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(Business Insider)   Shoplifting at Target is OK unless you steal more than $1200 worth of merchandise   (businessinsider.com) divider line
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2020-12-10 11:50:55 AM  
Just $200 here in NJ to be charged with felony in the 4th degree ($500 for 3rd degree).
 
2020-12-10 12:06:01 PM  
If you don't want to face criminal charges for theft, don't steal things.
 
2020-12-10 12:13:44 PM  
What's that like, two rolls of toilet paper and a pack of double-A batteries?
 
2020-12-10 12:15:00 PM  
Yeah, Wal-Mart usually keeps videos of shoplifters and only acts if there's habitual offenders.  One time we had this dude in a work vest cart in a work trolley and roll out with a few flat screens.  When he tried it the third time, security was waiting with a few police.
 
2020-12-10 12:20:35 PM  
The Indian casinos do this as well.
 
2020-12-10 1:39:00 PM  

rjakobi: Yeah, Wal-Mart usually keeps videos of shoplifters and only acts if there's habitual offenders.  One time we had this dude in a work vest cart in a work trolley and roll out with a few flat screens.  When he tried it the third time, security was waiting with a few police.


Wait, you work at Wal-Mart? Is it true greeters are on top of the pecking order and other employees are required to kiss his or her ring?
 
2020-12-10 1:57:22 PM  
The wife worked one Xmas season at a sporting goods store that had their loss prevention dialed in. They never intervened, but called the cops. They were just good enough at spotting and delaying the shoplifters that the cops would get there and have time to get the details from the loss prevention guy. One day, my wife said they spotted these kids and called the cops. Cocky little shiats are walking out the door, see the officer standing there and said "What are you doing?". He said "I'm just waiting for you to cross that line with that backpack.".

The kid rethought his little crime spree right there. Cool thing about the store is that they don't want to go thru all of the bullshiat of having someone arrested. If they can get the person to return the shiat, get their picture taken, and be banned form the store, knowing that if they come back it's trespassing on top of theft, that's quicker and easier.
 
2020-12-10 2:18:16 PM  

damageddude: Just $200 here in NJ to be charged with felony in the 4th degree ($500 for 3rd degree).


Due to Prop 47 (passed in 2014), any theft in California is a misdemeanor unless it's more than $950.  This includes shoplifting and theft of a firearm (most firearms are worth less than $950).  IMHO, Prop 47 passed mainly because it also reduced possession of most drugs to a misdemeanor as well.

Needless to say, thefts of firearms have skyrocketed, as well as organized shoplifting rings who sometimes take a calculator to make sure they don't shoplift items with sales prices of more than $949.99 at any one time.

Prop 20 on the November 2020 ballot tried to fix this, but it had too many "tough on crime" measures stuck together on one bill and it failed.
 
2020-12-10 2:55:29 PM  

Geotpf: damageddude: Just $200 here in NJ to be charged with felony in the 4th degree ($500 for 3rd degree).

Due to Prop 47 (passed in 2014), any theft in California is a misdemeanor unless it's more than $950.  This includes shoplifting and theft of a firearm (most firearms are worth less than $950).  IMHO, Prop 47 passed mainly because it also reduced possession of most drugs to a misdemeanor as well.

Needless to say, thefts of firearms have skyrocketed, as well as organized shoplifting rings who sometimes take a calculator to make sure they don't shoplift items with sales prices of more than $949.99 at any one time.

Prop 20 on the November 2020 ballot tried to fix this, but it had too many "tough on crime" measures stuck together on one bill and it failed.


That's sorta the definition of misdemeanor isn't it though ?

In law and order Texas, felony theft is more than $1,500.

There are carve outs for stealing live stock though.
 
2020-12-10 3:11:29 PM  

Geotpf: Needless to say, thefts of firearms have skyrocketed,


Only from the tiny minority of irresponsible gun owners.
 
2020-12-10 3:22:16 PM  
CA's shoplifting problem is that cops say "it's not worth it" for them to pursue because the fine isn't big enough and overcrowding in jails may result in no time served.  That's their decision to not enforce the law, not that the law isn't in place.

The bit about calculators is anecdotal and unverified.
 
2020-12-10 3:39:05 PM  
Lowes does this too and they also have facial recognition software to alert management when somebody who has stolen before enters the store. Big brother is here.
 
