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2020-12-04 6:44:32 PM  

dkulprit: Mikey1969: vpb: What's asinine about it?  There are a lot of people who need help and would have gotten nothing if she hadn't compromised.

Because almost nobody here understands the word "compromise".

Oh, we understand compromise.  We have millions of people who are unemployed and living under the poverty line, the GOP just put us 10 trillion into debt to give tax breaks to the wealthy, so we're supposed to take about 150$ per person in the country while those rich who already just got breaks and money from government?

Compromise is:

"We want 2,000$/person"

"No, 1,000$ only. "

"Ok, meet in middle 1,500$"

Not:

"We want 2,000 for each and every person."

"Nope, were going to give 1 trillion to businesses, make them immune from liability and the people get 150$."

"Ok.  That works."

That's not a compromise.  That's getting walked over.


Because you assume that's how it went. It was really more like this:

"We want $2000 for each person."
"No."
"$1500 for each person."
"No."
"What do you want?"'
"We don't want anything. You make offers, and we'll tell you which one we'll accept."
"$1500 and a tax break?"
"No."

The GOP has nothing to gain or lose by negotiating at this point. They know ANYTHING will come back on the Dems. So Pelosi has to give them something they will pass and that will get signed, if she wants to get money to Americans before St. Swizzums Day.
 
2020-12-04 6:45:04 PM  
Good. People need help even of it isn't perfect.
 
2020-12-04 6:45:24 PM  

Stibium: Mikey1969: vpb: What's asinine about it?  There are a lot of people who need help and would have gotten nothing if she hadn't compromised.

Because almost nobody here understands the word "compromise".

I don't think it serves the public to compromise and give corporations immunity for doing nothing to protect its employees. But maybe I can change my mind if Pelosi says corporations can have a few more trillion, no strings attached?

/that last part is sarcastic


How much does "zero relief" serve the public?
 
2020-12-04 6:45:51 PM  

lolmao500: IrateShadow: It gives no direct relief and give McConnell his corporate immunity for COVID infections.

For all the effort he puts into this whole immunity from lawsuit COVID BS... WHY??? Has anyone sued any business because they gave them COVID, killed family members/friends or made them disabled???

If its the case, Ive not seen any example of it... so why in the fark does he wants to do that? Does he thinks that somehow Murica will change overnight and laws for rich and corporate people will matter once more?? He got more faith in people than I have.


Actually I heard a meat packing company is being sued because they stayed open early without taken much precaution and the bosses actually had a pool running on the workers that developed COVID.
 
2020-12-04 6:46:09 PM  

austerity101: This. There certainly isn't much Congressional Democrats could have done on the floor in terms of legislation over these past few months, but they could have done way, way more on the ground. I'm still just baffled why Democratic officials aren't on TV and in ads every single day all over the place--there's so much they can do to increase their presence and get their stories out. Tell the people what the Republicans are and aren't doing. Name them. Call them out. Work with activists and grassroots organizations. Shouldn't this all be obvious?


It doesn't help them if they did. I mean it doesn't help their corporate donors. That's how far gone that party is. Neither party represents the working class or the poor. They fail every test given them since 2008.
 
2020-12-04 6:46:11 PM  

austerity101: Nadie_AZ: TomDooley: Is immunity for businesses being half-ass about Covid Protections still in it?  Seems like that has always been the sticking point more then how much was being spent.

As it should be. It should be dead.

Interesting stalemate. The 2 parties can't seem to get anything done. The people are suffering. They have been suffering since April (although, let's be honest: the people have been hurting for decades). What could the leader of the party of the working class do?

She could have harnessed BLM this summer to push through more help for people. They had the neofascist gangster in his bunker at one point. They had real power. She could have led or pushed Biden to lead a mass demand by the working classes.

250 million people struck and protested in India this week. THIS gets shiat done when the leaders won't.

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This.  There certainly isn't much Congressional Democrats could have done on the floor in terms of legislation over these past few months, but they could have done way, way more on the ground.  I'm still just baffled why Democratic officials aren't on TV and in ads every single day all over the place--there's so much they can do to increase their presence and get their stories out.  Tell the people what the Republicans are and aren't doing.  Name them.  Call them out.  Work with activists and grassroots organizations.  Shouldn't this all be obvious?


