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2020-12-04 8:04:27 PM  

Corvus: So that is worth millions of poor people to be thrown out of their homes?


You can also stop pretending to speak for the poor. No one is buying it.
 
2020-12-04 8:04:35 PM  
Gyrfalcon:

If McConnell is still Senate majority leader, nothing will change, because of an overlooked Senate rule that allows the Senate majority leader to unilaterally decide what bills get voted on in the Senate, and which do not.  And as long as Mitch can hold whatever whip he's got over the heads of Senate Republicans, he will stay there, and we will remain in this deadlock.

Here are some things that Biden can do:

https://prospect.org/day-one-agenda

If he wants to.  Looks like an opportunity to earn a hell of a lot of good will.
 
2020-12-04 8:05:03 PM  

purpurosea: qorkfiend: It was a smart move to compromise now, like it was a smart move not to compromise sooner, right?


Sure, just like sometimes you bet before the flop.

It was smart to not compromise before, when breadcrumbs could have saved lives, and it's smart to have compromised for breadcrumbs now that the problem is demonstrably worse and the value of breadcrumbs has dropped significantly?

I'd argue at least one of these had to have been a mistake, but then I'd be accused of blaming Democrats for literally everything, I guess.


Two months ago you don't know what the value of the breadcrumbs is going to do.

They're not mutually exclusive propositions. The hope was that the election would get McConnell out of power so that you don't have to compromise with him. It didn't, so you do.

You're arguing with the benefit of hindsight. It's easy to say "you should have gone all in" after you've seen what the cards look like.

In any case, let's not pretend the House didn't pass a number of their own COVID relief bills that died in the Senate, eh? The Democrats made plenty of offers pre-election.
 
2020-12-04 8:05:28 PM  

lolmao500: OhioUGrad: At this point, might as well have Pelosi pass bills in the House to exempt KY from receiving any federal money and anything else they can do to punish KY. Ky voted to punish the country, drive them into a further shiathole than they already are!

If Lincoln had burned the south to the farking ground like they should have been post-civil war, all this would have been avoided.

Mitch would have never been born and all those scumbags making the GOP of today would have never existed.


Never too late.

/just sayin'
 
2020-12-04 8:06:06 PM  

purpurosea: ReaverZ: purpurosea: ReaverZ: purpurosea: . Stop acting like this is some great victory and understand people are asking more because we need more. The job isn't done.

Uh, ok. Who said it was?

So

No, no dodging, answer the question. Who said it was?

No, I am not literally quoting from this thread. If you're acting like moderates

No, no redirection.  Who said  The job is done.

You can ask me for quotes all you want but I'm not literally quoting you guys, I'm pointing out


No you are not,  you are shiatting on the positive and say it should have never should have been done, instead of saying how it could have been better. You are not here to help. You are not here to make things better. You are here to seek validation by saying how much purer it should have been. You are here for yourself. Be part of the solution or stop trying to fark it up for everyone else.

/ that is why I am "having a tantrum" you adolescent child
 
2020-12-04 8:07:24 PM  

SolderGlob: qorkfiend: SolderGlob: qorkfiend: SolderGlob: qorkfiend: Let's negotiate.

I have something you want.
You have nothing I want.

Make me an offer.

Listen, if the Democrats haven't figured out how to dethrone McConnell and the GOP thus far then there's seriously no hope for them going forward. If they continually capitulate to him then they can kiss any hope of gains in '22 goodbye.

The election was literally one month ago. You watched it yourself. You think no one tried to "dethrone" McConnell?

Relying on the idiots in Kentucky didn't work, what's their plan to getting any of their legislation passed? They'll have have House and Presidency after January, what's their excuse gonna be going in to '22?

They didn't rely on just the idiots in Kentucky. They also relied on the idiots in North Carolina and Maine, because guess what? The voters still get to vote.

The plan to get legislation passed is to...wait for it...get the Senate on board, which requires getting McConnell personally on board. McConnell knows this, and he knows that idiots like you will blame the Democrats for his intransigence, exactly like you're doing right now.

No, I'm blaming Democrats for having no way of dealing with him. He exists, so unless he's the king they need to find a way to get their shiat passed before the people that don't recognize the actual problem start blaming Democrats.


Uh, yeah. And? Do you have any other inane, obvious comments to make?

"The Democrats have to figure out how to get bills past the Senate". Yeah, man. We farking know. That's the entire farking problem.
 
2020-12-04 8:08:37 PM  

Stibium: qorkfiend: Stibium: qorkfiend: Stibium: Stibium: qorkfiend: It's Pelosi's fault that other people don't pay attention.

She *could* ask for progressive PAC to spend some money to educate the public on what is and is not in the bill. Covid stimulus is that important, is it not?

Also, no, I do not believe it should be an "everything-or-nothing" proposition either. It would just be nice for once for Third-Rail Democrats to use the bully pulpit and make Republican compromise for once.

What would that look like?

Republicans compromise so seldom, I honestly have no idea.

And how's that working out for them electorally?

Not nearly as poorly as it should have.

/looking at you, Georgia


Sounds like it's working pretty well for them, then. Strange how that's causing them to continue with that behavior.
 
2020-12-04 8:10:20 PM  

Conqueror of Bread: qorkfiend: Conqueror of Bread: qorkfiend: Conqueror of Bread: qorkfiend: Let's negotiate.

I have something you want.
You have nothing I want.

Make me an offer.

Here's the offer that should be made.

