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2021-01-03 8:54:47 PM  
Underrated sci-fi TV shows with a cult following you need to watch

Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy (1981)
The Prisoner (1967)
Dollhouse (2009)
The Tripods (1984)
Aeon Flux (1991)
V (1983)
Space 1999 (1975)
Terrahawks (1983)
Star Blazers (1979)
Firefly (2002)



TFA's author sounds young.
 
2021-01-03 8:58:50 PM  
Is HitchHikers the one that everyone loves?

I think it misses out on some modern cheesey sci-fi. Early seasons of Andromeda weren't terrible. Same for Dark Matter
 
2021-01-03 9:01:18 PM  
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2021-01-03 9:02:58 PM  

Ginnungagap42: Underrated sci-fi TV shows with a cult following you need to watch

Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy (1981)
The Prisoner (1967)
Dollhouse (2009)
The Tripods (1984)
Aeon Flux (1991)
V (1983)
Space 1999 (1975)
Terrahawks (1983)
Star Blazers (1979)
Firefly (2002)


TFA's author sounds young.


Agreed - the only one I haven't seen more than once is Tripod. Didn't get much Brit TV here in Texas until recently
 
2021-01-03 9:19:32 PM  
I loved Starblazers as a kid, it was one of those shows that was here and gone. I couldn't remember its name for like 10 years and then finally I found tapes in a blockbuster of all places. The animation is just so good. I started watching the updated Yamato 2199 and it gives me all the nostalgia.

But yeah Firefly is good and it isn't overrated.

V is pretty bad and might be a little overrated.
 
2021-01-03 9:21:48 PM  
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2021-01-03 9:24:42 PM  
Glad to see Dollhouse getting some love. After the first few episodes it started getting really interesting. Covered the same themes as Westworld did a few years later, identity, who am I? Am I real?
 
2021-01-03 9:32:28 PM  

TheMaskedArmadillo: Ginnungagap42: Underrated sci-fi TV shows with a cult following you need to watch

Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy (1981)
The Prisoner (1967)
Dollhouse (2009)
The Tripods (1984)
Aeon Flux (1991)
V (1983)
Space 1999 (1975)
Terrahawks (1983)
Star Blazers (1979)
Firefly (2002)


TFA's author sounds young.

Agreed - the only one I haven't seen more than once is Tripod. Didn't get much Brit TV here in Texas until recently


Same here, although I have now seen it on YouTube. I did read the books when I was a kid (and the books were fairly new).
 
2021-01-03 9:37:35 PM  
The Prisoner is sci-fi?
 
2021-01-03 9:58:14 PM  
John Christopher's story is about three young boys attempting to not be "capped,"

Never would've guessed that this term originated with science fiction.
 
2021-01-03 10:18:50 PM  
"V" was awesome. Even though I was like 7, Diana (Jane Badler) was totally hot (ignoring the whole reptile  thing) and Ham Tyler (Michael Ironside) was a total badass.

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2021-01-03 10:39:58 PM  

Mugato: "V" was awesome. Even though I was like 7, Diana (Jane Badler) was totally hot (ignoring the whole reptile  thing) and Ham Tyler (Michael Ironside) was a total badass.

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It's difficult to think of a non-star who automatically kicks up the intensity of a movie the way Ironside does.
 
2021-01-03 10:44:17 PM  
List is missing Red Dwarf.
 
2021-01-03 10:48:21 PM  
I re-watched Fringe recently and it was even better on a second watching.
 
2021-01-03 10:56:37 PM  
Hey guys!

I have V and Amerika on VHS! Wanna come over and binge watch with me?

I have to take a pass on Space 1999 and the Prisoner. They both have levels of drama that are way way below my threshold. I have a hard time watching a complete Prisoner episode without dozing off. And Space 1999 was always a writer's nightmare. Didn't they fall into Monster of the Week by about the fifth episode?

Sigh.... I guess I understand the lack of love for LOST IN SPACE, LAND OF THE GIANTS, and VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA, but those were some fun SF shows. Each had one or two classic episodes... haha... and that is about it.

Hey.. But Wild Wild West. That is SF, right?
 
2021-01-03 11:58:48 PM  
Farscape?  Babylon 5?  Or maybe Blake's 7?
 
2021-01-04 12:06:25 AM  
No Frisky Dingo?
 
2021-01-04 1:02:07 AM  

Ginnungagap42: Underrated sci-fi TV shows with a cult following you need to watch

Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy (1981)
The Prisoner (1967)
Dollhouse (2009)
The Tripods (1984)
Aeon Flux (1991)
V (1983)
Space 1999 (1975)
Terrahawks (1983)
Star Blazers (1979)
Firefly (2002)


TFA's author sounds young.


How old are you that stuff from the 70s is young?
 
2021-01-04 1:05:01 AM  
Seaquest has a cult following. I count as a cult, right?
 
2021-01-04 1:09:39 AM  
I've seen seven of the ten. Of them, Vis the most overrated. Totally devoid of imagination. I remember one time when they brought back an actor they had killed by introducing his twin.

Except the aliens wore masks to appear human. Why did they use that tired soap opera trope when all they needed to do was have the alien say, "I like the look of this mask; I'll wear that."?

My mother encapsulated the problem. She never watched SF, but she did watch the show because the daughter of her college roommate was in it. One episode showed a wedding of two of the visitors. She later said, "It was just like a Jewish wedding except instead of breaking a wineglass, they ate a rat."
 
2021-01-04 1:10:14 AM  
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2021-01-04 1:37:17 AM  

ineeda42: Farscape?  Babylon 5?  Or maybe Blake's 7?


The list was for underrated ones.
 
2021-01-04 1:38:48 AM  
The Tripods?  I didn't realize they made a TV series about that.  I used to read a monthly comic strip based upon those books that appeared in Boys Life magazine when I was a kid.  The aliens came for everyone on their 13th birthday to put the cap on their head, so the rebellion against the alien overlords had to be led by teenagers who managed to avoid getting the cap somehow.
 
2021-01-04 1:42:09 AM  
The Prisoner tries so hard to have dramatic personal interactions and unexpected plot, then resolves almost every episode with a climactic fistfight.

/I always thought that the small demographics of the melodrama-puzzle-pugilism set was why the show didn't last
//You know what's underrated? The 10th season of Stargate SG-1, when it became Farscandromeda.  I know the fans felt betrayed, but it had a couple episodes that were high quality edge-seaters.
///There must be 3, this is the rule
 
2021-01-04 1:50:01 AM  

Mugato: "V" was awesome. Even though I was like 7, Diana (Jane Badler) was totally hot (ignoring the whole reptile  thing)

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2021-01-04 2:03:44 AM  

Ginnungagap42: Underrated sci-fi TV shows with a cult following you need to watch

Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy (1981)
The Prisoner (1967)
Dollhouse (2009)
The Tripods (1984)
Aeon Flux (1991)
V (1983)
Space 1999 (1975)
Terrahawks (1983)
Star Blazers (1979)
Firefly (2002)


TFA's author sounds young.


...right?

ineeda42: Farscape?  Babylon 5?  Or maybe Blake's 7?


I like pointing folks at the weirder series, the ones that didn't quite make it, like The Phoenix, Automan, Exo-Man, and M.A.N.T.I.S., just for fun.
 
2021-01-04 2:05:40 AM  

germ78: List is missing Red Dwarf.


The kids wouldn't find it fun any more. Mr. Flibble is very cross.
 
2021-01-04 2:06:23 AM  

FormlessOne: Ginnungagap42: Underrated sci-fi TV shows with a cult following you need to watch

Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy (1981)
The Prisoner (1967)
Dollhouse (2009)
The Tripods (1984)
Aeon Flux (1991)
V (1983)
Space 1999 (1975)
Terrahawks (1983)
Star Blazers (1979)
Firefly (2002)


TFA's author sounds young.

...right?

ineeda42: Farscape?  Babylon 5?  Or maybe Blake's 7?

I like pointing folks at the weirder series, the ones that didn't quite make it, like The Phoenix, Automan, Exo-Man, and M.A.N.T.I.S., just for fun.


MANTIS was cool.
 
2021-01-04 2:08:54 AM  

FormlessOne: germ78: List is missing Red Dwarf.

The kids wouldn't find it fun any more. Mr. Flibble is very cross.


I loved the new episode that came out last year.. even if everyone looked so very old now.  They met a warfleet of cat people.
 
2021-01-04 2:11:06 AM  

leeksfromchichis: FormlessOne: Ginnungagap42: Underrated sci-fi TV shows with a cult following you need to watch

Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy (1981)
The Prisoner (1967)
Dollhouse (2009)
The Tripods (1984)
Aeon Flux (1991)
V (1983)
Space 1999 (1975)
Terrahawks (1983)
Star Blazers (1979)
Firefly (2002)


TFA's author sounds young.

...right?

ineeda42: Farscape?  Babylon 5?  Or maybe Blake's 7?

I like pointing folks at the weirder series, the ones that didn't quite make it, like The Phoenix, Automan, Exo-Man, and M.A.N.T.I.S., just for fun.

MANTIS was cool.


Yep. Loved the show. I'm odd - I liked The Phoenix, too, but I was a kid entranced by the idea of such things at the time.
 
2021-01-04 2:12:11 AM  

Alphax: FormlessOne: germ78: List is missing Red Dwarf.

The kids wouldn't find it fun any more. Mr. Flibble is very cross.

I loved the new episode that came out last year.. even if everyone looked so very old now.  They met a warfleet of cat people.


I have it, but I haven't yet watched it - TBH, I've been worried that it might sully the romanticized joy I have with it. I'll give it a gander later this week, then.
 
2021-01-04 2:14:11 AM  

thrasherrr: The Prisoner tries so hard to have dramatic personal interactions and unexpected plot, then resolves almost every episode with a climactic fistfight.

/I always thought that the small demographics of the melodrama-puzzle-pugilism set was why the show didn't last
//You know what's underrated? The 10th season of Stargate SG-1, when it became Farscandromeda.  I know the fans felt betrayed, but it had a couple episodes that were high quality edge-seaters.
///There must be 3, this is the rule


As someone else already did, toss "Space: Above and Beyond" into that mix for your trifecta.
 
2021-01-04 2:17:19 AM  

FormlessOne: Alphax: FormlessOne: germ78: List is missing Red Dwarf.

The kids wouldn't find it fun any more. Mr. Flibble is very cross.

I loved the new episode that came out last year.. even if everyone looked so very old now.  They met a warfleet of cat people.

I have it, but I haven't yet watched it - TBH, I've been worried that it might sully the romanticized joy I have with it. I'll give it a gander later this week, then.


It's great.  Without giving too much away, I'll say that the Cat Warlord is trying to outlaw the worship of Cloister to make everyone listen to him alone, and so some cats go looking for Cloister for help.. who of course is Dave Lister.
 
