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(Al Jazeera)   In case you thought Americans were the only idiots when it comes to covid, France steps up to say "Tiens ma bière"   (aljazeera.com) divider line
    More: Fail, Rave, northwestern France, illegal New Year rave party, security forces, local prefecture, Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin, southern city of Marseille, Such mass gatherings  
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2021-01-02 1:11:32 PM  
Western cultures are on the whole an entitled, ornry bunch.
 
2021-01-02 2:18:44 PM  
France is big into homeopathy. Doctors there have lost their license to practice medicine for criticizing homeopathy. It's... not a smart place.
 
2021-01-02 2:20:15 PM  
Revellers on Saturday began leaving an illegal New Year rave party in northwestern France that drew about 2,500 people, led to clashes with police and sparked concerns it could spread the coronavirus....The local prefecture said on Saturday the music had been switched off after two nights

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2021-01-02 2:23:18 PM  

make me some tea: Western cultures are on the whole an entitled, ornry bunch.


Better than living in subservience
 
2021-01-02 2:23:37 PM  

Enigmamf: France is big into homeopathy. Doctors there have lost their license to practice medicine for criticizing homeopathy. It's... not a smart place.


Wow, that is pretty dumb
 
2021-01-02 2:27:05 PM  
Not just them.  There was a similar event in northeastern Spain. It was smaller, with "only" a few hundred attendees, but it also went on for like two days despite authorities being aware and making some attempts to communicate with people there before ultimately shutting it down.

El Pais has an article, but they don't seem to have it translated to English yet.
https://elpais.com/espana/catalunya/2​0​21-01-02/los-mossos-empiezan-a-desaloj​ar-la-rave-ilegal-de-llinars.html
 
2021-01-02 2:35:13 PM  

Enigmamf: France is big into homeopathy. Doctors there have lost their license to practice medicine for criticizing homeopathy. It's... not a smart place.


Details, please?
 
2021-01-02 2:36:52 PM  
Sacre bleu!
 
2021-01-02 2:37:40 PM  
The Earth is getting ready to kick us all right off due our limitless stupidity.  Covid-19 is just a little warm-up.
 
2021-01-02 2:39:54 PM  
There's stupid people everywhere. Americans are just unique in their constant willingness to put morons in charge of important shiat.
 
2021-01-02 2:40:07 PM  

make me some tea: Western cultures are on the whole an entitled, ornry bunch.


We've become "entitled" to the whole "my body, my choice" thing.  When the state decides to treat the war on COVID like the war on drugs, we react accordingly.  Treating a health care crisis with a police crackdown doesn't work well in western societies.  Despite those who believe a police state is the answer every problem, our cultures generally still trend toward the belief that the sick should be treated, not jailed.
 
2021-01-02 2:41:37 PM  

DOCTORD000M: Enigmamf: France is big into homeopathy. Doctors there have lost their license to practice medicine for criticizing homeopathy. It's... not a smart place.

Details, please?


https://respectfulinsolence.com/2020/​0​2/21/president-of-fake-medecine-suspen​ded-homeopath/
 
2021-01-02 2:43:32 PM  
Tenez ma biere?
 
2021-01-02 2:43:36 PM  
Only around 40% of the French want the vaccine, farkers may not want to hear this, but the US doing better than many many places with respect to the vaccine.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news​/​20201229-less-than-half-of-french-want​-covid-vaccine-poll
 
2021-01-02 2:47:23 PM  
Blazing Saddles- The French Mistake
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2021-01-02 2:47:40 PM  

Eightballjacket: Only around 40% of the French want the vaccine, farkers may not want to hear this, but the US doing better than many many places with respect to the vaccine.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/​20201229-less-than-half-of-french-want​-covid-vaccine-poll


zut alors!
 
2021-01-02 2:54:57 PM  

Enigmamf: France is big into homeopathy. Doctors there have lost their license to practice medicine for criticizing homeopathy. It's... not a smart place.


I'll probably get flamed for this, but homeopathy isn't entirely bullsh*t. I used to be highly allergic to poison ivy, then during one incident in middle school my doctor recommended I take homeopathic pills made from extract from the leaves, and I haven't had a breakout since... and I have found myself up to my elbows in poison ivy while camping and not paying attention.
 
2021-01-02 2:55:43 PM  
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2021-01-02 3:00:21 PM  

mateomaui: Enigmamf: France is big into homeopathy. Doctors there have lost their license to practice medicine for criticizing homeopathy. It's... not a smart place.

