVD, so I'll have a copy if NBC decides to stop streaming it.  Found it at WalMart.

Probably my favorite episode is "Horror in the Heights".
 
2021-01-04 10:54:16 AM  
Counterpart.  It's mostly cold war spy cat-and-mouse but parallel worlds plays a central role, with one of the world eerily resembling out quarantine reality, only if it goes on for 30 years.  Also, JK Simmons and Olivia Williams, who put in some great performances.  Everyone does IMO.  No one talks about it, probably because it's on STARZ, but is now also on Amazon Prime in the US.
 
2021-01-04 10:58:41 AM  
 
2021-01-04 10:59:12 AM  
Hey, any one else remember "Otherworld"?
 
2021-01-04 11:08:24 AM  
List is complete bullshiat without "Mork & Mindy".
 
2021-01-04 11:12:02 AM  

acad1228: No love for "Dark Matter"?

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Seconded, but it made me sad that the moment they knew that the show was dead the writers went straight into "DILLIGAFF" mode and went for every single trope in the known 'verse to end on. It was glorious while it lasted.

"Space: 1999" was a show that was sooooo very hit-or-miss, you just never knew what you were going to get. As early 70s kids we loved it because it felt more realistic technology-wise but that also instantly dated the show to that era. It was beautifully color-saturated (now more evident in the Blu-Ray restoration), the lead actors were all professionals who did their very damendest to take the show seriously in spite of it being so utterly ludicrous, and it had a certain pizazz that had been lacking from TV in general. It was hopeful in a time where even the Star Trek reruns on syndication felt depressing.

dittybopper: but [New V] was also better written.


I dunno about that man. I got most of the way through and just hated it. Sure, the original and the spinoff mini movies are terrible in hindsight, but compared to everything else that was on TV at the time it was almost serious, and far less cheesy than later episodes of most of the popular shows that were airing at the same time. I think I must be one of the only people on earth that finds Morena Baccharin's acting to be a detraction ... she's just dry and awful. Also, nothing could ever replace Robert Englund as "Willie" the friendly Visitor.

All you LEXX fans: I will never for the life of me understand what the hell you people saw in that show. It was awful, stop pretending it wasn't. LEXX was "Time Traxx" and "Timecop: The Series" levels of awful, maybe worse. I bet you're the same people who loved "Cleopatra 2525" aren't you?

"Seaquest" had its moments. Not unlike 'Space: 1999' it was very hit-or-miss and had some great ideas that they either trainwrecked on development or just ruined with bullshiat fantasy sequences like when they went up against Triton or whatever. "Earth: 2" was the other NBC show that had great moments but was ruined by bad writing in the end, and the utterly hatable idiot couple that was supposed to be comic relief or something? It also suffered from the "OH SO SPECIAL STAR CHILD" trope syndrome. That show had so much potential in its dystopian roots and they just let it die on the vine.

dittybopper: 4. The Tripods (1984): I remember reading the books in school and enjoying them. I'll have to look for this one.


A great show with serious acting for its time, but also suffering from BBC's notoriously shiatty special FX. I downloaded a copy of the series off BitTorrent @ 6 years ago and it generally held up.

dittybopper: 3. Dollhouse (2009): Haven't seen it.


Dollhouse struggled with the first few episodes which was a damned shame because eventually it bloomed just when you think it's dead on the vine. It's totally worth a look if you can hold your nose for the first few episodes when Eliza Dushku was trying to get a hold on her acting. I think it actually features some of Wheadon and Kinnear's best writing and was surprisingly fresh on re-viewing just two years back.

Any "Terra Nova" fans out there? I had a love-hate relationship with Terra Nova and the shiat writing, but it had soooo much potential that once again was just coming to its strength when Fox shiatcanned it right when it was getting good. It could have been the new "Land Of The Lost" and was headed in that direction when it got scuttled and that will always piss me off. I think it's highly under-rated as newbie Sci-Fi shows go.

Tater1337: germ78: List is missing Red Dwarf.

and Robotech


Red Dwarf was funny when I was 15, and I bought the whole set on DVD in my early 30s. I watched them twice and just never laughed, it seems it was really juvenile and only good for a guffaw or two once and that's it, it was funnier in memory than in reality. I recently sold the DVDs for trade for better things.