"We've got pitchforks and torches. Give us what we need or we will give you the wall.
No, not that wall..."

Ok, cool. I don't see any of those around right now so we can wait until they show up. (Side note: this may have been more effective before the election showed that the GOP's COVID response is very far from the anchor you think it is.)

By the way, I've got my own pitchforks and torches.

I'm not talking about you doofus. I'm saying we should be doing this to Republicans in the senate. I was playing in the space you made, the hypothetical negotiation.

You are just looking for a fight. If you want one, join a local leftist org. They will help direct your anger in the right place.

I was taking the role of the Senate Republicans in this hypothetical negotiation, you doofus.

It's one of those fancy two-way metaphors because not only will a torch-wielding mob not be able to simply walk up to McConnell due to his position and the physical protection it affords him, Republican voters literally have their own torches of the tiki variety.

Re read the post you quoted. Then take a deep breath and calm down. You just pointed out the exact thing I just pointed out about your hypothetical.

I think you might have an adrenaline addiction and you're fighting here as a way to get your fix.

Deep breath and step away from the thread for a minute. It will help your blood pressure.


It's you who's having trouble following the thread, my friend. I know perfectly well your threats are directed at Senate Republicans and not me personally. I also know perfectly well physical threats will not work against them.
 
2020-12-04 8:10:37 PM  

Corvus: FARK: Where hating the Democratic party all the time somehow makes you "Democrat" and supporting them makes you a "Republican". 🤣


Considering the current democratic leaders have decades' long histories of capitulation to the republicans and moving the party to the right, liking them and/or their approach is tantamount to liking the republicans and anyone who leans towards helping the working class would be good friends with the democrats of a few generations ago.

But I can see where, other than the people you criticize being completely correct and your criticism reinforcing their correctness, you have a point.

I agree that "Fark: 😬"
 
2020-12-04 8:11:23 PM  

Ringshadow: I remain convinced that my furby Quixote could legislate better than Nancy Pelosi.

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/doo?


GAH! What the fark?!
 
2020-12-04 8:11:31 PM  

Nadie_AZ: TomDooley: Is immunity for businesses being half-ass about Covid Protections still in it?  Seems like that has always been the sticking point more then how much was being spent.

As it should be. It should be dead.

Interesting stalemate. The 2 parties can't seem to get anything done. The people are suffering. They have been suffering since April (although, let's be honest: the people have been hurting for decades). What could the leader of the party of the working class do?

She could have harnessed BLM this summer to push through more help for people. They had the neofascist gangster in his bunker at one point. They had real power. She could have led or pushed Biden to lead a mass demand by the working classes.

250 million people struck and protested in India this week. THIS gets shiat done when the leaders won't.

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"Pelosi should have hijacked the BLM movement for leverage on COVID stimulus" you say a month after black people's turnout for the Democrats just saved us from another four years of Trump.

Piss on them and call it "rain" at all of our peril.
 
2020-12-04 8:11:35 PM  
I Like Bread:

Bullshiat, you don't care about the poor. You don't care about Covid deaths. You want to watch it all fall apart so you can feel superior and how you were right all along. Piss off you wanna be.
 
2020-12-04 8:11:54 PM  

Stibium: LordJiro: quo vadimus: quiotu: IrateShadow: We're farked either way, but doubly so if this garbage bill passes.  It gives no direct relief and give McConnell his corporate immunity for COVID infections.  The direct result will be that nothing further will pass and the public will be told to get back to work with no recourse or go homeless.

You assume Mitch will let this pass... or that Trump will sign it.

If it removes corporate liability, it will pass. That's all Mitch cares about. And Dump will sign, take credit for it being awesome, and blame dems for it being not enough.

Mitch McConnell has already shot down bills that removed corporate liability. Right now, his priority is making the Democrats look bad so Republicans can completely take Congress in 2022.

And if a compromise gets passed now, how much steam gets taken out of the Georgia runoff?

I swear, if Warnock and Ossof lose..... I'm gonna say "toadaso"


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2020-12-04 8:14:02 PM  

qorkfiend: Conqueror of Bread: qorkfiend: Conqueror of Bread: qorkfiend: Conqueror of Bread: qorkfiend: Let's negotiate.

I have something you want.
You have nothing I want.

Make me an offer.

Here's the offer that should be made.

"We've got pitchforks and torches. Give us what we need or we will give you the wall.
No, not that wall..."

Ok, cool. I don't see any of those around right now so we can wait until they show up. (Side note: this may have been more effective before the election showed that the GOP's COVID response is very far from the anchor you think it is.)

By the way, I've got my own pitchforks and torches.

I'm not talking about you doofus. I'm saying we should be doing this to Republicans in the senate. I was playing in the space you made, the hypothetical negotiation.

You are just looking for a fight. If you want one, join a local leftist org. They will help direct your anger in the right place.

I was taking the role of the Senate Republicans in this hypothetical negotiation, you doofus.

It's one of those fancy two-way metaphors because not only will a torch-wielding mob not be able to simply walk up to McConnell due to his position and the physical protection it affords him, Republican voters literally have their own torches of the tiki variety.

Re read the post you quoted. Then take a deep breath and calm down. You just pointed out the exact thing I just pointed out about your hypothetical.

I think you might have an adrenaline addiction and you're fighting here as a way to get your fix.

Deep breath and step away from the thread for a minute. It will help your blood pressure.

It's you who's having trouble following the thread, my friend. I know perfectly well your threats are directed at Senate Republicans and not me personally. I also know perfectly well physical threats will not work against them.