2020-12-10 4:30:02 PM  

Nosferartoo: CA's shoplifting problem is that cops say "it's not worth it" for them to pursue because the fine isn't big enough and overcrowding in jails may result in no time served.  That's their decision to not enforce the law, not that the law isn't in place.

The bit about calculators is anecdotal and unverified.


I didn't make it up, though.

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/201​6​/05/14/shoplifting-california-prop-47-​reduced-penalties/

"We've heard of cases where they're going into stores with a calculator so they can make sure that what they steal is worth less than $950," said Robin Shakely, Sacramento County assistant chief deputy district attorney.
 
2020-12-10 5:12:14 PM  
It's common. Which kinda makes it hard to justify to your wage slaves that you're prepared to let the equivalent of a half months pay go out the door while yelling at them for being 5 minutes late from break.
 
2020-12-10 5:26:21 PM  
When I worked retail back in the 90s our Loss Prevention team would do this as well. It seems pretty standard to wait until it is a felony if you can simply discourage someone by having them employees be overbearingly helpful.
 
2020-12-10 5:31:40 PM  
Slow your roll, Business Insider dot com. Your blog isn't worthy of a pay wall.
 
2020-12-10 6:06:07 PM  
Heard a story about a Target employee that was swiping stuff, the Loss Prevention just waited and noted what was taken until it crossed the felony threshold.
 
2020-12-10 7:28:22 PM  
Way, way back in the day, my wife shoplifted while with a friend.  They stole from multiple stores, and got caught at Sears with the loot from the other stores.

Sears took back the stuff, called up the other stores, and banned them from the store.  Target's security guys were stunned at how much was stolen, and couldn't figure out how they managed it.  They banned her from their store as well.

Three, four years later, she needed a job and applied at Target.  They hired her... as security.
 
2020-12-10 8:26:10 PM  
Anyone remember this case from the 1980s or so? The defense was that the store markup was so high that, the plaintiff argued, the marked value of the merchandise was ridiculously over-inflated. Therefore the ACTUAL value of the crime was not grand theft, but only petty theft?

Nobody could use that defense today, probably, because margins are so thin.

But it gets one to thinking.... if the price on an item is what the store says it is.... you could have some fun trapping some thieves with ridiculously marked up items, or even boxes filled with junk.
 
2020-12-10 8:30:49 PM  

rjakobi: Yeah, Wal-Mart usually keeps videos of shoplifters and only acts if there's habitual offenders.  One time we had this dude in a work vest cart in a work trolley and roll out with a few flat screens.  When he tried it the third time, security was waiting with a few police.


Meanwhile, actual paying customers are threatened with arrest for not showing their receipt to the "Greeter".

Eff Walmart.
 
2020-12-11 12:07:09 AM  

Fursecution: Heard a story about a Target employee that was swiping stuff, the Loss Prevention just waited and noted what was taken until it crossed the felony threshold.


In high school I worked at an equivalent to Target. Another high school kid had his friends come through his checkstand with tons of sporting goods and electronics.  They caught it all on video. Let it add up for three months, then busted him. Convinced his parents to pay for it all to keep their boy out of jail.
Store GM bragged that it boosted his sales numbers.
 
2020-12-11 2:10:58 AM  

Geotpf: Nosferartoo: CA's shoplifting problem is that cops say "it's not worth it" for them to pursue because the fine isn't big enough and overcrowding in jails may result in no time served.  That's their decision to not enforce the law, not that the law isn't in place.

The bit about calculators is anecdotal and unverified.

I didn't make it up, though.

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016​/05/14/shoplifting-california-prop-47-​reduced-penalties/

"We've heard of cases where they're going into stores with a calculator so they can make sure that what they steal is worth less than $950," said Robin Shakely, Sacramento County assistant chief deputy district attorney.


Your quote is hearsay, not proof.
 
2020-12-11 8:23:25 AM  

2fardownthread: Anyone remember this case from the 1980s or so? The defense was that the store markup was so high that, the plaintiff argued, the marked value of the merchandise was ridiculously over-inflated. Therefore the ACTUAL value of the crime was not grand theft, but only petty theft?

Nobody could use that defense today, probably, because margins are so thin.

But it gets one to thinking.... if the price on an item is what the store says it is.... you could have some fun trapping some thieves with ridiculously marked up items, or even boxes filled with junk.


It depends on the merchandise. Softlines (clothing), the markups are pretty high (back in the 80s it ran 50-70%, probably less now), whereas hardlines were much lower. Most courts wouldn't bother with the distinction, though.
 
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