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2020-12-05 7:03:40 AM  
Dear Blue States:

Stop sending Red States your tax dollars. They want to be bootstrappy, let them.

They can masturbate to OAN, hate on minorities, freak out at abortions, and drive their 40 year old bangers on dirt roads while their children go to crap schools that last had new textbooks in 1985.

I honestly don't care. They want to destroy the country, so I say: you brought this on yourselves, now you get to pay the piper.

Let their infrastructure decay while they concern themselves with who uses which bathroom.

Meanwhile, we can have bullet trains, a green economy, universal health care, and constitutional protections for minorities and a woman's right to choose.

F*ck em. Let em die.
 
2020-12-05 7:37:15 AM  
I am a life-long card-carrying bleeding-heart, Trump-hating, socialist lib, and I have to say...

...the Democratic party needs to figure out how to get reach out the people who live in those states. Yes, the Republican party is truly awful, and it deliberately foments division, resentment, racial tension, and "culture war" politics. But it does so to distract people from their very legitimate grievances and gives them a false narrative of oppression that is hugely appealing.

But if you spend enough time in rural America to get past the "bitterly clinging to their guns and religion" stereotype, they have a lot to be bitter about. Their housing is crap, their schools are terrible, access to healthcare is poor and ill health is endemic, they are exploited by employers from mining companies to Wal-Mart that leave their workers dependent on welfare either because they wrecked their health or because they pay so badly. And they have their very own addiction crises, of course.

The problem is that the Republican party has done a really good job of stoking their resentments (obviously, without doing anything about them) and them to blame the wrong people for the wrong things. The Democrats need to figure out a narrative of their own to reach those people - and it's not "equality of opportunity" or anything like it. These people don't want more chances to go to college and move away; they want a better life after they graduate high school and stay where they are.
 
2020-12-05 7:45:26 AM  

HugeMistake: I am a life-long card-carrying bleeding-heart, Trump-hating, socialist lib, and I have to say...

...the Democratic party needs to figure out how to get reach out the people who live in those states. Yes, the Republican party is truly awful, and it deliberately foments division, resentment, racial tension, and "culture war" politics. But it does so to distract people from their very legitimate grievances and gives them a false narrative of oppression that is hugely appealing.

But if you spend enough time in rural America to get past the "bitterly clinging to their guns and religion" stereotype, they have a lot to be bitter about. Their housing is crap, their schools are terrible, access to healthcare is poor and ill health is endemic, they are exploited by employers from mining companies to Wal-Mart that leave their workers dependent on welfare either because they wrecked their health or because they pay so badly. And they have their very own addiction crises, of course.

The problem is that the Republican party has done a really good job of stoking their resentments (obviously, without doing anything about them) and them to blame the wrong people for the wrong things. The Democrats need to figure out a narrative of their own to reach those people - and it's not "equality of opportunity" or anything like it. These people don't want more chances to go to college and move away; they want a better life after they graduate high school and stay where they are.


Awesome, bro.

Read this and tell us how you think they should proceed.

https://forsetti.tumblr.com/post/1531​8​1757500/on-rural-america-understanding​-isnt-the-problem
 
2020-12-05 8:22:10 AM  

HugeMistake: the Democratic party needs to figure out how to get reach out the people who live in those states


FOX News is stoking the seething hatred of millions of ignorant yokels on a daily basis.  Reach out to that, and you're liable to lose a finger.
 
2020-12-05 8:40:57 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Read this and tell us how you think they should proceed.


We need to build a wall.  Around Montana, Idaho, the Dakotas, maybe Nebraska....
 
2020-12-05 10:16:40 AM  
please let one be kentucky, please let one be kentucky,.....damn!
 
2020-12-05 10:20:41 AM  
Tax cuts for the rich defunded America.
 
2020-12-05 10:21:28 AM  

HugeMistake: I am a life-long card-carrying bleeding-heart, Trump-hating, socialist lib, and I have to say...

...the Democratic party needs to figure out how to get reach out the people who live in those states. Yes, the Republican party is truly awful, and it deliberately foments division, resentment, racial tension, and "culture war" politics. But it does so to distract people from their very legitimate grievances and gives them a false narrative of oppression that is hugely appealing.

But if you spend enough time in rural America to get past the "bitterly clinging to their guns and religion" stereotype, they have a lot to be bitter about. Their housing is crap, their schools are terrible, access to healthcare is poor and ill health is endemic, they are exploited by employers from mining companies to Wal-Mart that leave their workers dependent on welfare either because they wrecked their health or because they pay so badly. And they have their very own addiction crises, of course.

The problem is that the Republican party has done a really good job of stoking their resentments (obviously, without doing anything about them) and them to blame the wrong people for the wrong things. The Democrats need to figure out a narrative of their own to reach those people - and it's not "equality of opportunity" or anything like it. These people don't want more chances to go to college and move away; they want a better life after they graduate high school and stay where they are.


Nope. Let 'em burn. Walk away.
 