I went back and recently re-watched Robotech S1 on Amazon and found myself hitting FFWD a LOT. Seems like it got dumbed waaaay the hell down for the American releases and each episode kept treading old ground. I bet you could do a master re-cut of that entire season to a 2.5 hour movie that would be infinitely better and lose nothing; what a damned shame. I think we only ever liked "Star Blazers" back in the 80s for the exact same reason: it was new, it was "cool", and it was way better than Speed Racer but it's only interesting if you're a kid... it doesn't hold up well at all.

Raider_dad: The animated Star Trek was something I liked watching in my youth , haven't re-watched it in centuries so I can't say if it holds up.

Flash Gordon cartoon was also awesome , and Thundarr


ST: TAS is overly-simplified but has the added goodness of Niven's Universe critters such as the Slavers and the Kzinti. Flash Gordon was cool because it was different, and Thundarr was the same: Post-apocalyptic Sci-Fi/Fantasy with elements not before seen on TV presented like Animated Flinstones Vitamins for Anime-loving kids... also overly-simple but pretty damned interesting for 80s Saturday Morning TV, as opposed to oh say "Pac Man: the show".

ineeda42: Or maybe Blake's 7?


Other than perhaps "Sliders" or "Buck Rogers", this is one of the shows that did a lot with a little, looks terrible in hindsight and yet it had strong writing all the way through and is fully worthy of a modern remake. I mention "Sliders" because the first four episodes were totally serious, hard-core SciFi and Buck Rogers had also similarly started out strong. If Battlestar Galactica can get a serious remake and be awesome, so can those three. Hell, maybe even a "Space: 2199" re-imagining.
 
2021-01-04 11:17:23 AM  

fluffy_pope: The Prisoner is sci-fi?


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2021-01-04 11:20:46 AM  

thespindrifter: Any "Terra Nova" fans out there? I had a love-hate relationship with Terra Nova and the shiat writing, but it had soooo much potential that once again was just coming to its strength when Fox shiatcanned it right when it was getting good. It could have been the new "Land Of The Lost" and was headed in that direction when it got scuttled and that will always piss me off. I think it's highly under-rated as newbie Sci-Fi shows go.


I loved hate watching that show. It was a good Friday night with a beer or two mind turn off.

But yeah, the first and last episodes had decent premises to try to get you hooked or continue the story line by the writing on everything in-between was hot garbage

I'll throw out Helix as a bad but underrated science fiction-esqe TV show. It was definitely very wink and nod at the camera knowing it was working with a subpar plot. The first season was pretty good, the second, not as much. The ending felt very much like the writers were told they were getting canceled and to wrap it up.
 
2021-01-04 11:22:34 AM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: have *never* understood the love for 'Dragon's Domain'. For me, that was an absolutely rubbish story with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. But a lot of people love it, and God knows, it takes all kinds... I have fond memories of a lot of things that others regard as crap, so to each his own


The thing about "Dragon's Domain" is that it had an element of horror that somehow has a far-deeper impact in the imagination of children than the adults who created it ever could have realized. That show gave me and every kid I know who also saw it in my age range farking nightmares for YEARS. It was waaaay worse than the dread a 5 year old would feel watching a Dalek on classic Doctor Who reruns... that moon-eyed tentacled blob thing eating you in its firey maw and spitting out a charcoal briquette was absolutely traumatizing. Yes yes, looking back at it now the acting and the Fx was pure rubbish, but the story about the haunting is still solid. It's a nightmare ghost tale that rates up there with the WW II pilots crashing in zombie hell in the movie "Heavy Metal". It's the kind of nightmare that every kid has had, possibly even as a night terror, and seeing it when conscious and awake pulled that demonic horror right out of the ID and into daylight where it was inescapable and made it all the more real somehow... it was a "trigger" moment if there ever was one.

dittybopper: Hey, any one else remember "Otherworld"?


I also torrented that in its entirety @ 6 years ago and still have it; I don't think it ever got  DVD release? If it did I never saw it. It went from "Okayish" to outright cheesy in a matter of episodes and Jonathan Banks was the absolute best part of that show. The concept was solid in a twisted take on "Land Of The Lost", but they went downhill fast. Between the preachy "Narcochalk" anti-drug episode to the "Rock n Roll Ripoff" episode it was just terrible. Someone slapped together a cool idea with absolutely no idea how to flesh it out properly. If there was ever a show that deserved a "grimdark" remake, I'll nominate Otherworld for that honor, especially if they could get Jonathan Banks back in a guest role of some kind.
 
