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(Jalopnik)   A Møøse once wrecked my Rav4   (jalopnik.com) divider line
    More: Fail, Toyota, Swedish Moose Test, Hybrid electric vehicle, Four-wheel drive, new Toyota RAV4 Plug, challenging safety tests, Plug-in hybrid, Toyota Prius  
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TWX [TotalFark]
2020-12-05 10:49:10 AM  
A tire should not be that at-risk of dismounting from the wheel that the rim of the wheel could contact the ground in the course of normal driving.
 
2020-12-05 11:52:19 AM  
That's crazy.

And I have a RAV4 hybrid.  Older model but the few times I've had to avoid stuff with quick maneuvering it did OK.  Never felt like it was that out of control.
 
2020-12-05 11:57:53 AM  
Maybe the car is fine and the test is stupid?
 
2020-12-05 12:00:03 PM  
The fastest car on the Swedish moose test is still the Citroen Xantia Activa, in 1999. It beats the  2008 aPorsche 911 GT3 RS and the 2017 McLaren 675LT.

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2020-12-05 12:07:24 PM  
Yorn desh born, der ritt de gitt der gue,
Orn desh, dee born desh, de umn bork! bork! *flip*
 
2020-12-05 12:12:11 PM  

TWX: A tire should not be that at-risk of dismounting from the wheel that the rim of the wheel could contact the ground in the course of normal driving.


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2020-12-05 1:13:10 PM  
Not many moose around here, but the elk get big enough to be a concern even in my van.  Of course, the roads where these critters roam do not have enough space for this stupid evasive maneuver.  You'd end up in a ditch, a creek, a rock wall or with a bunch of barbed wire wrapped up in the drive train.
 
2020-12-05 2:02:55 PM  
Supposedly the SAAB 900 was built to hit the moose and deflect it up and over the roof.
 
2020-12-05 2:13:36 PM  

Sasquach: Maybe the car is fine and the test is stupid?


That was my thought. The car didn't roll over and burst into flames. I suppose an ordinary driver might not fare as well but if a moose (or deer, or boulder, or flaming tire) suddenly manifests in your area of the space-time continuum good luck. Not sure cars need to be engineered for this. If you hit a moose you're gonna have a bad day.
 
2020-12-05 3:01:21 PM  

Any Pie Left: Supposedly the SAAB 900 was built to hit the moose and deflect it up and over the roof.


Never heard of the moose test, but I assumed it was something along those lines... what happens to the passengers when you hit one? Like elk or ostriches, they're tall enough that if you hit one its body is heading straight for the windshield.
 
2020-12-05 3:03:51 PM  
That sounds like a spoken language deliberately crafted to be muddy to listen to and as difficult as possible to speak.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2020-12-05 3:35:42 PM  

LadySusan: Sasquach: Maybe the car is fine and the test is stupid?

That was my thought. The car didn't roll over and burst into flames. I suppose an ordinary driver might not fare as well but if a moose (or deer, or boulder, or flaming tire) suddenly manifests in your area of the space-time continuum good luck. Not sure cars need to be engineered for this. If you hit a moose you're gonna have a bad day.


The test covers just about any avoidance-maneuver where one ends up in the opposing lane and then needs to quickly get back into one's own lane.  Could be another car pulling out of a driveway, a kid running into the street, a cyclist that falls over into the lane, or any of a bunch of other possibilities.
 
2020-12-05 3:46:15 PM  

TWX: A tire should not be that at-risk of dismounting from the wheel that the rim of the wheel could contact the ground in the course of normal driving.


If the problem isn't solely with the wheels and tires I'd say the car fails the test. Otherwise it's an easy fix.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2020-12-05 4:15:20 PM  

Russ1642: TWX: A tire should not be that at-risk of dismounting from the wheel that the rim of the wheel could contact the ground in the course of normal driving.

If the problem isn't solely with the wheels and tires I'd say the car fails the test. Otherwise it's an easy fix.


My guess is it's a weight distribution problem due to the batteries and if it has power at the rear wheels, but the tires threatening to dismount from the wheels doesn't help.

