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(The Hollywood Reporter)   Christopher Nolan: "Some of our industry's biggest filmmakers and most important movie stars went to bed [Dec. 3rd] thinking they were working for the greatest movie studio and woke up to find out they were working for the worst streaming service"   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line
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2020-12-07 9:30:48 PM  
So basically he's pissed it can be shown on a platform where the spectator can turn the brightness up and the volume down? Or is he saying it's worth it that his movie is the last one they ever see?
 
2020-12-07 9:33:45 PM  
his contract probably has points on the grosses,,,, no release... no money. poor thing
 
2020-12-07 9:49:30 PM  
Boo frickin hoo, dude.
 
2020-12-07 9:58:03 PM  

Scar4711: his contract probably has points on the grosses,,,, no release... no money. poor thing


This ^ rings true.
Most directors and A-list actors ask for a fraction of a percentage point on the films gross returns in lieu of drastically affecting the films budget with casting.. Considering the studio's habits of "creative accounting", can't really blame them.
In the same token, it's kinda sad...
We're all making sacrifices right now, so suck it up Nolan.
 
2020-12-07 10:33:36 PM  

Redh8t: Scar4711: his contract probably has points on the grosses,,,, no release... no money. poor thing

This ^ rings true.
Most directors and A-list actors ask for a fraction of a percentage point on the films gross returns in lieu of drastically affecting the films budget with casting.. Considering the studio's habits of "creative accounting", can't really blame them.
In the same token, it's kinda sad...
We're all making sacrifices right now, so suck it up Nolan.


I would agree on the "suck it up" sentiment with the caveat that the entertainment industry tends to fark over artists as much as they can, and I can't blame artists for getting salty from time to time.
 
2020-12-07 10:37:20 PM  
Sick burn.

And a hundred times easier to understand than any of his movies.
 
2020-12-07 10:54:27 PM  
Looks like warner bros is committing suicide so Disney can have a monopoly.
 
2020-12-07 11:13:29 PM  

Hoban Washburne: Redh8t: Scar4711: his contract probably has points on the grosses,,,, no release... no money. poor thing

This ^ rings true.
Most directors and A-list actors ask for a fraction of a percentage point on the films gross returns in lieu of drastically affecting the films budget with casting.. Considering the studio's habits of "creative accounting", can't really blame them.
In the same token, it's kinda sad...
We're all making sacrifices right now, so suck it up Nolan.

I would agree on the "suck it up" sentiment with the caveat that the entertainment industry tends to fark over artists as much as they can, and I can't blame artists for getting salty from time to time.


And "self dealing", selling your movies to your own streaming service, is perfect for hiding profits. You sell it cheap and then claim there is no profit, because all the profit is in the streaming division. When your conglomerate owns both they don't care which division actually reports the profit, it all goes into the same pot. Or sell a dozen movies in one package, then tell each director/star that their movie was only for a small fraction of the deal price. Since they're all confidential no one will ever find out that all twelve directors/producers/stars were told their movie was only ten million dollars of the total, yet the total was far more than $120m. It's The Producers scam in reverse.

The stupid thing is streaming and/or online downloads could end up being hugely profitable. The same studios and talent were convinced VHS was never going to succeed and would just damage the business, yet it ended up being huge. Sell movie downloads for a dollar or two and you'd sell lots. How many people spend $50-$100 taking the kids to a movie? How many times a year? Once? Twice? Never? Sell movies for $2 and the same people might buy a movie a week. That's $100 almost pure income for the studio. That $100 spent going to a cinema might be half popcorn and drinks and of the remaining $50 the studio might only see half.
Selling movies for $2 could end up making far more profit for the studios. And now that so many people have huge TVs and decent sound systems you enjoy it just as much, in your own home.

This could end up being profitable. But it sounds like the way they've done it has pissed off a lot of people.
 
2020-12-07 11:29:13 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Hoban Washburne: Redh8t: Scar4711: his contract probably has points on the grosses,,,, no release... no money. poor thing

This ^ rings true.
Most directors and A-list actors ask for a fraction of a percentage point on the films gross returns in lieu of drastically affecting the films budget with casting.. Considering the studio's habits of "creative accounting", can't really blame them.
In the same token, it's kinda sad...
We're all making sacrifices right now, so suck it up Nolan.

I would agree on the "suck it up" sentiment with the caveat that the entertainment industry tends to fark over artists as much as they can, and I can't blame artists for getting salty from time to time.