As usual it is hilarious to watch amateurs sneer "isn't that obvious" at professionals
 
2020-12-04 6:46:35 PM  
Pelosi bet on Americans not being so farking stupid for ONE time in their life, and sadly lost.  Dems should have won the Senate.  Why in the fark did Susan Collins and Lindsey Graham retain their seats?  Pelosi is now playing the hand she has, post-election.

So many people in this thread living in a fantasyland instead of the America that exists.  People here don't understand double standards. Americans expect Democrats to govern responsibly, and give Republicans a pass for all manner of evil. Here is the current position: if everything goes to hell with no deal, then Biden starts his administration in an even DEEPER hole, which means Biden will be more desperate to pass a relief bill, which means McConnell has even MORE leverage, pending what happens in the runoffs.

I am not mad at Pelosi for not giving 45 a huge pre-election win (and potentially another term) at the cost of permanent immunity for companies and middling stimulus relief. If you're going to help 45 win, he has to give you every damn thing you want for the people, and not a penny less.  Now you pass something to help regular people, and shore up the market, so you're not going hat in hand to McConnell in January.
 
2020-12-04 6:46:48 PM  
She thought she would be in a stronger negotiating position after the election, and that was not a crazy thought considering the polls were so bad even Republicans were shocked they did so well down ballot.  But now McConnell is in the drivers seat, so if the Dems don;t win Georgia he will happily stand asid, watch the country burn and blame it all on Pelosi and Biden.
 
2020-12-04 6:47:10 PM  

Nadie_AZ: lolmao500: IrateShadow: It gives no direct relief and give McConnell his corporate immunity for COVID infections.

For all the effort he puts into this whole immunity from lawsuit COVID BS... WHY??? Has anyone sued any business because they gave them COVID, killed family members/friends or made them disabled???

If its the case, Ive not seen any example of it... so why in the fark does he wants to do that? Does he thinks that somehow Murica will change overnight and laws for rich and corporate people will matter once more?? He got more faith in people than I have.

Perhaps it is the start of the roll back of OSHA.


Those are job killing regulations.
 
2020-12-04 6:47:39 PM  

over_educated: She thought she would be in a stronger negotiating position after the election, and that was not a crazy thought considering the polls were so bad even Republicans were shocked they did so well down ballot.  But now McConnell is in the drivers seat, so if the Dems don;t win Georgia he will happily stand asid, watch the country burn and blame it all on Pelosi and Biden.


All with the gleeful assistance of "progressives", as amply demonstrated by this very thread
 
2020-12-04 6:48:06 PM  

misanthropicsob: vpb: What's asinine about it?  There are a lot of people who need help and would have gotten nothing if she hadn't compromised.

They could have had more if she had called Trump's bluff and supported the $1.8T bill from November.

She is making a series of tactical errors, and should be primaried in 2022. We also need to vote her out of Speaker of the House since her negotiation skills are absolutely shiat.

Nancy: "Here's a bill worth $2.2T."
Trump: "How about $1.8T?"
Nancy: "That isn't enough."
Turtle: "How about $900b and you can't sue businesses for not taking safety precautions."
Nancy: "We'll take it!"

What the fark kind of compromise and negotiation skills are those?


Wow, we've got a guy here who is posting from the future! So tell us future man, when does the senate actually finally pass a bill? What was the house vote?
 
2020-12-04 6:48:09 PM  

Gyrfalcon: eddie_irvine: This is a shiat bill, nothing but failed supply side economics. She should walk away.

Because nothing at all is much better than something! People can eat principles for Christmas!


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2020-12-04 6:48:22 PM  
This will be the reality for the next 4 years.

Bourgiois democrats do not care about you. They do not care about working people. They will always capitulate to capital and they will always betray your hopes.

Stop relying on any group that continues to support capitalism. They will betray you for the almighty dollar.

The only solution is a protracted peoples movement to establish state socialism with a longterm planned economic transition into communism.

Destroy classes and the state will wither.

