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(Daily Express)   US General Mark A. Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warns 'next Pearl Harbor' will probably be fought in space, also says Germans won't be so lucky this time (possible nsfw content on page)   (express.co.uk) divider line
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2020-12-04 8:19:06 AM  
No. It'll be at Singapore.

Stop trying to make space war happen where there are perfectly fine simmering conflicts down here already. No pudding until you finish your meat.
 
2020-12-04 8:22:57 AM  
Is is 1984 again?!?! Jesus Christ. President Raygun will save us with Star Wars!!

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2020-12-04 8:48:25 AM  
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as far as I'm concerned, we're still fighting YOU, asshole

retire or DIAF, just GTFO of my government
 
2020-12-04 9:47:58 AM  

whyRpeoplesostupid: as far as I'm concerned, we're still fighting YOU, asshole

retire or DIAF, just GTFO of my government


From everything I can tell, he is an honorable man and a good flag officer. But, I do have to agree. Biden should definitely wipe the deck and the General should go be on the board of Raytheon, Boeing, or/and some private equity thingy.
 
2020-12-04 11:34:59 AM  
Possibly on a very tall mountain.
 
2020-12-04 11:35:20 AM  
In other words, the space force needs more money?
 
2020-12-04 11:36:17 AM  
Forget it, he's rolling.
 
2020-12-04 11:37:04 AM  
Umm...do we have thousands of soldiers in space?

No?  Then that ain't Pearl Harbor.
 
2020-12-04 11:41:19 AM  
Someone's been watching too much Moonraker.
 
2020-12-04 11:41:55 AM  
LOL. Gretchen Whitmer would probably have a different opinion.

What an out of touch assclown.
 
2020-12-04 11:42:02 AM  
Blow shiat up in orbit, and let the pieces fall where they may.
Makes perfect sense to me.
What could possibly go wrong?
 
2020-12-04 11:42:47 AM  
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2020-12-04 11:44:23 AM  
Sooo... Space Japan is going to attack our starport on the far side of the moon? Is that what's going to happen?

I'm having trouble with the analogy.
 
2020-12-04 11:45:19 AM  

Ishkur: Sooo... Space Japan is going to attack our starport on the far side of the moon? Is that what's going to happen?

I'm having trouble with the analogy.


Directed by Michael Bay
 
2020-12-04 11:46:25 AM  

whyRpeoplesostupid: [Fark user image 850x566]

as far as I'm concerned, we're still fighting YOU, asshole

retire or DIAF, just GTFO of my government


Bingo.

Minute 1 of the Biden presidency better see retirement papers from Milley on the Resolute Desk.  Barring that, assign him to Alaska.  He can be king shiat of fark mountain over there.
 
2020-12-04 11:48:09 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: No. It'll be at Singapore.

Stop trying to make space war happen where there are perfectly fine simmering conflicts down here already. No pudding until you finish your meat.


But war is fun and profitable when when someone elses kids do the fighting and dying
 
2020-12-04 11:48:25 AM  

maldinero: Blow shiat up in orbit, and let the pieces fall where they may.
Makes perfect sense to me.
What could possibly go wrong?


Milly's not wrong. Most people seem to equate space warfare to Space Marines and bullshiat like that. Honestly it will be more like an enemy state taking out a few satellites in LEO and GEO creating a Kessler syndrome making those orbits useless to satellites for decades. If you can't picture the devastating impact if that, then you're focusing on the wrong aspect of the Space Force's mission. Just because it was created under Trump doesn't make it invalid.
 
2020-12-04 11:49:13 AM  
Has anyone figured out why the hell Russia, China, India, or like...France would attack the US from orbit when ICBMs are a thing, other than "because they can...maybe"? I realize that defense is a continuous conveyor belt of money to a handful of states, but when it gets this farking obvious, it's time to calm down. Maybe order a few hundred more tanks to park at Fort Hood for a few decades.
 
2020-12-04 11:49:32 AM  
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2020-12-04 11:49:57 AM  

synithium: Umm...do we have thousands of soldiers in space?

No?  Then that ain't Pearl Harbor.


Soldiers weren't the target at Pearl Harbor... control of the Pacific Ocean was.
 
2020-12-04 11:50:43 AM  

synithium: Umm...do we have thousands of soldiers in space?

