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(AP News)   China has successfully suppressed COVID-19, allowing its citizens' lives to return to a semblance of normal. And all it took was a little bit of crushing authoritarianism   (apnews.com) divider line
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2020-12-16 8:26:51 AM  
The challenge is jobs: The economy is growing again, but the recovery is uneven. Many big manufacturers are back to normal, but consumer spending remains tepid and smaller companies are contracting or closing.

The ONLY way the economy can be growing again is that China's economy is even more cartoonishly unbalanced than was previously understood or they just make up growth numbers.
 
2020-12-16 8:36:43 AM  
This must be why WE CAN'T GET OUR DAMN PLAYSTATIONS!!!!
 
2020-12-16 8:51:40 AM  
All guilty parties involved in this minor inconvenience have suffered a bullet related misfortune.
 
2020-12-16 8:53:08 AM  
Looks like Hunter Biden's plan to get his father elected and kill off 300k is complete.  What?  A large bag of money?  For me?  Why thank you.
 
2020-12-16 8:54:11 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: All guilty parties involved in this minor inconvenience have suffered a bullet related misfortune.


And their families have been charged the cost of the bullet.
 
2020-12-16 8:54:23 AM  
Now do Australia, red-hatmitter.
 
2020-12-16 8:57:04 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Now do Australia, red-hatmitter.


Right?! I feel like Australia and New Zealand are not generally thought of as, 'authoritarian wasteland shiat holes.' But hey, keep enjoyin' those freedumbs
 
2020-12-16 8:57:38 AM  
In fairness the people that spread the disease in the US only respond to authoritarianism.
 
2020-12-16 8:58:21 AM  
That's a lot easier when normal looks a lot like crushing authoritarianism anyway.
 
2020-12-16 8:58:33 AM  
Yeah, I'll believe any data coming out of China, they are so well known for their transparency.

/sarcasm
 
2020-12-16 8:59:25 AM  
The one time that the authoritarian government Trump wants to be might be useful . . . and he fails again.
 
2020-12-16 9:01:32 AM  
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2020-12-16 9:02:04 AM  

Golden Brown Delicious: Giant Clown Shoe: Now do Australia, red-hatmitter.

Right?! I feel like Australia and New Zealand are not generally thought of as, 'authoritarian wasteland shiat holes.' But hey, keep enjoyin' those freedumbs


Asking Walmart shoppers to wear masks is morally equivalent to harvesting the organs of political prisoners.

/Uyghur, please
 
2020-12-16 9:03:57 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Now do Australia, red-hatmitter.


Australia has 75% the area of the US, and 1/13th the population.  There's a lot more room for them to spread their SARS-CoV-2 virions around before running into someone else. Their lockdowns were also very severe, and not yet entirely over -- for example, some of my colleagues still cannot have in-person meetings with a potential customer.

Would you like to try again?
 
2020-12-16 9:05:10 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: In fairness the people that spread the disease in the US only respond to authoritarianism.


Yes, a good example is how people fleeing from New York City spread it around the rest of the country early on.
 
2020-12-16 9:07:08 AM  
Crushing authoritarianism can get shiat done. Less so when it's only applied to racist bullshiat for the darker skinned folks
 
2020-12-16 9:11:45 AM  

b2theory: The challenge is jobs: The economy is growing again, but the recovery is uneven. Many big manufacturers are back to normal, but consumer spending remains tepid and smaller companies are contracting or closing.

The ONLY way the economy can be growing again is that China's economy is even more cartoonishly unbalanced than was previously understood or they just make up growth numbers.


In China the economy is whatever the CCP says it is.
 
2020-12-16 9:12:35 AM  
If we had the ability to be disciplined in our conduct we wouldn't need crushing authoritarianism to beat back the covid pandemic but I'm starting to think that's what it'll take. I don't even see the vaccine doing all that much if the reports that half the country doesn't want to take it are true.
 
2020-12-16 9:14:00 AM  

houstondragon: Crushing authoritarianism can get shiat done. Less so when it's only applied to racist bullshiat for the darker skinned folks


It doesn't really get stuff done though. That's why they went through all that market-reform under Deng Xiaoping.
 
2020-12-16 9:16:18 AM  
Fark China
 
2020-12-16 9:18:46 AM  

alitaki: If we had the ability to be disciplined in our conduct we wouldn't need crushing authoritarianism to beat back the covid pandemic but I'm starting to think that's what it'll take. I don't even see the vaccine doing all that much if the reports that half the country doesn't want to take it are true.


Those reports aren't true.  At best they captured a snapshot from the period when the media saw fit to demonize Trump ("he's going to approve a dangerous vaccine before the election for political purposes!") for partisan reasons.  But even then, something like 63% of the country said they would get the vaccine.  Other recent polls show higher numbers of people who want the vaccine, although those aged 18-29 seem particularly anti-vaccine.
 