Stop expecting the leaders of an empire to willingly dismantle their systems of wealth and power.

I'm not even mad about it anymore. Its expected. I'm just tired of being right about liberals.

Republicans are evil, democrats are enablers of evil.
 
2020-12-04 6:48:23 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: misanthropicsob: vpb: What's asinine about it?  There are a lot of people who need help and would have gotten nothing if she hadn't compromised.

They could have had more if she had called Trump's bluff and supported the $1.8T bill from November.

She is making a series of tactical errors, and should be primaried in 2022. We also need to vote her out of Speaker of the House since her negotiation skills are absolutely shiat.

Nancy: "Here's a bill worth $2.2T."
Trump: "How about $1.8T?"
Nancy: "That isn't enough."
Turtle: "How about $900b and you can't sue businesses for not taking safety precautions."
Nancy: "We'll take it!"

What the fark kind of compromise and negotiation skills are those?

Its because you think that Trump and the Turtle are working together, while its more like the Turtle isusing Trump as a useful idiot


Nothing in that says Trump and mitch were working together?

Mnuchin and Pelosi were on a bill that 1.8 trillion.  Pelosi walked away.  I'm sure there are valid reasons for it.... but Mitch had already promised to veto it.  Which means it could have been used as political leverage against mitch.  Or if passed people would've gotten help.

Now we're looking at a bill that is half original amount that doesn't help the people.
 
2020-12-04 6:48:34 PM  

lolmao500: IrateShadow: It gives no direct relief and give McConnell his corporate immunity for COVID infections.

For all the effort he puts into this whole immunity from lawsuit COVID BS... WHY??? Has anyone sued any business because they gave them COVID, killed family members/friends or made them disabled???

If its the case, Ive not seen any example of it... so why in the fark does he wants to do that? Does he thinks that somehow Murica will change overnight and laws for rich and corporate people will matter once more?? He got more faith in people than I have.


Because f*ck the commoners, that's why.
 
2020-12-04 6:49:28 PM  

Gyrfalcon: eddie_irvine: This is a shiat bill, nothing but failed supply side economics. She should walk away.

Because nothing at all is much better than something! People can eat principles for Christmas!


It is nothing. It's just anothe transfer of (future) taxpayer money to millionaires and billionaires. The regular person gets nothing out of this.
 
2020-12-04 6:49:42 PM  

dkulprit: Vlad_the_Inaner: misanthropicsob: vpb: What's asinine about it?  There are a lot of people who need help and would have gotten nothing if she hadn't compromised.

They could have had more if she had called Trump's bluff and supported the $1.8T bill from November.

She is making a series of tactical errors, and should be primaried in 2022. We also need to vote her out of Speaker of the House since her negotiation skills are absolutely shiat.

Nancy: "Here's a bill worth $2.2T."
Trump: "How about $1.8T?"
Nancy: "That isn't enough."
Turtle: "How about $900b and you can't sue businesses for not taking safety precautions."
Nancy: "We'll take it!"

What the fark kind of compromise and negotiation skills are those?

Its because you think that Trump and the Turtle are working together, while its more like the Turtle isusing Trump as a useful idiot

Nothing in that says Trump and mitch were working together?

Mnuchin and Pelosi were on a bill that 1.8 trillion.  Pelosi walked away.  I'm sure there are valid reasons for it.... but Mitch had already promised to veto it.  Which means it could have been used as political leverage against mitch.  Or if passed people would've gotten help.

Now we're looking at a bill that is half original amount that doesn't help the people.


You don't understand how leverage works, do you?
 
2020-12-04 6:50:00 PM  

Conqueror of Bread: This will be the reality for the next 4 years.

Bourgiois democrats do not care about you. They do not care about working people. They will always capitulate to capital and they will always betray your hopes.

Stop relying on any group that continues to support capitalism. They will betray you for the almighty dollar.

The only solution is a protracted peoples movement to establish state socialism with a longterm planned economic transition into communism.

Destroy classes and the state will wither.

Stop expecting the leaders of an empire to willingly dismantle their systems of wealth and power.

I'm not even mad about it anymore. Its expected. I'm just tired of being right about liberals.

