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(The New York Times)   China banned Australian coal in a spite move. Now China's coal-fired power stations are running short of fuel as a brutal winter bites   (nytimes.com) divider line
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2020-12-21 2:10:10 PM  
China is *also* run by Trumpers?
 
2020-12-21 2:10:51 PM  
I'm pretty sure the NYT editorial staff cares a lot more about the suffering of the Chinese people than the CCP does.
 
2020-12-21 2:17:00 PM  
Clueless mobsters don't know how to run a country let alone a racket
 
2020-12-21 2:46:51 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I'm pretty sure the NYT editorial staff cares a lot more about the suffering of the Chinese people than the CCP does.


You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who cares less about the suffering of Chinese people than the CCP does.


I mean besides Trump.
 
2020-12-21 3:26:11 PM  
Great opportunity for Trump to step in and revitalize coal, bring back those coal jobs, export that stuff. Yep, a big fat beautiful softball of clean coal. You're up Donnie. Get up there.
 
2020-12-21 3:39:57 PM  
I have a feeling that we have a lot more in common with Chinese and Australian people than any of us realize.

As in, all three of our nations suffer due to leadership.
 
2020-12-21 3:41:11 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I'm pretty sure the NYT editorial staff cares a lot more about the suffering of the Chinese people than the CCP does.


The CCP could just pile up the frozen bodies like cordwood and then use them to fire their powerplants.

The problem is that the boilers would be hungry again in an hour.
 
2020-12-21 3:41:30 PM  
So they're at the "finding out" phase?
 
2020-12-21 3:46:19 PM  

edmo: Great opportunity for Trump to step in and revitalize coal, bring back those coal jobs, export that stuff. Yep, a big fat beautiful softball of clean coal. You're up Donnie. Get up there.


I remember a old of US producers wanting the Australian coal market, but due to a lot of logistical (infrastructure) issues it was never going to happen.

Indonesia on the other hand.... (Nasty quality tho)

/Still fix the odd instrument that goes out to the coal fields
 
2020-12-21 3:46:23 PM  
There's a lot of organic matter left over after Uyghurs' organs get harvested. They'll just throw that into the boiler.
 
2020-12-21 3:47:09 PM  
Australia should shut down all coal mines.

Fark coal. Stop destroying your future for money. Export kangaroos and emus instead or something.
 
2020-12-21 3:47:22 PM  
Not to worry, the cold will kill off the sparrows.
 
2020-12-21 3:49:31 PM  

lolmao500: Australia should shut down all coal mines.

Fark coal. Stop destroying your future for money. Export kangaroos and emus instead or something.


Kangaroos and emus don't burn as well.
 
2020-12-21 3:50:06 PM  

edmo: Great opportunity for Trump to step in and revitalize coal, bring back those coal jobs, export that stuff. Yep, a big fat beautiful softball of clean coal. You're up Donnie. Get up there.


wouldn't be a kick in the pants if the coal industry revives under a Biden presidency?
 
2020-12-21 3:50:14 PM  
Good thing Chinese citizens are expendable; this might have actually been an issue in any other country (USA excluded).
 
2020-12-21 3:50:20 PM  
I know China bought a TON of US coal mining companies and closed them down in order to affect the global market.

Now they are screwing themselves over, but I wonder if that means they plan on opening those mines here in the US back up and deal with the cost out of spite as well... A little late for Donnie to take the credit though as they wouldn't be able to get them going before Jan 20...
 
2020-12-21 3:52:01 PM  

Extra Virgin Geek Olive Oil: I know China bought a TON of US coal mining companies and closed them down in order to affect the global market.

Now they are screwing themselves over, but I wonder if that means they plan on opening those mines here in the US back up and deal with the cost out of spite as well... A little late for Donnie to take the credit though as they wouldn't be able to get them going before Jan 20...


Biden: Coal mining will not resume for any closed mine in the USA, especially Chinese owned ones; that is all.
 
2020-12-21 3:52:11 PM  

King Something: You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who cares less about the suffering of Chinese people than the CCP does.


... how about... the fashionista industry and people who buy all that shiat.
 
2020-12-21 3:52:23 PM  
They're Chinese.  They're no joke.  They won't let Kiwi's bring them coke.
 
2020-12-21 3:52:30 PM  

lectos: lolmao500: Australia should shut down all coal mines.

Fark coal. Stop destroying your future for money. Export kangaroos and emus instead or something.

Kangaroos and emus don't burn as well.


Considering how evil emus are, I'd consider that a benefit....
 
2020-12-21 3:52:41 PM  
Next up, food shortages because they've scapegoated food imports from dirty foreigners for spreading corona virus.

Then the sobriety because of rejected Australian wine shipments.
 
2020-12-21 3:52:42 PM  
Sounds like a good time for the price of coal to suddenly quadruple.
 
2020-12-21 3:53:10 PM  

dionysusaur: China is *also* run by Trumpers?


Sounds more like Brexiters.
 
2020-12-21 3:54:00 PM  

bizzwire: edmo: Great opportunity for Trump to step in and revitalize coal, bring back those coal jobs, export that stuff. Yep, a big fat beautiful softball of clean coal. You're up Donnie. Get up there.

wouldn't be a kick in the pants if the coal industry revives under a Biden presidency?