2021-01-04 11:23:56 AM  
I agree with 3 of them on the list.

Aeon Flux
Star Blazers
Firefly

I watched V as a kid, but I hadn't hit puberty yet so I have no impressionable fondness for that show and I thought it was just a weird show... I tried to watch the remake and didn't care for it either.

I actually didn't like the BBC Hitchhiker's guide... Even though it was basically a faithful page to screen adaptation, some things are better on page than on screen. And HGTTG is one of them. The newer movie with Martin Freeman was entertaining though Adams did change a lot to make it more movie palatable.

I couldn't get into Dollhouse and I really did try... I think I watched 3 or 4 episodes and was just kinda done with it.

The rest on that list I think I'm too young for as I don't recognize any of them at all...
 
2021-01-04 11:25:06 AM  
Here's a few more perfectly watchable shows that get little love -

Roughnecks - Starship Troopers Chronicles (CGI series, tries to split the difference between the movie and the book)

Forever (Ioan Gruffud as a doctor / medical examiner cursed with Immortality)

John Doe (a man wakes up with pretty much all known knowledge stuffed into his head - except for anything pertaining to who he is and where he came from)
 
2021-01-04 11:25:40 AM  

SirEattonHogg: fluffy_pope: The Prisoner is sci-fi?

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2021-01-04 11:28:06 AM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: PerpetualPeristalsis: Laobaojun:

Space 1999 was way overrated (except the episode "Dragon's Domain" - Cthulhu in outer space, with 1970s mod costumes).

Force of Life was another pretty solid episode.

'Force of Life' was damn good.  So was 'The Infernal Machine'.  Barry Gray and guest Leo McKern just ignored Barbara Bain and Martin Landau and did some acting.

I have *never* understood the love for 'Dragon's Domain'.  For me, that was an absolutely rubbish story with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.  But a lot of people love it, and God knows, it takes all kinds...  I have fond memories of a lot of things that others regard as crap, so to each his own.


I like Space 1999.  First season some of the episodes were pretty good.

Space 1999 had the potential of having a following like Star Trek. However, the quality was uneven. Also maybe the bigger issue was the characters and the dialogue - other than concering Landau, was all pretty bland.  Space 1999 had a Kirk, but no Spock, no Scotty, etc.  And there was no real banter or even any humor amongst the crew - like McCoy and Spock going at each other.  There is nothing really to say about the characters - there was science officer guy with mutton chops (or was he second in charge?), black guy with computer, an Australian guy who did the piloting  - literally that's all I can think of - boring.  Barbara Bain maybe had a personality, but she was kind of boring as well.
 
2021-01-04 11:28:11 AM  
What is it with the Brits and puppets?
 
2021-01-04 11:29:53 AM  

FrancoFile: What is it with the Brits and puppets?


They're used to being ugly and powerless in life and taking it up the ass. It's a metaphor.
 
2021-01-04 11:35:40 AM  

dittybopper: Ginnungagap42: Seconded for Kolchak. The interplay between the Kolchak and the denizens of INS, especially his long-suffering boss is some of the best out there. Also, The Energy Eater is creepy.

I just picked up the entire series on DVD, so I'll have a copy if NBC decides to stop streaming it.  Found it at WalMart.

Probably my favorite episode is "Horror in the Heights".


Yup, that one is definitely up there.

"I'd have liked to have told Miss Emily that the Rakshasa appeared to me as her. According to the legend, it meant that I trusted her. But then I would also have had to tell her that I shot a steel arrow straight into her. I don't think she would have appreciated that."


dittybopper: Hey, any one else remember "Otherworld"?


Yes. And the similarly themed Fantastic Journey.
 
2021-01-04 11:42:15 AM  

Ginnungagap42: "I'd have liked to have told Miss Emily that the Rakshasa appeared to me as her. According to the legend, it meant that I trusted her. But then I would also have had to tell her that I shot a steel arrow straight into her. I don't think she would have appreciated that."