Republicans are evil, democrats are enablers of evil.


Start marching, Mao.
 
2020-12-04 6:50:04 PM  
I lost my job immediately (like a week) before the coronavirus cutoff. Haven't received a cent of UI because the company that laid us off used a bunch of technicalities. Got $1200 ths year to live on for the last 9 months. I'm glad for the people this will help but there are a farkton of people in America who do not qualify for UI and get jack shiat from this.

I'm looking at being completely broke and probably out on the street if we don't get some relief. Keep farking around with my life and find out what happens.
 
2020-12-04 6:50:21 PM  
Pelosi eyes combining Covid aid with mammoth spending deal

"There is momentum - there is momentum with the action that the senators and House members in a bipartisan way have taken," Pelosi said Friday, in the latest sign that negotiators are closing in on a deal. "The tone of our conversations is one that is indicative of the decision to get the job done."

President-elect Joe Biden on Friday said he's "encouraged" by the $908 billion proposal, framing it as the type of bipartisan work that he hopes to foster as president. He cautioned that "any package passed in the lame duck session is not going to be enough overall."

But hurdles remain. Government funding runs out in just one week, and there are still a sizable number of issues impeding an agreement on a massive spending package that would increase agency budgets for the rest of the fiscal year.

The sheer number of outstanding items at such a late stage makes it increasingly likely that congressional negotiators will require a brief stopgap spending bill to complete their work before leaving for the holidays. Such a decision could be made early next week if lawmakers fail to make significant progress over the weekend.
 
2020-12-04 6:50:45 PM  

eddie_irvine: Gyrfalcon: eddie_irvine: This is a shiat bill, nothing but failed supply side economics. She should walk away.

Because nothing at all is much better than something! People can eat principles for Christmas!

It is nothing. It's just anothe transfer of (future) taxpayer money to millionaires and billionaires. The regular person gets nothing out of this.


Start marching, Mao.
 
2020-12-04 6:51:01 PM  

Nadie_AZ: austerity101: This. There certainly isn't much Congressional Democrats could have done on the floor in terms of legislation over these past few months, but they could have done way, way more on the ground. I'm still just baffled why Democratic officials aren't on TV and in ads every single day all over the place--there's so much they can do to increase their presence and get their stories out. Tell the people what the Republicans are and aren't doing. Name them. Call them out. Work with activists and grassroots organizations. Shouldn't this all be obvious?

It doesn't help them if they did. I mean it doesn't help their corporate donors. That's how far gone that party is. Neither party represents the working class or the poor. They fail every test given them since 2008.


And this is why f*ck moderates and centrists, honestly.
 
2020-12-04 6:51:02 PM  
I swear, fark every one of you morons that see the bullshiat the GOP is pulling and whine "why won't the democrats just COMMMPROMISE."

These same people turn around and biatch about how the Democrats are weak and that they won't fight.

You dumbfarks are the reason Mitch is constantly smiling, because for some stupid reason when a rapist has a gun to your head and tells you he won't kill if you don't fight, your response is "hmm, that's a fair compromise."
 
2020-12-04 6:51:30 PM  
I like how everyone in this thread pretends like the options were this bill or something better and the Democrats went with this one because reasons, instead of acknowledging the reality that the options were this bill or nothing because two of three levers are under GOP control at the moment.
 
2020-12-04 6:51:47 PM  

Gyrfalcon: eddie_irvine: Gyrfalcon: eddie_irvine: This is a shiat bill, nothing but failed supply side economics. She should walk away.

Because nothing at all is much better than something! People can eat principles for Christmas!

It is nothing. It's just anothe transfer of (future) taxpayer money to millionaires and billionaires. The regular person gets nothing out of this.

Start marching, Mao.


Sure thing, Hitler!
 
2020-12-04 6:53:21 PM  

Thrag: Are we just making up bullshiat in the headlines to create infighting threads now? I mean the linked tweet says nothing but that Pelosi is pushing again for a stimulus, not that she's capitulating to republican demands. There's also the fact Pelosi and the house already passed a bill in March. It's in the Senate's hands now. Not hers.


