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(Guardian)   You would think that the BBC would be able to pay musicians actual money for a performance on a hit TV show, not offer a free lunch and "exposure" like some cheap club owner   (theguardian.com) divider line
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2020-12-05 10:01:29 AM  
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If you're a creative, and someone offers you "exposure" instead of pay, be glad they showed their true colors up front and walk away.
 
2020-12-05 10:08:23 AM  
You can't pay the bills with exposure. Fark them.
 
2020-12-05 10:10:11 AM  

Private_Citizen: If you're a creative, and someone offers you "exposure" instead of pay, be glad they showed their true colors up front and walk away.


The only potential exception -- in some creative industries -- is at the very beginning, when you sometimes have to work for free to get experience, references, and recordings of you performing. Then, you can start charging and then slowly raise your fees as you get more and more known and established.
 
2020-12-05 10:15:40 AM  

bostonguy: Private_Citizen: If you're a creative, and someone offers you "exposure" instead of pay, be glad they showed their true colors up front and walk away.

The only potential exception -- in some creative industries -- is at the very beginning, when you sometimes have to work for free to get experience, references, and recordings of you performing. Then, you can start charging and then slowly raise your fees as you get more and more known and established.


Even then, you're likely much better off starting with small paying gigs. If you're good enough, people will notice. Those "exposeure" deals are often Way worse than just getting stiffed for your work - most of the time your work becomes the Property of the person offering you "exposure".

It's a cold world, and exposure to cold kills.
 
2020-12-05 10:18:56 AM  
Oh, also -- the same people who tell people to work for "exposure" are those who tell students to get "unpaid internships" that consist of doing real work.

It's just a way to keep the money in the hands of those who already have it. Or for failing companies to try to survive by using slave labor.
 
2020-12-05 10:44:42 AM  
Of course, there is the flip side to this - it's not always the company trying to get free stuff from the starving artist.

How many useless wannabe social influencers want free resort stays, restaurant meals, products from companies in exchange for "exposure"?

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2020-12-05 11:42:08 AM  
"Strictly Come Dancing"?

I want to get paid quite a lot to appear on something named that.
 
2020-12-05 11:54:48 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: "Strictly Come Dancing"?


That's British for "Dancing With the Stars."
 
2020-12-05 1:19:49 PM  

bostonguy: Marcus Aurelius: "Strictly Come Dancing"?

That's British for "Dancing With the Stars."


Yeah, no.  If you are not there to promote an album/tour with fifteen name drops by a drunken interviewer, then cash up front. Even then, aren't there union-ish rules?
 
2020-12-05 1:25:54 PM  
And why not, it worked for Led Zeppelin
 
2020-12-05 1:33:07 PM  
I'll just leave this here : 
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He probably made 3.35/hr minimum wage at the very least for his exposure.
 
2020-12-05 1:48:57 PM  
Gladys Knight performs 'Licence To Kill' - BBC Strictly 2018
Youtube urVee_k2cfQ
 
2020-12-05 1:53:09 PM  
The performer told the Guardian she was tired of musicians being expected to work for free.

Ordinarily I agree but in this case the musician is not particularly bright.
 
2020-12-05 1:55:00 PM  
Wish I could remember the musician. When expected to play free for the exposure, he reminded the club owner "Folks die from exposure, son".
 
2020-12-05 1:56:51 PM  

bostonguy: You can't pay the bills with exposure.


OnlyFans?
 
2020-12-05 2:00:41 PM  
Bryan Ferry - You Can Dance LIVE Strictly 2010
Youtube 8jNMM8r8Hao
 
2020-12-05 2:40:45 PM  

bostonguy: Marcus Aurelius: "Strictly Come Dancing"?

That's British for "Dancing With the Stars."


In my brain I always hear it as "Strictly Cum-Dancing."

/It's a stupid farking name no matter how you spell it
 
2020-12-05 2:56:01 PM  
"I know your industry has been decimated by the pandemic, so are you desperate enough to work for a sandwich?"
 
2020-12-05 3:02:28 PM  
Doesn't everyone who appear on American shows like SNL or The Tonight Show or whatever get paid scale? I mean, I know they typically donate it because it's pocket change but the idea is that no one performs for free unless it is charity. Do they not have unions in the UK?
 
2020-12-05 4:17:11 PM  
The bbc's budget got destroyed, this is what happens.
 
2020-12-05 5:10:26 PM  

Dr.Fey: Of course, there is the flip side to this - it's not always the company trying to get free stuff from the starving artist.