Just reading through the quotes above tells a different story. But posture if you must. It doesn't really impact my life. Its about your own battle with your ego. So do what makes you happy.

You should still probably take a minute and a few deep breaths.
 
2020-12-04 8:14:36 PM  

Corvus: Stibium: qorkfiend: Stibium: Stibium: qorkfiend: It's Pelosi's fault that other people don't pay attention.

She *could* ask for progressive PAC to spend some money to educate the public on what is and is not in the bill. Covid stimulus is that important, is it not?

Also, no, I do not believe it should be an "everything-or-nothing" proposition either. It would just be nice for once for Third-Rail Democrats to use the bully pulpit and make Republican compromise for once.

What would that look like?

Republicans compromise so seldom, I honestly have no idea.

They actually do compromise.


The problem is when Republicans compromise Republicans say "They won" and when Democrats compromise they say "We lost" so it just doesn't feel like it.


e.g:
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi​n​g-room/news/174925-boehner-i-got-98-pe​rcent-of-what-i-wanted-in-debt-deal
 
2020-12-04 8:15:15 PM  

Corvus: So that is worth millions of poor people to be thrown out of their homes?


As if that isn't already happening.

Coronavirus IX: Evictions: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
Youtube R652nwUcJRA


Corvus: FARK: Where hating the Democratic party all the time somehow makes you "Democrat" and supporting them makes you a "Republican". 🤣


Democrats aren't gods, they're our elected officials. We're allowed to say whether we're dissatisfied with their performance, and if necessary, show them the door.
 
2020-12-04 8:15:56 PM  

qorkfiend: purpurosea: qorkfiend: It was a smart move to compromise now, like it was a smart move not to compromise sooner, right?


Sure, just like sometimes you bet before the flop.

It was smart to not compromise before, when breadcrumbs could have saved lives, and it's smart to have compromised for breadcrumbs now that the problem is demonstrably worse and the value of breadcrumbs has dropped significantly?

I'd argue at least one of these had to have been a mistake, but then I'd be accused of blaming Democrats for literally everything, I guess.

Two months ago you don't know what the value of the breadcrumbs is going to do.

They're not mutually exclusive propositions. The hope was that the election would get McConnell out of power so that you don't have to compromise with him. It didn't, so you do.

You're arguing with the benefit of hindsight. It's easy to say "you should have gone all in" after you've seen what the cards look like.

In any case, let's not pretend the House didn't pass a number of their own COVID relief bills that died in the Senate, eh? The Democrats made plenty of offers pre-election.


If breadcrumbs were worthless before, how would we expect them to be more valuable now? We knew months ahead of time how bad the COVID problem was going to get, where we are now is not a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention. Betting on having all three branches of government before you accept "something" isn't a good gamble. Why doesn't "You can't always get what you want" apply here?
 
2020-12-04 8:15:58 PM  

I Like Bread: Corvus: So that is worth millions of poor people to be thrown out of their homes?

You can also stop pretending to speak for the poor. No one is buying it.


No, you stop pretending you give a fark. You are fraud, spouting off bs one lines trying to get imaginary internet points. Purpurosea at least has something to say and an argument to make. You are just thread shiatting.
 
2020-12-04 8:17:01 PM  
qorkfiend:

In any case, let's not pretend the House didn't pass a number of their own COVID relief bills that died in the Senate, eh? The Democrats made plenty of offers pre-election.

And virtually the only people who know it are the habitually online politics addicts.  They should've been cranking out ads at a Lincoln Project rate all year long.

The gang that can't shoot straight has no ability to connect with voters.  Blame the message or the messenger (or keep fruitlessly blaming voters), they suck at it.  Pelosi now habitually comes on with a "how dare you question me??" attitude.  They are tied to every failed policy passed in the last 30 years.  Every private company in the world would've fired Pelosi and Schumer years ago.  We've got to stop propping up and defending these corpses, and start talking about what to do next.  If we know they can't win the fight, why do we keep leaving them in charge of it?
 
2020-12-04 8:18:10 PM  

qorkfiend: Conqueror of Bread: qorkfiend: Conqueror of Bread: qorkfiend: Conqueror of Bread: qorkfiend: Let's negotiate.

I have something you want.
You have nothing I want.

Make me an offer.

Here's the offer that should be made.

"We've got pitchforks and torches. Give us what we need or we will give you the wall.
No, not that wall..."

Ok, cool. I don't see any of those around right now so we can wait until they show up. (Side note: this may have been more effective before the election showed that the GOP's COVID response is very far from the anchor you think it is.)

By the way, I've got my own pitchforks and torches.

I'm not talking about you doofus. I'm saying we should be doing this to Republicans in the senate. I was playing in the space you made, the hypothetical negotiation.

You are just looking for a fight. If you want one, join a local leftist org. They will help direct your anger in the right place.

I was taking the role of the Senate Republicans in this hypothetical negotiation, you doofus.

It's one of those fancy two-way metaphors because not only will a torch-wielding mob not be able to simply walk up to McConnell due to his position and the physical protection it affords him, Republican voters literally have their own torches of the tiki variety.

Re read the post you quoted. Then take a deep breath and calm down. You just pointed out the exact thing I just pointed out about your hypothetical.

I think you might have an adrenaline addiction and you're fighting here as a way to get your fix.

Deep breath and step away from the thread for a minute. It will help your blood pressure.

It's you who's having trouble following the thread, my friend. I know perfectly well your threats are directed at Senate Republicans and not me personally. I also know perfectly well physical threats will not work against them.