Unlikely.  The equipment is often specific to a site, and can't sit and rust for very long before it becomes unusable.  And that's if you can find the right mix of people (e.g., geologists, engineers, miners, haulers, ,etc.) to mine it in the first place.

/Coal be dead, yo.
 
2020-12-21 3:54:32 PM  
Brutal winter bites? Those hopping vampires don't fark around.
 
2020-12-21 3:56:52 PM  

lectos: lolmao500: Australia should shut down all coal mines.

Fark coal. Stop destroying your future for money. Export kangaroos and emus instead or something.

Kangaroos and emus don't burn as well.


They don't burn at all if you barbecue them correctly.

But yeah, Australia's conservatives LOVE coal, they delayed signing up to agreements to restrict carbon for years, they pretend it's an industry which will deliver blue-collar jobs (but of course it's massively automated these days). Australia produces even more greenhouse emissions per capita than the US, certainly a lot more than China, and I'm not sure that even includes coal exports in the calculations. (I think it's calculated where it's burnt, not dug up.)

Here's our current Prime Minister photographed when he was Treasurer breaching Parliamentary rules by using a prop. His prop of choice? A lump of coal. The dickhead in the bottom of the picture is Barnaby Joyce, who famously declared war on Johnny Depp's dogs.

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2020-12-21 4:02:28 PM  

Aussie_As: lectos: lolmao500: Australia should shut down all coal mines.

Fark coal. Stop destroying your future for money. Export kangaroos and emus instead or something.

Kangaroos and emus don't burn as well.

They don't burn at all if you barbecue them correctly.

But yeah, Australia's conservatives LOVE coal, they delayed signing up to agreements to restrict carbon for years, they pretend it's an industry which will deliver blue-collar jobs (but of course it's massively automated these days). Australia produces even more greenhouse emissions per capita than the US, certainly a lot more than China, and I'm not sure that even includes coal exports in the calculations. (I think it's calculated where it's burnt, not dug up.)

Here's our current Prime Minister photographed when he was Treasurer breaching Parliamentary rules by using a prop. His prop of choice? A lump of coal. The dickhead in the bottom of the picture is Barnaby Joyce, who famously declared war on Johnny Depp's dogs.

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Considering how our country is structured, its more about who's on top (state wise) rather than any inherent political choice.

Go wander around Adelaide, have a look at some of the core infrastructure and the penny may drop...
 
2020-12-21 4:04:48 PM  
Let them burn gutter oil..   fark 'em
 
2020-12-21 4:09:47 PM  

Boomstickz: lectos: lolmao500: Australia should shut down all coal mines.

Fark coal. Stop destroying your future for money. Export kangaroos and emus instead or something.

Kangaroos and emus don't burn as well.

Considering how evil emus are, I'd consider that a benefit....


Just ask any Australian. They're still living under the Emuopoly after losing the Great Emu War.
 
2020-12-21 4:17:21 PM  

lectos: lolmao500: Australia should shut down all coal mines.

Fark coal. Stop destroying your future for money. Export kangaroos and emus instead or something.

Kangaroos and emus don't burn as well.


You ain't lived till you've shared a cold bed with a warm roo.
 
2020-12-21 4:20:27 PM  

Boomstickz: Considering how our country is structured, its more about who's on top (state wise) rather than any inherent political choice.

Go wander around Adelaide, have a look at some of the core infrastructure and the penny may drop...


Bit too cryptic for me on an already a bit pissed Tuesday morning there mate.

Isn't this Adelaide's core infrastructure?

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2020-12-21 4:20:40 PM  
China acting like American voters. I will do something that hurts me just to make an imbecilic point.
 
2020-12-21 4:25:26 PM  
It's going to be a long (January, February, and) march.
 
2020-12-21 4:37:32 PM  

Advernaut: Biden: Coal mining will not resume for any closed mine in the USA, especially Chinese owned ones; that is all.


Ok... while I agree with this in principle. Keep them shut down forever is my official stance on this so what I say next has nothing to do with my personal opinion on the subject. You made a statement regarding a political decree or executive order or whatever and that's what I'm going to focus on, the politics of the matter...

This would be political suicide for Biden. The people that went for Obama, then turned to Trump then back to Biden are people who switch based on what they think the president will do for them in terms of jobs. And for the president to come out and just declare an industry dead, by executive order no less, would mean a single term and then have that executive order overturned in the first hundred days of the next GOP president.

In terms of political strategy only, this would be a colossal mistake. Obama did this dance about clean coal and better environmental codes to allow coal to survive in whatever capacity we would need, but those regulations and that dance pretty much ensured the death of the coal industry while telling people that coal is being protected. Yeah it's a betrayal to coal workers, but politically speaking it's a brilliant move.

This is the nature of politics. A person who is honest about what they want and acts upon that honesty pisses off enough people that they lose the next election, while the person who smiles while stabbing them in the back stays on board long enough to not have to worry about future terms...