2020-12-05 10:25:23 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Dear Blue States:

Stop sending Red States your tax dollars. They want to be bootstrappy, let them.

They can masturbate to OAN, hate on minorities, freak out at abortions, and drive their 40 year old bangers on dirt roads while their children go to crap schools that last had new textbooks in 1985.

I honestly don't care. They want to destroy the country, so I say: you brought this on yourselves, now you get to pay the piper.

Let their infrastructure decay while they concern themselves with who uses which bathroom.

Meanwhile, we can have bullet trains, a green economy, universal health care, and constitutional protections for minorities and a woman's right to choose.

F*ck em. Let em die.


y'all know they're armed, right.

yes, I am aware some Liberals or Progressives are too, but that's not the point.

The point is city-states have *never* done very well when assaulted by organized armies coming in from the country.  History is full of examples of what can happen.

I'd prefer we figured a way out for these dipsh*t inbred willing losers in the modern economy to somehow not starve, so that they don't turn on us and attack.  It's definitely in our better interest to prevent that.

As delightful as your revenge-LARP is do you really think St. Bernard would approve?
 
2020-12-05 10:25:30 AM  

HugeMistake: I am a life-long card-carrying bleeding-heart, Trump-hating, socialist lib, and I have to say...

...the Democratic party needs to figure out how to get reach out the people who live in those states. Yes, the Republican party is truly awful, and it deliberately foments division, resentment, racial tension, and "culture war" politics. But it does so to distract people from their very legitimate grievances and gives them a false narrative of oppression that is hugely appealing.

But if you spend enough time in rural America to get past the "bitterly clinging to their guns and religion" stereotype, they have a lot to be bitter about. Their housing is crap, their schools are terrible, access to healthcare is poor and ill health is endemic, they are exploited by employers from mining companies to Wal-Mart that leave their workers dependent on welfare either because they wrecked their health or because they pay so badly. And they have their very own addiction crises, of course.

The problem is that the Republican party has done a really good job of stoking their resentments (obviously, without doing anything about them) and them to blame the wrong people for the wrong things. The Democrats need to figure out a narrative of their own to reach those people - and it's not "equality of opportunity" or anything like it. These people don't want more chances to go to college and move away; they want a better life after they graduate high school and stay where they are.


they don't want hand outs, they just think they deserve things that their capitalist utopia says it isn't economically feasible

let them eat bootstraps
 
2020-12-05 10:27:40 AM  
Republicans in Congress don't care.  They know those will be red states forever.
 
2020-12-05 10:27:55 AM  
Everytime we try to help these people they threaten an armed rebellion. ('Here, have some healthcare.' 'BUT MUH FREEEEEDUMBZ!!!')

They say 'the Lord helps those who help themselves'.

It might just be time to wall these states off and let them marinate in the glory of their loving God a while.

Anyone who survives, learns the error of their way and passes a covid test is welcome to come join us in our liberal hell-holes.

We have cookies.
 
2020-12-05 10:28:31 AM  

HugeMistake: I am a life-long card-carrying bleeding-heart, Trump-hating, socialist lib, and I have to say...

...the Democratic party needs to figure out how to get reach out the people who live in those states. Yes, the Republican party is truly awful, and it deliberately foments division, resentment, racial tension, and "culture war" politics. But it does so to distract people from their very legitimate grievances and gives them a false narrative of oppression that is hugely appealing.

But if you spend enough time in rural America to get past the "bitterly clinging to their guns and religion" stereotype, they have a lot to be bitter about. Their housing is crap, their schools are terrible, access to healthcare is poor and ill health is endemic, they are exploited by employers from mining companies to Wal-Mart that leave their workers dependent on welfare either because they wrecked their health or because they pay so badly. And they have their very own addiction crises, of course.

The problem is that the Republican party has done a really good job of stoking their resentments (obviously, without doing anything about them) and them to blame the wrong people for the wrong things. The Democrats need to figure out a narrative of their own to reach those people - and it's not "equality of opportunity" or anything like it. These people don't want more chances to go to college and move away; they want a better life after they graduate high school and stay where they are.


It's not a matter of reaching out.  A lot of these people are raised on the idea that "Democrats are literal evil".  It's the exact same process of generational racism, except blatant racism is prevented from being reinforced on TV while political extremism is encouraged for the sake of ratings (and yes, sometimes those things go hand-in-hand).
 
2020-12-05 10:28:32 AM  
Right-wingers had already crashed Alaska's economy before the pandemic.  Our governor lied through his teeth to get elected, and then proceeded to do the opposite of what he promised.
 
2020-12-05 10:29:02 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: HugeMistake: I am a life-long card-carrying bleeding-heart, Trump-hating, socialist lib, and I have to say...

...the Democratic party needs to figure out how to get reach out the people who live in those states. Yes, the Republican party is truly awful, and it deliberately foments division, resentment, racial tension, and "culture war" politics. But it does so to distract people from their very legitimate grievances and gives them a false narrative of oppression that is hugely appealing.