2021-01-04 2:18:27 AM  

Alphax: FormlessOne: Alphax: FormlessOne: germ78: List is missing Red Dwarf.

The kids wouldn't find it fun any more. Mr. Flibble is very cross.

I loved the new episode that came out last year.. even if everyone looked so very old now.  They met a warfleet of cat people.

I have it, but I haven't yet watched it - TBH, I've been worried that it might sully the romanticized joy I have with it. I'll give it a gander later this week, then.

It's great.  Without giving too much away, I'll say that the Cat Warlord is trying to outlaw the worship of Cloister to make everyone listen to him alone, and so some cats go looking for Cloister for help.. who of course is Dave Lister.


Smeggin' 'ell. Should be fun, then. Thanks!
 
2021-01-04 2:18:47 AM  

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Did a dragonfly breed with the Event Horizon? What is that thing?
 
2021-01-04 2:21:11 AM  

Kassandry: Sliding Carp: [static.tvtropes.org image 350x242]

Did a dragonfly breed with the Event Horizon? What is that thing?


The LEXX. Seriously, if you're unfamiliar, take the time. Properly weird, that series, but fun as hell.
 
2021-01-04 2:21:25 AM  
Star Blazers is a great choice but no love for Battle of the Planets?

/LOVED Star Blazers
//Hurry, Star Blazers! You have only 249 days to save the Earth!
///3 slashies for number of startups to get to Mars
 
2021-01-04 2:22:15 AM  

brigid_fitch: Star Blazers is a great choice but no love for Battle of the Planets?

/LOVED Star Blazers
//Hurry, Star Blazers! You have only 249 days to save the Earth!
///3 slashies for number of startups to get to Mars


*Starjumps, not start ups.
 
2021-01-04 2:24:34 AM  

brigid_fitch: Star Blazers is a great choice but no love for Battle of the Planets?


...have you ever seen the original, non-Sandy-Frank story line for that show?

Not sure we were ready for Gatchaman.
 
2021-01-04 2:27:53 AM  

brigid_fitch: Star Blazers is a great choice but no love for Battle of the Planets?


My favorite TV show, when I was in the second grade.
 
2021-01-04 2:44:27 AM  

FormlessOne: Kassandry: Sliding Carp: [static.tvtropes.org image 350x242]

Did a dragonfly breed with the Event Horizon? What is that thing?

The LEXX. Seriously, if you're unfamiliar, take the time. Properly weird, that series, but fun as hell.


Will do! Thanks =)
 
2021-01-04 2:50:43 AM  

Kassandry: FormlessOne: Kassandry: Sliding Carp: [static.tvtropes.org image 350x242]

Did a dragonfly breed with the Event Horizon? What is that thing?

The LEXX. Seriously, if you're unfamiliar, take the time. Properly weird, that series, but fun as hell.

Will do! Thanks =)


I don't remember anything about lexx story wise, but I remember watching and loving it everytime I caught an episode.

My family didn't have the sci fi channel then, so I only caught it sporadically.
 
2021-01-04 2:51:32 AM  
most of that garbage is science fantasy, not fiction
 
2021-01-04 2:52:16 AM  

FormlessOne: Kassandry: Sliding Carp: [static.tvtropes.org image 350x242]

Did a dragonfly breed with the Event Horizon? What is that thing?

The LEXX. Seriously, if you're unfamiliar, take the time. Properly weird, that series, but fun as hell.


And the complete run is on youtube if you look.

Personally, I think the first season (4 2-hour) gets pretty tedious;  if you agree, just skip ahead.  You won't have any problem at all picking up the plot.  You do gain by going in sequence though.

/I'm one of the few who think that season 4 is pure brilliance
 
2021-01-04 2:52:24 AM  

fluffy_pope: The Prisoner is sci-fi?


Asimov's definition of science fiction is 'Literature that examines the effects on people's lives caused by changes in the level of science and technology'.  This can refer to social sciences as well - although The Village was somewhat ahead of the mundane world in the more expected sciences of physics ('the beam'), chemistry (psychodrugs), and electronics (surveillance systems) as well.

Not to mention Rover...

Oh, yes, The Prisoner easily qualifies as science fiction.
 
2021-01-04 2:53:01 AM  

Alphax: The Tripods?  I didn't realize they made a TV series about that.  I used to read a monthly comic strip based upon those books that appeared in Boys Life magazine when I was a kid.  The aliens came for everyone on their 13th birthday to put the cap on their head, so the rebellion against the alien overlords had to be led by teenagers who managed to avoid getting the cap somehow.



wasn't the name of one of the three books "The White Mountains?" Seems like i read them back in 6th or 7th grade.  I also think I remember something about the boys finding an old badass car from the older times like in the Rush song "Red Barchetta"
 
2021-01-04 2:56:51 AM  

elvisaintdead: Alphax: The Tripods?  I didn't realize they made a TV series about that.  I used to read a monthly comic strip based upon those books that appeared in Boys Life magazine when I was a kid.  The aliens came for everyone on their 13th birthday to put the cap on their head, so the rebellion against the alien overlords had to be led by teenagers who managed to avoid getting the cap somehow.


wasn't the name of one of the three books "The White Mountains?" Seems like i read them back in 6th or 7th grade.  I also think I remember something about the boys finding an old badass car from the older times like in the Rush song "Red Barchetta"


Yeah, The White Mountains was the first book.  I'm a little hazier about the others.. since I only read the comic strip version.
 
2021-01-04 2:57:34 AM  

2fardownthread: Hey guys!

I have V and Amerika on VHS! Wanna come over and binge watch with me?

I have to take a pass on Space 1999 and the Prisoner. They both have levels of drama that are way way below my threshold. I have a hard time watching a complete Prisoner episode without dozing off. And Space 1999 was always a writer's nightmare. Didn't they fall into Monster of the Week by about the fifth episode?

Sigh.... I guess I understand the lack of love for LOST IN SPACE, LAND OF THE GIANTS, and VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA, but those were some fun SF shows. Each had one or two classic episodes... haha... and that is about it.

Hey.. But Wild Wild West. That is SF, right?


I think Wild Wild West makes it in on the strength of 'Night of the Juggernaut', if nothing else.

But if you like Wild Wild West, see if you can find a (too) short-lived series called 'Legend', and see what Richard Dean Anderson was up to between MacGyver and Stargate SG-1.  (Plus it had John DeLancie as Hungarian mad scientist Janos Bartok).
 
2021-01-04 2:59:15 AM  

AppleOptionEsc: Ginnungagap42: Underrated sci-fi TV shows with a cult following you need to watch

Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy (1981)
The Prisoner (1967)
Dollhouse (2009)
The Tripods (1984)
Aeon Flux (1991)
V (1983)
Space 1999 (1975)
Terrahawks (1983)
Star Blazers (1979)
Firefly (2002)


TFA's author sounds young.

How old are you that stuff from the 70s is young?


I dunno about him, but for me, stuff from the 60s is young.

But then, I remember 'I Like Ike' campaign buttons...
 
2021-01-04 3:00:33 AM  

RealityChuck: I've seen seven of the ten. Of them, Vis the most overrated. Totally devoid of imagination. I remember one time when they brought back an actor they had killed by introducing his twin.

Except the aliens wore masks to appear human. Why did they use that tired soap opera trope when all they needed to do was have the alien say, "I like the look of this mask; I'll wear that."?

My mother encapsulated the problem. She never watched SF, but she did watch the show because the daughter of her college roommate was in it. One episode showed a wedding of two of the visitors. She later said, "It was just like a Jewish wedding except instead of breaking a wineglass, they ate a rat."


No.  In a list that includes both V and Lost in Space, V will never be the most overrated.
 
2021-01-04 3:05:06 AM  

FormlessOne: Ginnungagap42: Underrated sci-fi TV shows with a cult following you need to watch

Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy (1981)
The Prisoner (1967)
Dollhouse (2009)
The Tripods (1984)
Aeon Flux (1991)
V (1983)
Space 1999 (1975)
Terrahawks (1983)
Star Blazers (1979)
Firefly (2002)


TFA's author sounds young.

...right?

ineeda42: Farscape?  Babylon 5?  Or maybe Blake's 7?

I like pointing folks at the weirder series, the ones that didn't quite make it, like The Phoenix, Automan, Exo-Man, and M.A.N.T.I.S., just for fun.


Exo-Man and M.A.N.T.I.S. should have had good runs.  They had potential.

Whoever greenlit Automan should have been shot.

Hey, anybody remember 'Misfits of Science'?
 
2021-01-04 3:08:30 AM  

Kassandry: Sliding Carp: [static.tvtropes.org image 350x242]

Did a dragonfly breed with the Event Horizon? What is that thing?


LEXX.  And your analysis is nearly spot-on.

Developed nearly beyond recognition out of a dragonfly, it is a huge starship capable of destroying planets.

Lexx (the show) was basically a less-well-done Farscape.
 
2021-01-04 3:33:05 AM  

Alphax: It's great.  Without giving too much away, I'll say that the Cat Warlord is trying to outlaw the worship of Cloister to make everyone listen to him alone, and so some cats go looking for Cloister for help.. who of course is Dave Lister.


They also fixed the stupid traditional sci-fi door sounds.
 
2021-01-04 3:35:42 AM  

DON.MAC: They also fixed the stupid traditional sci-fi door sounds.


What, the large cat flaps?
 
2021-01-04 3:38:06 AM  
Cleopatra 2525
 
2021-01-04 3:46:15 AM  

Alphax: FormlessOne: germ78: List is missing Red Dwarf.

The kids wouldn't find it fun any more. Mr. Flibble is very cross.

I loved the new episode that came out last year.. even if everyone looked so very old now.  They met a warfleet of cat people.


Red Dwarf is fairly unique in that it's a space sci-fi series set in a universe where aliens do not exist at all. Zero. All of the odd races you see are either evolved household pets, artificial lifeforms, or GELF (Genetically Engineered Life Forms, created by humanity)
 
2021-01-04 3:51:33 AM  
 
2021-01-04 3:51:47 AM  

Excelsior: Alphax: FormlessOne: germ78: List is missing Red Dwarf.

The kids wouldn't find it fun any more. Mr. Flibble is very cross.

I loved the new episode that came out last year.. even if everyone looked so very old now.  They met a warfleet of cat people.

Red Dwarf is fairly unique in that it's a space sci-fi series set in a universe where aliens do not exist at all. Zero. All of the odd races you see are either evolved household pets, artificial lifeforms, or GELF (Genetically Engineered Life Forms, created by humanity)


Either that, or they're staying away.. don't want to get near all these weirdos.
 