Yeah, I remember when I was 19 and thought Communism could save the world.
 
2020-12-04 8:18:40 PM  

Kirkenhegelstein: This thread didn't stand a chance.


These never do. The Snack must be busy tonight (surprising, since he rarely misses a built in shiatpost opportunity). The surrogates are seem to be the B team as well.
 
2020-12-04 8:19:17 PM  
Nothing HOHOHO funnier than a right-leaning Moderate™ trying to imply that progressives are the ones who have or will ever shiat on black voters.

Decades of your group's policies not just failing black voters, but sending them backwards in many ways.

/war on drugs supporting mofos have happily decimated the nation's young black males
//but the gop is worse so it's okay that you've been pointedly awful human beings
 
2020-12-04 8:22:58 PM  

gameshowhost: Nothing HOHOHO funnier than a right-leaning Moderate™ trying to imply that progressives are the ones who have or will ever shiat on black voters.

Decades of your group's policies not just failing black voters, but sending them backwards in many ways.

/war on drugs supporting mofos have happily decimated the nation's young black males
//but the gop is worse so it's okay that you've been pointedly awful human beings


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent​_​Crime_Control_and_Law_Enforcement_Act

That moment when you realize it was introduced by a Democrat, passed overwhelmingly in the House, passed 96-4 in the Senate and signed by a Democratic President ...

scontent.fcmh1-1.fna.fbcdn.netView Full Size
 
2020-12-04 8:25:04 PM  

ReaverZ: purpurosea: ReaverZ: purpurosea: ReaverZ: purpurosea: . Stop acting like this is some great victory and understand people are asking more because we need more. The job isn't done.

Uh, ok. Who said it was?

So

No, no dodging, answer the question. Who said it was?

No, I am not literally quoting from this thread. If you're acting like moderates

No, no redirection.  Who said  The job is done.

You can ask me for quotes all you want but I'm not literally quoting you guys, I'm pointing out

No you are not,  you are shiatting on the positive and say it should have never should have been done, instead of saying how it could have been better.


Where have I said we shouldn't have compromised? I said something is better than nothing.

You are not here to help. You are not here to make things better. You are here to seek validation by saying how much purer it should have been. You are here for yourself. Be part of the solution or stop trying to fark it up for everyone else.

Not sure where your purity rhetoric is coming from, or how you come to the conclusion that I'm asking for more for myself. I've had my struggles during the last year, but I am not in need, not in the way people who have lost their jobs or homes or loved ones are.

I don't accept that criticizing Democratic leadership is "trying to fark it up for everyone else."

/ that is why I am "having a tantrum" you adolescent child
 
2020-12-04 8:25:20 PM  

Conqueror of Bread: qorkfiend: Conqueror of Bread: qorkfiend: Conqueror of Bread: qorkfiend: Conqueror of Bread: qorkfiend: Let's negotiate.

I have something you want.
You have nothing I want.

Make me an offer.

Here's the offer that should be made.

"We've got pitchforks and torches. Give us what we need or we will give you the wall.
No, not that wall..."

Ok, cool. I don't see any of those around right now so we can wait until they show up. (Side note: this may have been more effective before the election showed that the GOP's COVID response is very far from the anchor you think it is.)

By the way, I've got my own pitchforks and torches.

I'm not talking about you doofus. I'm saying we should be doing this to Republicans in the senate. I was playing in the space you made, the hypothetical negotiation.

You are just looking for a fight. If you want one, join a local leftist org. They will help direct your anger in the right place.

I was taking the role of the Senate Republicans in this hypothetical negotiation, you doofus.

It's one of those fancy two-way metaphors because not only will a torch-wielding mob not be able to simply walk up to McConnell due to his position and the physical protection it affords him, Republican voters literally have their own torches of the tiki variety.

Re read the post you quoted. Then take a deep breath and calm down. You just pointed out the exact thing I just pointed out about your hypothetical.

I think you might have an adrenaline addiction and you're fighting here as a way to get your fix.

Deep breath and step away from the thread for a minute. It will help your blood pressure.

It's you who's having trouble following the thread, my friend. I know perfectly well your threats are directed at Senate Republicans and not me personally. I also know perfectly well physical threats will not work against them.

Just reading through the quotes above tells a different story. But posture if you must. It doesn't really impact my life. Its about your own battle with your ego. So do what makes you happy.

You should still probably take a minute and a few deep breaths.


You don't understand what we're discussing at all, do you? It's ok, you can admit you're lost.
 
2020-12-04 8:27:13 PM  

Wanderlusting: gameshowhost: Nothing HOHOHO funnier than a right-leaning Moderate™ trying to imply that progressives are the ones who have or will ever shiat on black voters.

Decades of your group's policies not just failing black voters, but sending them backwards in many ways.

/war on drugs supporting mofos have happily decimated the nation's young black males
//but the gop is worse so it's okay that you've been pointedly awful human beings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_​Crime_Control_and_Law_Enforcement_Act

That moment when you realize it was introduced by a Democrat, passed overwhelmingly in the House, passed 96-4 in the Senate and signed by a Democratic President ...

[scontent.fcmh1-1.fna.fbcdn.net image 540x770]


If we're going to call it a failure, and we should, that can only be done credibly by new leadership.
 
2020-12-04 8:28:13 PM  

Wanderlusting: That moment when you realize it was introduced by a Democrat, passed overwhelmingly in the House, passed 96-4 in the Senate and signed by a Democratic President ...


