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2020-12-04 1:25:08 PM  
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2020-12-04 4:38:12 PM  
I guess that a shiat stimulus is better than no stimulus at all. But, it has to pass the senate and get signed by Donny. Soooo...it will be "no stimulus".
 
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2020-12-04 4:39:13 PM  
What's asinine about it?  There are a lot of people who need help and would have gotten nothing if she hadn't compromised.
 
2020-12-04 4:51:41 PM  

vpb: What's asinine about it?  There are a lot of people who need help and would have gotten nothing if she hadn't compromised.


A lot of people who can't be bothered to vote in down-ticket races will be along shortly to explain how Pelosi should have used mystical parliamentary procedures to somehow enact a bill without the Senate for reasons.
 
2020-12-04 5:11:00 PM  
Is immunity for businesses being half-ass about Covid Protections still in it?  Seems like that has always been the sticking point more then how much was being spent.
 
2020-12-04 5:21:24 PM  

TomDooley: Is immunity for businesses being half-ass about Covid Protections still in it?  Seems like that has always been the sticking point more then how much was being spent.


As it should be. It should be dead.

Interesting stalemate. The 2 parties can't seem to get anything done. The people are suffering. They have been suffering since April (although, let's be honest: the people have been hurting for decades). What could the leader of the party of the working class do?

She could have harnessed BLM this summer to push through more help for people. They had the neofascist gangster in his bunker at one point. They had real power. She could have led or pushed Biden to lead a mass demand by the working classes.

250 million people struck and protested in India this week. THIS gets shiat done when the leaders won't.

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2020-12-04 5:30:59 PM  

vpb: What's asinine about it?  There are a lot of people who need help and would have gotten nothing if she hadn't compromised.


And by nothing you mean all the GOP-connected grifters who stole billions in taxpayers money?
 
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2020-12-04 6:03:04 PM  

lolmao500: vpb: What's asinine about it?  There are a lot of people who need help and would have gotten nothing if she hadn't compromised.

And by nothing you mean all the GOP-connected grifters who stole billions in taxpayers money?


Them and the ordinary people who are unemployed.
 
2020-12-04 6:21:59 PM  
This is a shiat bill, nothing but failed supply side economics. She should walk away.
 
2020-12-04 6:22:24 PM  

vpb: lolmao500: vpb: What's asinine about it?  There are a lot of people who need help and would have gotten nothing if she hadn't compromised.

And by nothing you mean all the GOP-connected grifters who stole billions in taxpayers money?

Them and the ordinary people who are unemployed.


So... youre alright with giving the grifters like $500 billion to give legitimate people like $50 billion?
 
2020-12-04 6:24:26 PM  
Thanks, Bernie.
 
2020-12-04 6:24:36 PM  

Nadie_AZ: TomDooley: Is immunity for businesses being half-ass about Covid Protections still in it?  Seems like that has always been the sticking point more then how much was being spent.

As it should be. It should be dead.

Interesting stalemate. The 2 parties can't seem to get anything done. The people are suffering. They have been suffering since April (although, let's be honest: the people have been hurting for decades). What could the leader of the party of the working class do?

She could have harnessed BLM this summer to push through more help for people. They had the neofascist gangster in his bunker at one point. They had real power. She could have led or pushed Biden to lead a mass demand by the working classes.

250 million people struck and protested in India this week. THIS gets shiat done when the leaders won't.

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you're delusional.  it's a pleasant delusion, but it is a delusion.
 
2020-12-04 6:25:26 PM  

vpb: What's asinine about it?  There are a lot of people who need help and would have gotten nothing if she hadn't compromised.


Because almost nobody here understands the word "compromise".
 
2020-12-04 6:25:34 PM  
You can biatch about Pelosi all you want; everything we're experiencing is entirely on McConnell's shoulders. How many drafts of this have we had? All refused by Dicknose McRusskie?
 
2020-12-04 6:25:36 PM  
Guys, you don't have to defend it.  Join us.  C'mon.
 