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That's right Miss Emily.  Crossbow bolt goes there.
 
2021-01-04 11:45:50 AM  

SirEattonHogg: Also maybe the bigger issue was the characters and the dialogue - other than concering Landau, was all pretty bland.  Space 1999 had a Kirk, but no Spock, no Scotty, etc.  And there was no real banter or even any humor amongst the crew - like McCoy and Spock going at each other.


Martin Landau wasn't a Kirk.  He wasn't even a Picard.   He was Richard Benjamin playing Adam Quark, but with all of the humor removed.

He was like a British tea "sandwich".   A couple of slices of white bread with the crusts cut off, and some thin cucumber/mayo concoction spread thinly in between the slices.   Bland, and ultimately unsatisfying.
 
2021-01-04 11:46:55 AM  

thespindrifter: It's a nightmare ghost tale that rates up there with the WW II pilots crashing in zombie hell in the movie "Heavy Metal".


My least favorite segment upon my first viewing; tripping balls and having an irrational fear of zombies played their parts.
 
2021-01-04 11:59:30 AM  
Oooh, another show I enjoyed:  Primeval.
 
2021-01-04 12:02:56 PM  
Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?

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2021-01-04 12:08:34 PM  

Famishus: Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?

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Have you actually watched that since it aired? Conceptually solid, it's horrid to actually watch. Ahead of its time? absolutely. Good TV? Not even remotely. Not even Matt Frewer could save it.
 
2021-01-04 12:12:59 PM  

Famishus: Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?

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I have recently rewatched that. It is entirely too close to reality. 20 minutes into the future, indeed.
 
2021-01-04 12:31:17 PM  

dittybopper: SirEattonHogg: Also maybe the bigger issue was the characters and the dialogue - other than concering Landau, was all pretty bland.  Space 1999 had a Kirk, but no Spock, no Scotty, etc.  And there was no real banter or even any humor amongst the crew - like McCoy and Spock going at each other.

Martin Landau wasn't a Kirk.  He wasn't even a Picard.   He was Richard Benjamin playing Adam Quark, but with all of the humor removed.

He was like a British tea "sandwich".   A couple of slices of white bread with the crusts cut off, and some thin cucumber/mayo concoction spread thinly in between the slices.   Bland, and ultimately unsatisfying.


I liked Alan Carter, he wrecked three Eagles an episode.
 
2021-01-04 12:45:29 PM  
Sure, "V" beat us over the head with the Nazi thing but it was the '80s. It's not like they didn't do the same thing with every other war since then.
 
2021-01-04 12:52:59 PM  

thespindrifter: Famishus: Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?

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Have you actually watched that since it aired? Conceptually solid, it's horrid to actually watch. Ahead of its time? absolutely. Good TV? Not even remotely. Not even Matt Frewer could save it.


Yeah. I tried to rewatch a few years ago. You're right.
 
2021-01-04 1:54:24 PM  

Extra Virgin Geek Olive Oil: I
I actually didn't like the BBC Hitchhiker's guide... Even though it was basically a faithful page to screen adaptation, some things are better on page than on screen. And HGTTG is one of them. The newer movie with Martin Freeman was entertaining though Adams did change a lot to make it more movie palatable.


not really possible ...since the radio play was one thing, the books were another, then the TV MiniSeries and the early 2000s film were 2 completely different things. HitchHikers Guide is deliberatly different in any media it is produced in. for most people which version they prefer normally depends on which they were exposed to first.
personally I think the Radio version is the funniest...followed by the Books, the first TV series...then the early 2000s film which looses a lot of points for 1) including Malcovich . period. (2) farking up Zaphods heads.


Dollhouse could have been good...first couple of episodes were not well written and for a show that had as its premise , the core of the plot was people who could be programed to pretend to be anyone of any background or profession...casting Elisha Dushku was a huge mistake. nice lady...but EXTREMELY limited acting range.

the show only started to get "good" when they had on way WAY more talented actors on screen (Alan Tudyk for example).

TerraHawks might as well have been another Marimation Puppet show from the Andersons...they were all about the same quality.


The Prisoner had its head to far up its own ass.  it was the LOST of its day...only with a smaller budget.

and SPACE 1999 is really more notable for its effects/model work and the talent cast in the show...especially for the time period.
but the second season is almost an entirely different show on many levels.