I'll probably get flamed for this, but homeopathy isn't entirely bullsh*t. I used to be highly allergic to poison ivy, then during one incident in middle school my doctor recommended I take homeopathic pills made from extract from the leaves, and I haven't had a breakout since... and I have found myself up to my elbows in poison ivy while camping and not paying attention.


Come to think of it, there was one time when I set up a hammock in the dark, and when I woke up the next morning I found one of trees was covered in it... and I had basically been rubbed my face in it while getting a strap around the tree. Had to dive in again to remove the strap. Still didn't break out from that.
 
2021-01-02 3:04:53 PM  

mateomaui: Enigmamf: France is big into homeopathy. Doctors there have lost their license to practice medicine for criticizing homeopathy. It's... not a smart place.

I'll probably get flamed for this, but homeopathy isn't entirely bullsh*t. I used to be highly allergic to poison ivy, then during one incident in middle school my doctor recommended I take homeopathic pills made from extract from the leaves, and I haven't had a breakout since... and I have found myself up to my elbows in poison ivy while camping and not paying attention.


It's more likely that it worked on you but still isn't medicinal to the vast majority of the rest of the population, and you're speaking from a position of confirmation bias.

/medicine is about statistics and the scientific method, homeopathy is much more about [throws dart]
//it's awesome that you found something healing *for you*, don't get me wrong
///anyhow. hopefully one day we'll gain enough knowledge to be able to tailor medicines to the individual
 
2021-01-02 3:06:03 PM  

mateomaui: Enigmamf: France is big into homeopathy. Doctors there have lost their license to practice medicine for criticizing homeopathy. It's... not a smart place.

I'll probably get flamed for this, but homeopathy isn't entirely bullsh*t. I used to be highly allergic to poison ivy, then during one incident in middle school my doctor recommended I take homeopathic pills made from extract from the leaves, and I haven't had a breakout since... and I have found myself up to my elbows in poison ivy while camping and not paying attention.


That's not homeopathy. That's medicine. It's how other allergens are overcome, including peanuts.

Homeopathy is nonsense.
 
2021-01-02 3:08:36 PM  

gameshowhost: mateomaui: Enigmamf: France is big into homeopathy. Doctors there have lost their license to practice medicine for criticizing homeopathy. It's... not a smart place.

I'll probably get flamed for this, but homeopathy isn't entirely bullsh*t. I used to be highly allergic to poison ivy, then during one incident in middle school my doctor recommended I take homeopathic pills made from extract from the leaves, and I haven't had a breakout since... and I have found myself up to my elbows in poison ivy while camping and not paying attention.

It's more likely that it worked on you but still isn't medicinal to the vast majority of the rest of the population, and you're speaking from a position of confirmation bias.

/medicine is about statistics and the scientific method, homeopathy is much more about [throws dart]
//it's awesome that you found something healing *for you*, don't get me wrong
///anyhow. hopefully one day we'll gain enough knowledge to be able to tailor medicines to the individual


I'll refer back to where my doctor essentially prescribed it, and otherwise what you described is much like other medications... in that they're not always effective for everyone, which is why doctors have a list of alternatives to try if the first one doesn't work out, someone is allergic to it, etc.

And, again, I said it "isn't entirely bullsh*t" which implies that sometimes it is.
 
2021-01-02 3:09:29 PM  

slantsix: mateomaui: Enigmamf: France is big into homeopathy. Doctors there have lost their license to practice medicine for criticizing homeopathy. It's... not a smart place.

I'll probably get flamed for this, but homeopathy isn't entirely bullsh*t. I used to be highly allergic to poison ivy, then during one incident in middle school my doctor recommended I take homeopathic pills made from extract from the leaves, and I haven't had a breakout since... and I have found myself up to my elbows in poison ivy while camping and not paying attention.

That's not homeopathy. That's medicine. It's how other allergens are overcome, including peanuts.

Homeopathy is nonsense.


I'd trusted my doctor's advice, it worked out, sorry you're sore about it.
 
2021-01-02 3:12:35 PM  

mateomaui: mateomaui: Enigmamf: France is big into homeopathy. Doctors there have lost their license to practice medicine for criticizing homeopathy. It's... not a smart place.

I'll probably get flamed for this, but homeopathy isn't entirely bullsh*t. I used to be highly allergic to poison ivy, then during one incident in middle school my doctor recommended I take homeopathic pills made from extract from the leaves, and I haven't had a breakout since... and I have found myself up to my elbows in poison ivy while camping and not paying attention.