Dat moment you realize those democrats are right-leaning moderates...
 
2020-12-04 8:28:40 PM  

ReaverZ: I Like Bread:

Bullshiat, you don't care about the poor. You don't care about Covid deaths. You want to watch it all fall apart so you can feel superior and how you were right all along. Piss off you wanna be.


The moral superiority force field is at the heart of the progressive shiatposter, similar to the white male "pro-lifer" who only wants to protect the "unborn" and not control women.

Narrator: they are not morally superior, nor do they do any real work next to bring about any real change.
 
2020-12-04 8:32:27 PM  

purpurosea: ReaverZ: purpurosea: ReaverZ: purpurosea: ReaverZ: purpurosea: . Stop acting like this is some great victory and understand people are asking more because we need more. The job isn't done.

Uh, ok. Who said it was?

So

No, no dodging, answer the question. Who said it was?

No, I am not literally quoting from this thread. If you're acting like moderates

No, no redirection.  Who said  The job is done.

You can ask me for quotes all you want but I'm not literally quoting you guys, I'm pointing out

No you are not,  you are shiatting on the positive and say it should have never should have been done, instead of saying how it could have been better.

Where have I said we shouldn't have compromised? I said something is better than nothing.

You are not here to help. You are not here to make things better. You are here to seek validation by saying how much purer it should have been. You are here for yourself. Be part of the solution or stop trying to fark it up for everyone else.

Not sure where your purity rhetoric is coming from, or how you come to the conclusion that I'm asking for more for myself. I've had my struggles during the last year, but I am not in need, not in the way people who have lost their jobs or homes or loved ones are.

I don't accept that criticizing Democratic leadership is "trying to fark it up for everyone else."

/ that is why I am "having a tantrum" you adolescent child


Insisting that the Democrats should have walked away from actual relief in the mistaken belief this would somehow force the GOP to capitulate is, in fact, desiring to "fark it up for other people".
 
2020-12-04 8:33:15 PM  
Republicans are of a single mind and share most of the same goals and desires. This is why they're so much stronger than Democrats. Democrats are a herd of cats, many opposed ideologies and "My way is better" along with a desire to avoid conflict at all costs. You will never get Democrats to agree on anything, they will remain divided and weak until the right has fully extinguished them.
 
2020-12-04 8:36:12 PM  

Wanderlusting: gameshowhost: Nothing HOHOHO funnier than a right-leaning Moderate™ trying to imply that progressives are the ones who have or will ever shiat on black voters.

Decades of your group's policies not just failing black voters, but sending them backwards in many ways.

/war on drugs supporting mofos have happily decimated the nation's young black males
//but the gop is worse so it's okay that you've been pointedly awful human beings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_​Crime_Control_and_Law_Enforcement_Act

That moment when you realize it was introduced by a Democrat, passed overwhelmingly in the House, passed 96-4 in the Senate and signed by a Democratic President ...

[scontent.fcmh1-1.fna.fbcdn.net image 540x770]


hey don't agree with me.. you're making me look bad
 
2020-12-04 8:37:14 PM  

Cagey B: vpb: What's asinine about it?  There are a lot of people who need help and would have gotten nothing if she hadn't compromised.

A lot of people who can't be bothered to vote in down-ticket races will be along shortly to explain how Pelosi should have used mystical parliamentary procedures to somehow enact a bill without the Senate for reasons.


I know, right? I'm 100% done with having conversations with people online that go like this:

Them: Those damned Democrats are just Republicans in other clothing. Why aren't they passing relief bills!
Me: They literally have passed a bunch of them for months. They only control the House, laws go through both chambers. Republicans control the Senate and won't even vote on anything Mitch McConnell hasn't personally approved.
T: That's bullshiat! They should be shouting from the rooftops! They could be talking about it to force votes with public pressure!
M: They're literally already doing that too, my feeds have been filled with it for months. No amount of outside pressure will matter, McConnell ONLY concerns himself with GOP voter pressure, never anyone else.
T: That's not enough! They should be on TV! Rallies! They should write articles in newspapers!
M: FFS, they've been doing that for months too... it doesn't matter. The GOP leadership ignores public opinion polls entirely - they ONLY care what their own specific voters want, and really only what the donors want because their gaslit and aggressively defiant voters can be manipulated by the media organs those donors also run.
T: No way! The Democrats could do more! They could pass something all by themselves! They should be marching in the streets! They don't wanna! Whaaaarrrggghlllll
M: /surprised this person can even read the written word

So farking tired of that shiat.

ONE motherfarker is the problem, shockingly it isn't actually Trump in this particular instance, learn how our farking legislative system works at a basic level before opining about what someone in it should be doing, and get it through our farking heads already - widespread public pressure is generally completely ignored by the GOP. They ONLY care about their gaslit suckers, they don't really give much of a shiat about our marches besides them being a temporary nuisance for their drivers.

Anybody angry about this SHOULD BE - it is appropriate to be furious about it. But you want to farking DO something about it? Do something to support the runoffs for those senate seats in GA. Both seats need to be won by Democrats. If they are and still nothing happens? I'll be right there with them screaming at Democrats to use what tools they can.

But if we lose those races and the GOP retains control of the senate... well, the GOP doesn't care if government doesn't work - they RUN ON BREAKING IT. Works for them if government fails us, and they'll do what they can to bring it to a halt. Like they've been doing. Be pissed at the people who have decided to use their power to sabotage the US, and the founders to make a system so game-able to compromise with slavers - not the people fighting them for not having magic goddamned powers.
 