2020-12-04 6:26:21 PM  
This is great.
Now that the stock market has hit 3000, another hand out to Wall Street( while throwing dimes at the citizens) will prevent the fund managers from watching their love drop somewhat.
 
2020-12-04 6:26:34 PM  

iheartscotch: I guess that a shiat stimulus is better than no stimulus at all. But, it has to pass the senate and get signed by Donny. Soooo...it will be "no stimulus".


I disagree. If the republicans have their way, it will only be payments to corporations.  Not paying them as already owns everything even more tax money is better than a one time check that doesn't even cover rent.
 
2020-12-04 6:26:48 PM  
Timeline for massive year-end bill slipping

Congressional leaders plan to introduce a one-week stopgap funding bill running through Dec. 18, according to aides familiar with the decision who asked for anonymity.

The move comes as it became apparent the current Dec. 11 government funding deadline wasn't feasible, with more work needed both on coronavirus relief deal and the underlying omnibus appropriations package. The two chambers will instead take up the one-week interim bill next week as negotiations continue.

"I was hopeful we'd accomplish those objectives by next Thursday," House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer, D-Md., said on the floor Friday. "Unfortunately, things are not moving as rapidly as I think they ought to."

Leaders on both sides of the aisle don't want to leave town for the year without completing work on a COVID-19 aid package, and they need the omnibus spending bill for a vehicle.

...

But negotiations have been tied up for weeks over a myriad of funding and policy disputes between the two parties.

Chief among them are funding for a southern border wall, immigration detention beds, police restrictions, and how to classify money needed for veterans health care.


Lot of moving parts need to come together before the dick sucking starts.

Also...border wall? Really? We're still doing that? jfc.
 
2020-12-04 6:27:56 PM  
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Mitch McConnell - farking up America for a decade and getting you to blame Democrats for it.
 
2020-12-04 6:28:10 PM  
"Scientifically get people food on the table?" Good god, you leftists truly ARE monsters!

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2020-12-04 6:28:20 PM  
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2020-12-04 6:29:13 PM  

vpb: What's asinine about it?  There are a lot of people who need help and would have gotten nothing if she hadn't compromised.


They could have had more if she had called Trump's bluff and supported the $1.8T bill from November.

She is making a series of tactical errors, and should be primaried in 2022. We also need to vote her out of Speaker of the House since her negotiation skills are absolutely shiat.

Nancy: "Here's a bill worth $2.2T."
Trump: "How about $1.8T?"
Nancy: "That isn't enough."
Turtle: "How about $900b and you can't sue businesses for not taking safety precautions."
Nancy: "We'll take it!"

What the fark kind of compromise and negotiation skills are those?
 
2020-12-04 6:31:27 PM  
Dems sure love capitulating to Republicans.

This is indefensible.
 
2020-12-04 6:31:29 PM  
You can in fact state that it's a shiat situation while also realizing that waiting until January to try this will leave thousands homeless and a good number dead... for the holidays.

The GOP being worse assholes doesn't make you not an asshole. I don't like it, but I'm not an entitled shiat willing to let tens of thousands suffer to be greedy.

We didn't get the numbers we wanted in the Senate to be pushy. Acting like we did makes you look like a moron.
 
2020-12-04 6:31:55 PM  

misanthropicsob: vpb: What's asinine about it?  There are a lot of people who need help and would have gotten nothing if she hadn't compromised.

They could have had more if she had called Trump's bluff and supported the $1.8T bill from November.

She is making a series of tactical errors, and should be primaried in 2022. We also need to vote her out of Speaker of the House since her negotiation skills are absolutely shiat.

Nancy: "Here's a bill worth $2.2T."
Trump: "How about $1.8T?"
Nancy: "That isn't enough."
Turtle: "How about $900b and you can't sue businesses for not taking safety precautions."
Nancy: "We'll take it!"

What the fark kind of compromise and negotiation skills are those?