How many useless wannabe social influencers want free resort stays, restaurant meals, products from companies in exchange for "exposure"?

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I work in hotels.  You wouldn't believe.
 
2020-12-05 5:25:52 PM  
Its a cold cruel world. People die of exposure.
 
2020-12-05 5:39:29 PM  
I'm a solo artist. There are some gigs I'd for for free. For instance if Jimmy Kimmel wanted me on his show and offered to pay for my flight and hotel and nothing else, sign me the fark up.
 
2020-12-05 7:21:21 PM  

bostonguy: Private_Citizen: If you're a creative, and someone offers you "exposure" instead of pay, be glad they showed their true colors up front and walk away.

The only potential exception -- in some creative industries -- is at the very beginning, when you sometimes have to work for free to get experience, references, and recordings of you performing. Then, you can start charging and then slowly raise your fees as you get more and more known and established.


I've worked on student films for free. That's exactly what the situation is, it's for experience, networking and showreel material. They kindly bought me lunch and offered to reimburse travel expenses. I know they genuinely couldn't afford any more than that. They're just starting out, too. It's fine. On the downside, students often forget about their actors after the shoot is over and quite commonly never send the final copy for showreel purposes. It's frustrating to have to either chase them down or go without.
 
2020-12-05 7:41:29 PM  

Skeleton Man: I'm a solo artist. There are some gigs I'd for for free. For instance if Jimmy Kimmel wanted me on his show and offered to pay for my flight and hotel and nothing else, sign me the fark up.


I'm not Jimmy Kimmel, but I have... uh... "will" have a Youtube show about "landscape architecture". If you'd like to come down for a month and landscape my yard 12 hours a day, I'll pay for your Greyhound bus ticket and put you up in my tool shed. The exposure will be worth it, I assume.
 
2020-12-05 11:34:59 PM  
"haven't monetised any of our work as it feels unfair to our followers, most of whom are just as hard-up as we are. "

Nice.
 
2020-12-06 12:21:38 AM  

WhippingBoi: Skeleton Man: I'm a solo artist. There are some gigs I'd for for free. For instance if Jimmy Kimmel wanted me on his show and offered to pay for my flight and hotel and nothing else, sign me the fark up.

I'm not Jimmy Kimmel, but I have... uh... "will" have a Youtube show about "landscape architecture". If you'd like to come down for a month and landscape my yard 12 hours a day, I'll pay for your Greyhound bus ticket and put you up in my tool shed. The exposure will be worth it, I assume.


Yeah because three and a half minutes with a microphone is just like 360 hours with gardening tools.
 
2020-12-06 10:59:00 AM  
There's nothing wrong with working for exposure, it's how much you'll actually get, and the value of that.

I've had "exposure" calls from tinpot businesses. And they get laughed at.

But if say, Amazon approached me to do a talk about how I was using Amazon Web Services at a conference and it was in London, I'd probably do it. Because I'd put in 2 or 3 days work, for a conference watched by thousands of people in business, with a link to my company. I'd need 1 or 2 clients wanting me to come in and help them to pay for that time, and I'd have a very good chance of getting that.

Exposure is all around you: the 30 day trial of Netflix, free donuts from a shop when it opens,

And in music, being like this with a show that has 2 million viewers is simply nuts. Ever heard of payola? Generally record companies spend serious money on various sorts of bribery and networking just to get acts on the radio or on shows. It's one of the biggest costs of being in music: getting known. 2 days work now, will boost your followers on social media in a big way. Even if only 1% of the viewers like you, that's 20,000 extra people that you can sell music to, or play gigs for when things open up again.
 
2020-12-06 11:36:19 AM  

funkyeuph: Dr.Fey: Of course, there is the flip side to this - it's not always the company trying to get free stuff from the starving artist.

How many useless wannabe social influencers want free resort stays, restaurant meals, products from companies in exchange for "exposure"?

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I work in hotels.  You wouldn't believe.


I have 149 greenlit links. What can that get me?
 
2020-12-06 12:57:36 PM  

bostonguy: funkyeuph: Dr.Fey: Of course, there is the flip side to this - it's not always the company trying to get free stuff from the starving artist.

How many useless wannabe social influencers want free resort stays, restaurant meals, products from companies in exchange for "exposure"?

[Fark user image 310x163]

I work in hotels.  You wouldn't believe.

I have 149 greenlit links. What can that get me?


A room at rate with a lovely continental breakfast.
 
2020-12-06 1:12:06 PM  

Private_Citizen: A room at rate with a lovely continental breakfast.


I love French food!
 
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