But if you spend enough time in rural America to get past the "bitterly clinging to their guns and religion" stereotype, they have a lot to be bitter about. Their housing is crap, their schools are terrible, access to healthcare is poor and ill health is endemic, they are exploited by employers from mining companies to Wal-Mart that leave their workers dependent on welfare either because they wrecked their health or because they pay so badly. And they have their very own addiction crises, of course.

The problem is that the Republican party has done a really good job of stoking their resentments (obviously, without doing anything about them) and them to blame the wrong people for the wrong things. The Democrats need to figure out a narrative of their own to reach those people - and it's not "equality of opportunity" or anything like it. These people don't want more chances to go to college and move away; they want a better life after they graduate high school and stay where they are.

Awesome, bro.

Read this and tell us how you think they should proceed.

https://forsetti.tumblr.com/post/15318​1757500/on-rural-america-understanding​-isnt-the-problem


That was a good read.
Thank you.
 
2020-12-05 10:32:43 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Dear Blue States:

Stop sending Red States your tax dollars. They want to be bootstrappy, let them.

They can masturbate to OAN, hate on minorities, freak out at abortions, and drive their 40 year old bangers on dirt roads while their children go to crap schools that last had new textbooks in 1985.

I honestly don't care. They want to destroy the country, so I say: you brought this on yourselves, now you get to pay the piper.

Let their infrastructure decay while they concern themselves with who uses which bathroom.

Meanwhile, we can have bullet trains, a green economy, universal health care, and constitutional protections for minorities and a woman's right to choose.

F*ck em. Let em die.


Unfortunately, they have the political influence necessary to assure that the gravy train keeps running.
 
2020-12-05 10:34:15 AM  
Feel bad for blue voters in red states.
Resent red voters in blue states.

My life is better where I am and I benefit from red state failure and ignorance and I always have.
 
2020-12-05 10:35:11 AM  
The shiat Red States need to find those alleged bootstraps.
 
2020-12-05 10:36:01 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Dear Blue States:

Stop sending Red States your tax dollars. They want to be bootstrappy, let them.

They can masturbate to OAN, hate on minorities, freak out at abortions, and drive their 40 year old bangers on dirt roads while their children go to crap schools that last had new textbooks in 1985.

I honestly don't care. They want to destroy the country, so I say: you brought this on yourselves, now you get to pay the piper.

Let their infrastructure decay while they concern themselves with who uses which bathroom.

Meanwhile, we can have bullet trains, a green economy, universal health care, and constitutional protections for minorities and a woman's right to choose.

F*ck em. Let em die.


As a matter of point I would send education dollars and expand Internet infrastructure as part of that. I want their children to understand their parents mistakes. But otherwise I'm with you.
 
2020-12-05 10:39:03 AM  
Huh. I agree with Senate republicans on something. Weird.
 
2020-12-05 10:40:11 AM  
A simple but radical solution for all of this bullshiat is to constitutionally ban political parties. Face folks, political parties have turned Murica into a country of sneetches.....


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2020-12-05 10:41:36 AM  

HugeMistake: I am a life-long card-carrying bleeding-heart, Trump-hating, socialist lib, and I have to say...

...the Democratic party needs to figure out how to get reach out the people who live in those states. Yes, the Republican party is truly awful, and it deliberately foments division, resentment, racial tension, and "culture war" politics. But it does so to distract people from their very legitimate grievances and gives them a false narrative of oppression that is hugely appealing.

But if you spend enough time in rural America to get past the "bitterly clinging to their guns and religion" stereotype, they have a lot to be bitter about. Their housing is crap, their schools are terrible, access to healthcare is poor and ill health is endemic, they are exploited by employers from mining companies to Wal-Mart that leave their workers dependent on welfare either because they wrecked their health or because they pay so badly. And they have their very own addiction crises, of course.

The problem is that the Republican party has done a really good job of stoking their resentments (obviously, without doing anything about them) and them to blame the wrong people for the wrong things. The Democrats need to figure out a narrative of their own to reach those people - and it's not "equality of opportunity" or anything like it. These people don't want more chances to go to college and move away; they want a better life after they graduate high school and stay where they are.


I wish I could agree. In my experience growing up in rural America, the public chose to wage a culture war rather than focus on effective policy. It was generally accepted that the advances in the quality of life in rural America (electrification, improved medical facilities, transportation infrastructure, etc.) during the post-Depression years was the result of Democratic policies - and the Democrats absolutely owned rural America. And it remained that way right up to the enactment of the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act. I remember how outraged everyone in my little Idaho town was outraged by school integration and busing - as if they might actually import black people into Idaho! It would be an easy matter for Democrats to once again dominate the discussion about policy, economics, infrastructure, and so forth, but for the Republican strategy of keeping the discussion focused on guns, abortion, and Jesus.
 
2020-12-05 10:42:33 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Dear Blue States:

Stop sending Red States your tax dollars. They want to be bootstrappy, let them.


1) That's not how this works.