"StarBlazers" really? not Space Battleship Yamato? and since when is this "under-rated"?
 
2021-01-04 2:15:20 PM  
Never got into Dollhouse, just did not click with me.

Thunderhawks I do not remember even hearing of, but considering the creator (Thunderbirds, Captain Scarlet and Space 1999) probably did at one point.

Starblazers, the anime society as university only has the first 5 or so episodes, and I never saw further. Have the remake on blue-ray though. Also, can anything that gets a remake be under rated? (this applies for V and the prisoner as well)

The rest, I watched.
 
2021-01-04 2:28:34 PM  

thespindrifter: All you LEXX fans: I will never for the life of me understand what the hell you people saw in that show. It was awful, stop pretending it wasn't. LEXX was "Time Traxx" and "Timecop: The Series" levels of awful, maybe worse. I bet you're the same people who loved "Cleopatra 2525" aren't you?


Matter of taste, plus it was not made in the US with a US budget so allowances need to be made in evaluating it. Though that it contain some serious anti-religion and anti-theoracry undertones in season 1 might not help it with some.

Though it is season 3 introducing Prince that takes it up a notch.
 
2021-01-04 3:01:06 PM  

Stratohead: Extra Virgin Geek Olive Oil: I
I actually didn't like the BBC Hitchhiker's guide... Even though it was basically a faithful page to screen adaptation, some things are better on page than on screen. And HGTTG is one of them. The newer movie with Martin Freeman was entertaining though Adams did change a lot to make it more movie palatable.

not really possible ...since the radio play was one thing, the books were another, then the TV MiniSeries and the early 2000s film were 2 completely different things. HitchHikers Guide is deliberatly different in any media it is produced in. for most people which version they prefer normally depends on which they were exposed to first.
personally I think the Radio version is the funniest...followed by the Books, the first TV series...then the early 2000s film which looses a lot of points for 1) including Malcovich . period. (2) farking up Zaphods heads.


Hitchhiker's Guide has too many narrations and asides to translate to a movie or a TV show.

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2021-01-04 3:31:50 PM  

Stratohead: Dollhouse could have been good...first couple of episodes were not well written and for a show that had as its premise , the core of the plot was people who could be programed to pretend to be anyone of any background or profession...casting Elisha Dushku was a huge mistake. nice lady...but EXTREMELY limited acting range.


I have mentioned before that they didn't "cast" Eliza. It was her production deal with Fox, they asked her to come up with a series for her to star in, she talked to Joss, he came up with the idea. She was the star before they came up with the show.

And I think she can act. She was just well known and has a strong image. It's like watching a Sean Connery movie. You never forget you're watching Sean Connery.  So when she's playing different characters you can never forget she's Eliza Dushku. With the others they were unknown, and several introduced before we knew they were dolls, so it is far easier to accept them as different people.
 
2021-01-04 3:36:53 PM  
I loved Space:1999 when I was a kid and still do today.

Season One was dramatic and unsettling and explored many fascinating themes.  It had pretty damn good special FX for its time, too.  It hasn't aged well in all aspects, but there's still much to be appreciated about it.

Season Two took most of what was good about Season One, threw it in a dumpster, pissed on it and then set it on fire.  Popular characters were gone without explanation, sets were changed due to budget constraints, the trippy and dramatic score was replaced with a score so 70's in tone that you could see its flared pants, and the thought-provoking stories were swapped for Saturday-afternoon kids' show fare.  Some of it was still fun to watch, but in that so-dumb-it's-entertaining way, at best.
 
2021-01-04 3:42:18 PM  

thespindrifter: Hell, maybe even a "Space: 2199" re-imagining.


Back in May, there was a thread about TV shows that should be rebooted.  Some people debated whether or not Space: 1999 could be rebooted, with the naysayers taking the position that the initial premise was flawed.  You needed to get Earth's Moon to other star systems, give them time to interact with the locals, then it's off to another star system.  You *cannot* do that on a ballistic trajectory started by blowing Luna out of orbit, even with nuclear explosions.

I took that as a challenge, and ran a mental exercise to see if there was any way to make an acceptable premise for the show.

Here's what I came up with, and I hereby donate it freely to anyone who wants to use it.