We finally found someone with worst negotiation skills than trump.
 
2020-12-04 6:32:39 PM  

misanthropicsob: vpb: What's asinine about it?  There are a lot of people who need help and would have gotten nothing if she hadn't compromised.

They could have had more if she had called Trump's bluff and supported the $1.8T bill from November.

She is making a series of tactical errors, and should be primaried in 2022. We also need to vote her out of Speaker of the House since her negotiation skills are absolutely shiat.

Nancy: "Here's a bill worth $2.2T."
Trump: "How about $1.8T?"
Nancy: "That isn't enough."
Turtle: "How about $900b and you can't sue businesses for not taking safety precautions."
Nancy: "We'll take it!"

What the fark kind of compromise and negotiation skills are those?


That is the game and how we are played.
Biden is already floating how we need to reach out to Republicans in order to pass conservative legislation because they are mad about tweets.
It doesn't matter the excuse, just blame republicans for pushing laws their donors want.
 
2020-12-04 6:32:53 PM  
We're farked either way, but doubly so if this garbage bill passes.  It gives no direct relief and give McConnell his corporate immunity for COVID infections.  The direct result will be that nothing further will pass and the public will be told to get back to work with no recourse or go homeless.
 
2020-12-04 6:33:20 PM  

misanthropicsob: vpb: What's asinine about it?  There are a lot of people who need help and would have gotten nothing if she hadn't compromised.

They could have had more if she had called Trump's bluff and supported the $1.8T bill from November.

She is making a series of tactical errors, and should be primaried in 2022. We also need to vote her out of Speaker of the House since her negotiation skills are absolutely shiat.

Nancy: "Here's a bill worth $2.2T."
Trump: "How about $1.8T?"
Nancy: "That isn't enough."
Turtle: "How about $900b and you can't sue businesses for not taking safety precautions."
Nancy: "We'll take it!"

What the fark kind of compromise and negotiation skills are those?


Consider:  Nancy IS a good negotiator, but her goals are more aligned with other career lawmaker Republicans' than with any of America's 328 million small folk, as GoT called us.
 
2020-12-04 6:34:09 PM  

Znuh: You can biatch about Pelosi all you want; everything we're experiencing is entirely on McConnell's shoulders. How many drafts of this have we had? All refused by Dicknose McRusskie?


I know what I would kinda like to call him, but I'd probably get treated like Dr Psycho from Harley Quinn animated, instead of like Billy Butcher from The Boys.
 
2020-12-04 6:35:43 PM  

Mikey1969: vpb: What's asinine about it?  There are a lot of people who need help and would have gotten nothing if she hadn't compromised.

Because almost nobody here understands the word "compromise".


Oh, we understand compromise.  We have millions of people who are unemployed and living under the poverty line, the GOP just put us 10 trillion into debt to give tax breaks to the wealthy, so we're supposed to take about 150$ per person in the country while those rich who already just got breaks and money from government?

Compromise is:

"We want 2,000$/person"

"No, 1,000$ only. "

"Ok, meet in middle 1,500$"

Not:

"We want 2,000 for each and every person."

"Nope, were going to give 1 trillion to businesses, make them immune from liability and the people get 150$."

"Ok.  That works."

That's not a compromise.  That's getting walked over.
 
2020-12-04 6:36:22 PM  

IrateShadow: We're farked either way, but doubly so if this garbage bill passes.  It gives no direct relief and give McConnell his corporate immunity for COVID infections.  The direct result will be that nothing further will pass and the public will be told to get back to work with no recourse or go homeless.


You assume Mitch will let this pass... or that Trump will sign it.
 
2020-12-04 6:37:26 PM  

eddie_irvine: This is a shiat bill, nothing but failed supply side economics. She should walk away.


Because nothing at all is much better than something! People can eat principles for Christmas!
 