2) The goal needs to be rebuild trust in the government. Helping people without strings helps build trust

3) That is a Trump type argument. 'Why should we help people who are not us!"
 
2020-12-05 10:42:47 AM  

SoFlaNative52: A simple but radical solution for all of this bullshiat is to constitutionally ban political parties. Face folks, political parties have turned Murica into a country of sneetches.....
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What would the text of this amendment look like
 
2020-12-05 10:43:34 AM  
> But if you spend enough time in rural America to get past the "bitterly clinging to their guns and religion" stereotype, they have a lot to be bitter about. Their housing is crap, their schools are terrible, access to healthcare is poor and ill health is endemic, they are exploited by employers from mining companies to Wal-Mart that leave their workers dependent on welfare either because they wrecked their health or because they pay so badly. And they have their very own addiction crises, of course.

Nah, fark em. They have voted for policies that have worsened their situation since forever. At this point they are in a bed of their making and I can only assume they want crap house and Ill health and terrible schools and to be exploited by their employers. It's what they've voted for over and over and they've fought tooth and nail for it.
 
2020-12-05 10:44:25 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Read this and tell us how you think they should proceed.

We need to build a wall.  Around Montana, Idaho, the Dakotas, maybe Nebraska....


I don't have to go to Idaho to find the darkness - if I drive 45 minutes out of Seattle, I'm in foreign territory. Your idea would only work if each urban area was a walled enclave, protected from the rural surroundings. Unfortunately, that would create its own problems.
 
2020-12-05 10:44:41 AM  
This is a feature, not a bug.

The worse the lives of people in red states are, the more easily they can be manipulated into hating and blaming others for it.

They'll be living in cardboard shacks in Trumpvilles, illiterate and diseased, and Fox News and OANN will make sure they think that it's all the fault of liberals and Democrats.

"...and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the potatoes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the mashing."
― John Steinbeck, The Grapes of Wrath (approximately)
 
2020-12-05 10:48:25 AM  

SoFlaNative52: A simple but radical solution for all of this bullshiat is to constitutionally ban political parties. Face folks, political parties have turned Murica into a country of sneetches.....
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People assemble into cliques of like-minded others whether we call them political parties or something different. Your suggestion is unconstitutional (violates freedom of assembly), but worse still, it is on a practical level completely impossible.
 
2020-12-05 10:50:43 AM  
Generation_D:

y'all know they're armed, right.

yes, I am aware some Liberals or Progressives are too, but that's not the point.

The point is city-states have *never* done very well when assaulted by organized armies coming in from the country.  History is full of examples of what can happen.

I'd prefer we figured a way out for these dipsh*t inbred willing losers in the modern economy to somehow not starve, so that they don't turn on us and attack.  It's definitely in our better interest to prevent that.

As delightful as your revenge-LARP is do you really think St. Bernard would approve?


Organized?  You think these backwoods morons are organized?  They'd get their asses handed to them if they came into the cities looking for a fight.  I live in Northern Michigan and have to deal with the gravy seals at times.  They are not organized at all.
 
2020-12-05 10:52:19 AM  

Generation_D: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Dear Blue States:

Stop sending Red States your tax dollars. They want to be bootstrappy, let them.

They can masturbate to OAN, hate on minorities, freak out at abortions, and drive their 40 year old bangers on dirt roads while their children go to crap schools that last had new textbooks in 1985.

I honestly don't care. They want to destroy the country, so I say: you brought this on yourselves, now you get to pay the piper.

Let their infrastructure decay while they concern themselves with who uses which bathroom.

Meanwhile, we can have bullet trains, a green economy, universal health care, and constitutional protections for minorities and a woman's right to choose.

F*ck em. Let em die.

y'all know they're armed, right.

yes, I am aware some Liberals or Progressives are too, but that's not the point.

The point is city-states have *never* done very well when assaulted by organized armies coming in from the country.  History is full of examples of what can happen.

I'd prefer we figured a way out for these dipsh*t inbred willing losers in the modern economy to somehow not starve, so that they don't turn on us and attack.  It's definitely in our better interest to prevent that.

As delightful as your revenge-LARP is do you really think St. Bernard would approve?


The rural people aren't going to invade the cities in meaningful numbers. They freak out when they see traffic. Just tailgate them or something and they'll pull over and surrender.
 
2020-12-05 10:53:33 AM  
It's a wildfire now, and not the stupid song.   I doubt if the pathogen is worried about state or county borders now.  Assume an airborne plague now, courtesy of the GOP.
 
2020-12-05 10:58:51 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Read this and tell us how you think they should proceed.

We need to build a wall.  Around Montana, Idaho, the Dakotas, maybe Nebraska....


Just let me get out first. I've only been in Montana for 2 years.


/lookin at VT/NH/ME
 
2020-12-05 11:06:30 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Dear Blue States:

Stop sending Red States your tax dollars. They want to be bootstrappy, let them.

They can masturbate to OAN, hate on minorities, freak out at abortions, and drive their 40 year old bangers on dirt roads while their children go to crap schools that last had new textbooks in 1985.