2020-12-16 9:19:58 AM  

Dork Gently: HotWingConspiracy: In fairness the people that spread the disease in the US only respond to authoritarianism.

Yes, a good example is how people fleeing from New York City spread it around the rest of the country early on.


That was debunked months ago.

And you have no excuse for being unhygienic idiots that literally cannot figure out how to protect yourselves for months now. Or have you been jamming lightbulbs up your ass like the president suggested?
 
2020-12-16 9:21:53 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: All guilty parties involved in this minor inconvenience have suffered a bullet related misfortune.


I like to refer to that as dying from lead poisoning.
 
2020-12-16 9:22:01 AM  

alitaki: If we had the ability to be disciplined in our conduct we wouldn't need crushing authoritarianism to beat back the covid pandemic but I'm starting to think that's what it'll take. I don't even see the vaccine doing all that much if the reports that half the country doesn't want to take it are true.


I'm encouraged by some polls indicating that upwards of 70% say they'll get it, but I also know not to place too much stock in polling.

I think a lot of these people on the fence, or otherwise expressing doubt, will likely end up getting the vaccine once they see enough other people doing it. They'll follow the herd once they see them going that way. I just hope there's enough of us on the side of "HOLY F*CK YES SHOOT ME UP NOW" in order to reach that tipping point.
 
2020-12-16 9:26:48 AM  
China does not include people who test positive but show no symptoms in its confirmed case counts.

If we did that here in the United States, we'd have this under control as well.
 
2020-12-16 9:27:43 AM  

Dork Gently: Giant Clown Shoe: Now do Australia, red-hatmitter.

Australia has 75% the area of the US, and 1/13th the population.  There's a lot more room for them to spread their SARS-CoV-2 virions around before running into someone else. Their lockdowns were also very severe, and not yet entirely over -- for example, some of my colleagues still cannot have in-person meetings with a potential customer.

Would you like to try again?


Explain the Dakotas, then.

Face it, 1 in 1000 American died because it was more important to be able to shop at Lowe's without a mask than to save their lives.
 
2020-12-16 9:27:50 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Dork Gently: HotWingConspiracy: In fairness the people that spread the disease in the US only respond to authoritarianism.

Yes, a good example is how people fleeing from New York City spread it around the rest of the country early on.

That was debunked months ago.

And you have no excuse for being unhygienic idiots that literally cannot figure out how to protect yourselves for months now. Or have you been jamming lightbulbs up your ass like the president suggested?


"Debunked" (https://www.ft.com/content/a52198f6-0​d20-4607-b12a-05110bc48723, which Fark won't hotlink, so be careful cutting and pasting).  "Months ago".  As recently as yesterday: "New York was the original epicenter of the pandemic in the U.S."
 
2020-12-16 9:27:58 AM  
That is probably what it will take here, too subs.  About 30% of our population is terminally stupid, and now they are infectious.

We should treat hoaxers like the lublic health threat they are.
 
2020-12-16 9:29:06 AM  

Dork Gently: Giant Clown Shoe: Now do Australia, red-hatmitter.

Australia has 75% the area of the US, and 1/13th the population.  There's a lot more room for them to spread their SARS-CoV-2 virions around before running into someone else. Their lockdowns were also very severe, and not yet entirely over -- for example, some of my colleagues still cannot have in-person meetings with a potential customer.

Would you like to try again?


Being in a sparsely populated area is no panacea for COVID. Gove County, KS has a population of just over 2,600 people spread across 2,780 square kilometers, meaning Australia has a population 3 times as dense as this county. Gove County reports 315 cases of COVID and 20 deaths to COVID. That's a case rate of nearly 1 in 8 residents and a death rate of nearly 1 in 130 residents. The case rate is marginally higher than any polity on the planet (the closest I'm aware of is Andorra at about 2 cases per 21 residents), and the death rate is far higher than any polity on the planet (the closest I'm aware of is Belgium at about 1 death per 650 residents).
 
2020-12-16 9:29:19 AM  

mrmopar5287: China does not include people who test positive but show no symptoms in its confirmed case counts.

If we did that here in the United States, we'd have this under control as well.


And somehow, in the last six months, they had ~6000 confirmed cases and only two deaths.  How did they get that marvelous 0.03% case fatality rate?  That's better than the flu!
 
2020-12-16 9:29:38 AM  

Dork Gently: HotWingConspiracy: In fairness the people that spread the disease in the US only respond to authoritarianism.

Yes, a good example is how people fleeing from New York City spread it around the rest of the country early on.


If only there had been a way to protect people from those dirty New Yorkers... Some sort of protection you could wear, or maybe preventing people from coming in contact with them by having them stay home...
 