That bill is dead on arrival in Senate.  This is a new one....

https://fortune.com/2020/12/01/second​-​stimulus-update-senate-covid-checks-en​hanced-unemployment-benefits/

And Pelosi is backing it.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/02/congr​e​ssional-leaders-.html
 
2020-12-04 6:53:50 PM  

qorkfiend: I like how everyone in this thread pretends like the options were this bill or something better and the Democrats went with this one because reasons, instead of acknowledging the reality that the options were this bill or nothing because two of three levers are under GOP control at the moment.


We don't talk about layers and nuance here, friend.  We barely know those people.
 
2020-12-04 6:53:51 PM  

lordjupiter: I'm going to give your boss $100, but because he's a crook he's probably going to give you a dollar at most.

I'm going to give your boss $50 and he must sign a contract promising to give you at least $25.


Which deal is worth more to you?


Which will pass the senate? Which will the shiatgibbon sign? Sometimes nothing is better than something shiatty.
 
2020-12-04 6:53:53 PM  

eddie_irvine: Gyrfalcon: eddie_irvine: Gyrfalcon: eddie_irvine: This is a shiat bill, nothing but failed supply side economics. She should walk away.

Because nothing at all is much better than something! People can eat principles for Christmas!

It is nothing. It's just anothe transfer of (future) taxpayer money to millionaires and billionaires. The regular person gets nothing out of this.

Start marching, Mao.

Sure thing, Hitler!


No, but seriously, what does a bill that does nothing to help the problem have to do with Chinese communism?
 
2020-12-04 6:54:29 PM  

qorkfiend: I like how everyone in this thread pretends like the options were this bill or something better and the Democrats went with this one because reasons, instead of acknowledging the reality that the options were this bill or nothing because two of three levers are under GOP control at the moment.


Hey, now.  Everything everywhere is the Democrats' fault. Duuuuuh.

Just like, on January 21st, every American death from Covid (285,389 SO FAR) will be Biden's fault.

Quite a handy trick the t(R)aitors have, if ya' want to be honest.
 
2020-12-04 6:55:39 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: TheOtherGuy: Don't charactarize it as a mistake?  Okay, how about malfeasance?  Dereliction of duty?  Contempt of Congress and the Constitution?  Crimes Against Humanity?  Am I getting warmer, you psychopathic coont?

Mitch still has no bill written or passed in his chamber.

And for that I blame Nancy Pelosi.


If you're being sarcastic, I'm happy to have Mitch's charges filed first.  They're longer, anyway, but not by much.
 
2020-12-04 6:56:01 PM  
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2020-12-04 6:56:34 PM  

qorkfiend: I like how everyone in this thread pretends like the options were this bill or something better and the Democrats went with this one because reasons, instead of acknowledging the reality that the options were this bill or nothing because two of three levers are under GOP control at the moment.


I know it is your thing but don't be a complete tool.
The amount of money being given to Americans isn't useful to anyone.
It is like that guy who offers a McDonalds cheeseburger to a hooker for services.
The only ones that get relief again are the companies that paying politicians to not have to contribute to out society with taxes.
 
2020-12-04 6:56:36 PM  

eddie_irvine: eddie_irvine: Gyrfalcon: eddie_irvine: Gyrfalcon: eddie_irvine: This is a shiat bill, nothing but failed supply side economics. She should walk away.

Because nothing at all is much better than something! People can eat principles for Christmas!

It is nothing. It's just anothe transfer of (future) taxpayer money to millionaires and billionaires. The regular person gets nothing out of this.

Start marching, Mao.

Sure thing, Hitler!

No, but seriously, what does a bill that does nothing to help the problem have to do with Chinese communism?


He's just angry and lashing out because his politics are empty and his spine is missing.

We ought to be marching.

But first we have to decide to stand in solidarity together. And bourgiois liberals are too fat and comfortable to get off the couch and stand for something.

Why march when you can fark?
 
2020-12-04 6:57:47 PM  
Pelosi is literally admitting she's agreeing to give the republicans what they want in their version before the new president and congress is sworn in and the democrats have a chance of getting what they want. The republicans are only moving on this now because they fear the democrats could get their version passed without republican support so they're offering this turd pile and Nancy is there to scoop it up and call it a big win for the democrats. In reality this will serve as the final excuse for the GOP to say, been there, did that and enough democrats will go along with it to kill any future chance of a better bill.