I honestly don't care. They want to destroy the country, so I say: you brought this on yourselves, now you get to pay the piper.

Let their infrastructure decay while they concern themselves with who uses which bathroom.

Meanwhile, we can have bullet trains, a green economy, universal health care, and constitutional protections for minorities and a woman's right to choose.

F*ck em. Let em die.


Democrats in red states are likely the ones that will suffer the most from the austerity measures that will follow.
 
2020-12-05 11:13:21 AM  
(Future cast Sept. 18, 2021, Hannity Hour on Trump Network): "If Biden hadn't let this virus run completely unchecked through our county we would be in an unprecedented prosperores time -- just look at how good the stock market was under The Great and Exalted President-For-Life Trump!!1!"
 
2020-12-05 11:13:48 AM  
The problem is that ted staters do not realize how bad their lives are compared to the rest of the country, and they do not understand how much better they could be.

Most common argument I hear from them is "if life is so good in liberal states than how come wveryone is fleeing California and coming here."

Supposedly are little rural areas are just filling to the brim with folk running away from California.  Hell everyone claims they know people, and the first thing they told them was how happy they were to be out of California.  I have yet to see these massive hoards of transplanted  Californians, and those few I do left because of brush fires or because they are heasing up some project for their company, and most of tgem do not understand how we could be so backwards.

And then these mysterious Californians and other Blue staters are supposedly the reason are states are shifting blue.  You even see signs, "Don't California my Tennessee" because for some reason those blue staters that do come here can't seem to grasp how much better everything is here with the reduction of services and infrastructure.

All they know is that housing, taxes, and groceries are way too expensive in liberal cities, not realizing that is often the result of federal rules and laws they foisted on the blue states and left over effects from when those states were red.
 
2020-12-05 11:22:27 AM  

dumbobruni: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Dear Blue States:

Stop sending Red States your tax dollars. They want to be bootstrappy, let them.

They can masturbate to OAN, hate on minorities, freak out at abortions, and drive their 40 year old bangers on dirt roads while their children go to crap schools that last had new textbooks in 1985.

I honestly don't care. They want to destroy the country, so I say: you brought this on yourselves, now you get to pay the piper.

Let their infrastructure decay while they concern themselves with who uses which bathroom.

Meanwhile, we can have bullet trains, a green economy, universal health care, and constitutional protections for minorities and a woman's right to choose.

F*ck em. Let em die.

Democrats in red states are likely the ones that will suffer the most from the austerity measures that will follow.


I don't care anymore. The Republican Party no longer lives in objective reality. They deny science, election results, basic medical facts...working with them, coddling them, thinking that they're a legitimate party of any sort is only going to lead ultimately to the fall of our Republic. I feel for the sane people in red states, but I feel for the population of North Korea too...it doesn't mean I think we should allow the Kim family legitimacy for the sake of that population.
 
2020-12-05 11:27:29 AM  

HugeMistake: I am a life-long card-carrying bleeding-heart, Trump-hating, socialist lib, and I have to say...

...the Democratic party needs to figure out how to get reach out the people who live in those states. Yes, the Republican party is truly awful, and it deliberately foments division, resentment, racial tension, and "culture war" politics. But it does so to distract people from their very legitimate grievances and gives them a false narrative of oppression that is hugely appealing.

But if you spend enough time in rural America to get past the "bitterly clinging to their guns and religion" stereotype, they have a lot to be bitter about. Their housing is crap, their schools are terrible, access to healthcare is poor and ill health is endemic, they are exploited by employers from mining companies to Wal-Mart that leave their workers dependent on welfare either because they wrecked their health or because they pay so badly. And they have their very own addiction crises, of course.

The problem is that the Republican party has done a really good job of stoking their resentments (obviously, without doing anything about them) and them to blame the wrong people for the wrong things. The Democrats need to figure out a narrative of their own to reach those people - and it's not "equality of opportunity" or anything like it. These people don't want more chances to go to college and move away; they want a better life after they graduate high school and stay where they are.


So they refuse to adapt to the world they live in, a world they have been literally voting for for decades, and they want the world to adapt to them to give them handouts so they can sustain an obsolete lifestyle, but those handouts must not be called handouts.

How about they instead try to understand reality instead of demanding everyone else coddle and subsidise them?
 
2020-12-05 11:28:33 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Dear Blue States:

Stop sending Red States your tax dollars. They want to be bootstrappy, let them.

They can masturbate to OAN, hate on minorities, freak out at abortions, and drive their 40 year old bangers on dirt roads while their children go to crap schools that last had new textbooks in 1985.

I honestly don't care. They want to destroy the country, so I say: you brought this on yourselves, now you get to pay the piper.

Let their infrastructure decay while they concern themselves with who uses which bathroom.

Meanwhile, we can have bullet trains, a green economy, universal health care, and constitutional protections for minorities and a woman's right to choose.

F*ck em. Let em die.