Come to think of it, there was one time when I set up a hammock in the dark, and when I woke up the next morning I found one of trees was covered in it... and I had basically been rubbed my face in it while getting a strap around the tree. Had to dive in again to remove the strap. Still didn't break out from that.


If that's the sort of thinking that gets you to come, remind me not to accept your next invitation to an outdoor orgy.
 
2021-01-02 3:12:47 PM  
No thought the US was the only idiots subby, biggest idiots yes, but not only.

Enigmamf: France is big into homeopathy. Doctors there have lost their license to practice medicine for criticizing homeopathy. It's... not a smart place.


That does not bode well for their long term health. Has it lead to doctors leaving the country?
 
2021-01-02 3:13:39 PM  

Prof. Frink: mateomaui: mateomaui: Enigmamf: France is big into homeopathy. Doctors there have lost their license to practice medicine for criticizing homeopathy. It's... not a smart place.

I'll probably get flamed for this, but homeopathy isn't entirely bullsh*t. I used to be highly allergic to poison ivy, then during one incident in middle school my doctor recommended I take homeopathic pills made from extract from the leaves, and I haven't had a breakout since... and I have found myself up to my elbows in poison ivy while camping and not paying attention.

Come to think of it, there was one time when I set up a hammock in the dark, and when I woke up the next morning I found one of trees was covered in it... and I had basically been rubbed my face in it while getting a strap around the tree. Had to dive in again to remove the strap. Still didn't break out from that.

If that's the sort of thinking that gets you to come, remind me not to accept your next invitation to an outdoor orgy.


Your request is in processing.
 
2021-01-02 3:18:05 PM  
Wish we could dump all the idiots around the world in one place, maybe the moon.
 
2021-01-02 3:28:25 PM  

groppet: Wish we could dump all the idiots around the world in one place, maybe the moon.



The ocean is much closer and sharks would appreciate it
 
2021-01-02 3:31:43 PM  

mateomaui: Enigmamf: France is big into homeopathy. Doctors there have lost their license to practice medicine for criticizing homeopathy. It's... not a smart place.

I'll probably get flamed for this, but homeopathy isn't entirely bullsh*t. I used to be highly allergic to poison ivy, then during one incident in middle school my doctor recommended I take homeopathic pills made from extract from the leaves, and I haven't had a breakout since... and I have found myself up to my elbows in poison ivy while camping and not paying attention.


Homeopathy is the belief that by performing hundred-fold serial dilutions you retain and even magnify some essential energy of the original substance even though the substance itself is gone; and that essential energy, even though it cannot be measured by any method known to mankind, works in opposition to the substance itself.
 
2021-01-02 3:36:27 PM  

mateomaui: gameshowhost: mateomaui: Enigmamf: France is big into homeopathy. Doctors there have lost their license to practice medicine for criticizing homeopathy. It's... not a smart place.

I'll probably get flamed for this, but homeopathy isn't entirely bullsh*t. I used to be highly allergic to poison ivy, then during one incident in middle school my doctor recommended I take homeopathic pills made from extract from the leaves, and I haven't had a breakout since... and I have found myself up to my elbows in poison ivy while camping and not paying attention.

It's more likely that it worked on you but still isn't medicinal to the vast majority of the rest of the population, and you're speaking from a position of confirmation bias.

/medicine is about statistics and the scientific method, homeopathy is much more about [throws dart]
//it's awesome that you found something healing *for you*, don't get me wrong
///anyhow. hopefully one day we'll gain enough knowledge to be able to tailor medicines to the individual

I'll refer back to where my doctor essentially prescribed it, and otherwise what you described is much like other medications... in that they're not always effective for everyone, which is why doctors have a list of alternatives to try if the first one doesn't work out, someone is allergic to it, etc.

And, again, I said it "isn't entirely bullsh*t" which implies that sometimes it is.


If homeopathy weren't a pseudoscience trying to sell itself as a science, I'd agree 100% that it wouldn't be bullshiat, because it would at least be honest about what it is.

/just because something semi-random works every once in a while doesn't wipe away the bullshiat
//you got something out of it -- that's cool.
 
2021-01-02 3:37:18 PM  

Enigmamf: mateomaui: Enigmamf: France is big into homeopathy. Doctors there have lost their license to practice medicine for criticizing homeopathy. It's... not a smart place.

I'll probably get flamed for this, but homeopathy isn't entirely bullsh*t. I used to be highly allergic to poison ivy, then during one incident in middle school my doctor recommended I take homeopathic pills made from extract from the leaves, and I haven't had a breakout since... and I have found myself up to my elbows in poison ivy while camping and not paying attention.