And "self dealing", selling your movies to your own streaming service, is perfect for hiding profits. You sell it cheap and then claim there is no profit, because all the profit is in the streaming division. When your conglomerate owns both they don't care which division actually reports the profit, it all goes into the same pot. Or sell a dozen movies in one package, then tell each director/star that their movie was only for a small fraction of the deal price. Since they're all confidential no one will ever find out that all twelve directors/producers/stars were told their movie was only ten million dollars of the total, yet the total was far more than $120m. It's The Producers scam in reverse.

The stupid thing is streaming and/or online downloads could end up being hugely profitable. The same studios and talent were convinced VHS was never going to succeed and would just damage the business, yet it ended up being huge. Sell movie downloads for a dollar or two and you'd sell lots. How many people spend $50-$100 taking the kids to a movie? How many times a year? Once? Twice? Never? Sell movies for $2 and the same people might buy a movie a week. That's $100 almost pure income for the studio. That $100 spent going to a cinema might be half popcorn and drinks and of the remaining $50 the studio might only see half.
Selling movies for $2 could end up making far more profit for the studios. And now that so many people have huge TVs and decent sound systems you enjoy it just as much, in your own home.

This could end up being profitable. But it sounds like the way they've done it has pissed off a lot of people.


I think much like high cost office leases looking stupid in the wake of COVID-19 and associated telework, the big theater model's death has now been accelerated.  I HOPE that we get back to a new normal with vaccinations, but I have to imagine big theaters won't survive.  Boutique or otherwise unique theater concepts will probably survived long-term.  We were already heading this way with the prominence of home theaters and on demand capabilities. I think contract structures will need to be very different going forward.
 
2020-12-08 12:00:38 AM  
Theaters will always have their draw.
But if they want to compete with streaming, they'll have to do better than overpriced popcorn and watered down soda.
The theaters in China, SK, and the Philippines are far better. You can have a bacon cheese burger and fries delivered to your seat, along with a beer. The tray fits into the cup holder, and your drink into the tray. The washrooms have screens showing the film, do you can watch while you piss (opinion valid for male ticket holders) don't know what the ladies washroom looked like.
Bottom line, American theaters and studios need to stop milking their customers for every last drop.

Frankly, I have Netflix and Primetime for Oculus, which offers massive screens and multiple perspectives. Plus I can burp and fart without someone kicking the back of my chesterfield. Although once in a while I get an elbow in the ribs.
 
2020-12-08 12:16:45 AM  
The self dealing is what will kill them.

I'm just waiting on starlink because I live in an area without broadband. Then I can stream away and kick directv to the curb.
 
2020-12-08 12:23:27 AM  

Rhyno45: So basically he's pissed it can be shown on a platform where the spectator can turn the brightness up and the volume down? Or is he saying it's worth it that his movie is the last one they ever see?


Really? Can I turn the brightness up or down, or the volume up or down?  No, Because I don't subscribe to HBO.  Do you think these first-run movies will be free with your $15/mo sub?  No, like Mulan, your sub allows you to pay an additional $22 to watch it.  Or you could arr it for free and f them.
 
2020-12-08 3:34:29 AM  
I just finished reading Michael Caine's "Blowing the Bloody Doors Off".  One of the tidbits he relates is that Nolan told him the only real scenes in "Inception" are the ones Caine is in.  The rest are all dreams and inception fantasies.  I look forward to watching the movie again knowing this.
 
2020-12-08 3:35:36 AM  
Also Caine named one of his daughters after a character from an Ayn Rand novel.  Which seems weird for someone who grew up working-class in London.
 
2020-12-08 5:52:35 AM  
What damage will be done to exhibitors by training customers that if they sit on their sofas, the biggest movies will come?

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My favorite part of supporting the struggling artists like Nolan in their righteous battle against the studios is the respect they have for me as a consumer.

Also, Inception sucked.
 
2020-12-08 6:41:21 AM  
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2020-12-08 7:11:29 AM  

Jake Havechek: [Fark user image image 425x398]


Your Dasani street dealer is screwing you if you're paying $1.99 for 20oz.
 
2020-12-08 7:11:57 AM  
I'll need a moment to gather the required sympathy for these poor creatures before i start my shift at the VA.
 
2020-12-08 7:12:23 AM  
I will now watch most of these movies, including his, that I would have NEVER gone to a theater to see.

So his complaint is clearly not an artistic one.
 