2021-01-04 3:55:28 AM  
Spare a tear for the sci fi series we didn't get

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It would have been glorious
 
2021-01-04 4:28:37 AM  
1. The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy (1981): I have the vaguest memory of having heard one of the radio show versions, but I don't remember if I ever saw the TV show.
2. The Prisoner (1967): Before my time, so I never saw it. I played the 1980 Apple II+ game based on the TV series, but at that time I didn't even know the TV series existed, so it was one of those surreal games where I never could figure out what the fark was going on. Kind of like watching Lost.
3. Dollhouse (2009) I had too much other TV to watch that year.
4. The Tripods (1984) I loved the books! I never had any idea there was a TV series until now.
5. Aeon Flux (1991) Every now and then, I would tune into MTV in the middle of an episode, which was maddening because in 1991, there was no way to rewind or get full episodes or seasons of it (I did not have control of a VCR), so I would get fragments of a cartoon that was soooooo cool but inscrutably incomplete. Eventually in the 2010s I finally did experience the luxury of downloading the entire series and watching them from start to finish (I totally recommend it), and consulting Wikipedia's List of Aeon Flux episodes for explanations of what I still didn't understand from watching it.
6. V (1983) Diana eating the rat is an unforgettable meme for the ages. The entire show was the worst drek that science fiction TV has ever had to offer but we liked it anyway because that was pretty good TV for the 1980s, and what do you know? We still have nutters who believe in LIZARD PEOPLE.
7. Space 1999 (1975): Never watched this. Was in an area of the US that did not air it.
8. Terrahawks (1983): Huh? I never heard of this. It looks ghastly.
9. Star Blazers (1979): I watched a lot of TV cartoons on Saturday mornings but I don't think I ever saw one of these.
10. Firefly (2002): I'm certainly aware that it's considered one of the best TV shows ever, but I've never felt like getting around to watching something so cruelly cancelled.
 
2021-01-04 4:32:00 AM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Kassandry: Sliding Carp: [static.tvtropes.org image 350x242]

Did a dragonfly breed with the Event Horizon? What is that thing?

LEXX.  And your analysis is nearly spot-on.

Developed nearly beyond recognition out of a dragonfly, it is a huge starship capable of destroying planets.

Lexx (the show) was basically a less-well-done Farscape.


I always thought of it as the comedy version of farscape
 
2021-01-04 5:02:52 AM  

GregoryD: I loved Starblazers as a kid, it was one of those shows that was here and gone. I couldn't remember its name for like 10 years and then finally I found tapes in a blockbuster of all places. The animation is just so good. I started watching the updated Yamato 2199 and it gives me all the nostalgia.

But yeah Firefly is good and it isn't overrated.

V is pretty bad and might be a little overrated.


Me too. I grew up on it. I "blame" Star Blazers for my love of animation in general and specifically anime.

I used to get home from school just in time for the last ten minutes if we were on time. My cousin who lived across the street and went to a closer school, would see whole episodes. I only got to really watch when I stayed home or got out early.

Apparently it was one of the first anime shows to hit mainstream in the US.
 
2021-01-04 5:22:29 AM  

FarkingChas: Mugato: "V" was awesome. Even though I was like 7, Diana (Jane Badler) was totally hot (ignoring the whole reptile  thing)

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So was June Chadwick and Faye Grant

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Goddamn that is some 80s hair
 
2021-01-04 5:25:14 AM  

born_yesterday: Goddamn that is some 80s hair


And it was GLORIOUS!
 
2021-01-04 5:37:28 AM  
List fails without "Quark".
 
2021-01-04 6:30:07 AM  

fluffy_pope: The Prisoner is sci-fi?


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2021-01-04 6:32:34 AM  

fluffy_pope: The Prisoner is sci-fi?


That would be telling.
 
2021-01-04 6:52:12 AM  
I never really watched The Prisoner, but it was cited as an influence on Babylon 5.  Mainly with government agents who used numbers as their names, and a 'be seeing you' catchphrase used in a few places.
 
2021-01-04 7:09:43 AM  
The only thing worse than Space 1999 was how it's fans thought the show was superior to Star Trek.
 
2021-01-04 7:29:16 AM  
Black Scorpion?  (2001 tv series)
 
2021-01-04 7:50:47 AM  
The animated Star Trek was something I liked watching in my youth , haven't re-watched it in centuries so I can't say if it holds up.

Flash Gordon cartoon was also awesome , and Thundarr
 
2021-01-04 7:52:41 AM  

saturn badger: You can visit The Village.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portmeir​ion


I did.  Back in 1980.

I still have my admission ticket and souvenir map books.  And a pile of photos.
 
2021-01-04 7:57:28 AM  

Raider_dad: The animated Star Trek was something I liked watching in my youth , haven't re-watched it in centuries so I can't say if it holds up.

Flash Gordon cartoon was also awesome , and Thundarr


Star Trek: TAS... was about 98% stock footage each week.  But then the same went for most animated shows at the time.  And I think they just let Spock figure out the problem each week.

My vague memories of Flash Gordan were that it was amazing for a few weeks.. then started recycling footage like mad, too.
 
2021-01-04 8:10:38 AM  
No love for "Dark Matter"?

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2021-01-04 8:11:13 AM  

Alphax: Raider_dad: The animated Star Trek was something I liked watching in my youth , haven't re-watched it in centuries so I can't say if it holds up.

Flash Gordon cartoon was also awesome , and Thundarr

Star Trek: TAS... was about 98% stock footage each week.  But then the same went for most animated shows at the time.  And I think they just let Spock figure out the problem each week.


How ST:TAS was made.

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2021-01-04 8:14:50 AM  

leeksfromchichis: Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Kassandry: Sliding Carp: [static.tvtropes.org image 350x242]

Did a dragonfly breed with the Event Horizon? What is that thing?

LEXX.  And your analysis is nearly spot-on.

Developed nearly beyond recognition out of a dragonfly, it is a huge starship capable of destroying planets.

Lexx (the show) was basically a less-well-done Farscape.

I always thought of it as the comedy version of farscape


I think we're all forgetting one of the best reasons for LEXX

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2021-01-04 8:16:29 AM  
As a young lad I really liked 'Space 1999'. A while back I found the episodes online and tried to watch it but I just couldn't as it did not age well at all.
 
2021-01-04 8:18:42 AM  
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2021-01-04 8:21:15 AM  

Befuddled: As a young lad I really liked 'Space 1999'. A while back I found the episodes online and tried to watch it but I just couldn't as it did not age well at all.


UFO is much better, if you're looking for a Gerry and Sylvia Anderson live action series.   Also, the 1980 of 1970 was much sexier than the 1999 of 1975 was.
 
2021-01-04 8:22:02 AM  

Sliding Carp: FormlessOne: Kassandry: Sliding Carp: [static.tvtropes.org image 350x242]

Did a dragonfly breed with the Event Horizon? What is that thing?

The LEXX. Seriously, if you're unfamiliar, take the time. Properly weird, that series, but fun as hell.

And the complete run is on youtube if you look.

Personally, I think the first season (4 2-hour) gets pretty tedious;  if you agree, just skip ahead.  You won't have any problem at all picking up the plot.  You do gain by going in sequence though.

/I'm one of the few who think that season 4 is pure brilliance


The first season had Eva Habermann. That's reason enough to watch it.
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2021-01-04 8:23:56 AM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Kassandry: Sliding Carp: [static.tvtropes.org image 350x242]

Did a dragonfly breed with the Event Horizon? What is that thing?

LEXX.  And your analysis is nearly spot-on.

Developed nearly beyond recognition out of a dragonfly, it is a huge starship capable of destroying planets.

Lexx (the show) was basically a less-well-done Farscape.


Lexx: what if Farscape, but both sexier and sillier?
 
2021-01-04 8:25:24 AM  

germ78: List is missing Red Dwarf.


and robotech
 
2021-01-04 8:27:57 AM  

evilsofa: 6. V (1983) Diana eating the rat is an unforgettable meme for the ages. The entire show was the worst drek that science fiction TV has ever had to offer but we liked it anyway because that was pretty good TV for the 1980s, and what do you know? We still have nutters who believe in LIZARD PEOPLE.


I got news for you.   That lizard people thing didn't start with V.  It was a well-established nutter meme long before V was aired.   In fact, V *EXPLOITED* that meme.

Prior to V we had things like the Sleestak on "Land of the Lost", and I'm pretty sure those were based on themes found in UFO conspiracy/hoaxes, so V really can't be blamed for that sort of thing.
 
2021-01-04 8:32:55 AM  
Dollhouse definitely was underrated, but I have friends who would find it triggering (not "upsetting", triggering).  They played with some really messed up themes. And Eliza Dushku and Dichen Lachman.

Space 1999 was way overrated (except the episode "Dragon's Domain" - Cthulhu in outer space, with 1970s mod costumes).  The premise is mildly cool, if utterly divorced from high school physics; the moon, and it's freedom and peace loving, groovy base go tripping through the universe meeting hippies and groovy places that seem to be inspired by Peter Max. But the execution is way too groovy and trying to be trippy and the characters are not developed well. Even Catherine Schell didn't make up for the lameness.
 
2021-01-04 8:33:24 AM  

Tater1337: germ78: List is missing Red Dwarf.

and robotech


I'm putting in a vote for Kolchak: The Night Stalker.

Yeah, most of it is straight up horror/fantasy, but there are episodes that are clearly sci-fi.   Specifically, these absolutely are sci-fi:

They Have Been, They Are, They Will Be... (Aliens/UFO)

Mr. R.I.N.G.  (humanoid robot)

And arguably these also:

Primal Scream (cell samples grown into a prehistoric primate)

The Sentry (Lizard man - in 1975, so the meme is older than V)
 
2021-01-04 8:37:44 AM  

tjassen: Me too. I grew up on it. I "blame" Star Blazers for my love of animation in general and specifically anime.


You sound like a youngster.  I cut my anime teeth on Speed Racer and Marine Boy.

And in the same time period I watched Ultraman and Johnny Sokko.   Ultraman still holds up fairly well, especially if you watch the Japanese version with subtitles instead of the English dubbed version.

Johnny Sokko is just horribly bad.
 
2021-01-04 8:42:59 AM  

Ginnungagap42: Underrated sci-fi TV shows with a cult following you need to watch

Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy (1981)

-Great version
The Prisoner (1967)
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Phenomenal sci-fi asking the big questions. Allegorical masterpiece that doesn't hold your hand.
Dollhouse (2009)
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Will catch it sometime
The Tripods (1984)
-Never heard of it
Aeon Flux (1991)
-Very cool shorts but never saw it in its entirety
V (1983)
-I was in Germany so I never really saw this
Space 1999 (1975)
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Great production values marred by bad scripts. Loved it as a kid, it has not aged well. First season they tried to
emulate 2001.  Second season they tried to emulate Star Trek. Both failed.  A few gems here and there though.
Terrahawks (1983)
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Not seen
Star Blazers (1979)
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I have fond memories but can't remember many details
Firefly (2002)
-A genre mix that, IMO, is one of the best things put on TV in the last 20 years.  A fun space opera on TV with good writing, great characters and uber attractive actors.
 