Homeopathy is the belief that by performing hundred-fold serial dilutions you retain and even magnify some essential energy of the original substance even though the substance itself is gone; and that essential energy, even though it cannot be measured by any method known to mankind, works in opposition to the substance itself.


Sure. Meanwhile, the pills worked back then, and whenever the winds shift from the south here and bring vog (volcano fog) and respiratory distress to the area, a homeopathic remedy here called "vog buster" gets harder to find, because it works. It's that or antihistamines.

Again, homeopathy is not always valid, and it's not always invalid. Life is a gray area, particularly where body chemistry is concerned.
 
2021-01-02 3:37:38 PM  

mateomaui: Enigmamf: France is big into homeopathy. Doctors there have lost their license to practice medicine for criticizing homeopathy. It's... not a smart place.

I'll probably get flamed for this, but homeopathy isn't entirely bullsh*t. I used to be highly allergic to poison ivy, then during one incident in middle school my doctor recommended I take homeopathic pills made from extract from the leaves, and I haven't had a breakout since... and I have found myself up to my elbows in poison ivy while camping and not paying attention.


Did you run into trouble when the oil hit the anus?
 
2021-01-02 3:37:48 PM  

Truck Fump: Tenez ma biere?


Tenez nos bières.
 
2021-01-02 3:38:42 PM  

slantsix: mateomaui: Enigmamf: France is big into homeopathy. Doctors there have lost their license to practice medicine for criticizing homeopathy. It's... not a smart place.

I'll probably get flamed for this, but homeopathy isn't entirely bullsh*t. I used to be highly allergic to poison ivy, then during one incident in middle school my doctor recommended I take homeopathic pills made from extract from the leaves, and I haven't had a breakout since... and I have found myself up to my elbows in poison ivy while camping and not paying attention.

That's not homeopathy. That's medicine. It's how other allergens are overcome, including peanuts.

Homeopathy is nonsense.


There are claimed urushiol homeopathic "cures", which are million- to billion-fold serial dilutions of some substance of unknown starting density. These are not used medically. They're the kind of things sold to people who can't tell poison oak from a snowberry, because you only need to fool 1% of them to drum up enough business to keep hawking your wares.
 
2021-01-02 3:39:29 PM  

Coach McGirk: mateomaui: Enigmamf: France is big into homeopathy. Doctors there have lost their license to practice medicine for criticizing homeopathy. It's... not a smart place.

I'll probably get flamed for this, but homeopathy isn't entirely bullsh*t. I used to be highly allergic to poison ivy, then during one incident in middle school my doctor recommended I take homeopathic pills made from extract from the leaves, and I haven't had a breakout since... and I have found myself up to my elbows in poison ivy while camping and not paying attention.

Did you run into trouble when the oil hit the anus?


There may have been a tingling.
 
2021-01-02 3:41:50 PM  

make me some tea: Western cultures are on the whole an entitled, ornry bunch.


Da comrade!
 
2021-01-02 3:55:36 PM  
sjmcc13: No thought the US was the only idiots subby, biggest idiots yes, but not only.

I'll tell you, the more news I read from around the world, the more convinced I am that our idiots are merely average. Not the dumbest, just the loudest.

Enigmamf: France is big into homeopathy. Doctors there have lost their license to practice medicine for criticizing homeopathy. It's... not a smart place.

That does not bode well for their long term health. Has it lead to doctors leaving the country?


No, but it has made them less likely to try to use public engagement to reform their health system. Chilling effects, as they say.
 
2021-01-02 3:55:51 PM  
Tenez ma biere?

I think that I'd use "Gardez ma bière".
 
2021-01-02 4:00:17 PM  
Horses and barn doors much? Don't break up the party. Lock them all in for two weeks.
 
2021-01-02 4:00:34 PM  

gameshowhost: mateomaui: gameshowhost: mateomaui: Enigmamf: France is big into homeopathy. Doctors there have lost their license to practice medicine for criticizing homeopathy. It's... not a smart place.

I'll probably get flamed for this, but homeopathy isn't entirely bullsh*t. I used to be highly allergic to poison ivy, then during one incident in middle school my doctor recommended I take homeopathic pills made from extract from the leaves, and I haven't had a breakout since... and I have found myself up to my elbows in poison ivy while camping and not paying attention.

