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(The Hill)   David Boreanaz on his relationship with Sarah Michelle Gellar on 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer:' "Your first love is your true love, your true love is your first love. End of story." "NOT SO FAST" says Stacy Abrams   (thehill.com) divider line
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2020-12-03 10:38:14 AM  
Riley was the best.
 
2020-12-03 12:13:31 PM  
"To be fair, Angel was the right boyfriend for Buffy coming into her power. Spike was the right man to be with as she became the power."

Says the female fan. I wonder what her opinion would be if she got dumped by someone cause "I got promoted at work so I should start dating people more in my current league".

I bet she would yell about him being a shallow asshole.

/If "The right person to be with" changes on with the amount of power/skill/money/prestige you have, it isn't love your talking about
 
2020-12-03 12:19:39 PM  

bostonguy: Riley was the best.


Fark - Spike
Marry - Riley
Kill - Angel
 
2020-12-03 12:20:15 PM  
Spike himself explained succinctly why he was always the better man. He fought and sacrificed to change his ways and be a good person. Because he knew it was the right thing to do. Angel had goodness forced on him at magical gunpoint and then spent ten seasons across two TV shows biatching about it at every opportunity.

/Team Spike
 
2020-12-03 12:23:26 PM  

bostonguy: Fark - Spike
Marry - Riley
Kill - Angel


And to be fair (among the non-Buffy women):

Fark - Anya
Marry - Willow
Kill - Cordelia
 
2020-12-03 12:29:41 PM  
I never got how Buffy got so caught up with Angel, whom she had just met. Spike made more sense.
Oh and Xander's creep factor almost makes a those firs seasons unwatchable now.
 
2020-12-03 12:30:37 PM  
Riley was clingey.
 
2020-12-03 12:34:23 PM  

Bslim: I never got how Buffy got so caught up with Angel, whom she had just met. Spike made more sense.
Oh and Xander's creep factor almost makes a those firs seasons unwatchable now.


It is weird when I think about it. At the end of season two, we see in a flashback that Angel first saw Buffy when she would have been fifteen at most (she was 16 at the end of the first season). And Angel was a grown man before he was turned. That is a bit creepy.

I think Angel was just a dark, handsome guy who knew what to say to push her buttons.

Yeah, in retrospect, it's almost like Joss just told Xander to be a stereotypical "nice" guy at the beginning who cannot move past an infatuation with a girl after she rejects him. But in Restless at the end of season four, dream Buffy tells him that he's like a brother, and he seems to accept it afterwards -- especially because he had Anya.
 
2020-12-03 12:36:26 PM  
Didn't we do this about two months ago?
 
2020-12-03 12:38:37 PM  

Flappyhead: Didn't we do this about two months ago?


Are you new here?
 
2020-12-03 12:42:20 PM  

bostonguy: And to be fair (among the non-Buffy women):

Fark - Anya
Marry - Willow
Kill - Cordelia


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fark: Anya, Willow, Cordelia, Dawn, Tara, Faith, Darla ...
 
2020-12-03 12:43:46 PM  
bostonguy:

But in Restless at the end of season four, dream Buffy tells him that he's like a brother, and he seems to accept it afterwards -- especially because he had Anya.

Rewatching the whole thing (because Covid). I feel that Xander really got the shaft as a character. None of his relationships went anywhere. Did he even finish college and by the end was kinda like an embittered old man.
 
2020-12-03 12:44:44 PM  

Therion: bostonguy: And to be fair (among the non-Buffy women):

Fark - Anya
Marry - Willow
Kill - Cordelia

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fark: Anya, Willow, Cordelia, Dawn, Tara, Faith, Darla ...


Amy, Harmony, Dru, Jenny
 
2020-12-03 12:45:20 PM  

Bslim: Did he even finish college and by the end was kinda like an embittered old man.


He never want to college -- he just visited his friends there. (More than one person referred to him as a "townie.") He odd random jobs like pizza delivery guy before building a career in construction.
 
2020-12-03 12:47:19 PM  
"Your first love is your true love"

So, Cindy Crawford should be calling me any day now?
 