To make it 'Space: 1999' and not just another generic space travel show, you need to have certain things:

1) You need to have Earth's moon, with a moon base, leave Earth and go traveling wildly out of the solar system
2) You need to have the characters be unable to return to Earth.
3) You need to have them visit extrasolar star systems and planets.
4) You need to have this happen within one human lifetime - no fair making it a generation ship.

I'm sure you've heard of the 'Alcubierre Warp Drive' hypothesis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubie​rre_drive).   Well, recently, I've seen a few articles talking about how to make sure you're travelling in the right direction on Alcubierre Drive.  The only one I can locate at the moment is in Popular Mechanics (https://www.popularmechanics.com/scie​nce/a32449240/nasa-warp-drive-space-ti​me/).  Shades of getting a Delorean up to 88 mph, apparently a NASA paper suggests that Alcubierre may need a "rolling start" to guarantee the travel direction.

So, my idea for a Space: 1999 reboot is this.

Imagine that we've gotten to the point where we're ready to experiment with a real Alcubierre Warp Drive.  Not being fools, the powers that be don't want to play around with something designed to warp spacetime here on Earth - it's where we keep all our stuff!

So the Warp Laboratory is set up on Lunar Farside, which is judged to be an acceptable margin of safety.  There's a self-sustaining base nearby to mine lunar regolith for Helium-3 to fuel fusion reactors, mine ice and other lunar resources, conduct astronomy, etc.  A prototype ship is built and is stationed in orbit.

Now, an Alcubierre field is going to require a shiat-ton of energy no matter how you slice it.  And they're working off of bleeding edge theory with little or no empirical data - it's difficult if not impossible to test at small scale, and they have no data (yet) for simulations.

The first time they engage the drive, for some bolonium reason, the warp field encompasses the entire Moon, and the Moon gets dragged off God knows where before the drive can be shut down.  Even worse, the thing steers worse than an early Model 40 TARDIS.  They can - maybe - make it go, and stop, but the relationship between where they think they're pointing it and which way it actually *goes* is purely random.  It needs more work, and more experimentation, and more data.

The characters would reengage the drive whenever they have something worked out that they think will get them home.  This moves them to the next planet or whatever is needed for story purposes.  Maybe one jump per season?

No nuclear explosions necessary, no covering many light years in normal space within a human lifetime, no handy black holes / wormholes needed for shortcuts.

This changes the dynamic of the stories somewhat.  Instead of being helpless pawns, our characters have some degree of *control* over their situation.  They always have the possibility of a happy ending and getting home - if *only* they can solve the puzzles they are presented with.  This is a trope that has been used many, many times - from Robinson Crusoe to Lost in Space to Sliders to Time Tunnel to Gilligan's Island to Stargate: Universe.  And I'm sure there are many more.

But my contention is that this premise is still recognizably 'Space: 1999' and repairs the worst of the flaws in the original show bible.  (*cough* Exploding Nuclear Waste Dumps *cough*)  I submit that in the hands of Joss Whedon or J. Michael Straczynski, this could be a successful show.

As Joel Robinson would say, 'What do you think, Sirs?'
 
2021-01-04 3:47:25 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: thespindrifter: Hell, maybe even a "Space: 2199" re-imagining.

Back in May, there was a thread about TV shows that should be rebooted.  Some people debated whether or not Space: 1999 could be rebooted, with the naysayers taking the position that the initial premise was flawed.  You needed to get Earth's Moon to other star systems, give them time to interact with the locals, then it's off to another star system.  You *cannot* do that on a ballistic trajectory started by blowing Luna out of orbit, even with nuclear explosions.

I took that as a challenge, and ran a mental exercise to see if there was any way to make an acceptable premise for the show.

Here's what I came up with, and I hereby donate it freely to anyone who wants to use it.

To make it 'Space: 1999' and not just another generic space travel show, you need to have certain things:

1) You need to have Earth's moon, with a moon base, leave Earth and go traveling wildly out of the solar system
2) You need to have the characters be unable to return to Earth.
3) You need to have them visit extrasolar star systems and planets.
4) You need to have this happen within one human lifetime - no fair making it a generation ship.