2021-01-04 8:45:00 AM  

dittybopper: Befuddled: As a young lad I really liked 'Space 1999'. A while back I found the episodes online and tried to watch it but I just couldn't as it did not age well at all.

UFO is much better, if you're looking for a Gerry and Sylvia Anderson live action series.   Also, the 1980 of 1970 was much sexier than the 1999 of 1975 was.


UFO deserves a place on the list.
50 years ago, Gerry & Sylvia Anderson were monetizing nutjob conspiracy theories that I still hear crazy people going on about.
Also: it does a great job of showing the human interactions.  The episode "Responsibility Seat" was one of my favorites.
 
2021-01-04 8:46:23 AM  
Laobaojun:

Space 1999 was way overrated (except the episode "Dragon's Domain" - Cthulhu in outer space, with 1970s mod costumes).

Force of Life
was another pretty solid episode.
 
2021-01-04 8:55:23 AM  
List fails without Space: Above and Beyond,cancelled after one season. If any show needs a reboot....
 
2021-01-04 8:57:32 AM  
tjassen: ...
Me too. I grew up on it. I "blame" Star Blazers for my love of animation in general and specifically anime.
...


I feel similar about Yvonne Craig and my taste for redheads and bondage.

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2021-01-04 9:04:17 AM  
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2021-01-04 9:04:52 AM  
Another science fiction military show that needs more love: Exo-Squad.

Highbody count. Harsh themes. Antagonists with understandable motives.

For your wiki pleasure
 
2021-01-04 9:08:05 AM  
Aeon Flux was great. It was such a weird little show.  And I think I'm the only one in the world who really liked the Charlize Theron movie.
 
2021-01-04 9:08:24 AM  
1. The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy (1981):  I remember watching this on PBS back in the 1980's.  I'm actually currently re-watching it on Amazon Prime.  It is *SO* farkin' British.  Like, if you put it in a wine press and squeezed it, you'd get a few pints of bitter balanced by wit drier than Weetabix

2. The Prisoner (1967): I love this show.   Again, something I originally watched on PBS back in the 1980's.  If I ever get the money to spend on frivolous transportation, I'm going to buy a Caterham and paint it to look like the Lotus 7 in that show.

3. Dollhouse (2009):  Haven't seen it.  

4. The Tripods (1984):  I remember reading the books in school and enjoying them.  I'll have to look for this one.

5. Aeon Flux (1991):  Haven't seen it.

6. V (1983):  Watched this back when it was on, and it was good, but some things made my eyes roll.   The whole "Teflon coated bullet" thing, and of course the whole parallel with Nazism.

7. Space 1999 (1975): Watched it when I was a kid, and I liked it, but honestly if you want an Anderson fix the series "UFO" is better.   In fact, the supermarionation series Anderson did, "Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons" is better.

8. Terrahawks (1983): Haven't seen it.

9. Star Blazers (1979):  I used to watch this as a kid/younger teen.  It was OK, but honestly I liked some of the earlier anime better.  Plus, we now know that the scratches in the IJN Clamato ain't gonna buff out like that.

10. Firefly (2002):  I didn't see this one for a *LONG* time.  I remember seeing the commercials for it, but I was usually busy doing something else when it aired, and it wasn't on long enough for me to want to see it.  Just another forgotten half-season show, like Quark or Szysznyk.   Then my father had me watch a couple episodes (he had the series on DVD).  I liked it.  So I watched it on Netflix, and had my wife get me the series on DVD.
 
2021-01-04 9:12:15 AM  

DanInKansas: List fails without Space: Above and Beyond,cancelled after one season. If any show needs a reboot....


This.
It was aired during that weird moment when the average American was high-fiving about the end of the Cold War and no more wars, "Yay!" and the realization that we won't be out of Bosnia in one year. Or two. Or... (we still have troops there).  Folks didn't get just how timeless the themes were.
There was a brief pan of McQueen's bookshelf in his cabin. The titles drove home how well researched and thought out the show was.

My fear regarding a reboot; some wanker trying to out do BSG's "dark & gritty". Producers & directors who would over stylize and sacrifice quality of story for artistic vision.
 
2021-01-04 9:16:45 AM  

DanInKansas: Another science fiction military show that needs more love: Exo-Squad.

Highbody count. Harsh themes. Antagonists with understandable motives.

For your wiki pleasure


Pls to be remembering:

Spiral Zone Intro
Youtube uvHxhUyPiq4
 
2021-01-04 9:19:45 AM  
Speaking of V, the re-imagined 2009 series was better than the 1983 version.

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It was well acted, and of course the special effects were better, but it was also better written.

Except for one major flaw.

The visitors have been infiltrating Earth society for at least a couple of decades, and have weaseled their way into all manner of government and corporate society.   It has overwhelming technology.

Yet "The Resistance" relies on cell phones to communicate.   Every time there is an incident against the V's, the same people are there, carrying their cell phones.   And then they call each other afterwards.  Even relatively backwards 2009-era governments couldn't fail to notice that kind of thing (https://www.npr.org/2011/12/14/14363​96​70/the-technology-helping-repressive-r​egimes-spy ).

I didn't actually notice it at first, because it was an engaging story, but pretty soon I was like "OK, these aliens are so stupider they must be from Jupiter".  The Resistance would have been rolled up in a few episodes at most, if it had happened like that in real life.
 
2021-01-04 9:24:04 AM  

Laobaojun: dittybopper: Befuddled: As a young lad I really liked 'Space 1999'. A while back I found the episodes online and tried to watch it but I just couldn't as it did not age well at all.

UFO is much better, if you're looking for a Gerry and Sylvia Anderson live action series.   Also, the 1980 of 1970 was much sexier than the 1999 of 1975 was.

UFO deserves a place on the list.
50 years ago, Gerry & Sylvia Anderson were monetizing nutjob conspiracy theories that I still hear crazy people going on about.
Also: it does a great job of showing the human interactions.  The episode "Responsibility Seat" was one of my favorites.


One of mine is "The Dalotek Affair".   When people get too close to understanding what SHADO is about, they wipe their memories.  Scary.
 
2021-01-04 9:35:53 AM  

SirEattonHogg: [dvdbash.files.wordpress.com image 850x248]

Well that prior photo didn't come out.  Anyhow, you get what I mean.


Stripping LEXX's EXIF may not yield the squashing you desire.
 
2021-01-04 9:41:18 AM  

fluffy_pope: The Prisoner is sci-fi?


Poli Sci-Fi.
 
2021-01-04 9:49:14 AM  
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2021-01-04 10:07:51 AM  

Galileo's Daughter: [fastly.syfy.com image 850x481]
List fails without Mike/Joel/Jonah and the bots


No, this is about *UNDERRATED* shows, not *OVERRATED* ones.
 
2021-01-04 10:16:16 AM  

PerpetualPeristalsis: Laobaojun:

Space 1999 was way overrated (except the episode "Dragon's Domain" - Cthulhu in outer space, with 1970s mod costumes).

Force of Life was another pretty solid episode.


'Force of Life' was damn good.  So was 'The Infernal Machine'.  Barry Gray and guest Leo McKern just ignored Barbara Bain and Martin Landau and did some acting.

I have *never* understood the love for 'Dragon's Domain'.  For me, that was an absolutely rubbish story with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.  But a lot of people love it, and God knows, it takes all kinds...  I have fond memories of a lot of things that others regard as crap, so to each his own.
 
2021-01-04 10:17:40 AM  

AppleOptionEsc: Ginnungagap42: Underrated sci-fi TV shows with a cult following you need to watch

Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy (1981)
The Prisoner (1967)
Dollhouse (2009)
The Tripods (1984)
Aeon Flux (1991)
V (1983)
Space 1999 (1975)
Terrahawks (1983)
Star Blazers (1979)
Firefly (2002)


TFA's author sounds young.

How old are you that stuff from the 70s is young?



Let's just say I watched all of those first run except The Prisoner. The Space 1999 episode "Dragon's Domain" scared the bejeezus out of me as a kid.

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/ Too old to rock and roll
// Too young to die
 
2021-01-04 10:22:25 AM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: I have *never* understood the love for 'Dragon's Domain'.  For me, that was an absolutely rubbish story with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.  But a lot of people love it, and God knows, it takes all kinds...  I have fond memories of a lot of things that others regard as crap, so to each his own.


It's the monster.

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That was a creepy and imaginative monster for a mid-1970's TV show.
 
2021-01-04 10:23:30 AM  

dittybopper: Tater1337: germ78: List is missing Red Dwarf.

and robotech

I'm putting in a vote for Kolchak: The Night Stalker.

Yeah, most of it is straight up horror/fantasy, but there are episodes that are clearly sci-fi.   Specifically, these absolutely are sci-fi:

They Have Been, They Are, They Will Be... (Aliens/UFO)

Mr. R.I.N.G.  (humanoid robot)

And arguably these also:

Primal Scream (cell samples grown into a prehistoric primate)

The Sentry (Lizard man - in 1975, so the meme is older than V)



Seconded for Kolchak. The interplay between the Kolchak and the denizens of INS, especially his long-suffering boss is some of the best out there. Also, The Energy Eater is creepy.
 
2021-01-04 10:25:11 AM  

dittybopper: 1. The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy (1981):  I remember watching this on PBS back in the 1980's.  I'm actually currently re-watching it on Amazon Prime.  It is *SO* farkin' British.  Like, if you put it in a wine press and squeezed it, you'd get a few pints of bitter balanced by wit drier than Weetabix

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9. Star Blazers (1979):  I used to watch this as a kid/younger teen.  It was OK, but honestly I liked some of the earlier anime better.  Plus, we now know that the scratches in the IJN Clamato ain't gonna buff out like that.


I don't care what the writers said.  For me, story will always be that Earth was in a goddamn rush to get a mission launched, and didn't have time to design a new hull from scratch.  (Their existing space cruisers were too small for a mission like this.)  So they grabbed the plans for the biggest hull they had blueprints for.

They slapped 'fake rust' over the exposed parts to pretend to any Gamilon observers that it was really the sunken WWII hulk, but this is revealed as a literal cover story when we see how easily the rust falls away revealing sharp, clean new metal when then they take off.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
 
2021-01-04 10:27:48 AM  

dittybopper: Galileo's Daughter: [fastly.syfy.com image 850x481]
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No, this is about *UNDERRATED* shows, not *OVERRATED* ones.


I came in to nominate 'The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr.' for a place on the list.  The orb, the time travel elements, Professor Wickwire, all qualify it as science fiction.