2020-12-08 7:21:18 AM  

Redh8t: Theaters will always have their draw.
But if they want to compete with streaming, they'll have to do better than overpriced popcorn and watered down soda.
The theaters in China, SK, and the Philippines are far better. You can have a bacon cheese burger and fries delivered to your seat, along with a beer. The tray fits into the cup holder, and your drink into the tray. The washrooms have screens showing the film, do you can watch while you piss (opinion valid for male ticket holders) don't know what the ladies washroom looked like.
Bottom line, American theaters and studios need to stop milking their customers for every last drop.

Frankly, I have Netflix and Primetime for Oculus, which offers massive screens and multiple perspectives. Plus I can burp and fart without someone kicking the back of my chesterfield. Although once in a while I get an elbow in the ribs.


Nobody wants to know what you do in a darkened room in the Philippines.
 
2020-12-08 7:21:22 AM  
Nolan is just mad that his Tenet didn't pay the rent.
 
2020-12-08 7:22:17 AM  

syrynxx: Rhyno45: So basically he's pissed it can be shown on a platform where the spectator can turn the brightness up and the volume down? Or is he saying it's worth it that his movie is the last one they ever see?

Really? Can I turn the brightness up or down, or the volume up or down?  No, Because I don't subscribe to HBO.  Do you think these first-run movies will be free with your $15/mo sub?  No, like Mulan, your sub allows you to pay an additional $22 to watch it.  Or you could arr it for free and f them.


The first run movies going to HBO Max will be free to subscribers.
 
2020-12-08 7:25:06 AM  

Redh8t: Theaters will always have their draw.
But if they want to compete with streaming, they'll have to do better than overpriced popcorn and watered down soda.
The theaters in China, SK, and the Philippines are far better. You can have a bacon cheese burger and fries delivered to your seat, along with a beer. The tray fits into the cup holder, and your drink into the tray. The washrooms have screens showing the film, do you can watch while you piss (opinion valid for male ticket holders) don't know what the ladies washroom looked like.
Bottom line, American theaters and studios need to stop milking their customers for every last drop.

Frankly, I have Netflix and Primetime for Oculus, which offers massive screens and multiple perspectives. Plus I can burp and fart without someone kicking the back of my chesterfield. Although once in a while I get an elbow in the ribs.


You can have a Royale with Cheese and a beer at the movies in America at some theaters, particularly the Alamo Drafthouse.
 
2020-12-08 7:40:59 AM  
I'm watching Dune if I have to peek through my neighbor's window to do it.

HBO Max has some good stuff.  Raised by Wolves was great for 8 episodes, took a bad turn in episode 9, and strapped on the leather jacket and water skis for episode 10.
 
2020-12-08 7:46:21 AM  

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: Nolan is just mad that his Tenet didn't pay the rent.


It was a poorly made gimick movie that cheated, people behaved in ways that they wouldn't just to fool the viewer.
 
2020-12-08 7:47:50 AM  

haknudsen: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: Nolan is just mad that his Tenet didn't pay the rent.

It was a poorly made gimick movie that cheated, people behaved in ways that they wouldn't just to fool the viewer.


Not being an ass, honestly asking, did you go to a theater to see it?
 
2020-12-08 7:50:36 AM  
So, you're pissed that the studio went with a decision that will guarantee more eyeballs on their films, and an equitable split?

If people don't go to the theaters-and the drop is more than a li'l significant as y'all have seen-and you can only hope for some kind of profit from DVD and streaming, after a significant wait because you want to cling to an "experience" that is now dangerous, then streaming IS the way to deliver your film, to the public, directly.

Filmmakers should be embracing this spirit. DIY films can be sent directly to eyeballs without a lot of studio interference. This is your chance to get most punkest, get some freedom, deliver to the people, not the execs.

I am vastly disappointed in Nolan for trying to prop up a system that is physically dangerous to the public, and right now, financial ruinous for filmmakers.
 
2020-12-08 7:53:17 AM  
Oh noes! The poor Hollywood millionaires!

Also how dare people watch movies on streaming services during a global pandemic instead of risking their lives by going to a COVID hotbox cinema!!?

Philistines!!!
 
2020-12-08 7:53:47 AM  
Basically Douche Nolan would rather a company sit on a film till the precious theaters open up again next winter instead of release them online because "it makes no economic sense"

So lets say that we have 20 million people world wide take a month of hbo max to see some of these. That would bring in 300 million as opposed to bringing in 0 by leaving them on the shelf


So the only thing happening here are the death spasms of the entitled hollywood director elite watching their royal palace burn to the ground around them, as should have happened long ago
 
2020-12-08 8:04:14 AM  
"biggest filmmakers and most important movie stars"
I think I see your problem right there.