2020-12-04 8:37:23 PM  
I POOPED THIS THREAD'S PANTS


/just had to get that out. All is well again.
 
2020-12-04 8:37:26 PM  

Gyrfalcon: qorkfiend: Conqueror of Bread: qorkfiend: Conqueror of Bread: qorkfiend: Conqueror of Bread: qorkfiend: Let's negotiate.

I have something you want.
You have nothing I want.

Make me an offer.

Here's the offer that should be made.

"We've got pitchforks and torches. Give us what we need or we will give you the wall.
No, not that wall..."

Ok, cool. I don't see any of those around right now so we can wait until they show up. (Side note: this may have been more effective before the election showed that the GOP's COVID response is very far from the anchor you think it is.)

By the way, I've got my own pitchforks and torches.

I'm not talking about you doofus. I'm saying we should be doing this to Republicans in the senate. I was playing in the space you made, the hypothetical negotiation.

You are just looking for a fight. If you want one, join a local leftist org. They will help direct your anger in the right place.

I was taking the role of the Senate Republicans in this hypothetical negotiation, you doofus.

It's one of those fancy two-way metaphors because not only will a torch-wielding mob not be able to simply walk up to McConnell due to his position and the physical protection it affords him, Republican voters literally have their own torches of the tiki variety.

Re read the post you quoted. Then take a deep breath and calm down. You just pointed out the exact thing I just pointed out about your hypothetical.

I think you might have an adrenaline addiction and you're fighting here as a way to get your fix.

Deep breath and step away from the thread for a minute. It will help your blood pressure.

It's you who's having trouble following the thread, my friend. I know perfectly well your threats are directed at Senate Republicans and not me personally. I also know perfectly well physical threats will not work against them.

Yeah, I remember when I was 19 and thought Communism could save the world.


I remember when I was 19 and liberal. Then I educated myself over the course of two decades.

So there is hope for some liberals.

Start with "Socialism, Utopian and Scientific". Might change how you view the world.
 
2020-12-04 8:37:56 PM  

qorkfiend: purpurosea: ReaverZ: purpurosea: ReaverZ: purpurosea: ReaverZ: purpurosea: . Stop acting like this is some great victory and understand people are asking more because we need more. The job isn't done.

Uh, ok. Who said it was?

So

No, no dodging, answer the question. Who said it was?

No, I am not literally quoting from this thread. If you're acting like moderates

No, no redirection.  Who said  The job is done.

You can ask me for quotes all you want but I'm not literally quoting you guys, I'm pointing out

No you are not,  you are shiatting on the positive and say it should have never should have been done, instead of saying how it could have been better.

Where have I said we shouldn't have compromised? I said something is better than nothing.

You are not here to help. You are not here to make things better. You are here to seek validation by saying how much purer it should have been. You are here for yourself. Be part of the solution or stop trying to fark it up for everyone else.

Not sure where your purity rhetoric is coming from, or how you come to the conclusion that I'm asking for more for myself. I've had my struggles during the last year, but I am not in need, not in the way people who have lost their jobs or homes or loved ones are.

I don't accept that criticizing Democratic leadership is "trying to fark it up for everyone else."

/ that is why I am "having a tantrum" you adolescent child

Insisting that the Democrats should have walked away from actual relief in the mistaken belief this would somehow force the GOP to capitulate is, in fact, desiring to "fark it up for other people".


But Democrats walking away from actual relief for months in the mistaken belief that we'd walk away with three branches of government was a good bet.

My position is something is, and would have been, better than nothing.

My desire is for people in need to get the help they are owed.
 
2020-12-04 8:38:06 PM  

OhioUGrad: At this point, might as well have Pelosi pass bills in the House to exempt KY from receiving any federal money and anything else they can do to punish KY. Ky voted to punish the country, drive them into a further shiathole than they already are!


LOL I guess "fark u" to all of us who did vote for the dumbass democratic challenger the stupid democratic party put up against Mitch? I voted straight ticket dem, not much else I can do as an unemployed, broke, and soon to be homeless high-risk person. Go fark yourself.

p.s. if someone wnats to give me the money to move somewhere better i'm here for it, until then stfu about people in Kentucky
 
2020-12-04 8:39:29 PM  
qorkfiend:

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An anemic one time payment is the glowing bit.

The rest of the anglerfish is corporate immunity from lawsuits.
 
2020-12-04 8:42:43 PM  
purpurosea:

Where have I said we shouldn't have compromised? I said something is better than nothing.

Then we agree and I have totally missed half you posts...Have a lovely weekend.
 
2020-12-04 8:44:06 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Republicans are of a single mind and share most of the same goals and desires. This is why they're so much stronger than Democrats. Democrats are a herd of cats, many opposed ideologies and "My way is better" along with a desire to avoid conflict at all costs. You will never get Democrats to agree on anything, they will remain divided and weak until the right has fully extinguished them.


Republicans stand their ground and make the unthinkable become acceptable. That's how they can convince people in urgent need of affordable healthcare that they'd be better off without it.

Democrats, however, are so scared of looking unpopular that they won't support policies that actually are popular.

69% of Americans, including 88% of Democrats, said they support Medicare For All, and yet the DNC overwhelmingly opposed putting it into the party platform (even though universal healthcare used to be on the party platform every year from 1948 through 1980), and the party leadership spent 2020 insisting it was political poison.

