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(Daily Express)   US General Mark A. Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warns 'next Pearl Harbor' will probably be fought in space, also says Germans won't be so lucky this time (possible nsfw content on page)   (express.co.uk) divider line
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2020-12-04 12:46:44 PM  

Mr. Breeze: cendojr: Mr. Breeze: You're probably right both about Trump and about nudging the AF to make space ops more joint. However the AF resistance to providing CAS doesn't give them a good track record, so I wouldn't trust them to help out the other branches. Yes SF is small now, but it'll grow as they absorb space operations from other branches.

Oh their CAS mentality is HAWT GARBAGE, and their helicopter logistics planning want much better when I used their software.  The rotor section of the Air Tasking Order was a 24hr block 5k and below labeled "here be helicopters." Even with absorbing all the other services space stuff, they're still a 1-star command, though.  There's just not enough of a mission for a separate service.

I think it could be enough. Aside from satellite control, tracking, and protection you have to consider jamming, anti-jamming, OPIR, SAR, GPS, GPS protection, missile warning, missile defense, and everything that feeds it. Not to mention future capabilities, protection of commercial assets, and even future manned space activities.


When the future capabilities need gets here, then let's elevate to a service component.  All the listed capabilities still aren't manpower-intensive enough to support expansion, though, and giving SPAFOR dominion over long range /satellite based systems (which they're advocating for) is a godawful idea.

Even with that, we still won't be able to kill it easily.  There's the bureaucratic inertia from a service secretary level expansion (thousands of positions directly impacted) and the "This is BiglyHands's legacy!" cowardice from elected reps who won't cross him as long as he's alive and leading the racists.
 
2020-12-04 12:51:58 PM  

Mr. Breeze: stamped human bacon: synithium: Umm...do we have thousands of soldiers in space?

No?  Then that ain't Pearl Harbor.

Soldiers weren't the target at Pearl Harbor... control of the Pacific Ocean was.

Bingo. Thank you. Control of space is the target here.


And the more you tighten your grip, Mr. Tarkin Breeze, the more space will slip through your fingers!
 
2020-12-04 12:54:44 PM  
Better to train to be able to operate without space stuff. Space War will be short with the effects ranging well beyond military. You are not going to be abe to stop widespread destruction in space. And like nuclear warfare, you are likely to suffer great impacts by your own hand.

Waste of money.
 
2020-12-04 12:57:18 PM  
The ultimate high ground. You don't even need fancy weapons you just have to find some big rocks to throw.
 
2020-12-04 1:05:20 PM  
Boots on the moon!
 
2020-12-04 1:18:37 PM  
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2020-12-04 1:24:11 PM  
"And good luck with those elephants!"

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2020-12-04 1:33:03 PM  

Mr. Breeze: maldinero: Blow shiat up in orbit, and let the pieces fall where they may.
Makes perfect sense to me.
What could possibly go wrong?

Milly's not wrong. Most people seem to equate space warfare to Space Marines and bullshiat like that. Honestly it will be more like an enemy state taking out a few satellites in LEO and GEO creating a Kessler syndrome making those orbits useless to satellites for decades. If you can't picture the devastating impact if that, then you're focusing on the wrong aspect of the Space Force's mission. Just because it was created under Trump doesn't make it invalid.


Well, yeah.

The arms race in space has unofficially begun although at present a lot of money is still being put into ground based satellite killer tech.

The disruptions that could be caused would potentially be far worse than Pearl Harbor in terms of effect.
 
2020-12-04 1:49:31 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: No. It'll be at Singapore.

Stop trying to make space war happen where there are perfectly fine simmering conflicts down here already. No pudding until you finish your meat.


Indeed, and we have the climate refugee and water wars to look forward to.
 
2020-12-04 1:53:41 PM  

NewportBarGuy: whyRpeoplesostupid: as far as I'm concerned, we're still fighting YOU, asshole

retire or DIAF, just GTFO of my government

From everything I can tell, he is an honorable man and a good flag officer. But, I do have to agree. Biden should definitely wipe the deck and the General should go be on the board of Raytheon, Boeing, or/and some private equity thingy.


No, he should write his memoirs and retire on his very considerable generals retirement. The damned pipeline between the military and the private sector vendors needs to either stop or at least be heavily shamed in our culture instead of being a norm.
 
2020-12-04 2:42:31 PM  

Mr. Breeze: Blathering Idjut: Mr. Breeze: maldinero: Blow shiat up in orbit, and let the pieces fall where they may.
Makes perfect sense to me.
What could possibly go wrong?

Milly's not wrong. Most people seem to equate space warfare to Space Marines and bullshiat like that. Honestly it will be more like an enemy state taking out a few satellites in LEO and GEO creating a Kessler syndrome making those orbits useless to satellites for decades. If you can't picture the devastating impact if that, then you're focusing on the wrong aspect of the Space Force's mission. Just because it was created under Trump doesn't make it invalid.

The Air Force was handling that fine.  Space Force is a useless waste of resources and should be folded back into the AF come January.

The Air Force was handling it fine for the Air Force and AF assets, which is their MO. Not for the other branches that also depend on space, nor for the American commercial interests.


Would it surprise you that two buildings down from what was Air Force Space Command (Now Space Force) is US Army Space Command. Each branch has their own space forces, and the reason the US worries about space supremacy is that space is home to all our enabling communications, navigation, and global ISR assets. Removing these intrinsically shrink the wartime value of our small military. The magnitude of size larger our forces would have to be to compensate for this loss is spectacular.
 
2020-12-04 2:58:39 PM  
Germans in space?

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2020-12-04 3:30:43 PM  

Sabreace22: Mr. Breeze: Blathering Idjut: Mr. Breeze: maldinero: Blow shiat up in orbit, and let the pieces fall where they may.
Makes perfect sense to me.
What could possibly go wrong?

Milly's not wrong. Most people seem to equate space warfare to Space Marines and bullshiat like that. Honestly it will be more like an enemy state taking out a few satellites in LEO and GEO creating a Kessler syndrome making those orbits useless to satellites for decades. If you can't picture the devastating impact if that, then you're focusing on the wrong aspect of the Space Force's mission. Just because it was created under Trump doesn't make it invalid.

The Air Force was handling that fine.  Space Force is a useless waste of resources and should be folded back into the AF come January.

The Air Force was handling it fine for the Air Force and AF assets, which is their MO. Not for the other branches that also depend on space, nor for the American commercial interests.

Would it surprise you that two buildings down from what was Air Force Space Command (Now Space Force) is US Army Space Command. Each branch has their own space forces, and the reason the US worries about space supremacy is that space is home to all our enabling communications, navigation, and global ISR assets. Removing these intrinsically shrink the wartime value of our small military. The magnitude of size larger our forces would have to be to compensate for this loss is spectacular.


Removing those returns us to industrial age warfare, something nobody in the DOD desires. That's why it needs a greater, dedicated focus.

I'm intimately familiar with SMDC fwiw, lol.
 
2020-12-04 10:11:10 PM  
The first battle fought in Earth's orbit will also be the last one, because the debris from it will make launching anything into space impossible for the three thousand years or so.
 
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