But Brisco is anything but underrated.

Still, tip o' the hat and a nod of respect to a wonderful show.
 
2021-01-04 10:36:50 AM  

BafflerMeal: DanInKansas: Another science fiction military show that needs more love: Exo-Squad.

Highbody count. Harsh themes. Antagonists with understandable motives.

For your wiki pleasure

Pls to be remembering:

[YouTube video: Spiral Zone Intro]


That looks terrible
 
2021-01-04 10:41:16 AM  

DanInKansas: BafflerMeal: DanInKansas: Another science fiction military show that needs more love: Exo-Squad.

Highbody count. Harsh themes. Antagonists with understandable motives.

For your wiki pleasure

Pls to be remembering:

[YouTube video: Spiral Zone Intro]

That looks terrible


The story is pretty good for a Toy Ad.  Post-apocalyptic world.  Rampant Spiral "virus" storms destroying humanity. Vulnerable heros must wear special armour to protect themselves as they fight the infected and look for a way back.
 
2021-01-04 10:43:33 AM  

Ginnungagap42: Seconded for Kolchak. The interplay between the Kolchak and the denizens of INS, especially his long-suffering boss is some of the best out there. Also, The Energy Eater is creepy.


I just picked up the entire series on DVD, so I'll have a copy if NBC decides to stop streaming it.  Found it at WalMart.

Probably my favorite episode is "Horror in the Heights".
 
2021-01-04 10:54:16 AM  
Counterpart.  It's mostly cold war spy cat-and-mouse but parallel worlds plays a central role, with one of the world eerily resembling out quarantine reality, only if it goes on for 30 years.  Also, JK Simmons and Olivia Williams, who put in some great performances.  Everyone does IMO.  No one talks about it, probably because it's on STARZ, but is now also on Amazon Prime in the US.
 
2021-01-04 10:58:41 AM  
 
2021-01-04 10:59:12 AM  
Hey, any one else remember "Otherworld"?
 
2021-01-04 11:08:24 AM  
List is complete bullshiat without "Mork & Mindy".
 
2021-01-04 11:12:02 AM  

acad1228: No love for "Dark Matter"?

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Seconded, but it made me sad that the moment they knew that the show was dead the writers went straight into "DILLIGAFF" mode and went for every single trope in the known 'verse to end on. It was glorious while it lasted.

"Space: 1999" was a show that was sooooo very hit-or-miss, you just never knew what you were going to get. As early 70s kids we loved it because it felt more realistic technology-wise but that also instantly dated the show to that era. It was beautifully color-saturated (now more evident in the Blu-Ray restoration), the lead actors were all professionals who did their very damendest to take the show seriously in spite of it being so utterly ludicrous, and it had a certain pizazz that had been lacking from TV in general. It was hopeful in a time where even the Star Trek reruns on syndication felt depressing.

dittybopper: but [New V] was also better written.


I dunno about that man. I got most of the way through and just hated it. Sure, the original and the spinoff mini movies are terrible in hindsight, but compared to everything else that was on TV at the time it was almost serious, and far less cheesy than later episodes of most of the popular shows that were airing at the same time. I think I must be one of the only people on earth that finds Morena Baccharin's acting to be a detraction ... she's just dry and awful. Also, nothing could ever replace Robert Englund as "Willie" the friendly Visitor.

All you LEXX fans: I will never for the life of me understand what the hell you people saw in that show. It was awful, stop pretending it wasn't. LEXX was "Time Traxx" and "Timecop: The Series" levels of awful, maybe worse. I bet you're the same people who loved "Cleopatra 2525" aren't you?

"Seaquest" had its moments. Not unlike 'Space: 1999' it was very hit-or-miss and had some great ideas that they either trainwrecked on development or just ruined with bullshiat fantasy sequences like when they went up against Triton or whatever. "Earth: 2" was the other NBC show that had great moments but was ruined by bad writing in the end, and the utterly hatable idiot couple that was supposed to be comic relief or something? It also suffered from the "OH SO SPECIAL STAR CHILD" trope syndrome. That show had so much potential in its dystopian roots and they just let it die on the vine.

dittybopper: 4. The Tripods (1984): I remember reading the books in school and enjoying them. I'll have to look for this one.


A great show with serious acting for its time, but also suffering from BBC's notoriously shiatty special FX. I downloaded a copy of the series off BitTorrent @ 6 years ago and it generally held up.

dittybopper: 3. Dollhouse (2009): Haven't seen it.


Dollhouse struggled with the first few episodes which was a damned shame because eventually it bloomed just when you think it's dead on the vine. It's totally worth a look if you can hold your nose for the first few episodes when Eliza Dushku was trying to get a hold on her acting. I think it actually features some of Wheadon and Kinnear's best writing and was surprisingly fresh on re-viewing just two years back.

Any "Terra Nova" fans out there? I had a love-hate relationship with Terra Nova and the shiat writing, but it had soooo much potential that once again was just coming to its strength when Fox shiatcanned it right when it was getting good. It could have been the new "Land Of The Lost" and was headed in that direction when it got scuttled and that will always piss me off. I think it's highly under-rated as newbie Sci-Fi shows go.

Tater1337: germ78: List is missing Red Dwarf.

and Robotech


Red Dwarf was funny when I was 15, and I bought the whole set on DVD in my early 30s. I watched them twice and just never laughed, it seems it was really juvenile and only good for a guffaw or two once and that's it, it was funnier in memory than in reality. I recently sold the DVDs for trade for better things.

I went back and recently re-watched Robotech S1 on Amazon and found myself hitting FFWD a LOT. Seems like it got dumbed waaaay the hell down for the American releases and each episode kept treading old ground. I bet you could do a master re-cut of that entire season to a 2.5 hour movie that would be infinitely better and lose nothing; what a damned shame. I think we only ever liked "Star Blazers" back in the 80s for the exact same reason: it was new, it was "cool", and it was way better than Speed Racer but it's only interesting if you're a kid... it doesn't hold up well at all.

Raider_dad: The animated Star Trek was something I liked watching in my youth , haven't re-watched it in centuries so I can't say if it holds up.

Flash Gordon cartoon was also awesome , and Thundarr


ST: TAS is overly-simplified but has the added goodness of Niven's Universe critters such as the Slavers and the Kzinti. Flash Gordon was cool because it was different, and Thundarr was the same: Post-apocalyptic Sci-Fi/Fantasy with elements not before seen on TV presented like Animated Flinstones Vitamins for Anime-loving kids... also overly-simple but pretty damned interesting for 80s Saturday Morning TV, as opposed to oh say "Pac Man: the show".

ineeda42: Or maybe Blake's 7?


Other than perhaps "Sliders" or "Buck Rogers", this is one of the shows that did a lot with a little, looks terrible in hindsight and yet it had strong writing all the way through and is fully worthy of a modern remake. I mention "Sliders" because the first four episodes were totally serious, hard-core SciFi and Buck Rogers had also similarly started out strong. If Battlestar Galactica can get a serious remake and be awesome, so can those three. Hell, maybe even a "Space: 2199" re-imagining.
 
2021-01-04 11:17:23 AM  

fluffy_pope: The Prisoner is sci-fi?


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2021-01-04 11:20:46 AM  

thespindrifter: Any "Terra Nova" fans out there? I had a love-hate relationship with Terra Nova and the shiat writing, but it had soooo much potential that once again was just coming to its strength when Fox shiatcanned it right when it was getting good. It could have been the new "Land Of The Lost" and was headed in that direction when it got scuttled and that will always piss me off. I think it's highly under-rated as newbie Sci-Fi shows go.


I loved hate watching that show. It was a good Friday night with a beer or two mind turn off.

But yeah, the first and last episodes had decent premises to try to get you hooked or continue the story line by the writing on everything in-between was hot garbage

I'll throw out Helix as a bad but underrated science fiction-esqe TV show. It was definitely very wink and nod at the camera knowing it was working with a subpar plot. The first season was pretty good, the second, not as much. The ending felt very much like the writers were told they were getting canceled and to wrap it up.
 
2021-01-04 11:22:34 AM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: have *never* understood the love for 'Dragon's Domain'. For me, that was an absolutely rubbish story with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. But a lot of people love it, and God knows, it takes all kinds... I have fond memories of a lot of things that others regard as crap, so to each his own


The thing about "Dragon's Domain" is that it had an element of horror that somehow has a far-deeper impact in the imagination of children than the adults who created it ever could have realized. That show gave me and every kid I know who also saw it in my age range farking nightmares for YEARS. It was waaaay worse than the dread a 5 year old would feel watching a Dalek on classic Doctor Who reruns... that moon-eyed tentacled blob thing eating you in its firey maw and spitting out a charcoal briquette was absolutely traumatizing. Yes yes, looking back at it now the acting and the Fx was pure rubbish, but the story about the haunting is still solid. It's a nightmare ghost tale that rates up there with the WW II pilots crashing in zombie hell in the movie "Heavy Metal". It's the kind of nightmare that every kid has had, possibly even as a night terror, and seeing it when conscious and awake pulled that demonic horror right out of the ID and into daylight where it was inescapable and made it all the more real somehow... it was a "trigger" moment if there ever was one.

dittybopper: Hey, any one else remember "Otherworld"?


I also torrented that in its entirety @ 6 years ago and still have it; I don't think it ever got  DVD release? If it did I never saw it. It went from "Okayish" to outright cheesy in a matter of episodes and Jonathan Banks was the absolute best part of that show. The concept was solid in a twisted take on "Land Of The Lost", but they went downhill fast. Between the preachy "Narcochalk" anti-drug episode to the "Rock n Roll Ripoff" episode it was just terrible. Someone slapped together a cool idea with absolutely no idea how to flesh it out properly. If there was ever a show that deserved a "grimdark" remake, I'll nominate Otherworld for that honor, especially if they could get Jonathan Banks back in a guest role of some kind.
 
2021-01-04 11:23:56 AM  
I agree with 3 of them on the list.

Aeon Flux
Star Blazers
Firefly

I watched V as a kid, but I hadn't hit puberty yet so I have no impressionable fondness for that show and I thought it was just a weird show... I tried to watch the remake and didn't care for it either.

I actually didn't like the BBC Hitchhiker's guide... Even though it was basically a faithful page to screen adaptation, some things are better on page than on screen. And HGTTG is one of them. The newer movie with Martin Freeman was entertaining though Adams did change a lot to make it more movie palatable.

I couldn't get into Dollhouse and I really did try... I think I watched 3 or 4 episodes and was just kinda done with it.

The rest on that list I think I'm too young for as I don't recognize any of them at all...
 