You know, even after this pandemic is over, you should continue to stay inside and avoid contact with others.  Someone might intervene and have you committed.
 
2020-12-05 11:28:44 AM  

Generation_D: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Dear Blue States:

Stop sending Red States your tax dollars. They want to be bootstrappy, let them.

They can masturbate to OAN, hate on minorities, freak out at abortions, and drive their 40 year old bangers on dirt roads while their children go to crap schools that last had new textbooks in 1985.

I honestly don't care. They want to destroy the country, so I say: you brought this on yourselves, now you get to pay the piper.

Let their infrastructure decay while they concern themselves with who uses which bathroom.

Meanwhile, we can have bullet trains, a green economy, universal health care, and constitutional protections for minorities and a woman's right to choose.

F*ck em. Let em die.

y'all know they're armed, right.

yes, I am aware some Liberals or Progressives are too, but that's not the point.

The point is city-states have *never* done very well when assaulted by organized armies coming in from the country.  History is full of examples of what can happen.

I'd prefer we figured a way out for these dipsh*t inbred willing losers in the modern economy to somehow not starve, so that they don't turn on us and attack.  It's definitely in our better interest to prevent that.

As delightful as your revenge-LARP is do you really think St. Bernard would approve?


So, when they start to starve they can eat their bullets. Problem solved.
 
2020-12-05 11:30:12 AM  

HugeMistake: I am a life-long card-carrying bleeding-heart, Trump-hating, socialist lib, and I have to say...

...the Democratic party needs to figure out how to get reach out the people who live in those states. Yes, the Republican party is truly awful, and it deliberately foments division, resentment, racial tension, and "culture war" politics. But it does so to distract people from their very legitimate grievances and gives them a false narrative of oppression that is hugely appealing.

But if you spend enough time in rural America to get past the "bitterly clinging to their guns and religion" stereotype, they have a lot to be bitter about. Their housing is crap, their schools are terrible, access to healthcare is poor and ill health is endemic, they are exploited by employers from mining companies to Wal-Mart that leave their workers dependent on welfare either because they wrecked their health or because they pay so badly. And they have their very own addiction crises, of course.

The problem is that the Republican party has done a really good job of stoking their resentments (obviously, without doing anything about them) and them to blame the wrong people for the wrong things. The Democrats need to figure out a narrative of their own to reach those people - and it's not "equality of opportunity" or anything like it. These people don't want more chances to go to college and move away; they want a better life after they graduate high school and stay where they are.


Except every attempt to help them results in them spitting right in your face. They've become addicted to their misery and suffering because the alternative would involve change and they won't.

They live on fear and hatred and you can't save people from that.
 
2020-12-05 11:31:19 AM  

Generation_D: organized


We're talking about meal team 6 here.

That word doesn't work in that context.

Demonstrations in DC should tell you who is and who isn't organized.  Right wing has 5000 show up and they talk about how successful it was.  The left has a rally on some topic and they get 50k and say it was poorly attended.  Well attended ones actually do hit 1 million.  One is organized, the other isn't, and I'll let you figure out which is which.
 
2020-12-05 11:31:50 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Dear Blue States:

Stop sending Red States your tax dollars. They want to be bootstrappy, let them.

They can masturbate to OAN, hate on minorities, freak out at abortions, and drive their 40 year old bangers on dirt roads while their children go to crap schools that last had new textbooks in 1985.

I honestly don't care. They want to destroy the country, so I say: you brought this on yourselves, now you get to pay the piper.

Let their infrastructure decay while they concern themselves with who uses which bathroom.

Meanwhile, we can have bullet trains, a green economy, universal health care, and constitutional protections for minorities and a woman's right to choose.

F*ck em. Let em die.

As a matter of point I would send education dollars and expand Internet infrastructure as part of that. I want their children to understand their parents mistakes. But otherwise I'm with you.


Alternatively, we could stick with the education part and not help give them the single most powerful tool right wing fascists have at their disposal for increasing their numbers.

No internet until we collectively get our shiat together and regulate it for disinformation.
 
2020-12-05 11:32:25 AM  

Lord Dimwit: dumbobruni: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Dear Blue States:

Stop sending Red States your tax dollars. They want to be bootstrappy, let them.

They can masturbate to OAN, hate on minorities, freak out at abortions, and drive their 40 year old bangers on dirt roads while their children go to crap schools that last had new textbooks in 1985.

I honestly don't care. They want to destroy the country, so I say: you brought this on yourselves, now you get to pay the piper.

Let their infrastructure decay while they concern themselves with who uses which bathroom.

Meanwhile, we can have bullet trains, a green economy, universal health care, and constitutional protections for minorities and a woman's right to choose.

F*ck em. Let em die.

Democrats in red states are likely the ones that will suffer the most from the austerity measures that will follow.

I don't care anymore. The Republican Party no longer lives in objective reality. They deny science, election results, basic medical facts...working with them, coddling them, thinking that they're a legitimate party of any sort is only going to lead ultimately to the fall of our Republic. I feel for the sane people in red states, but I feel for the population of North Korea too...it doesn't mean I think we should allow the Kim family legitimacy for the sake of that population.