If it's any consolation the Jeep Grand Cherokee some year kept blowing a tire off the wheel on this test too.  But it generally kept point the right direction at least instead of spinning out of control.
 
2020-12-05 6:49:03 PM  
I agree with the tester at the end. Most crossovers drive like SH*T. We have one of those horrible creatures in garage (it's the Missus). I hate the f*cking thing.
 
2020-12-05 9:24:43 PM  
I came up on a moose vs Subaru on I90 west of Missoula once. Fatal for moose and driver. I was an EMT once, so asked if I could help. Second person on the scene was an RN, and just said 'no'.

Their damned legs are so long it almost levers their body right into your windshield.
 
2020-12-05 11:49:46 PM  

Sasquach: Maybe the car is fine and the test is stupid?


haha. Well. Yes. This. Imagine being the guys at Toyota who have spent literally billions trying to make sure that every model of every car sold in the US satisfies the guys at the NHTSA or whatever it is called. You crash your cars over and over again and investigate everything. Even Consumer Reports gives you full marks for a decade or whatever.

And then someone brings up the Moose Test. Yeah. That is the day you flip everyone off, take a crap on the boss' desk and quit.
 
2020-12-06 12:04:13 AM  
I think the Stridsvagn 103 was designed for the Moose Test. It wins.

I own a plug in hybrid that is rather large. It handles really well and accelerates well. Someone was saying that the battery placement on plug ins is awkward or something, but I find the opposite is true. It is low and rearward, and you have the engine and one motor situated up front, so things are balanced and generally low.

Others are saying that there is no way to design for it. Sure. You know, there has to be SOME lower limit of fatalities beyond which we just shrug and move on. Takata, the airbag and seatbelt maker, was destroyed by the possibility of something like 10 deaths over a decade and a half. And yet, 260,000 deaths attributable to COVID19 are barely enough to get rid of a President.

I have an idea. How about everyone drives more slowly, say 60 mph maximum worldwide. That way, we reduce fatalities, reduce emissions, design smaller, lighter vehicles, get better gas mileage, and hit fewer moose.

Yeah. It is kind of like telling people to wear a mask, right?
 
2020-12-06 1:59:04 AM  

LadySusan: That was my thought. The car didn't roll over and burst into flames. I suppose an ordinary driver might not fare as well but if a moose (or deer, or boulder, or flaming tire) suddenly manifests in your area of the space-time continuum good luck. Not sure cars need to be engineered for this. If you hit a moose you're gonna have a bad day.


Yeah, it's not just about avoiding wildlife.  Lots of situations could involve an abrupt turn-- oblivious pedestrians, debris on the highway, etc.

Cars that can make those turns are safer.  It's well worth engineering cars that can handle abrupt swerves.
 
2020-12-06 5:55:28 AM  

knobmaker: LadySusan: That was my thought. The car didn't roll over and burst into flames. I suppose an ordinary driver might not fare as well but if a moose (or deer, or boulder, or flaming tire) suddenly manifests in your area of the space-time continuum good luck. Not sure cars need to be engineered for this. If you hit a moose you're gonna have a bad day.

Yeah, it's not just about avoiding wildlife.  Lots of situations could involve an abrupt turn-- oblivious pedestrians, debris on the highway, etc.

Cars that can make those turns are safer.  It's well worth engineering cars that can handle abrupt swerves.


And the trade off?

A vehicle tuned for what is pretty much autocross /slalom is super twitchy to drive everywhere else.

And that presents a host of other problems....
 
2020-12-06 7:28:15 AM  

natazha: Not many moose around here, but the elk get big enough to be a concern even in my van.  Of course, the roads where these critters roam do not have enough space for this stupid evasive maneuver.  You'd end up in a ditch, a creek, a rock wall or with a bunch of barbed wire wrapped up in the drive train.


I used to go to school at a college in the middle of Utah.  There was a 30 mile stretch of straight road in a valley, vast herds of deer would come down and hang out around on and on the road at night.  Since we were young and stupid we could hit 100 going back to campus after going dancing on Saturday night.  We could have easily tried to pull off that maneuver.
 
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