2021-01-04 11:25:06 AM  
Here's a few more perfectly watchable shows that get little love -

Roughnecks - Starship Troopers Chronicles (CGI series, tries to split the difference between the movie and the book)

Forever (Ioan Gruffud as a doctor / medical examiner cursed with Immortality)

John Doe (a man wakes up with pretty much all known knowledge stuffed into his head - except for anything pertaining to who he is and where he came from)
 
2021-01-04 11:25:40 AM  

SirEattonHogg: fluffy_pope: The Prisoner is sci-fi?

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A Still Tongue makes a Happy Life.
 
2021-01-04 11:28:06 AM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: PerpetualPeristalsis: Laobaojun:

Space 1999 was way overrated (except the episode "Dragon's Domain" - Cthulhu in outer space, with 1970s mod costumes).

Force of Life was another pretty solid episode.

'Force of Life' was damn good.  So was 'The Infernal Machine'.  Barry Gray and guest Leo McKern just ignored Barbara Bain and Martin Landau and did some acting.

I have *never* understood the love for 'Dragon's Domain'.  For me, that was an absolutely rubbish story with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.  But a lot of people love it, and God knows, it takes all kinds...  I have fond memories of a lot of things that others regard as crap, so to each his own.


I like Space 1999.  First season some of the episodes were pretty good.

Space 1999 had the potential of having a following like Star Trek. However, the quality was uneven. Also maybe the bigger issue was the characters and the dialogue - other than concering Landau, was all pretty bland.  Space 1999 had a Kirk, but no Spock, no Scotty, etc.  And there was no real banter or even any humor amongst the crew - like McCoy and Spock going at each other.  There is nothing really to say about the characters - there was science officer guy with mutton chops (or was he second in charge?), black guy with computer, an Australian guy who did the piloting  - literally that's all I can think of - boring.  Barbara Bain maybe had a personality, but she was kind of boring as well.
 
2021-01-04 11:28:11 AM  
What is it with the Brits and puppets?
 
2021-01-04 11:29:53 AM  

FrancoFile: What is it with the Brits and puppets?


They're used to being ugly and powerless in life and taking it up the ass. It's a metaphor.
 
2021-01-04 11:35:40 AM  

dittybopper: Ginnungagap42: Seconded for Kolchak. The interplay between the Kolchak and the denizens of INS, especially his long-suffering boss is some of the best out there. Also, The Energy Eater is creepy.

I just picked up the entire series on DVD, so I'll have a copy if NBC decides to stop streaming it.  Found it at WalMart.

Probably my favorite episode is "Horror in the Heights".


Yup, that one is definitely up there.

"I'd have liked to have told Miss Emily that the Rakshasa appeared to me as her. According to the legend, it meant that I trusted her. But then I would also have had to tell her that I shot a steel arrow straight into her. I don't think she would have appreciated that."


dittybopper: Hey, any one else remember "Otherworld"?


Yes. And the similarly themed Fantastic Journey.
 
2021-01-04 11:42:15 AM  

Ginnungagap42: "I'd have liked to have told Miss Emily that the Rakshasa appeared to me as her. According to the legend, it meant that I trusted her. But then I would also have had to tell her that I shot a steel arrow straight into her. I don't think she would have appreciated that."


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That's right Miss Emily.  Crossbow bolt goes there.
 
2021-01-04 11:45:50 AM  

SirEattonHogg: Also maybe the bigger issue was the characters and the dialogue - other than concering Landau, was all pretty bland.  Space 1999 had a Kirk, but no Spock, no Scotty, etc.  And there was no real banter or even any humor amongst the crew - like McCoy and Spock going at each other.


Martin Landau wasn't a Kirk.  He wasn't even a Picard.   He was Richard Benjamin playing Adam Quark, but with all of the humor removed.

He was like a British tea "sandwich".   A couple of slices of white bread with the crusts cut off, and some thin cucumber/mayo concoction spread thinly in between the slices.   Bland, and ultimately unsatisfying.
 
2021-01-04 11:46:55 AM  

thespindrifter: It's a nightmare ghost tale that rates up there with the WW II pilots crashing in zombie hell in the movie "Heavy Metal".


My least favorite segment upon my first viewing; tripping balls and having an irrational fear of zombies played their parts.
 
2021-01-04 11:59:30 AM  
Oooh, another show I enjoyed:  Primeval.
 
2021-01-04 12:02:56 PM  
Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?

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2021-01-04 12:08:34 PM  

Famishus: Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?

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Have you actually watched that since it aired? Conceptually solid, it's horrid to actually watch. Ahead of its time? absolutely. Good TV? Not even remotely. Not even Matt Frewer could save it.
 
2021-01-04 12:12:59 PM  

Famishus: Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?

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I have recently rewatched that. It is entirely too close to reality. 20 minutes into the future, indeed.
 
2021-01-04 12:31:17 PM  

dittybopper: SirEattonHogg: Also maybe the bigger issue was the characters and the dialogue - other than concering Landau, was all pretty bland.  Space 1999 had a Kirk, but no Spock, no Scotty, etc.  And there was no real banter or even any humor amongst the crew - like McCoy and Spock going at each other.

Martin Landau wasn't a Kirk.  He wasn't even a Picard.   He was Richard Benjamin playing Adam Quark, but with all of the humor removed.

He was like a British tea "sandwich".   A couple of slices of white bread with the crusts cut off, and some thin cucumber/mayo concoction spread thinly in between the slices.   Bland, and ultimately unsatisfying.


I liked Alan Carter, he wrecked three Eagles an episode.
 
2021-01-04 12:45:29 PM  
Sure, "V" beat us over the head with the Nazi thing but it was the '80s. It's not like they didn't do the same thing with every other war since then.
 
2021-01-04 12:52:59 PM  

thespindrifter: Famishus: Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?

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Have you actually watched that since it aired? Conceptually solid, it's horrid to actually watch. Ahead of its time? absolutely. Good TV? Not even remotely. Not even Matt Frewer could save it.


Yeah. I tried to rewatch a few years ago. You're right.
 
2021-01-04 1:54:24 PM  

Extra Virgin Geek Olive Oil: I
I actually didn't like the BBC Hitchhiker's guide... Even though it was basically a faithful page to screen adaptation, some things are better on page than on screen. And HGTTG is one of them. The newer movie with Martin Freeman was entertaining though Adams did change a lot to make it more movie palatable.


not really possible ...since the radio play was one thing, the books were another, then the TV MiniSeries and the early 2000s film were 2 completely different things. HitchHikers Guide is deliberatly different in any media it is produced in. for most people which version they prefer normally depends on which they were exposed to first.
personally I think the Radio version is the funniest...followed by the Books, the first TV series...then the early 2000s film which looses a lot of points for 1) including Malcovich . period. (2) farking up Zaphods heads.


Dollhouse could have been good...first couple of episodes were not well written and for a show that had as its premise , the core of the plot was people who could be programed to pretend to be anyone of any background or profession...casting Elisha Dushku was a huge mistake. nice lady...but EXTREMELY limited acting range.

the show only started to get "good" when they had on way WAY more talented actors on screen (Alan Tudyk for example).

TerraHawks might as well have been another Marimation Puppet show from the Andersons...they were all about the same quality.


The Prisoner had its head to far up its own ass.  it was the LOST of its day...only with a smaller budget.

and SPACE 1999 is really more notable for its effects/model work and the talent cast in the show...especially for the time period.
but the second season is almost an entirely different show on many levels.

"StarBlazers" really? not Space Battleship Yamato? and since when is this "under-rated"?
 
2021-01-04 2:15:20 PM  
Never got into Dollhouse, just did not click with me.

Thunderhawks I do not remember even hearing of, but considering the creator (Thunderbirds, Captain Scarlet and Space 1999) probably did at one point.

Starblazers, the anime society as university only has the first 5 or so episodes, and I never saw further. Have the remake on blue-ray though. Also, can anything that gets a remake be under rated? (this applies for V and the prisoner as well)

The rest, I watched.
 
2021-01-04 2:28:34 PM  

thespindrifter: All you LEXX fans: I will never for the life of me understand what the hell you people saw in that show. It was awful, stop pretending it wasn't. LEXX was "Time Traxx" and "Timecop: The Series" levels of awful, maybe worse. I bet you're the same people who loved "Cleopatra 2525" aren't you?


Matter of taste, plus it was not made in the US with a US budget so allowances need to be made in evaluating it. Though that it contain some serious anti-religion and anti-theoracry undertones in season 1 might not help it with some.

Though it is season 3 introducing Prince that takes it up a notch.
 
2021-01-04 3:01:06 PM  

Stratohead: Extra Virgin Geek Olive Oil: I
I actually didn't like the BBC Hitchhiker's guide... Even though it was basically a faithful page to screen adaptation, some things are better on page than on screen. And HGTTG is one of them. The newer movie with Martin Freeman was entertaining though Adams did change a lot to make it more movie palatable.

not really possible ...since the radio play was one thing, the books were another, then the TV MiniSeries and the early 2000s film were 2 completely different things. HitchHikers Guide is deliberatly different in any media it is produced in. for most people which version they prefer normally depends on which they were exposed to first.
personally I think the Radio version is the funniest...followed by the Books, the first TV series...then the early 2000s film which looses a lot of points for 1) including Malcovich . period. (2) farking up Zaphods heads.


Hitchhiker's Guide has too many narrations and asides to translate to a movie or a TV show.

Then again

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2021-01-04 3:31:50 PM  

Stratohead: Dollhouse could have been good...first couple of episodes were not well written and for a show that had as its premise , the core of the plot was people who could be programed to pretend to be anyone of any background or profession...casting Elisha Dushku was a huge mistake. nice lady...but EXTREMELY limited acting range.


I have mentioned before that they didn't "cast" Eliza. It was her production deal with Fox, they asked her to come up with a series for her to star in, she talked to Joss, he came up with the idea. She was the star before they came up with the show.

And I think she can act. She was just well known and has a strong image. It's like watching a Sean Connery movie. You never forget you're watching Sean Connery.  So when she's playing different characters you can never forget she's Eliza Dushku. With the others they were unknown, and several introduced before we knew they were dolls, so it is far easier to accept them as different people.
 
2021-01-04 3:36:53 PM  
I loved Space:1999 when I was a kid and still do today.

Season One was dramatic and unsettling and explored many fascinating themes.  It had pretty damn good special FX for its time, too.  It hasn't aged well in all aspects, but there's still much to be appreciated about it.

Season Two took most of what was good about Season One, threw it in a dumpster, pissed on it and then set it on fire.  Popular characters were gone without explanation, sets were changed due to budget constraints, the trippy and dramatic score was replaced with a score so 70's in tone that you could see its flared pants, and the thought-provoking stories were swapped for Saturday-afternoon kids' show fare.  Some of it was still fun to watch, but in that so-dumb-it's-entertaining way, at best.
 
2021-01-04 3:42:18 PM  

thespindrifter: Hell, maybe even a "Space: 2199" re-imagining.


