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(Politico)   In Burdick v. United States, 236 U.S. 79 (1915), the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a pardon carries an imputation of guilt, and acceptance carries a confession   (politico.com) divider line
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2020-12-04 4:18:36 PM  
18 votes:
just remember the next president can revoke a pardon granted by the last.
checkmix
 
2020-12-04 10:48:30 PM  
3 votes:
It was established that you can't prove your innocence after accepting a pardon in Bear Anus v. Woods.
 
2020-12-04 11:46:10 PM  
2 votes:

namegoeshere: vudukungfu: just remember the next president can revoke a pardon granted by the last.
checkmix

Is this true?


It's true. This man has no dick.
 
2020-12-04 11:18:52 PM  
2 votes:
Wow. We were on safer ground when we were discussing the Middle East.

Suffice it to say that if Trump* pardons himself there will be a massive legal cluster Fark. Arguing will occur, yelling even. Fists will pound desks and fingers will be wagged and pointed. Pundits will weigh in and nuts will prove once more that they are indeed nuts.
And during this confusion many bank transfers will be made and one-way tickets purchased.
 
2020-12-04 10:03:50 PM  
2 votes:
Do you lose your right to vote if you accept a pardon?
 
2020-12-04 9:53:50 PM  
2 votes:

abb3w: vudukungfu: just remember the next president can revoke a pardon granted by the last

(No, he can't. The next president can, however, refuse to deliver it to the recipient if the recipient has not obtained it, thereby nullifying the effect.)


Be a downright shame if there was something wrong with the mail mail mail mail mail mail mail mail.

/been drinking
//love Tex Avery
///who doesn't?
 
2020-12-04 7:08:17 PM  
2 votes:
Yar.  It's not a "clean slate".  It means you admit you did all the bad stuff you were convicted of but you're not getting punished for it.  It's still on your record, like convicted felon Dinesh D'Sousa.
 
2020-12-05 2:02:55 AM  
1 vote:

qorkfiend: HideAndGoFarkYourself: MaliFinn: Pardons are only exercised after conviction.  Also, pardons are an admission of guilt and are a great basis for suing someone into the poorhouse.

Tell that to Nixon.

There's so much disinformation about pardons going around that I'm beginning to think pardons, HIPAA and Section 230 are outside the realm of understanding fir any human person.

Ah, well the dirty secret of the Nixon pardon is that it wasn't ever exercised. No one ever actually charged Nixon so he never actually had to try and use it.


Ding!

Also dirty secret of the Nixon pardon is that after the release of the Nixon tapes, everyone knew he was in it up to his shifty eyebrows. He was done. Ford's pardon essentially forestalled a fait accompli in the courtroom--Nixon was guilty, there was zero question; he also wouldn't have been able to get a fair trial anywhere in the solar system. All the pardon did was quash another decade of legal wrangling.
 
2020-12-04 11:17:27 PM  
1 vote:

Mugato: Why do we even have a presidential pardon?


because its not illegal when the president does it GOD HAVENT U BEEN PAYING ATTENTION THE LAST 250 HEARS

/WHY DO I EVEN BOTHER
 
2020-12-04 10:05:15 PM  
1 vote:
Why do we even have a presidential pardon?
 
2020-12-04 10:02:51 PM  
1 vote:
"Imputation of guilt" does not mean "they did it."

People really ought to first examine the definition of "impute" and then read the actual Burdick decision. Burdick wasn't going to get the same protection by a vague pardon as he would have gotten with a more specific immunity deal, and that's why he did not accept it. The fact that it "makes you look guilty" was secondary, and was not part of the original question brought to SCOTUS, which was whether or not you could force a pardon on someone. The imputation of guilt is immaterial to that decision, so it carries little weight for future consideration.

Furthermore, if such a thing were actually true, and not just a feature of public perception, why would it even be written into the Constitution? To say "a pardon means you are definitely guilty" would imply that truly innocent people cannot be pardoned; how could you be innocent if you accept a pardon?
 
2020-12-04 9:49:12 PM  
1 vote:

abb3w: It only so caries in re politica, not de jure.


I saw someone explain that it counts only if you *use* it. So if you've been convicted and accept the pardon to get out of jail, you admit guilt, but if you're being investigated and they pack it in because you have the pardon in your pocket so it'd waste their time to continue, you admit nothing.

I read this on the internet though so while it seems reasonable, it should be taken aporopriately
 
2020-12-04 9:44:00 PM  
1 vote:

MaliFinn: Pardons are only exercised after conviction.  Also, pardons are an admission of guilt and are a great basis for suing someone into the poorhouse.


Tell that to Nixon.

There's so much disinformation about pardons going around that I'm beginning to think pardons, HIPAA and Section 230 are outside the realm of understanding fir any human person.
 
2020-12-04 9:39:34 PM  
1 vote:

Jake Havechek: Yar.  It's not a "clean slate".  It means you admit you did all the bad stuff you were convicted of but you're not getting punished for it.  It's still on your record, like convicted felon Dinesh D'Sousa.


Wouldn't that also open you up to being unable to defend against civil suits?
 
2020-12-04 9:39:02 PM  
1 vote:
I'd love to hear Biden say something along the lines of "If Trump can pardon himself and his family, then I'm allowed to do the same". The GOP would lose their shiat.
 
2020-12-04 9:34:55 PM  
1 vote:
Every accusation pardon is a confession
 
2020-12-04 7:13:29 PM  
1 vote:

vudukungfu: just remember the next president can revoke a pardon granted by the last.
checkmix


Is this true?
 
2020-12-04 4:12:25 PM  
1 vote:
Hard to run for president when hiding out in Switzerland or Russia.
 
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