2020-12-03 12:48:30 PM  
My first love was a farking psycho, so I can't agree with Boreanaz on his concept.

I do think he banged SMG while they were filming though.
 
2020-12-03 12:49:13 PM  

Bslim: I feel that Xander really got the shaft as a character.


Do you want to know who he dates in the canonical Season 8 comic?

(I don't know where the story goes from there.)
 
2020-12-03 12:54:38 PM  

bostonguy: And to be fair (among the non-Buffy women):

Fark - Anya
Marry - Willow
Kill - Cordelia


I would have said fark Faith, but I'd fear she'd kill me afterwards.

/ Still worth it?
 
2020-12-03 1:03:36 PM  

bostonguy: Bslim: I feel that Xander really got the shaft as a character.

Do you want to know who he dates in the canonical Season 8 comic?

(I don't know where the story goes from there.)


I've heard some interesting things, maybe I should get myself to reading those.
 
2020-12-03 1:05:12 PM  
lol - nope! My first love cheated on me with a bunch of people.

Your true love is whomever turns out to be your true love. That'd be my wife. I put on ring on her finger for a reason - and she let me for the same reason.
 
2020-12-03 1:10:08 PM  

Therion: fark: ... Dawn


Uh... have a seat over there?
 
2020-12-03 1:14:46 PM  
Sorry there is only one true love story...and that's between me and Willow

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2020-12-03 1:15:44 PM  

bostonguy: Riley was the best.


Or Parker.
 
2020-12-03 1:16:34 PM  

Bslim: I never got how Buffy got so caught up with Angel, whom she had just met. Spike made more sense.
Oh and Xander's creep factor almost makes a those firs seasons unwatchable now.


So don't watch them.  You sound triggered.
 
2020-12-03 1:18:19 PM  

dennysgod: Sorry there is only one true love story...and that's between me and Willow

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CSB.

A friend and I are binging HIMYM because she's never seen it. My friend bought some new type of high-definition TV, and it turns out that Alyson Hannigan is absolutely covered in freckles. I had no idea.

Also, I'm not sure I like these new TVs. I can't explain it, but it makes it look like I'm watching actors in a studio rather than people in the real world. It just "feels" very fake.
 
2020-12-03 1:20:13 PM  

bostonguy: dennysgod: Sorry there is only one true love story...and that's between me and Willow

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CSB.

A friend and I are binging HIMYM because she's never seen it. My friend bought some new type of high-definition TV, and it turns out that Alyson Hannigan is absolutely covered in freckles. I had no idea.

Also, I'm not sure I like these new TVs. I can't explain it, but it makes it look like I'm watching actors in a studio rather than people in the real world. It just "feels" very fake.


Turn off motion smoothing. That's exactly what people describe motion smoothing to look like and it's usually on by default on a new TV.
 
2020-12-03 1:20:29 PM  

bigmoneygrip: Or Parker.


Parker was just misunderstood because of the death of his father affected him.

/ runs away
 
2020-12-03 1:24:24 PM  
Oh so like all the women who worked while their hubby got a degree in 60's-70s era, and were then subsequently dropped for a partner more worthy of their more well educated self, that would not have worked to help put them through school...that's what Abrams would go with?
So Angel is good for helping her become someone better, but then rather than her take a turn now to help him grow, best to just move on to a new partner that's already the way you need them to support you in your new role that you got to from the support of that last partner, now no longer worthy of supporting in their growth the way they supported you?
 
2020-12-03 1:24:39 PM  

Bslim: I never got how Buffy got so caught up with Angel, whom she had just met. Spike made more sense.
Oh and Xander's creep factor almost makes a those firs seasons unwatchable now.


I accept that Xander was the butt monkey for most of the run (his words, not mine), and his characterization could be really off. But I think the whole "toxic male" thing is a bit much -- he's supposed to be 16-17. Even on TV kids are annoying at this age. The girls comes off pretty shallow on the series during that time as well (Harmony is a walking punchline, as is Cordy for the first Season), except Buffy who is forced to grow up a little more. Willow is cool but her time for being insufferable is coming a few seasons later.