2020-12-04 6:37:55 PM  
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2020-12-04 6:39:29 PM  

misanthropicsob: vpb: What's asinine about it?  There are a lot of people who need help and would have gotten nothing if she hadn't compromised.

They could have had more if she had called Trump's bluff and supported the $1.8T bill from November.

She is making a series of tactical errors, and should be primaried in 2022. We also need to vote her out of Speaker of the House since her negotiation skills are absolutely shiat.

Nancy: "Here's a bill worth $2.2T."
Trump: "How about $1.8T?"
Nancy: "That isn't enough."
Turtle: "How about $900b and you can't sue businesses for not taking safety precautions."
Nancy: "We'll take it!"

What the fark kind of compromise and negotiation skills are those?


Its because you think that Trump and the Turtle are working together, while its more like the Turtle isusing Trump as a useful idiot
 
2020-12-04 6:39:30 PM  
Are we just making up bullshiat in the headlines to create infighting threads now? I mean the linked tweet says nothing but that Pelosi is pushing again for a stimulus, not that she's capitulating to republican demands. There's also the fact Pelosi and the house already passed a bill in March. It's in the Senate's hands now. Not hers.
 
2020-12-04 6:39:51 PM  
I'm going to give your boss $100, but because he's a crook he's probably going to give you a dollar at most.

I'm going to give your boss $50 and he must sign a contract promising to give you at least $25.


Which deal is worth more to you?
 
2020-12-04 6:39:56 PM  
Well, PBS Newshour is being obnoxious today. Their interviewers keep saying that the deficit is "now reaching uprecendented levels" and "unheard of levels" instead of saying that the deficit reached those levels months ago under president Trump. They're basically setting it up as a problem that is suddenly upon the USA and they've limited it to conversations about Biden. The Dems are already being painted into a spending corner.
 
2020-12-04 6:40:07 PM  

misanthropicsob: vpb: What's asinine about it?  There are a lot of people who need help and would have gotten nothing if she hadn't compromised.

They could have had more if she had called Trump's bluff and supported the $1.8T bill from November.

She is making a series of tactical errors, and should be primaried in 2022. We also need to vote her out of Speaker of the House since her negotiation skills are absolutely shiat.

Nancy: "Here's a bill worth $2.2T."
Trump: "How about $1.8T?"
Nancy: "That isn't enough."
Turtle: "How about $900b and you can't sue businesses for not taking safety precautions."
Nancy: "We'll take it!"

What the fark kind of compromise and negotiation skills are those?


The Turtle was never on board with the $1.8 trillion dollar bill (nor $1.2 trillion) and Pelosi knew it.  He's the main one you need to negotiate with, not Trump.  Trump will sign anything that is popular (or at least he would prior to the election).
 
2020-12-04 6:40:50 PM  
Don't charactarize it as a mistake?  Okay, how about malfeasance?  Dereliction of duty?  Contempt of Congress and the Constitution?  Crimes Against Humanity?  Am I getting warmer, you psychopathic coont?
 
2020-12-04 6:40:58 PM  
For fark's sake.  Stimulus and unemployment or GFTO.

Literally nothing else about a potential relief bill matters more right now.
 
2020-12-04 6:41:48 PM  
My personal observation is that the people who seem to be saying "kill the covid liability for businesses" are the same people who say things like "If you don't like receiving substandard safety equipment or being sexually assaulted by your boss, just go work somewhere else, gosh".  It's not 100% but there is a very large overlap.
 
2020-12-04 6:42:00 PM  

IrateShadow: It gives no direct relief and give McConnell his corporate immunity for COVID infections.


For all the effort he puts into this whole immunity from lawsuit COVID BS... WHY??? Has anyone sued any business because they gave them COVID, killed family members/friends or made them disabled???

If its the case, Ive not seen any example of it... so why in the fark does he wants to do that? Does he thinks that somehow Murica will change overnight and laws for rich and corporate people will matter once more?? He got more faith in people than I have.
 
2020-12-04 6:42:08 PM  

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Pandemic and Corporate influence on our Government.
 