So Fark you, I've got mine.

You sound like those you claim to hate so much. Funny how that works.
 
2020-12-05 11:33:03 AM  

dumbobruni: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Dear Blue States:

Stop sending Red States your tax dollars. They want to be bootstrappy, let them.

They can masturbate to OAN, hate on minorities, freak out at abortions, and drive their 40 year old bangers on dirt roads while their children go to crap schools that last had new textbooks in 1985.

I honestly don't care. They want to destroy the country, so I say: you brought this on yourselves, now you get to pay the piper.

Let their infrastructure decay while they concern themselves with who uses which bathroom.

Meanwhile, we can have bullet trains, a green economy, universal health care, and constitutional protections for minorities and a woman's right to choose.

F*ck em. Let em die.

Democrats in red states are likely the ones that will suffer the most from the austerity measures that will follow.


I hear uhaul rents trucks.
 
2020-12-05 11:34:20 AM  

floor: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Dear Blue States:

Stop sending Red States your tax dollars. They want to be bootstrappy, let them.

1) That's not how this works.

2) The goal needs to be rebuild trust in the government. Helping people without strings helps build trust

3) That is a Trump type argument. 'Why should we help people who are not us!"


You seem to have missed the part where they've been getting handouts for years and that has failed to build trust or make them less shiatty people.
 
2020-12-05 11:36:51 AM  

dumbobruni: Lord Dimwit: dumbobruni: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Dear Blue States:

Stop sending Red States your tax dollars. They want to be bootstrappy, let them.

They can masturbate to OAN, hate on minorities, freak out at abortions, and drive their 40 year old bangers on dirt roads while their children go to crap schools that last had new textbooks in 1985.

I honestly don't care. They want to destroy the country, so I say: you brought this on yourselves, now you get to pay the piper.

Let their infrastructure decay while they concern themselves with who uses which bathroom.

Meanwhile, we can have bullet trains, a green economy, universal health care, and constitutional protections for minorities and a woman's right to choose.

F*ck em. Let em die.

Democrats in red states are likely the ones that will suffer the most from the austerity measures that will follow.

I don't care anymore. The Republican Party no longer lives in objective reality. They deny science, election results, basic medical facts...working with them, coddling them, thinking that they're a legitimate party of any sort is only going to lead ultimately to the fall of our Republic. I feel for the sane people in red states, but I feel for the population of North Korea too...it doesn't mean I think we should allow the Kim family legitimacy for the sake of that population.

So Fark you, I've got mine.

You sound like those you claim to hate so much. Funny how that works.


It's not "fark you I've got mine." Its "I've tried for decades to help you and you tell me I'm a sinner and a liar and a traitor and you won't even wear a mask during a pandemic."
 
2020-12-05 11:37:11 AM  

davidv: HugeMistake: I am a life-long card-carrying bleeding-heart, Trump-hating, socialist lib, and I have to say...

...the Democratic party needs to figure out how to get reach out the people who live in those states. Yes, the Republican party is truly awful, and it deliberately foments division, resentment, racial tension, and "culture war" politics. But it does so to distract people from their very legitimate grievances and gives them a false narrative of oppression that is hugely appealing.

But if you spend enough time in rural America to get past the "bitterly clinging to their guns and religion" stereotype, they have a lot to be bitter about. Their housing is crap, their schools are terrible, access to healthcare is poor and ill health is endemic, they are exploited by employers from mining companies to Wal-Mart that leave their workers dependent on welfare either because they wrecked their health or because they pay so badly. And they have their very own addiction crises, of course.

The problem is that the Republican party has done a really good job of stoking their resentments (obviously, without doing anything about them) and them to blame the wrong people for the wrong things. The Democrats need to figure out a narrative of their own to reach those people - and it's not "equality of opportunity" or anything like it. These people don't want more chances to go to college and move away; they want a better life after they graduate high school and stay where they are.

Except every attempt to help them results in them spitting right in your face. They've become addicted to their misery and suffering because the alternative would involve change and they won't.

They live on fear and hatred and you can't save people from that.


I'm a liberal in a red state (Texas). I'm in the top 2% financially, I'm white and well educated. I'm tired of caring about the idiots that do nothing but hate. As the economic crisis gets worse I'll make sure to take care of my family and anyone that works for/with me. Anyone else can go fark themselves. I hope they starve trying to live on their hate.
 
2020-12-05 11:42:31 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: HugeMistake: I am a life-long card-carrying bleeding-heart, Trump-hating, socialist lib, and I have to say...

...the Democratic party needs to figure out how to get reach out the people who live in those states. Yes, the Republican party is truly awful, and it deliberately foments division, resentment, racial tension, and "culture war" politics. But it does so to distract people from their very legitimate grievances and gives them a false narrative of oppression that is hugely appealing.