It's more likely that it worked on you but still isn't medicinal to the vast majority of the rest of the population, and you're speaking from a position of confirmation bias.

/medicine is about statistics and the scientific method, homeopathy is much more about [throws dart]
//it's awesome that you found something healing *for you*, don't get me wrong
///anyhow. hopefully one day we'll gain enough knowledge to be able to tailor medicines to the individual

I'll refer back to where my doctor essentially prescribed it, and otherwise what you described is much like other medications... in that they're not always effective for everyone, which is why doctors have a list of alternatives to try if the first one doesn't work out, someone is allergic to it, etc.

And, again, I said it "isn't entirely bullsh*t" which implies that sometimes it is.

If homeopathy weren't a pseudoscience trying to sell itself as a science, I'd agree 100% that it wouldn't be bullshiat, because it would at least be honest about what it is.

/just because something semi-random works every once in a while doesn't wipe away the bullshiat
//you got something out of it -- that's cool.


Well, if you consider that it's like any other branch of medicine, with both valid treatments based in reality (like extract pills to build resistance to poison ivy) and complete bullsh*t as noted by someone else: [There are claimed urushiol homeopathic "cures", which are million- to billion-fold serial dilutions of some substance of unknown starting density]... then you can start being less prejudiced against the things that work.
 
2021-01-02 4:11:27 PM  
Anecdotes are not data.  Unless you are doing research on anecdotes.
 
2021-01-02 4:17:11 PM  

Raoul Eaton: Anecdotes are not data.  Unless you are doing research on anecdotes.


Fark comments are not proof something is entirely invalid either. There evidently was enough background data for my doctor in the 90s to say "you should try this, I think it will work." And it did. Wasn't any more random than anyone else getting prescribed a pharmaceutical.

I'll repeat again: "it's not entirely bullsh*t" (meaning sometimes it is), and "it's not always valid, and not always invalid."
 
2021-01-02 4:22:22 PM  
Anyhow, I've made my point. See y'all in another thread.
 
2021-01-02 4:42:24 PM  

Enigmamf: France is big into homeopathy. Doctors there have lost their license to practice medicine for criticizing homeopathy. It's... not a smart place.


You can only call it homeopathy in the Homeo region of France. Anywhere else and you have to call it "grifting from the poor, desperate and stupid"
 
2021-01-02 5:21:47 PM  

gimlet: make me some tea: Western cultures are on the whole an entitled, ornry bunch.

Da comrade!


Yes, tea is now a Russian. *facepalm*

/good fsm has this place completely lost the farking plot
 
2021-01-02 5:38:26 PM  
The world would be a much better place if this virus only infected the chronically stupid.
 
2021-01-02 5:45:22 PM  

kbronsito: There's stupid people everywhere. Americans are just unique in their constant willingness to put morons in charge of important shiat.


Let me introduce you to the Le Pen family...
 
2021-01-02 5:47:35 PM  

gameshowhost: gimlet: make me some tea: Western cultures are on the whole an entitled, ornry bunch.

Da comrade!

Yes, tea is now a Russian. *facepalm*

/good fsm has this place completely lost the farking plot


Действительно товарищ.
 
2021-01-02 5:54:32 PM  

make me some tea: gameshowhost: gimlet: make me some tea: Western cultures are on the whole an entitled, ornry bunch.

Da comrade!

Yes, tea is now a Russian. *facepalm*

/good fsm has this place completely lost the farking plot

Действительно товарищ.


I knew you were one of us!!!

/welcome to the club
 
2021-01-02 5:58:59 PM  

gameshowhost: mateomaui: Enigmamf: France is big into homeopathy. Doctors there have lost their license to practice medicine for criticizing homeopathy. It's... not a smart place.

I'll probably get flamed for this, but homeopathy isn't entirely bullsh*t. I used to be highly allergic to poison ivy, then during one incident in middle school my doctor recommended I take homeopathic pills made from extract from the leaves, and I haven't had a breakout since... and I have found myself up to my elbows in poison ivy while camping and not paying attention.

It's more likely that it worked on you but still isn't medicinal to the vast majority of the rest of the population, and you're speaking from a position of confirmation bias.

/medicine is about statistics and the scientific method, homeopathy is much more about [throws dart]
//it's awesome that you found something healing *for you*, don't get me wrong
///anyhow. hopefully one day we'll gain enough knowledge to be able to tailor medicines to the individual


It absolutely did not work on him whatsoever.  Homeopathy is literally water.  Literally.  Sometimes it's alcohol.  It is nothing else.
 
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