Artists are ultimately dependent on patronage.
Either you create freely and accept whatever challenges mundane life throws your way*, or you are at the mercy of whoever is paying for your art.
Clearly, Nolan has forgotten this ugly reality.

*Yes, some artists are lucky and acquire a good patron or manager (Dali comes to mind as someone who would have been mumbling on a corner if he hadn't gotten lucky this way).  Some even merit the rewards they enjoy. They are the exception, not the norm.
 
2020-12-08 8:07:49 AM  
The people behind both Dune and Godzilla vs Kong are both suing over self dealing release. Especially since Godzilla vs Kong was offered $200 million to go to Netflix instead. On the other hand I am looking forward to watching them on Hbo Max and is loving the TMC section on Max.
 
2020-12-08 8:12:32 AM  

johncspartan38: The people behind both Dune and Godzilla vs Kong are both suing over self dealing release. Especially since Godzilla vs Kong was offered $200 million to go to Netflix instead. On the other hand I am looking forward to watching them on Hbo Max and is loving the TMC section on Max.


Dont really know that they have much standing to do that. They work for Legendary, who is owned by WB. It would be like the secretary of the CEO of pizza hut suing the CEO of YUM brands for changing the menu
 
2020-12-08 8:15:26 AM  

Jake Havechek: [Fark user image image 425x398]


6.49 for a farking icee?? Jesus Christ man
 
2020-12-08 8:18:53 AM  
This definitely sucks for us that don't have HBO max. I already have prime, netflix, disney plus, sling, and hulu. I'm not getting another streaming service
 
2020-12-08 8:22:49 AM  
When we went to see Black Swan in the theater, all I could hear was Meg Griffin chowing down on Princess Padme. HTH your discussion.
 
2020-12-08 8:39:13 AM  

hubiestubert: So, you're pissed that the studio went with a decision that will guarantee more eyeballs on their films, and an equitable split?

If people don't go to the theaters-and the drop is more than a li'l significant as y'all have seen-and you can only hope for some kind of profit from DVD and streaming, after a significant wait because you want to cling to an "experience" that is now dangerous, then streaming IS the way to deliver your film, to the public, directly.

Filmmakers should be embracing this spirit. DIY films can be sent directly to eyeballs without a lot of studio interference. This is your chance to get most punkest, get some freedom, deliver to the people, not the execs.

I am vastly disappointed in Nolan for trying to prop up a system that is physically dangerous to the public, and right now, financial ruinous for filmmakers.


I'm still vastly disappointed in Nolan for The Dark Knight Rises.

Huge letdown after the first two Batmans.
At least the ludicrous Bane accent has become pretty good fodder for parody.
He wouldn't be as hilarious on Harley Quinn animated without it.

/silver linings
 
2020-12-08 8:39:39 AM  
From the director that chooses to drown out dialogue in his recent films.

"No moar Nolan films"
 
2020-12-08 8:49:51 AM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: When we went to see Black Swan in the theater, all I could hear was Meg Griffin chowing down on Princess Padme. HTH your discussion.


Rule Thirty-Fark tab, then?

The blurb can be, "Fark *Is* Your Personal Erotica Website!"
 
2020-12-08 8:50:46 AM  

Redh8t: The theaters in China, SK, and the Philippines are far better. You can have a bacon cheese burger and fries delivered to your seat, along with a beer. The tray fits into the cup holder, and your drink into the tray.


Have you been to an American movie theater in the last twenty years?  I live in a fairly small city and two of our three theaters have this.
 
2020-12-08 8:52:06 AM  
I cannot recall the last movie I saw in a movie theater that wasn't a marvel movie. Maybe the next to last Star Wars? I know I saw Ponyo (Miyazaki).

I hate movie theaters, honestly. Haven't gone regularly since college, since streaming started becoming a thing. I'd rather watch a mediocre movie in my house than a great movie in a theater.

The only movies I want to see in a theater are big budget action movies, because they're fun to watch on the giant screen. I tried 3D movies, they're not great.

I'm sure I'm not the only one. Basically, suck it up Nolan- the world is changing and either you change with it or you're left behind.
 
2020-12-08 8:55:26 AM  
Hey Nolan, I hear the buggy whip union is recruiting.
 