Back in May, there was a thread about TV shows that should be rebooted.  Some people debated whether or not Space: 1999 could be rebooted, with the naysayers taking the position that the initial premise was flawed.  You needed to get Earth's Moon to other star systems, give them time to interact with the locals, then it's off to another star system.  You *cannot* do that on a ballistic trajectory started by blowing Luna out of orbit, even with nuclear explosions.

I took that as a challenge, and ran a mental exercise to see if there was any way to make an acceptable premise for the show.

Here's what I came up with, and I hereby donate it freely to anyone who wants to use it.

To make it 'Space: 1999' and not just another generic space travel show, you need to have certain things:

1) You need to have Earth's moon, with a moon base, leave Earth and go traveling wildly out of the solar system
2) You need to have the characters be unable to return to Earth.
3) You need to have them visit extrasolar star systems and planets.
4) You need to have this happen within one human lifetime - no fair making it a generation ship.

I'm sure you've heard of the 'Alcubierre Warp Drive' hypothesis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubie​rre_drive).   Well, recently, I've seen a few articles talking about how to make sure you're travelling in the right direction on Alcubierre Drive.  The only one I can locate at the moment is in Popular Mechanics (https://www.popularmechanics.com/scie​nce/a32449240/nasa-warp-drive-space-ti​me/).  Shades of getting a Delorean up to 88 mph, apparently a NASA paper suggests that Alcubierre may need a "rolling start" to guarantee the travel direction.

So, my idea for a Space: 1999 reboot is this.

Imagine that we've gotten to the point where we're ready to experiment with a real Alcubierre Warp Drive.  Not being fools, the powers that be don't want to play around with something designed to warp spacetime here on Earth - it's where we keep all our stuff!

So the Warp Laboratory is set up on Lunar Farside, which is judged to be an acceptable margin of safety.  There's a self-sustaining base nearby to mine lunar regolith for Helium-3 to fuel fusion reactors, mine ice and other lunar resources, conduct astronomy, etc.  A prototype ship is built and is stationed in orbit.

Now, an Alcubierre field is going to require a shiat-ton of energy no matter how you slice it.  And they're working off of bleeding edge theory with little or no empirical data - it's difficult if not impossible to test at small scale, and they have no data (yet) for simulations.

The first time they engage the drive, for some bolonium reason, the warp field encompasses the entire Moon, and the Moon gets dragged off God knows where before the drive can be shut down.  Even worse, the thing steers worse than an early Model 40 TARDIS.  They can - maybe - make it go, and stop, but the relationship between where they think they're pointing it and which way it actually *goes* is purely random.  It needs more work, and more experimentation, and more data.

The characters would reengage the drive whenever they have something worked out that they think will get them home.  This moves them to the next planet or whatever is needed for story purposes.  Maybe one jump per season?

No nuclear explosions necessary, no covering many light years in normal space within a human lifetime, no handy black holes / wormholes needed for shortcuts.

This changes the dynamic of the stories somewhat.  Instead of being helpless pawns, our characters have some degree of *control* over their situation.  They always have the possibility of a happy ending and getting home - if *only* they can solve the puzzles they are presented with.  This is a trope that has been used many, many times - from Robinson Crusoe to Lost in Space to Sliders to Time Tunnel to Gilligan's Island to Stargate: Universe.  And I'm sure there are many more.

But my contention is that this premise is still recognizably 'Space: 1999' and repairs the worst of the flaws in the original show bible.  (*cough* Exploding Nuclear Waste Dumps *cough*)  I submit that in the hands of Joss Whedon or J. Michael Straczynski, this could be a successful show.

As Joel Robinson would say, 'What do you think, Sirs?'
 
2021-01-04 3:47:25 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: thespindrifter: Hell, maybe even a "Space: 2199" re-imagining.

Back in May, there was a thread about TV shows that should be rebooted.  Some people debated whether or not Space: 1999 could be rebooted, with the naysayers taking the position that the initial premise was flawed.  You needed to get Earth's Moon to other star systems, give them time to interact with the locals, then it's off to another star system.  You *cannot* do that on a ballistic trajectory started by blowing Luna out of orbit, even with nuclear explosions.

I took that as a challenge, and ran a mental exercise to see if there was any way to make an acceptable premise for the show.

Here's what I came up with, and I hereby donate it freely to anyone who wants to use it.

To make it 'Space: 1999' and not just another generic space travel show, you need to have certain things:

1) You need to have Earth's moon, with a moon base, leave Earth and go traveling wildly out of the solar system
2) You need to have the characters be unable to return to Earth.
3) You need to have them visit extrasolar star systems and planets.
4) You need to have this happen within one human lifetime - no fair making it a generation ship.

I'm sure you've heard of the 'Alcubierre Warp Drive' hypothesis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubie​rre_drive).   Well, recently, I've seen a few articles talking about how to make sure you're travelling in the right direction on Alcubierre Drive.  The only one I can locate at the moment is in Popular Mechanics (https://www.popularmechanics.com/scie​nce/a32449240/nasa-warp-drive-space-ti​me/).  Shades of getting a Delorean up to 88 mph, apparently a NASA paper suggests that Alcubierre may need a "rolling start" to guarantee the travel direction.

So, my idea for a Space: 1999 reboot is this.

Imagine that we've gotten to the point where we're ready to experiment with a real Alcubierre Warp Drive.  Not being fools, the powers that be don't want to play around with something designed to warp spacetime here on Earth - it's where we keep all our stuff!

So the Warp Laboratory is set up on Lunar Farside, which is judged to be an acceptable margin of safety.  There's a self-sustaining base nearby to mine lunar regolith for Helium-3 to fuel fusion reactors, mine ice and other lunar resources, conduct astronomy, etc.  A prototype ship is built and is stationed in orbit.

Now, an Alcubierre field is going to require a shiat-ton of energy no matter how you slice it.  And they're working off of bleeding edge theory with little or no empirical data - it's difficult if not impossible to test at small scale, and they have no data (yet) for simulations.

The first time they engage the drive, for some bolonium reason, the warp field encompasses the entire Moon, and the Moon gets dragged off God knows where before the drive can be shut down.  Even worse, the thing steers worse than an early Model 40 TARDIS.  They can - maybe - make it go, and stop, but the relationship between where they think they're pointing it and which way it actually *goes* is purely random.  It needs more work, and more experimentation, and more data.

The characters would reengage the drive whenever they have something worked out that they think will get them home.  This moves them to the next planet or whatever is needed for story purposes.  Maybe one jump per season?

No nuclear explosions necessary, no covering many light years in normal space within a human lifetime, no handy black holes / wormholes needed for shortcuts.

This changes the dynamic of the stories somewhat.  Instead of being helpless pawns, our characters have some degree of *control* over their situation.  They always have the possibility of a happy ending and getting home - if *only* they can solve the puzzles they are presented with.  This is a trope that has been used many, many times - from Robinson Crusoe to Lost in Space to Sliders to Time Tunnel to Gilligan's Island to Stargate: Universe.  And I'm sure there are many more.

But my contention is that this premise is still recognizably 'Space: 1999' and repairs the worst of the flaws in the original show bible.  (*cough* Exploding Nuclear Waste Dumps *cough*)  I submit that in the hands of Joss Whedon or J. Michael Straczynski, this could be a successful show.

As Joel Robinson would say, 'What do you think, Sirs?'


Not bad until you realize life of earth would be destroyed on a ginormous scale. No point in coming back.
 
2021-01-04 4:00:51 PM  
What? no love for Banjo?

Shaghetti Western
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2021-01-04 4:00:54 PM  

BafflerMeal: But my contention is that this premise is still recognizably 'Space: 1999' and repairs the worst of the flaws in the original show bible.  (*cough* Exploding Nuclear Waste Dumps *cough*)  I submit that in the hands of Joss Whedon or J. Michael Straczynski, this could be a successful show.

As Joel Robinson would say, 'What do you think, Sirs?'


Not bad until you realize life of earth would be destroyed on a ginormous scale. No point in coming back.


OK, so there's a seed for a sister series.

Assume for now (literary license and physics we don't understand yet) that Earth is in trouble because Luna is gone, no tides, etc.  Seismic upheavals, and so forth - that the fact that Luna is gone is the only problem we have to overcome.  (I.E., the planet itself hasn't been ripped in half by the warp field.)

Earth initiates a massive survive-or-die effort to - Replace the Moon!

Every resource of manpower, wealth, and political will on the planet is focused on putting Mass into orbit around Earth to try and take up some of the slack for the missing Luna.

Ceres, Phobos, Deimos, whatever we can grab and move, just dump it in a big pile at orbital point 'X'.

Supercomputers working out what the minimal acceptable mass is, and how close does it need to be to make up for the fact that we won't be able to match Luna's mass?  The stereotypical astronomers coming to blows over disputed abstruse math.

People advocating for mass migration to Mars or the Belt, fighting with those who want to try and rescue the entire damn planet by cobbling together an ersatz counterweight.  It's 'When Worlds Collide', reimagined.

Yes, it's a stupid plot, yes, it's doomed to fail.  But there's a shiatload of tension and conflict and a framework for telling human stories.  Is it really any worse than any number of stupid shiat shows that made it onto the air?
 
2021-01-04 4:10:05 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: BafflerMeal: But my contention is that this premise is still recognizably 'Space: 1999' and repairs the worst of the flaws in the original show bible.  (*cough* Exploding Nuclear Waste Dumps *cough*)  I submit that in the hands of Joss Whedon or J. Michael Straczynski, this could be a successful show.

As Joel Robinson would say, 'What do you think, Sirs?'


Not bad until you realize life of earth would be destroyed on a ginormous scale. No point in coming back.

OK, so there's a seed for a sister series.

Assume for now (literary license and physics we don't understand yet) that Earth is in trouble because Luna is gone, no tides, etc.  Seismic upheavals, and so forth - that the fact that Luna is gone is the only problem we have to overcome.  (I.E., the planet itself hasn't been ripped in half by the warp field.)

Earth initiates a massive survive-or-die effort to - Replace the Moon!

Every resource of manpower, wealth, and political will on the planet is focused on putting Mass into orbit around Earth to try and take up some of the slack for the missing Luna.

Ceres, Phobos, Deimos, whatever we can grab and move, just dump it in a big pile at orbital point 'X'.

Supercomputers working out what the minimal acceptable mass is, and how close does it need to be to make up for the fact that we won't be able to match Luna's mass?  The stereotypical astronomers coming to blows over disputed abstruse math.

People advocating for mass migration to Mars or the Belt, fighting with those who want to try and rescue the entire damn planet by cobbling together an ersatz counterweight.  It's 'When Worlds Collide', reimagined.