Well, as it turned out, every single person that ran supporting M4A won their election. Additionally, among the people that ran supporting the Green New Deal, all but one won their elections, too.

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https://truthout.org/articles/this-el​e​ction-proved-that-medicare-for-all-is-​a-winning-demand/

https://www.commondreams.org/news/202​0​/11/09/99-green-new-deal-co-sponsors-w​on-their-races-cycle-analysis
 
2020-12-04 8:49:03 PM  

Naido: Pelosi now habitually comes on with a "how dare you question me??" attitude.


yeah, she is doing that more an more. I wonder if it is truly "how dare you" or "why are you giving me shiat, when you let Trump get away with lying. Not politician obfuscations but bold fact no factual basis bullshiat".

/ little of the former and a lot of the latter
 
2020-12-04 8:52:13 PM  

mongbiohazard: T: That's bullshiat! They should be shouting from the rooftops! They could be talking about it to force votes with public pressure!
M: They're literally already doing that too, my feeds have been filled with it for months. No amount of outside pressure will matter, McConnell ONLY concerns himself with GOP voter pressure, never anyone else.
T: That's not enough! They should be on TV! Rallies! They should write articles in newspapers!
M: FFS, they've been doing that for months too... it doesn't matter. The GOP leadership ignores public opinion polls entirely - they ONLY care what their own specific voters want, and really only what the donors want because their gaslit and aggressively defiant voters can be manipulated by the media organs those donors also run.


I keep pretty abreast of politics, but I've yet to see a lot of this.  So if they're doing it, it's not getting out there, because if it's not reaching me and I'm actually looking for it, then it's not reaching most of America.  Which is maybe why it's not working.
 
2020-12-04 8:52:32 PM  

Abracapocalypse: OhioUGrad: At this point, might as well have Pelosi pass bills in the House to exempt KY from receiving any federal money and anything else they can do to punish KY. Ky voted to punish the country, drive them into a further shiathole than they already are!

LOL I guess "fark u" to all of us who did vote for the dumbass democratic challenger the stupid democratic party put up against Mitch? I voted straight ticket dem, not much else I can do as an unemployed, broke, and soon to be homeless high-risk person. Go fark yourself.

p.s. if someone wnats to give me the money to move somewhere better i'm here for it, until then stfu about people in Kentucky


Yeah farkers are really callous toward working class people from rural areas.

I'm sorry you're dealing with the shiat you're experiencing.

I'll occasionally listen to the Trillbillies podcast out of Eastern Kentucky. That senate race sounded like a shiatshow by the democrats.

Solidarity from Louisiana.
 
2020-12-04 8:53:16 PM  

Abracapocalypse: OhioUGrad: At this point, might as well have Pelosi pass bills in the House to exempt KY from receiving any federal money and anything else they can do to punish KY. Ky voted to punish the country, drive them into a further shiathole than they already are!

LOL I guess "fark u" to all of us who did vote for the dumbass democratic challenger the stupid democratic party put up against Mitch? I voted straight ticket dem, not much else I can do as an unemployed, broke, and soon to be homeless high-risk person. Go fark yourself.

p.s. if someone wnats to give me the money to move somewhere better i'm here for it, until then stfu about people in Kentucky


I mean, this how sanctions work, though.  Someone innocent will get hurt.  Sucks if it's you.
 
2020-12-04 8:54:58 PM  

ReaverZ: purpurosea:

Where have I said we shouldn't have compromised? I said something is better than nothing.

Then we agree and I have totally missed half you posts...Have a lovely weekend.


I get I'm often combative when I participate in threads like these and I appreciate that can often read like I hate Democrats. I want us (not specifically you and me, our party broadly) to be able to have discussions with each other about the best course of action without acting like the sky is falling because we don't always see eye to eye. I feel like we need to be able to talk about both, the positives and the negatives, in order for us to understand the shape of the elephant we're feeling up at different angles.

I want my politics to be seen as driven by love and compassion - if that's not clear from what I say, then I'm not doing a very good job of it. So I'll apologize and wish you a good weekend too.
 
2020-12-04 8:58:07 PM  

austerity101: Abracapocalypse: OhioUGrad: At this point, might as well have Pelosi pass bills in the House to exempt KY from receiving any federal money and anything else they can do to punish KY. Ky voted to punish the country, drive them into a further shiathole than they already are!

LOL I guess "fark u" to all of us who did vote for the dumbass democratic challenger the stupid democratic party put up against Mitch? I voted straight ticket dem, not much else I can do as an unemployed, broke, and soon to be homeless high-risk person. Go fark yourself.

p.s. if someone wnats to give me the money to move somewhere better i'm here for it, until then stfu about people in Kentucky

I mean, this how sanctions work, though.  Someone innocent will get hurt.  Sucks if it's you.


Meanwhile people in this very thread seem to believe it's not ok for a single American to go one more second without stimulus.
 
2020-12-04 9:00:17 PM  

purpurosea: ReaverZ: purpurosea:

Where have I said we shouldn't have compromised? I said something is better than nothing.

Then we agree and I have totally missed half you posts...Have a lovely weekend.

I get I'm often combative when I participate in threads like these and I appreciate that can often read like I hate Democrats. I want us (not specifically you and me, our party broadly) to be able to have discussions with each other about the best course of action without acting like the sky is falling because we don't always see eye to eye. I feel like we need to be able to talk about both, the positives and the negatives, in order for us to understand the shape of the elephant we're feeling up at different angles.