I'm sure you've heard of the 'Alcubierre Warp Drive' hypothesis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubie​rre_drive).   Well, recently, I've seen a few articles talking about how to make sure you're travelling in the right direction on Alcubierre Drive.  The only one I can locate at the moment is in Popular Mechanics (https://www.popularmechanics.com/scie​nce/a32449240/nasa-warp-drive-space-ti​me/).  Shades of getting a Delorean up to 88 mph, apparently a NASA paper suggests that Alcubierre may need a "rolling start" to guarantee the travel direction.

So, my idea for a Space: 1999 reboot is this.

Imagine that we've gotten to the point where we're ready to experiment with a real Alcubierre Warp Drive.  Not being fools, the powers that be don't want to play around with something designed to warp spacetime here on Earth - it's where we keep all our stuff!

So the Warp Laboratory is set up on Lunar Farside, which is judged to be an acceptable margin of safety.  There's a self-sustaining base nearby to mine lunar regolith for Helium-3 to fuel fusion reactors, mine ice and other lunar resources, conduct astronomy, etc.  A prototype ship is built and is stationed in orbit.

Now, an Alcubierre field is going to require a shiat-ton of energy no matter how you slice it.  And they're working off of bleeding edge theory with little or no empirical data - it's difficult if not impossible to test at small scale, and they have no data (yet) for simulations.

The first time they engage the drive, for some bolonium reason, the warp field encompasses the entire Moon, and the Moon gets dragged off God knows where before the drive can be shut down.  Even worse, the thing steers worse than an early Model 40 TARDIS.  They can - maybe - make it go, and stop, but the relationship between where they think they're pointing it and which way it actually *goes* is purely random.  It needs more work, and more experimentation, and more data.

The characters would reengage the drive whenever they have something worked out that they think will get them home.  This moves them to the next planet or whatever is needed for story purposes.  Maybe one jump per season?

No nuclear explosions necessary, no covering many light years in normal space within a human lifetime, no handy black holes / wormholes needed for shortcuts.

This changes the dynamic of the stories somewhat.  Instead of being helpless pawns, our characters have some degree of *control* over their situation.  They always have the possibility of a happy ending and getting home - if *only* they can solve the puzzles they are presented with.  This is a trope that has been used many, many times - from Robinson Crusoe to Lost in Space to Sliders to Time Tunnel to Gilligan's Island to Stargate: Universe.  And I'm sure there are many more.

But my contention is that this premise is still recognizably 'Space: 1999' and repairs the worst of the flaws in the original show bible.  (*cough* Exploding Nuclear Waste Dumps *cough*)  I submit that in the hands of Joss Whedon or J. Michael Straczynski, this could be a successful show.

As Joel Robinson would say, 'What do you think, Sirs?'


Not bad until you realize life of earth would be destroyed on a ginormous scale. No point in coming back.
 
2021-01-04 4:00:51 PM  
What? no love for Banjo?

Shaghetti Western
Youtube KRSJrTK1kdg
 
2021-01-04 4:00:54 PM  

BafflerMeal: But my contention is that this premise is still recognizably 'Space: 1999' and repairs the worst of the flaws in the original show bible.  (*cough* Exploding Nuclear Waste Dumps *cough*)  I submit that in the hands of Joss Whedon or J. Michael Straczynski, this could be a successful show.

As Joel Robinson would say, 'What do you think, Sirs?'


Not bad until you realize life of earth would be destroyed on a ginormous scale. No point in coming back.


OK, so there's a seed for a sister series.

Assume for now (literary license and physics we don't understand yet) that Earth is in trouble because Luna is gone, no tides, etc.  Seismic upheavals, and so forth - that the fact that Luna is gone is the only problem we have to overcome.  (I.E., the planet itself hasn't been ripped in half by the warp field.)

Earth initiates a massive survive-or-die effort to - Replace the Moon!

Every resource of manpower, wealth, and political will on the planet is focused on putting Mass into orbit around Earth to try and take up some of the slack for the missing Luna.

Ceres, Phobos, Deimos, whatever we can grab and move, just dump it in a big pile at orbital point 'X'.

Supercomputers working out what the minimal acceptable mass is, and how close does it need to be to make up for the fact that we won't be able to match Luna's mass?  The stereotypical astronomers coming to blows over disputed abstruse math.