Yes, it's a stupid plot, yes, it's doomed to fail.  But there's a shiatload of tension and conflict and a framework for telling human stories.  Is it really any worse than any number of stupid shiat shows that made it onto the air?


Not bad.
 
2021-01-04 4:22:51 PM  

thespindrifter: Any "Terra Nova" fans out there? I had a love-hate relationship with Terra Nova and the shiat writing, but it had soooo much potential that once again was just coming to its strength when Fox shiatcanned it right when it was getting good. It could have been the new "Land Of The Lost" and was headed in that direction when it got scuttled and that will always piss me off. I think it's highly under-rated as newbie Sci-Fi shows go.


I liked Terra Nova overall, and the final episode was great.  Left a lot of open questions though, and too bad it never got a wrap-up.
The entire concept of using time travel to colonize earth millions of years into the past to escape from a dying planet is interesting, with humans finding out out the hard way they are no longer at the top of the food chain.
And being fairly recent (2011) it means that the dinosaur special effects are good/realistic enough to not detract from the story itself.


Another decent show IMO was the British show "Primeval" (2007-2011), which lasted for 5 seasons.
Primeval: Series 1-2 Trailer
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(There was a Canadian spin-off called "Primeval: New World'' which was set in Canada, and lasted for 1 season... Weaker than the original)
 
2021-01-04 4:37:25 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Stratohead: Dollhouse could have been good...first couple of episodes were not well written and for a show that had as its premise , the core of the plot was people who could be programed to pretend to be anyone of any background or profession...casting Elisha Dushku was a huge mistake. nice lady...but EXTREMELY limited acting range.

I have mentioned before that they didn't "cast" Eliza. It was her production deal with Fox, they asked her to come up with a series for her to star in, she talked to Joss, he came up with the idea. She was the star before they came up with the show.

And I think she can act. She was just well known and has a strong image. It's like watching a Sean Connery movie. You never forget you're watching Sean Connery.  So when she's playing different characters you can never forget she's Eliza Dushku. With the others they were unknown, and several introduced before we knew they were dolls, so it is far easier to accept them as different people.


didn't say she COULDN'T act...just said her acting range is EXTREMELY limited. Sean Connery is over-rated , he's like the UK's answer to John Wayne. really popular...not all that great....or perhaps he is the Scottish Michael Caine....shows up... phones in his lines like a pro, then goes home.
 
2021-01-04 5:09:48 PM  

Stratohead: Carter Pewterschmidt: Stratohead: Dollhouse could have been good...first couple of episodes were not well written and for a show that had as its premise , the core of the plot was people who could be programed to pretend to be anyone of any background or profession...casting Elisha Dushku was a huge mistake. nice lady...but EXTREMELY limited acting range.

I have mentioned before that they didn't "cast" Eliza. It was her production deal with Fox, they asked her to come up with a series for her to star in, she talked to Joss, he came up with the idea. She was the star before they came up with the show.

And I think she can act. She was just well known and has a strong image. It's like watching a Sean Connery movie. You never forget you're watching Sean Connery.  So when she's playing different characters you can never forget she's Eliza Dushku. With the others they were unknown, and several introduced before we knew they were dolls, so it is far easier to accept them as different people.

didn't say she COULDN'T act...just said her acting range is EXTREMELY limited. Sean Connery is over-rated , he's like the UK's answer to John Wayne. really popular...not all that great....or perhaps he is the Scottish Michael Caine....shows up... phones in his lines like a pro, then goes home.


Or even John Malkovich.
 
2021-01-04 5:24:26 PM  

Stratohead: ...didn't say she COULDN'T act...just said her acting range is EXTREMELY limited. Sean Connery is over-rated , he's like the UK's answer to John Wayne. really popular...not all that great....or perhaps he is the Scottish Michael Caine....shows up... phones in his lines like a pro, then goes home.


Caine's not Olivier, but he's a solid actor. Zulu, Alfie, Hannah & Her Sisters...the guy's lazy, but he's got range.
 
2021-01-04 5:43:27 PM  

Xythero: Aeon Flux was great. It was such a weird little show. And I think I'm the only one in the world who really liked the Charlize Theron movie.


Nope, you've got company here.
 
2021-01-04 5:48:44 PM  

Excelsior: thespindrifter: Any "Terra Nova" fans out there? I had a love-hate relationship with Terra Nova and the shiat writing, but it had soooo much potential that once again was just coming to its strength when Fox shiatcanned it right when it was getting good. It could have been the new "Land Of The Lost" and was headed in that direction when it got scuttled and that will always piss me off. I think it's highly under-rated as newbie Sci-Fi shows go.

I liked Terra Nova overall, and the final episode was great.  Left a lot of open questions though, and too bad it never got a wrap-up.
The entire concept of using time travel to colonize earth millions of years into the past to escape from a dying planet is interesting, with humans finding out out the hard way they are no longer at the top of the food chain.
And being fairly recent (2011) it means that the dinosaur special effects are good/realistic enough to not detract from the story itself.


Another decent show IMO was the British show "Primeval" (2007-2011), which lasted for 5 seasons.
[YouTube video: Primeval: Series 1-2 Trailer]
(There was a Canadian spin-off called "Primeval: New World'' which was set in Canada, and lasted for 1 season... Weaker than the original)


Primeval was best when it stopped trying to be a children's show.
The New World Series was god awful.
It's on Hulu.
 
2021-01-04 6:40:45 PM  

AgtSmithReloaded: I loved Space:1999 when I was a kid and still do today.

Season One was dramatic and unsettling and explored many fascinating themes.  It had pretty damn good special FX for its time, too.  It hasn't aged well in all aspects, but there's still much to be appreciated about it.

Season Two took most of what was good about Season One, threw it in a dumpster, pissed on it and then set it on fire.  Popular characters were gone without explanation, sets were changed due to budget constraints, the trippy and dramatic score was replaced with a score so 70's in tone that you could see its flared pants, and the thought-provoking stories were swapped for Saturday-afternoon kids' show fare.  Some of it was still fun to watch, but in that so-dumb-it's-entertaining way, at best.


The reason for that is that some people thought that Season 1 was 'too cerebral' for the average viewer, according to the people who review TV shows.  So for Season 2, they got Fred Freiberger to handle running the show, with the direction to make it more 'action oriented'.  Which is why season 2 was so much less enjoyable (unless you like a lot of damsels in distress and 'lazers go pew pew'.
 
2021-01-04 8:10:24 PM  

boozehat: Xythero: Aeon Flux was great. It was such a weird little show. And I think I'm the only one in the world who really liked the Charlize Theron movie.

Nope, you've got company here.


Same, it was visually pleasing at least.
 
2021-01-04 8:32:15 PM  

acad1228: No love for "Dark Matter"?


Blakes 7 remake - I liked that Orac was an android in this version.
 
2021-01-04 8:33:34 PM  

Ginnungagap42: Let's just say I watched all of those first run except The Prisoner. The Space 1999 episode "Dragon's Domain" scared the bejeezus out of me as a kid.


A still image cannot do justice to the viseral horror of that scene.
 
2021-01-04 9:16:49 PM  
I've seen most of these.  Of the ones on the list 'V' is my favorite.  The original mini-series was fantastic.  A great look on how alien fascism takes over America and the world. They do it by controlling media and discrediting science.  I wonder where I've heard that before?  The second mini series was less good, and the TV series was pretty bad as was the reboot series.  I watched it religiously of course, because I was 10 and aliens and laser guns were my jam.

I find Firefly to be massively overrated.  It was ok, but nothing incredibly special like half the internet seems to think.

Missing from list:  Babylon 5, Highlander the series, Blake's 7, Misfits of Science, Buck Rodgers, Battlestar Galactica (original), probably a few I'm forgetting.

/Manimal!
//Not really
 
2021-01-04 11:07:32 PM  

Ginnungagap42: Underrated sci-fi TV shows with a cult following you need to watch

Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy (1981)
The Prisoner (1967)
Dollhouse (2009)
The Tripods (1984)
Aeon Flux (1991)
V (1983)
Space 1999 (1975)
Terrahawks (1983)
Star Blazers (1979)
Firefly (2002)


TFA's author sounds young.


Came to say "only underrated if you were born after 2001."
 
2021-01-04 11:11:21 PM  

criscodisco: I re-watched Fringe recently and it was even better on a second watching.


Even after the part where you're supposed to bail out? For the first few seasons I admired how they could run multiple plots at once, instead of dragging a mystery over several seasons it would be solved in about 3-5 episodes with other mysteries also beginning and ending so there was always a sense of progress.
 
2021-01-04 11:34:44 PM  
Went through all of the comments and didn't see a single reference to 'Starlost.' Kind of a shame, really. Worthwhile reading: Harlan Ellison's little essay on the business of starting production in Canada because the American writers were on strike. Fascinating.
 
2021-01-05 12:15:57 AM  

evilsofa: 2. The Prisoner (1967): Before my time, so I never saw it. I played the 1980 Apple II+ game based on the TV series, but at that time I didn't even know the TV series existed, so it was one of those surreal games where I never could figure out what the fark was going on. Kind of like watching Lost.


I don't know why I never ran across that game.  I had tons of them back then.  I'm finally playing it.
 
2021-01-05 2:35:58 AM  

Lord Bear: Missing from list: ... Highlander the series,


One of these things is NOT like the others.
 
2021-01-05 4:09:10 AM  

thespindrifter: Lord Bear: Missing from list: ... Highlander the series,

One of these things is NOT like the others.


There can be only one?
 
2021-01-05 5:34:07 AM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Yes, it's a stupid plot, yes, it's doomed to fail.  But there's a shiatload of tension and conflict and a framework for telling human stories.  Is it really any worse than any number of stupid shiat shows that made it onto the air?


It's not worse than Salvation.
 
2021-01-05 10:14:57 AM  

fluffy_pope: Stratohead: ...didn't say she COULDN'T act...just said her acting range is EXTREMELY limited. Sean Connery is over-rated , he's like the UK's answer to John Wayne. really popular...not all that great....or perhaps he is the Scottish Michael Caine....shows up... phones in his lines like a pro, then goes home.

Caine's not Olivier, but he's a solid actor. Zulu, Alfie, Hannah & Her Sisters...the guy's lazy, but he's got range.


Jaws The Revenge......

"I have never seen the film, but by all accounts it was terrible. However, I have seen the house that it built, and it is terrific."
 
2021-01-05 10:21:38 AM  

fluffy_pope: Caine's not Olivier,


I used to think Olivier was a great actor.

Then I saw him in the film 49th Parallel.
 
2021-01-05 11:09:40 AM  

thespindrifter: Lord Bear: Missing from list: ... Highlander the series,

One of these things is NOT like the others.


Highlander was pretty fun.  It had some cool mythology and some great stunt casting.  It wasn't the greatest ever, but I would love a remake series without any attachment to anything else.
 
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