No?  Then that ain't Pearl Harbor.


Got a shiat ton of free public money up there.
 
2020-12-04 11:51:22 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: No. It'll be at Singapore.

Stop trying to make space war happen where there are perfectly fine simmering conflicts down here already. No pudding until you finish your meat.


Singapore?

The Singapore straights aren't really a strategic chokepoint the way that the Suez and Panama canals are.
 
2020-12-04 11:51:42 AM  
First country to openly take steps to break the moratorium on militarizing space suddenly real worried about military action in space.  News at Go fark Yourself O'Clock.
 
2020-12-04 11:51:45 AM  

maldinero: Blow shiat up in orbit, and let the pieces fall where they may.
Makes perfect sense to me.
What could possibly go wrong?


But itll make murca look great!!
 
2020-12-04 11:53:40 AM  

stamped human bacon: synithium: Umm...do we have thousands of soldiers in space?

No?  Then that ain't Pearl Harbor.

Soldiers weren't the target at Pearl Harbor... control of the Pacific Ocean was.


Bingo. Thank you. Control of space is the target here.
 
2020-12-04 11:54:03 AM  

stamped human bacon: synithium: Umm...do we have thousands of soldiers in space?

No?  Then that ain't Pearl Harbor.

Soldiers weren't the target at Pearl Harbor... control of the Pacific Ocean was.


Its our ocean now, biatches!!
 
2020-12-04 11:55:46 AM  

mercator_psi: Someone's been watching too much Moonraker.


More like book 5 of the Expanse series.
 
2020-12-04 11:56:12 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: First country to openly take steps to break the moratorium on militarizing space suddenly real worried about military action in space.  News at Go fark Yourself O'Clock.


There's no militarization of space just because we have a branch dedicated to space. The purpose is not kinetic warfare in or from space. That's the "romanticized" definition of Space Force but it's not reality.
 
2020-12-04 11:57:43 AM  
I got this:

The next Pearl Harbor will be at Pearl Harbor. Otherwise it would be called something else.

/ What's a meta for?
 
2020-12-04 11:57:44 AM  

Mr. Breeze: maldinero: Blow shiat up in orbit, and let the pieces fall where they may.
Makes perfect sense to me.
What could possibly go wrong?

Milly's not wrong. Most people seem to equate space warfare to Space Marines and bullshiat like that. Honestly it will be more like an enemy state taking out a few satellites in LEO and GEO creating a Kessler syndrome making those orbits useless to satellites for decades. If you can't picture the devastating impact if that, then you're focusing on the wrong aspect of the Space Force's mission. Just because it was created under Trump doesn't make it invalid.


The Air Force was handling that fine.  Space Force is a useless waste of resources and should be folded back into the AF come January.
 
2020-12-04 11:59:52 AM  

Ishkur: Sooo... Space Japan is going to attack our starport on the far side of the moon? Is that what's going to happen?

I'm having trouble with the analogy.


Meanwhile...
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2020-12-04 11:59:58 AM  

stamped human bacon: synithium: Umm...do we have thousands of soldiers in space?

No?  Then that ain't Pearl Harbor.

Soldiers weren't the target at Pearl Harbor... control of the Pacific Ocean was.


Soldiers.  Seamen

The Japanese wanted our seamen.
//Sailor Jerry, Latrine Duty, & Sodomy
//it's the USN way
 
2020-12-04 12:01:25 PM  

Blathering Idjut: Mr. Breeze: maldinero: Blow shiat up in orbit, and let the pieces fall where they may.
Makes perfect sense to me.
What could possibly go wrong?

Milly's not wrong. Most people seem to equate space warfare to Space Marines and bullshiat like that. Honestly it will be more like an enemy state taking out a few satellites in LEO and GEO creating a Kessler syndrome making those orbits useless to satellites for decades. If you can't picture the devastating impact if that, then you're focusing on the wrong aspect of the Space Force's mission. Just because it was created under Trump doesn't make it invalid.

The Air Force was handling that fine.  Space Force is a useless waste of resources and should be folded back into the AF come January.


The Air Force was handling it fine for the Air Force and AF assets, which is their MO. Not for the other branches that also depend on space, nor for the American commercial interests.
 