I'm just farking tired of this. I'd rather the democrats fight and take chances and fail than to just surrender immediately out of custom.
 
2020-12-04 6:57:57 PM  
Let's negotiate.

I have something you want.
You have nothing I want.

Make me an offer.
 
2020-12-04 6:58:34 PM  
farking fight for something, for once.

No, I'm not talking about Pelosi.

Grow a spine and expect more from your representatives.
 
2020-12-04 6:58:41 PM  

qorkfiend: Stibium: Mikey1969: vpb: What's asinine about it?  There are a lot of people who need help and would have gotten nothing if she hadn't compromised.

Because almost nobody here understands the word "compromise".

I don't think it serves the public to compromise and give corporations immunity for doing nothing to protect its employees. But maybe I can change my mind if Pelosi says corporations can have a few more trillion, no strings attached?

/that last part is sarcastic

How much does "zero relief" serve the public?


If people were more engaged they might be so vocally outraged that the immunity gets cut AND the stimulus gets increased anyway. This isn't a "compromise-or-nothing" unless Pelosi wants it to be.
 
2020-12-04 7:00:03 PM  

Znuh: You can biatch about Pelosi all you want; everything we're experiencing is entirely on McConnell's shoulders. How many drafts of this have we had? All refused by Dicknose McRusskie?


Then she should say that, instead of that this is a success.
 
2020-12-04 7:00:38 PM  

qorkfiend: Let's negotiate.

I have something you want.
You have nothing I want.

Make me an offer.


Here's the offer that should be made.

"We've got pitchforks and torches. Give us what we need or we will give you the wall.
No, not that wall..."
 
2020-12-04 7:01:37 PM  

Stibium: qorkfiend: Stibium: Mikey1969: vpb: What's asinine about it?  There are a lot of people who need help and would have gotten nothing if she hadn't compromised.

Because almost nobody here understands the word "compromise".

I don't think it serves the public to compromise and give corporations immunity for doing nothing to protect its employees. But maybe I can change my mind if Pelosi says corporations can have a few more trillion, no strings attached?

/that last part is sarcastic

How much does "zero relief" serve the public?

If people were more engaged they might be so vocally outraged that the immunity gets cut AND the stimulus gets increased anyway. This isn't a "compromise-or-nothing" unless Pelosi wants it to be.


Ah, right. It's Pelosi's fault that other people don't pay attention. Or do they? Perhaps you'll recall the election a month ago and the results in the House.

If it's not "compromise-or-nothing", then what is it? I assume you're not stupid enough to believe "everything-or-nothing" is an option on the menu.
 
2020-12-04 7:01:49 PM  

Conqueror of Bread: This will be the reality for the next 4 years.

Bourgiois democrats do not care about you. They do not care about working people. They will always capitulate to capital and they will always betray your hopes.

Stop relying on any group that continues to support capitalism. They will betray you for the almighty dollar.

The only solution is a protracted peoples movement to establish state socialism with a longterm planned economic transition into communism.

Destroy classes and the state will wither.

Stop expecting the leaders of an empire to willingly dismantle their systems of wealth and power.

I'm not even mad about it anymore. Its expected. I'm just tired of being right about liberals.

Republicans are evil, democrats are enablers of evil.


What's the list of demands, Reg?
 
2020-12-04 7:02:05 PM  

Nonpo: Pelosi is literally admitting she's agreeing to give the republicans what they want in their version before the new president and congress is sworn in and the democrats have a chance of getting what they want. The republicans are only moving on this now because they fear the democrats could get their version passed without republican support so they're offering this turd pile and Nancy is there to scoop it up and call it a big win for the democrats. In reality this will serve as the final excuse for the GOP to say, been there, did that and enough democrats will go along with it to kill any future chance of a better bill.

I'm just farking tired of this. I'd rather the democrats fight and take chances and fail than to just surrender immediately out of custom.