2020-12-08 8:57:53 AM  
Actually, HBO is kind of mediocre as streaming services go. Their content emphasizes quantity over quality and the user interface is not great, but not awful either.

Hoopla is the worst streaming service. Utter shiat content, impossible navigation, difficult to get an account going on.
 
2020-12-08 8:58:52 AM  
The impact it's going to have on movie budgets is my concern -- obviously if this continues, everything will have to be scaled way back so a profit can still be made off of less revenue.  Wonder what kind of things we'll end up losing special effect-wise, expensive car-chase wise, etc etc.

Not like I'd be caught dead in a movie theater anyway and haven't really gone much pre-pandemic, but I'm thankful for all the people who do and make it possible for theaters to go out and spend $150m on a movie in the first place.
 
2020-12-08 8:59:10 AM  
(studios, not theaters spending $150m .. it's early)
 
2020-12-08 9:10:13 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: This definitely sucks for us that don't have HBO max. I already have prime, netflix, disney plus, sling, and hulu. I'm not getting another streaming service


Wasting thirty a month on Sling?

Well there's your problem right there.  That's just an overpriced "nicotine patch" for cord-cutters.  Had it, then PS Vue for a while after ditching Comcast, but eventually I bit the bullet and freed those resources for my streaming apps and a FireTV stick.

/Been using Pluto for my live tv fix, and it's free.
//And all my subs are still only half of what I used to pay for cable
///Netflix, Hulu-Disney, HBO Max, Prime (includes a Twitch sub I use, too), Funimation-Crunchyroll
 
2020-12-08 9:10:43 AM  

Jake Havechek: [Fark user image 425x398]


That's because the studio gets like 90% of the ticket price for the first several weeks of a film's release, then dropping to around 60%.  It's the only place the theater actually makes any money since most movies are just about out of the theater after 3 weeks anymore.
 
2020-12-08 9:16:17 AM  

Katie98_KT: I cannot recall the last movie I saw in a movie theater that wasn't a marvel movie. Maybe the next to last Star Wars? I know I saw Ponyo (Miyazaki).

I hate movie theaters, honestly. Haven't gone regularly since college, since streaming started becoming a thing. I'd rather watch a mediocre movie in my house than a great movie in a theater.

The only movies I want to see in a theater are big budget action movies, because they're fun to watch on the giant screen. I tried 3D movies, they're not great.

I'm sure I'm not the only one. Basically, suck it up Nolan- the world is changing and either you change with it or you're left behind.


This. I suspect theaters will have to rethink their off-blockbuster season strategy a lot.  We're already putting Oscar bait movies through a perfunctory theater showing and then essentially re-releasing them when the nominations are announced. Why not just put them into streaming during the Spring instead?

I actually like the movie going experience most of the time. Audience reaction in a big blockbuster is great sometimes. I did see 1917 and Dunkirk in theaters along with the Marvel movies but haven't gone to see Tenet yet.
 
2020-12-08 9:17:15 AM  

fusillade762: I just finished reading Michael Caine's "Blowing the Bloody Doors Off".  One of the tidbits he relates is that Nolan told him the only real scenes in "Inception" are the ones Caine is in.  The rest are all dreams and inception fantasies.  I look forward to watching the movie again knowing this.


I was sure you were going to say that all the other scenes were just expository reading from the rulebook: "Inception: Exactly How Dreams Don't Work"
 
2020-12-08 9:17:57 AM  

buntz: haknudsen: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: Nolan is just mad that his Tenet didn't pay the rent.

It was a poorly made gimick movie that cheated, people behaved in ways that they wouldn't just to fool the viewer.

Not being an ass, honestly asking, did you go to a theater to see it?


Yeah, but we went with no one else in the theater. Small town and unpopular showtime. It was a mess that put spectacle far, FAR above coherence.
 
2020-12-08 9:21:54 AM  

Redh8t: Scar4711: his contract probably has points on the grosses,,,, no release... no money. poor thing

This ^ rings true.
Most directors and A-list actors ask for a fraction of a percentage point on the films gross returns in lieu of drastically affecting the films budget with casting.. Considering the studio's habits of "creative accounting", can't really blame them.
In the same token, it's kinda sad...
We're all making sacrifices right now, so suck it up Nolan.


Nolan is also one of only 2 directors who work for Warner Bros where their contracts say that the director gets the final cut of their movie. The other on is Clint Eastwood, and his movies usually cost way less than Nolan's.
 
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