2020-12-04 12:02:16 PM  

Mr. Breeze: stamped human bacon: synithium: Umm...do we have thousands of soldiers in space?

No?  Then that ain't Pearl Harbor.

Soldiers weren't the target at Pearl Harbor... control of the Pacific Ocean was.

Bingo. Thank you. Control of space is the target here.


Everyone acting like we just can't ask Elon to throw up a few more satellites.

Equipment != people.
 
2020-12-04 12:06:43 PM  

synithium: Mr. Breeze: stamped human bacon: synithium: Umm...do we have thousands of soldiers in space?

No?  Then that ain't Pearl Harbor.

Soldiers weren't the target at Pearl Harbor... control of the Pacific Ocean was.

Bingo. Thank you. Control of space is the target here.

Everyone acting like we just can't ask Elon to throw up a few more satellites.

Equipment != people.


With destroyed satellites in orbit, that would not be possible nor would Elon take the risk. In 2007 China shot down a satellite in an anti-satellite (ASAT) missile test, creating 17,000 pieces of marble size and larger debris. Most of which is still up there. Repeating that on a bigger scale would be a bad idea, would make the LEO belt useless for decades, and would prohibit space travel through the LEO belt.
 
2020-12-04 12:07:19 PM  
No Moonraker references?  Huh.
 
2020-12-04 12:08:06 PM  

freakay: No Moonraker references?  Huh.


Look again, lol.
 
2020-12-04 12:09:27 PM  

Mr. Breeze: freakay: No Moonraker references?  Huh.

Look again, lol.


Well...ok....
 
2020-12-04 12:11:01 PM  
The Next Pearl Harbor was on 9/11, General
 
2020-12-04 12:14:10 PM  
The next Pearl Harbor will only be in space if Trump's Space Force puts a bunch of sitting ducks in space.
Scrap the Space Force.  It's a waste of money.
 
2020-12-04 12:17:33 PM  

Mr. Breeze: Blathering Idjut: Mr. Breeze: maldinero: Blow shiat up in orbit, and let the pieces fall where they may.
Makes perfect sense to me.
What could possibly go wrong?

Milly's not wrong. Most people seem to equate space warfare to Space Marines and bullshiat like that. Honestly it will be more like an enemy state taking out a few satellites in LEO and GEO creating a Kessler syndrome making those orbits useless to satellites for decades. If you can't picture the devastating impact if that, then you're focusing on the wrong aspect of the Space Force's mission. Just because it was created under Trump doesn't make it invalid.

The Air Force was handling that fine.  Space Force is a useless waste of resources and should be folded back into the AF come January.

The Air Force was handling it fine for the Air Force and AF assets, which is their MO. Not for the other branches that also depend on space, nor for the American commercial interests.


A big problem is Spaaaaace Force! is the size of a 1-star command, but elevation to service level makes it 4-star.  It's going to be super top-heavy, super redundant, or the responsibilities will be way out of line (for any given rank) with the rest of the services.

BiglyHands was one million percent thinking Space Marines with robot suits and space shuttles shooting laser beams.  What Space Force will actually do doesn't need a service level branch, it just needs a little nudging to be more joint.
 
2020-12-04 12:19:44 PM  
Right now, more Americans are dying of COVID-19 every day than died in the attack on Pearl Harbor.

EVERY. FARKING. DAY.
 
2020-12-04 12:20:26 PM  
Hey, Mark.

The "Next Pearl Harbor" is the current GoP. Why don't you get on that.
Maybe we deal with the terrestrial shiat before we worry about space herpes.
 
2020-12-04 12:22:14 PM  

cendojr: Mr. Breeze: Blathering Idjut: Mr. Breeze: maldinero: Blow shiat up in orbit, and let the pieces fall where they may.
Makes perfect sense to me.
What could possibly go wrong?

Milly's not wrong. Most people seem to equate space warfare to Space Marines and bullshiat like that. Honestly it will be more like an enemy state taking out a few satellites in LEO and GEO creating a Kessler syndrome making those orbits useless to satellites for decades. If you can't picture the devastating impact if that, then you're focusing on the wrong aspect of the Space Force's mission. Just because it was created under Trump doesn't make it invalid.

The Air Force was handling that fine.  Space Force is a useless waste of resources and should be folded back into the AF come January.