2020-12-16 9:31:54 AM  

Dork Gently: Giant Clown Shoe: Now do Australia, red-hatmitter.

Australia has 75% the area of the US, and 1/13th the population.  There's a lot more room for them to spread their SARS-CoV-2 virions around before running into someone else. Their lockdowns were also very severe, and not yet entirely over -- for example, some of my colleagues still cannot have in-person meetings with a potential customer.

Would you like to try again?


So Australia beat the virus but spreading people out into the uninhabitable desert and waiting until it went away? Seems legit
 
2020-12-16 9:33:43 AM  

Dork Gently: Giant Clown Shoe: Now do Australia, red-hatmitter.

Australia has 75% the area of the US, and 1/13th the population.  There's a lot more room for them to spread their SARS-CoV-2 virions around before running into someone else. Their lockdowns were also very severe, and not yet entirely over -- for example, some of my colleagues still cannot have in-person meetings with a potential customer.

Would you like to try again?


Yeah, forced 14-day quarantine with daily testing at your own cost isn't something that would fly here in the US because "the poors" or something.
 
2020-12-16 9:34:28 AM  

Flab: Dork Gently: Giant Clown Shoe: Now do Australia, red-hatmitter.

Australia has 75% the area of the US, and 1/13th the population.  There's a lot more room for them to spread their SARS-CoV-2 virions around before running into someone else. Their lockdowns were also very severe, and not yet entirely over -- for example, some of my colleagues still cannot have in-person meetings with a potential customer.

Would you like to try again?

Explain the Dakotas, then.

Face it, 1 in 1000 American died because it was more important to be able to shop at Lowe's without a mask than to save their lives.


The Dakotas have a higher population density (4 people per sq km) than Australia (3.2 people per sq km).  According to the people who defend NYC's early handling of the outbreak, higher population density makes a huge difference in the spread of COVID.

In reality, it's at least partly due to social distancing and mask-wearing and limiting travel.  There's not one single panacea, but having lower population density helps a lot.
 
2020-12-16 9:34:37 AM  

Dork Gently: HotWingConspiracy: Dork Gently: HotWingConspiracy: In fairness the people that spread the disease in the US only respond to authoritarianism.

Yes, a good example is how people fleeing from New York City spread it around the rest of the country early on.

That was debunked months ago.

And you have no excuse for being unhygienic idiots that literally cannot figure out how to protect yourselves for months now. Or have you been jamming lightbulbs up your ass like the president suggested?

"Debunked" (https://www.ft.com/content/a52198f6-0​d20-4607-b12a-05110bc48723, which Fark won't hotlink, so be careful cutting and pasting).  "Months ago".  As recently as yesterday: "New York was the original epicenter of the pandemic in the U.S."


I can't get the link to work.

But anyway, NY becoming an epicenter is a separate conversation. That doesn't support your claims that it was spread by people leaving the city. Earliest cases were on the west coast and had been spreading for months before the first case was actually identified and reported.
 
2020-12-16 9:36:24 AM  
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2020-12-16 9:40:01 AM  

b2theory: The challenge is jobs: The economy is growing again, but the recovery is uneven. Many big manufacturers are back to normal, but consumer spending remains tepid and smaller companies are contracting or closing.

The ONLY way the economy can be growing again is that China's economy is even more cartoonishly unbalanced than was previously understood or they just make up growth numbers.


They are building infrastructure like they have the wealth and confidence of Jeff Bezos.  Infrastructure week never came here.
 
2020-12-16 9:43:43 AM  
What did China provide that would be equivalent to US stimulus? My gut says like most civilized countries, they provided more than the US did.
 
2020-12-16 9:49:26 AM  

alitaki: If we had the ability to be disciplined in our conduct we wouldn't need crushing authoritarianism to beat back the covid pandemic but I'm starting to think that's what it'll take. I don't even see the vaccine doing all that much if the reports that half the country doesn't want to take it are true.


IMO, a temporary condition..  people are avoiding buyers remorse right now... Mikey hasn't approved it.   So far, side effects are a 36 hour bout of feeling like shait, with sides of chills and headaches..  give it a month or three : if they don't get worse than that, good bet that acceptance is around the corner...  beats hell out of dying.....
 
2020-12-16 9:50:16 AM  

pearls before swine: That's a lot easier when normal looks a lot like crushing authoritarianism anyway.


Australia crushed covid as well.  And all it took was for EVERYONE to act like a responsible human being and follow a few simple rules for four month.
 
2020-12-16 9:50:17 AM  

SimonElectric: What did China provide that would be equivalent to US stimulus? My gut says like most civilized countries, they provided more than the US did.