But if you spend enough time in rural America to get past the "bitterly clinging to their guns and religion" stereotype, they have a lot to be bitter about. Their housing is crap, their schools are terrible, access to healthcare is poor and ill health is endemic, they are exploited by employers from mining companies to Wal-Mart that leave their workers dependent on welfare either because they wrecked their health or because they pay so badly. And they have their very own addiction crises, of course.

The problem is that the Republican party has done a really good job of stoking their resentments (obviously, without doing anything about them) and them to blame the wrong people for the wrong things. The Democrats need to figure out a narrative of their own to reach those people - and it's not "equality of opportunity" or anything like it. These people don't want more chances to go to college and move away; they want a better life after they graduate high school and stay where they are.

Awesome, bro.

Read this and tell us how you think they should proceed.

https://forsetti.tumblr.com/post/15318​1757500/on-rural-america-understanding​-isnt-the-problem


I've lived in Chicago and "Bloody" Williamson County, Illinois, historically one of the state's most economically depressed rural areas, and while the Tumblr article highlights the problem of fundamentalists in the heartland, it ignores the rural divide between true believers and xmas and easter Christians. There are a lot of non fundamentalist Christians in the rural areas that have to work around their dogmatic neighbors. For every rural teenager that follows the fundamentalist route, there is a rural teenager who rebels. Democratic Populism used to dominate the rural area. If the Democrats were actually the party of Labor, instead of the party of Capitol pretending to be pro-labor, they could dominate the rural areas. People think all rural voters are self-employed farmers, but the reality is most of the people work in factories, mines, or retail stores who would all benefit from strong unions.
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I mentioned "Bloody" Williamson County earlier. In the 1920's coal miners in the region were so pro-union that they successfully maintained a strike for over a year. Then a local strip mine owner decided to hire scabs and strikebreaker goons armed with machine guns, and defy the strike. Striking union miners surrounded the mine and took potshots with deer rifles at anything that moved overnight, and when the strikebreakers and scabs surrendered in the morning, they were disarmed and marched down a railroad track, when a union official drove up and said something that instigated the Herrin Massacre. Twenty-three scabs and strikebreakers were gunned down. Some of those wounded by gunfire were urinated upon and then had their throats cut with  pocketknives. All of this in broad daylight in front of hundreds of cheering witnesses.

My point is this. The population of Williamson County was so pro-Union that it was impossible to seat a grand jury that would indict any of the killers. It was a huge scandal at the time, newspapers around the world sent reporters. The Herrin Massacre remains one of the largest American massacres that went unprosecuted, that wasn't a racial genocide. It is also one of the only examples of the strikebreakers losing and suffering casualties.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of​_​worker_deaths_in_United_States_labor_d​isputes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of​_​massacres_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herrin_​m​assacre

Between the battle of Blair Mountain and the Herrin Massacre, people thought America might be on the verge of a Communist revolution. The Illinois and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce launched a publicity campaign to paint the pro-Union local citizens as an aberration, newspaper editorials around the world condemned the locals as subhuman, and the local Fundamentalist Christians and business owners reacted by holding a massive KKK enrollment rally which promised to "clean up" Williamson County. Their real goal was obviously to persecute the Italian-American immigrants miners who had moved to Herrin, and anyone who didn't live a "good Christian life", which meant no drinking, dancing, gambling, or sex outside of marriage. The local gangs who ran the speakeasies and gambling dens allied themselves with the Catholic miners and the local police, who were all corrupt, let's face it. They called themselves the Knights of the Flaming Circle. The county was pretty evenly divided. At one point the KKK locked up the mayor and other local officials at gunpoint and seized control of Herrin, requiring the deployment of the Illinois National Guard to drive them out at bayonet point.

My point is, less than a hundred years ago the regressive types in rural areas were only about half the population, the other half were enthusiastic pro Labor types that embraced diversity, as well as the right to party after a hard day's work at union wages. Thanks to both political parties abandoning Labor, the rural areas politics are dominated by the Right, but believe me. there are a lot of resentful rural people that would love to see some progress. If the Democrats would empower the creation of strong new unions that would protect the rights of farm laborers, retail workers, solar and wind technicians, and service workers like EMTs and people who work in retirement communities, which are the jobs most people have in the new rural economy, they would own the rural areas.
 
2020-12-05 11:43:40 AM  
I love the narrative that people build to convince themselves that they're justified in generalizing millions of people into a single strawman and then   pouring out their hatred on it.
Kinda like how redneck racists operate.  So, congrats I guess, you're the other side of the piece of shiat coin.
 
2020-12-05 11:45:44 AM  

Marshmallow Jones: I love the narrative that people build to convince themselves that they're justified in generalizing millions of people into a single strawman and then   pouring out their hatred on it.
Kinda like how redneck racists operate.  So, congrats I guess, you're the other side of the piece of shiat coin.


Trump has 95% approval in the GOP. The majority of Republicans didn't believe Obama was born in America. The majority of Republicans don't believe Biden won the election.

It's not a "built up narrative"...it's the truth.
 
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