Here's a run down of the sum total of the discussion:

The people:  Hey lots of us are dying and millions of us are about to literally starve to death or homeless if we don't get some support.  We need something, anything.

Republicans: Heh, we're not going to give shiat.  Die you poors.

Dems:  fark, the republicans aren't going to give us shiat, but like, millions of people are literally going to die or be homeless if they don't get help.  We gotta do something, anything.

Republicans:  Enjoy your breadcrumbs.

Pelsoi: shiat, this is awful, but it's something.

The people:  You should've held out longer, in the meantime getting us no relief even when we literally told you we needed help right way.  You suck at negotiating.

That brings us to present day.
 
2020-12-04 7:02:29 PM  

Conqueror of Bread: But first we have to decide to stand in solidarity together. And bourgiois liberals are too fat and comfortable to get off the couch and stand for something.


This coming from someone who sits around all day on Fark and talks tough.

Seriously, why should we take someone like yourself the least bit serious?  Or do you see being an ITG as a redeeming quality?
 
2020-12-04 7:03:32 PM  

Conqueror of Bread: qorkfiend: Let's negotiate.

I have something you want.
You have nothing I want.

Make me an offer.

Here's the offer that should be made.

"We've got pitchforks and torches. Give us what we need or we will give you the wall.
No, not that wall..."


Yeah, right.

You actually taking physical action against the government?  Please, don't make me laugh.

You'll sit on your couch and tell everyone else to go and do it.  You won't get up off your ass to do a thing.
 
2020-12-04 7:03:43 PM  

quiotu: IrateShadow: We're farked either way, but doubly so if this garbage bill passes.  It gives no direct relief and give McConnell his corporate immunity for COVID infections.  The direct result will be that nothing further will pass and the public will be told to get back to work with no recourse or go homeless.

You assume Mitch will let this pass... or that Trump will sign it.


If it removes corporate liability, it will pass. That's all Mitch cares about. And Dump will sign, take credit for it being awesome, and blame dems for it being not enough.
 
2020-12-04 7:03:52 PM  
Americans are too stupid, they voted for more republicans in the house and left it the same in the senate.

This country is farking done. Theres no way we get back to sanity without a lot of people dying. 275 000 dead from covid, 200 000+ dead from the opiod crisis and millions dead from shiatty/lack of health care wasnt enough to send a message to the average person, apparently, itll take a full real-life history course where millions are jailed and tortured, tens of millions sent into homelessness and abject poverty and millions more are killed by the government before people realize how farking evil the GOP and their corporate overlords are and no amount of alcohol, weed and netflix will be able to make people ignore the reality or forget about it.

/this country is entering the end portion of the collapse and people are still in farking denial
//biden is pretty much farked no matter what he does
 
2020-12-04 7:04:10 PM  

Conqueror of Bread: qorkfiend: Let's negotiate.

I have something you want.
You have nothing I want.

Make me an offer.

Here's the offer that should be made.

"We've got pitchforks and torches. Give us what we need or we will give you the wall.
No, not that wall..."


Ok, cool. I don't see any of those around right now so we can wait until they show up. (Side note: this may have been more effective before the election showed that the GOP's COVID response is very far from the anchor you think it is.)

By the way, I've got my own pitchforks and torches.
 
2020-12-04 7:05:00 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: Conqueror of Bread: But first we have to decide to stand in solidarity together. And bourgiois liberals are too fat and comfortable to get off the couch and stand for something.

This coming from someone who sits around all day on Fark and talks tough.

Seriously, why should we take someone like yourself the least bit serious?  Or do you see being an ITG as a redeeming quality?


You shouldn't. You should take people who are out there every day fighting for a revolution seriously.

I'm just some guy on fark. I'm not looking to start a movement.

Read marx. Read Lenin. Read Mao.

Join a union. Join the IWW.

Work local. If you're in my area you'll end up working with me without even knowing it.
 
2020-12-04 7:06:16 PM  
gadian:

If the breadcrumbs aren't even enough to sustain life for one more day for the people starving, then it is a meaningless token gesture and if it's combined with lawsuit immunity and/or corporate welfare it's practically a declaration of war on the poor.
 
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