They nailed or welded doors to apartment buildings shut and had the PLA deliver food.  This article says almost all of their stimulus money went to businesses and investments.  KPMG says they cut payroll and income taxes in some cases, but otherwise very little went to individuals.
 
2020-12-16 9:51:48 AM  
This just proves how incompetent our current dictator is.
 
2020-12-16 9:53:44 AM  

Flab: Dork Gently: Giant Clown Shoe: Now do Australia, red-hatmitter.

Australia has 75% the area of the US, and 1/13th the population.  There's a lot more room for them to spread their SARS-CoV-2 virions around before running into someone else. Their lockdowns were also very severe, and not yet entirely over -- for example, some of my colleagues still cannot have in-person meetings with a potential customer.

Would you like to try again?

Explain the Dakotas, then.

Face it, 1 in 1000 American died because it was more important to be able to shop at Lowe's without a mask than to save their lives.


Most interesting and maybe unrelated is the observation that deaths per 100K population varies from about 90 to 120 in almost every country around the world.  Except for Belgium (140) which might be population genetics?  We are not the worst (yet). Each country has its own different problem.  And there are in fact some people around the world as dumb and stubborn as the dumbest, most stubborn American. But we have more of them.
 
2020-12-16 9:56:54 AM  

OlderGuy: alitaki: If we had the ability to be disciplined in our conduct we wouldn't need crushing authoritarianism to beat back the covid pandemic but I'm starting to think that's what it'll take. I don't even see the vaccine doing all that much if the reports that half the country doesn't want to take it are true.

IMO, a temporary condition..  people are avoiding buyers remorse right now... Mikey hasn't approved it.   So far, side effects are a 36 hour bout of feeling like shait, with sides of chills and headaches..  give it a month or three : if they don't get worse than that, good bet that acceptance is around the corner...  beats hell out of dying.....


Do you still think "masks are for sheeple?"
 
2020-12-16 9:56:59 AM  
Beating covid-19 isn't worth it if even one American citizen can't go to Applebee's for half apps and dollar taps, whenever they want and without a mask. It's right there in the constitution.
 
2020-12-16 9:58:52 AM  

bighairyguy: This just proves how incompetent our current dictator is.


Ignoring your TDS, he, or any president, cannot order people to do something.. China can and did.
 
2020-12-16 10:01:59 AM  
While Americans are worried about Chinese soldiers in Maine, China has been landing on the Moon. We have blinders on. America's leadership in the world is not a permanent gift from God. It requires awareness, work, and acknowledging that the other guys are working hard too. It is within the realm of possible that they are doing some things better than we are. We should pay attention. We may conclude that their methods are unacceptable, but we should arrive at that conclusion after some thought.
I do know that this is Fark, and I'm trying to get a "hungry an hour later" and a "ching-chong" into this.
 
2020-12-16 10:05:33 AM  

snowjack: OlderGuy: alitaki: If we had the ability to be disciplined in our conduct we wouldn't need crushing authoritarianism to beat back the covid pandemic but I'm starting to think that's what it'll take. I don't even see the vaccine doing all that much if the reports that half the country doesn't want to take it are true.

IMO, a temporary condition..  people are avoiding buyers remorse right now... Mikey hasn't approved it.   So far, side effects are a 36 hour bout of feeling like shait, with sides of chills and headaches..  give it a month or three : if they don't get worse than that, good bet that acceptance is around the corner...  beats hell out of dying.....

Do you still think "masks are for sheeple?"


Never did think that... masks and distancing slow down the spread.  They don't stop it.  Still wear mine when I am out.  And that,s a leftist phrase..  conservatives don't use that.
 
2020-12-16 10:08:20 AM  

SimonElectric: What did China provide that would be equivalent to US stimulus? My gut says like most civilized countries, they provided more than the US did.


Here's the China stimulus for you.

Jan - June: STFU and stay at home under penalty of prison.

After June: all hail Winnie the Pooh and the Party.  Covid is now controlled. Get back to work!
 
2020-12-16 10:10:53 AM  

Dork Gently: HotWingConspiracy: Dork Gently: HotWingConspiracy: In fairness the people that spread the disease in the US only respond to authoritarianism.

Yes, a good example is how people fleeing from New York City spread it around the rest of the country early on.

That was debunked months ago.

And you have no excuse for being unhygienic idiots that literally cannot figure out how to protect yourselves for months now. Or have you been jamming lightbulbs up your ass like the president suggested?

"Debunked" (https://www.ft.com/content/a52198f6-0​d20-4607-b12a-05110bc48723, which Fark won't hotlink, so be careful cutting and pasting).  "Months ago".  As recently as yesterday: "New York was the original epicenter of the pandemic in the U.S."


The definition of debunked appears to have changed to : Information that undercuts my beliefs or wishes.
 
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