You and I don't have to *like* politics as it is practiced, but it's helpful to understand how it's done before just saying that the president will make these declarations, because I promise you he won't and you'll be disappointed and upset by him while I will understand why even if it's not what I would have wanted.
 
2020-12-21 4:42:16 PM  
I guess everybody on the farking planet is drinking stupid juice.
 
2020-12-21 4:47:20 PM  
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Larry approves.
 
2020-12-21 4:49:31 PM  
What they're planning is: All the Chinese will jump at the exact same time, rotating the Earth over end, making it then summer in China. Then when winter comes...JUMP! and they'll never need heating coal again.
 
2020-12-21 4:52:04 PM  
Cool tag MIA?
 
2020-12-21 5:13:26 PM  

Hey Nurse!: lectos: lolmao500: Australia should shut down all coal mines.

Fark coal. Stop destroying your future for money. Export kangaroos and emus instead or something.

Kangaroos and emus don't burn as well.

You ain't lived till you've shared a cold bed with a warm roo.


Her name was Kanga.
 
2020-12-21 5:41:00 PM  

jack_o_the_hills: Let them burn gutter oil..   fark 'em


this. back to the stone age you savages.
 
2020-12-21 5:41:18 PM  
That's some great central planning there Lou.
 
2020-12-21 5:45:07 PM  
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2020-12-21 6:02:10 PM  

Aussie_As: Boomstickz: Considering how our country is structured, its more about who's on top (state wise) rather than any inherent political choice.

Go wander around Adelaide, have a look at some of the core infrastructure and the penny may drop...

Bit too cryptic for me on an already a bit pissed Tuesday morning there mate.

Isn't this Adelaide's core infrastructure?

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Australia, and how the colonys were setup and divided was defined in part by energy poverty.

As such the colony that had the access to the most energy (read coal) was going to have a massive competitive advantage.

NSW traditionally had this, and did (and does) use this leverage still. Given the fact that most of our most important federal politicians are from NSW, you might be able to see a pattern here.

SA was crippled a few times due to coal strikes in NSW, which was party a spur to develop our own sources of energy (Lee creek / Moomba)

As far as Australia's current reliance on coal: the feral government will always do what NSW wants, and since there is no alternative there that maintains that competitive advantage, guess we're screwed.

One of the greatest tragedy's was that Moomba, Olympic Dam and the Bass Strait, were not in NSW: can you imagine how quickly we'd ditch coal if they were?
 
2020-12-21 6:06:26 PM  

Boomstickz: Aussie_As: Boomstickz: Considering how our country is structured, its more about who's on top (state wise) rather than any inherent political choice.

Go wander around Adelaide, have a look at some of the core infrastructure and the penny may drop...

Bit too cryptic for me on an already a bit pissed Tuesday morning there mate.

Isn't this Adelaide's core infrastructure?

[s.ndtvimg.com image 640x428]

Australia, and how the colonys were setup and divided was defined in part by energy poverty.

As such the colony that had the access to the most energy (read coal) was going to have a massive competitive advantage.

NSW traditionally had this, and did (and does) use this leverage still. Given the fact that most of our most important federal politicians are from NSW, you might be able to see a pattern here.

SA was crippled a few times due to coal strikes in NSW, which was party a spur to develop our own sources of energy (Lee creek / Moomba)

As far as Australia's current reliance on coal: the feral government will always do what NSW wants, and since there is no alternative there that maintains that competitive advantage, guess we're screwed.

One of the greatest tragedy's was that Moomba, Olympic Dam and the Bass Strait, were not in NSW: can you imagine how quickly we'd ditch coal if they were?


Ah, gotcha. Good point well made.
 
2020-12-21 6:28:21 PM  
An old school friend of mine runs the rail network in part of Mongolia, most of his freight trucks are rolling coal to China as fast as they can.
Here he is in his official clothing.
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2020-12-21 6:32:01 PM  
I think we still have a coal exploration bounty in SA. Same goes for WA.

It's not really a conservative vs progressive argument: more to the point of which state is on top.

Can you imagine the horror of SA being the richest state or god forbid TAS?

Yikes...
 
2020-12-21 6:43:52 PM  

Gpzjock: An old school friend of mine runs the rail network in part of Mongolia, most of his freight trucks are rolling coal to China as fast as they can.
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Lol, this so ties into Australian politics:

Is he bogie exchanging at the border or are the trucks being unloaded and reloaded?
 
2020-12-21 6:45:44 PM  

Boomstickz: Gpzjock: An old school friend of mine runs the rail network in part of Mongolia, most of his freight trucks are rolling coal to China as fast as they can.
Here he is in his official clothing.[Fark user image image 425x423]

Lol, this so ties into Australian politics:

Is he bogie exchanging at the border or are the trucks being unloaded and reloaded?


Next time I speak to him I will ask.
Not politics, just an abstract fact connected to China's voracious appetite for coal power.
 
2020-12-21 6:50:48 PM  
Sorry, I didn't mean to derail your thread in anyway.
 
2020-12-21 6:58:24 PM  
But gosh, only right next door is North Korea, which exports millions of tons of coal to China every year.

Oh sure, it's been limited by sanctions.  Who actually thinks China obeys them?
 
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