The Air Force was handling it fine for the Air Force and AF assets, which is their MO. Not for the other branches that also depend on space, nor for the American commercial interests.

A big problem is Spaaaaace Force! is the size of a 1-star command, but elevation to service level makes it 4-star.  It's going to be super top-heavy, super redundant, or the responsibilities will be way out of line (for any given rank) with the rest of the services.

BiglyHands was one million percent thinking Space Marines with robot suits and space shuttles shooting laser beams.  What Space Force will actually do doesn't need a service level branch, it just needs a little nudging to be more joint.


You're probably right both about Trump and about nudging the AF to make space ops more joint. However the AF resistance to providing CAS doesn't give them a good track record, so I wouldn't trust them to help out the other branches. Yes SF is small now, but it'll grow as they absorb space operations from other branches.
 
2020-12-04 12:26:32 PM  

Blathering Idjut: Mr. Breeze: maldinero: Blow shiat up in orbit, and let the pieces fall where they may.
Makes perfect sense to me.
What could possibly go wrong?

Milly's not wrong. Most people seem to equate space warfare to Space Marines and bullshiat like that. Honestly it will be more like an enemy state taking out a few satellites in LEO and GEO creating a Kessler syndrome making those orbits useless to satellites for decades. If you can't picture the devastating impact if that, then you're focusing on the wrong aspect of the Space Force's mission. Just because it was created under Trump doesn't make it invalid.

The Air Force was handling that fine.  Space Force is a useless waste of resources and should be folded back into the AF come January.


Ultimately that requires Congress. However it seems more likely to me that Elon's space internet set up will cause issues.
 
2020-12-04 12:29:18 PM  

Mr. Breeze: synithium: Mr. Breeze: stamped human bacon: synithium: Umm...do we have thousands of soldiers in space?

No?  Then that ain't Pearl Harbor.

Soldiers weren't the target at Pearl Harbor... control of the Pacific Ocean was.

Bingo. Thank you. Control of space is the target here.

Everyone acting like we just can't ask Elon to throw up a few more satellites.

Equipment != people.

With destroyed satellites in orbit, that would not be possible nor would Elon take the risk. In 2007 China shot down a satellite in an anti-satellite (ASAT) missile test, creating 17,000 pieces of marble size and larger debris. Most of which is still up there. Repeating that on a bigger scale would be a bad idea, would make the LEO belt useless for decades, and would prohibit space travel through the LEO belt.


So mutually assured reliance on terrestrial communications?

Seems plausible, but not likely to turn out the way our enemies want.
 
2020-12-04 12:30:05 PM  

Mr. Breeze: You're probably right both about Trump and about nudging the AF to make space ops more joint. However the AF resistance to providing CAS doesn't give them a good track record, so I wouldn't trust them to help out the other branches. Yes SF is small now, but it'll grow as they absorb space operations from other branches.


Oh their CAS mentality is HAWT GARBAGE, and their helicopter logistics planning want much better when I used their software.  The rotor section of the Air Tasking Order was a 24hr block 5k and below labeled "here be helicopters." Even with absorbing all the other services space stuff, they're still a 1-star command, though.  There's just not enough of a mission for a separate service.
 
2020-12-04 12:30:39 PM  
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2020-12-04 12:37:59 PM  
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/Howling Commandos on the case
 
2020-12-04 12:38:15 PM  

cendojr: Mr. Breeze: You're probably right both about Trump and about nudging the AF to make space ops more joint. However the AF resistance to providing CAS doesn't give them a good track record, so I wouldn't trust them to help out the other branches. Yes SF is small now, but it'll grow as they absorb space operations from other branches.

Oh their CAS mentality is HAWT GARBAGE, and their helicopter logistics planning want much better when I used their software.  The rotor section of the Air Tasking Order was a 24hr block 5k and below labeled "here be helicopters." Even with absorbing all the other services space stuff, they're still a 1-star command, though.  There's just not enough of a mission for a separate service.


I think it could be enough. Aside from satellite control, tracking, and protection you have to consider jamming, anti-jamming, OPIR, SAR, GPS, GPS protection, missile warning, missile defense, and everything that feeds it. Not to mention future capabilities, protection of commercial assets, and even future manned space activities.
 
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