2020-12-04 6:42:26 PM  

Mikey1969: vpb: What's asinine about it?  There are a lot of people who need help and would have gotten nothing if she hadn't compromised.

Because almost nobody here understands the word "compromise".


I don't think it serves the public to compromise and give corporations immunity for doing nothing to protect its employees. But maybe I can change my mind if Pelosi says corporations can have a few more trillion, no strings attached?

/that last part is sarcastic
 
2020-12-04 6:42:37 PM  

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I wonder if that chinless wonder on the right will ever realize he is the poster child for Ignorance Is Bliss?
 
2020-12-04 6:42:40 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Well, PBS Newshour is being obnoxious today. Their interviewers keep saying that the deficit is "now reaching uprecendented levels" and "unheard of levels" instead of saying that the deficit reached those levels months ago under president Trump. They're basically setting it up as a problem that is suddenly upon the USA and they've limited it to conversations about Biden. The Dems are already being painted into a spending corner.


Inflation is low.  The US dollar is the world's Reserve Currency, which means demand for it is higher than it should be, which means we can deficit spend even more without causing high inflation than we normally should be able to.  Spend away, you morons.
 
2020-12-04 6:43:05 PM  

Nadie_AZ: TomDooley: Is immunity for businesses being half-ass about Covid Protections still in it?  Seems like that has always been the sticking point more then how much was being spent.

As it should be. It should be dead.

Interesting stalemate. The 2 parties can't seem to get anything done. The people are suffering. They have been suffering since April (although, let's be honest: the people have been hurting for decades). What could the leader of the party of the working class do?

She could have harnessed BLM this summer to push through more help for people. They had the neofascist gangster in his bunker at one point. They had real power. She could have led or pushed Biden to lead a mass demand by the working classes.

250 million people struck and protested in India this week. THIS gets shiat done when the leaders won't.

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This.  There certainly isn't much Congressional Democrats could have done on the floor in terms of legislation over these past few months, but they could have done way, way more on the ground.  I'm still just baffled why Democratic officials aren't on TV and in ads every single day all over the place--there's so much they can do to increase their presence and get their stories out.  Tell the people what the Republicans are and aren't doing.  Name them.  Call them out.  Work with activists and grassroots organizations.  Shouldn't this all be obvious?
 
2020-12-04 6:43:42 PM  

lolmao500: IrateShadow: It gives no direct relief and give McConnell his corporate immunity for COVID infections.

For all the effort he puts into this whole immunity from lawsuit COVID BS... WHY??? Has anyone sued any business because they gave them COVID, killed family members/friends or made them disabled???

If its the case, Ive not seen any example of it... so why in the fark does he wants to do that? Does he thinks that somehow Murica will change overnight and laws for rich and corporate people will matter once more?? He got more faith in people than I have.


Perhaps it is the start of the roll back of OSHA.
 
2020-12-04 6:43:43 PM  

TheOtherGuy: Don't charactarize it as a mistake?  Okay, how about malfeasance?  Dereliction of duty?  Contempt of Congress and the Constitution?  Crimes Against Humanity?  Am I getting warmer, you psychopathic coont?


Mitch still has no bill written or passed in his chamber.

And for that I blame Nancy Pelosi.
 
2020-12-04 6:43:47 PM  

lolmao500: IrateShadow: It gives no direct relief and give McConnell his corporate immunity for COVID infections.

For all the effort he puts into this whole immunity from lawsuit COVID BS... WHY??? Has anyone sued any business because they gave them COVID, killed family members/friends or made them disabled???

If its the case, Ive not seen any example of it... so why in the fark does he wants to do that? Does he thinks that somehow Murica will change overnight and laws for rich and corporate people will matter once more?? He got more faith in people than I have.


I've seen some bills saying that the lack of such lawsuits is causing some Republican Senators (not the Turtle, at least not yet) to back away from needing this to be part of the stimulus bill.
 
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