I want my politics to be seen as driven by love and compassion - if that's not clear from what I say, then I'm not doing a very good job of it. So I'll apologize and wish you a good weekend too.


again we agree. Its all good,
 
2020-12-04 9:10:09 PM  

purpurosea: qorkfiend: purpurosea: ReaverZ: purpurosea: ReaverZ: purpurosea: ReaverZ: purpurosea: . Stop acting like this is some great victory and understand people are asking more because we need more. The job isn't done.

Uh, ok. Who said it was?

So

No, no dodging, answer the question. Who said it was?

No, I am not literally quoting from this thread. If you're acting like moderates

No, no redirection.  Who said  The job is done.

You can ask me for quotes all you want but I'm not literally quoting you guys, I'm pointing out

No you are not,  you are shiatting on the positive and say it should have never should have been done, instead of saying how it could have been better.

Where have I said we shouldn't have compromised? I said something is better than nothing.

You are not here to help. You are not here to make things better. You are here to seek validation by saying how much purer it should have been. You are here for yourself. Be part of the solution or stop trying to fark it up for everyone else.

Not sure where your purity rhetoric is coming from, or how you come to the conclusion that I'm asking for more for myself. I've had my struggles during the last year, but I am not in need, not in the way people who have lost their jobs or homes or loved ones are.

I don't accept that criticizing Democratic leadership is "trying to fark it up for everyone else."

/ that is why I am "having a tantrum" you adolescent child

Insisting that the Democrats should have walked away from actual relief in the mistaken belief this would somehow force the GOP to capitulate is, in fact, desiring to "fark it up for other people".

But Democrats walking away from actual relief for months in the mistaken belief that we'd walk away with three branches of government was a good bet.

My position is something is, and would have been, better than nothing.

My desire is for people in need to get the help they are owed.


The only reason you can classify it as "mistaken" is because you are sitting here arguing as if everything you know today, Dec 3, you knew back on Sep 3.
 
2020-12-04 9:10:36 PM  

leeksfromchichis: qorkfiend:

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An anemic one time payment is the glowing bit.

The rest of the anglerfish is corporate immunity from lawsuits.


Right. So, nothing then?
 
2020-12-04 9:11:07 PM  

Conqueror of Bread: Wanderlusting: Conqueror of Bread: Wanderlusting: AurizenDarkstar: If you're serious with this, then get out there and start killing people.

I mean, you're arguing that you're loaded for bear and willing to kill to defend your right.  Well, do it instead of talking about it. You obviously believe that you have the strength and arms to do it.

Also, smarting your own comments is the sign of an insecure person.  Just thought you might want to know.

This. Last time I checked the protestors in Honk Kong weren't waiting for people to join them. They just did what they thought was right. 

If you started wheeling out guillotines and started beheading business owners in the streets, I'd have a lot more respect for you than watching you piss and moan for the Nth time about how Wall Street gets the help and you're still sucking your thumbs.

There's nothing - I repeat, NOTHING, worse than someone who threatens big things, big changes, and disruption and then hides like a coward when it's time to stand up.

Make it happen. Stand opposed or shut the fark up.

One person doesn't make a revolution happen. It takes millions.

Will you join a movement to change things? Or just screech your feelings of impotence at those who say we ought to?

Id reccomend joining a union or a socialist group in your area. Maybe an IWW chapter. You ought to start strategizing how to implement socialist systems in your local area. Mutual aid and local production are important aspects of any revolutionary foundation.

I'm in favor of the status quo because I benefit handsomely from it. I like my nice, comfy home in the suburbs. I like my job where I get health insurance, a generous salary, and plenty of vacation time. I like the fact that my US Passport (pre-Covid) allowed me to travel most places on Earth with simply a landing visa. I like the fact that I went to college on an academic scholarship that I earned by working my ass off for it. I like that I have a couple of cars, a couple of kids, and that I am working for their future. But, as anyone with kids will tell you, my progeny comes first and my family comes first. If your policies endanger my family, I'm not going to support them. 

Many on the left would vilify me for living the American dream and earning what is rightfully mine, and thus, I don't feel that a "revolution" is necessary. Others would strongly disagree. I'm simply saying if you're going to threaten pitchforks and torches and "eating the rich," I'd suggest you start acting on these proclamations lest you be seen as weak in the face of your "oppressors."

Oh nvm. I thought I was talking to a working class person.

You're bourgioisie. Not worth wasting time on.


He took a long time to basically say "I got mine so frak you". What an unsatisfying conclusion.  Almost as bad as Season 8 of GoT
 
2020-12-04 9:11:08 PM  

austerity101: mongbiohazard: T: That's bullshiat! They should be shouting from the rooftops! They could be talking about it to force votes with public pressure!
M: They're literally already doing that too, my feeds have been filled with it for months. No amount of outside pressure will matter, McConnell ONLY concerns himself with GOP voter pressure, never anyone else.
T: That's not enough! They should be on TV! Rallies! They should write articles in newspapers!
M: FFS, they've been doing that for months too... it doesn't matter. The GOP leadership ignores public opinion polls entirely - they ONLY care what their own specific voters want, and really only what the donors want because their gaslit and aggressively defiant voters can be manipulated by the media organs those donors also run.

I keep pretty abreast of politics, but I've yet to see a lot of this.  So if they're doing it, it's not getting out there, because if it's not reaching me and I'm actually looking for it, then it's not reaching most of America.  Which is maybe why it's not working.


Oh, yeah. I'm sure you're totally out there "looking for it".
 
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