People advocating for mass migration to Mars or the Belt, fighting with those who want to try and rescue the entire damn planet by cobbling together an ersatz counterweight.  It's 'When Worlds Collide', reimagined.

Yes, it's a stupid plot, yes, it's doomed to fail.  But there's a shiatload of tension and conflict and a framework for telling human stories.  Is it really any worse than any number of stupid shiat shows that made it onto the air?
 
2021-01-04 4:10:05 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: BafflerMeal: But my contention is that this premise is still recognizably 'Space: 1999' and repairs the worst of the flaws in the original show bible.  (*cough* Exploding Nuclear Waste Dumps *cough*)  I submit that in the hands of Joss Whedon or J. Michael Straczynski, this could be a successful show.

As Joel Robinson would say, 'What do you think, Sirs?'


Not bad until you realize life of earth would be destroyed on a ginormous scale. No point in coming back.

OK, so there's a seed for a sister series.

Assume for now (literary license and physics we don't understand yet) that Earth is in trouble because Luna is gone, no tides, etc.  Seismic upheavals, and so forth - that the fact that Luna is gone is the only problem we have to overcome.  (I.E., the planet itself hasn't been ripped in half by the warp field.)

Earth initiates a massive survive-or-die effort to - Replace the Moon!

Every resource of manpower, wealth, and political will on the planet is focused on putting Mass into orbit around Earth to try and take up some of the slack for the missing Luna.

Ceres, Phobos, Deimos, whatever we can grab and move, just dump it in a big pile at orbital point 'X'.

Supercomputers working out what the minimal acceptable mass is, and how close does it need to be to make up for the fact that we won't be able to match Luna's mass?  The stereotypical astronomers coming to blows over disputed abstruse math.

People advocating for mass migration to Mars or the Belt, fighting with those who want to try and rescue the entire damn planet by cobbling together an ersatz counterweight.  It's 'When Worlds Collide', reimagined.

Yes, it's a stupid plot, yes, it's doomed to fail.  But there's a shiatload of tension and conflict and a framework for telling human stories.  Is it really any worse than any number of stupid shiat shows that made it onto the air?


Not bad.
 
2021-01-04 4:22:51 PM  

thespindrifter: Any "Terra Nova" fans out there? I had a love-hate relationship with Terra Nova and the shiat writing, but it had soooo much potential that once again was just coming to its strength when Fox shiatcanned it right when it was getting good. It could have been the new "Land Of The Lost" and was headed in that direction when it got scuttled and that will always piss me off. I think it's highly under-rated as newbie Sci-Fi shows go.


I liked Terra Nova overall, and the final episode was great.  Left a lot of open questions though, and too bad it never got a wrap-up.
The entire concept of using time travel to colonize earth millions of years into the past to escape from a dying planet is interesting, with humans finding out out the hard way they are no longer at the top of the food chain.
And being fairly recent (2011) it means that the dinosaur special effects are good/realistic enough to not detract from the story itself.


Another decent show IMO was the British show "Primeval" (2007-2011), which lasted for 5 seasons.
Primeval: Series 1-2 Trailer
Youtube cEEZjVQkSfY

(There was a Canadian spin-off called "Primeval: New World'' which was set in Canada, and lasted for 1 season... Weaker than the original)
 
2021-01-04 4:37:25 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Stratohead: Dollhouse could have been good...first couple of episodes were not well written and for a show that had as its premise , the core of the plot was people who could be programed to pretend to be anyone of any background or profession...casting Elisha Dushku was a huge mistake. nice lady...but EXTREMELY limited acting range.

I have mentioned before that they didn't "cast" Eliza. It was her production deal with Fox, they asked her to come up with a series for her to star in, she talked to Joss, he came up with the idea. She was the star before they came up with the show.

And I think she can act. She was just well known and has a strong image. It's like watching a Sean Connery movie. You never forget you're watching Sean Connery.  So when she's playing different characters you can never forget she's Eliza Dushku. With the others they were unknown, and several introduced before we knew they were dolls, so it is far easier to accept them as different people.


didn't say she COULDN'T act...just said her acting range is EXTREMELY limited. Sean Connery is over-rated , he's like the UK's answer to John Wayne. really popular...not all that great....or perhaps he is the Scottish Michael Caine....shows up... phones in his lines like a pro, then goes home.
 
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