And if we forget everything that happened in Season 6 after the musical, the better.
 
2020-12-03 1:26:57 PM  

csi_yellowknife: But I think the whole "toxic male" thing is a bit much -- he's supposed to be 16-17.


That's a good point. Would any of us point to ourselves at 16-17 as models of good behavior?

(Although the early episode The Pack is indeed creepy.)
 
2020-12-03 1:36:43 PM  
Also, Spike's case is helped by the fact that James Marsters is a good guy while David Boreanaz is a dick. (Cheated on his wife with a stripper, or something like that.)
 
2020-12-03 1:40:21 PM  

bostonguy: Therion: fark: ... Dawn

Uh... have a seat over there?


Hey, IMBD says she's 35.

(that's almost within half my age +7 range)
 
2020-12-03 1:41:53 PM  

Therion: Hey, IMBD says she's 35.


Wow. Let's all take a depressing pause to reflect on the fact that little Dawnie is now 35 years old.
 
2020-12-03 1:59:52 PM  

bostonguy: Also, Spike's case is helped by the fact that James Marsters is a good guy while David Boreanaz is a dick. (Cheated on his wife with a stripper, or something like that.)


What does that have to do with Angel?

Does it also work the other way around? You shouldn't hang out with Anthony Hopkins, he once played a cannibal so he must be into it.
 
2020-12-03 2:03:03 PM  

Therion: bostonguy: And to be fair (among the non-Buffy women):

Fark - Anya
Marry - Willow
Kill - Cordelia

[Fark user image image 474x339]

fark: Anya, Willow, Cordelia, Dawn, Tara, Faith, Darla ...


I'm much older now ... whoever Giles was boning.

/Joyce, call me ...?
 
2020-12-03 2:07:32 PM  

mybluemake: I'm much older now ... whoever Giles was boning.


Jenny Calendar. Although when you think about it, the ages are a bit off. Giles would have been mid-40s and Jenny would have been late-20s. But, hey. They were happy.

For those who don't know. The actress who played Jenny got her start as one half of a dancing team in Prince's music videos. Just Google "Prince" and "Robia LaMorte." If I remember correctly, the two were Diamond and Pearl.
 
2020-12-03 2:15:32 PM  
bigmoneygrip:

So don't watch them.  You sound triggered.

What's gonna happen when I don't do what you say?
Jack and shiat is what.

GFY
 
2020-12-03 3:31:23 PM  

mybluemake: I'm much older now ... whoever Giles was boning.

/Joyce, call me ...?


You missed a really intense episode.
 
2020-12-03 3:34:04 PM  

mybluemake: Therion: bostonguy: And to be fair (among the non-Buffy women):

Fark - Anya
Marry - Willow
Kill - Cordelia

[Fark user image image 474x339]

fark: Anya, Willow, Cordelia, Dawn, Tara, Faith, Darla ...

I'm much older now ... whoever Giles was boning.

/Joyce, call me ...?


Olivia? I would have liked to have more eps with her, but I guess the Gentlemen scared her off.
 
2020-12-03 3:54:57 PM  

bostonguy: csi_yellowknife: But I think the whole "toxic male" thing is a bit much -- he's supposed to be 16-17.

That's a good point. Would any of us point to ourselves at 16-17 as models of good behavior?

(Although the early episode The Pack is indeed creepy.)


The Pack is totally creepy, but at least it's because he's possessed -- and he clearly feels massively guilty about what happened.

The episode where he did a love spell is another story, but at least we got some hilarious moments from Jenny Calendar before she's killed off.
 
2020-12-03 4:33:12 PM  
David Boringazz is wrong. Spike, for all of his faults (and Spike would be the first one to own up to every single one of those faults) was a far-better match for Buffy than Angel, and SMG basically admitted as much. Angel kept on seeing Buffy as some sort of reward for himself, while Spike ended up seeing her as an equal to himself in most ways, to include in the incredibly-screwed-up-in-the-head category (and Spike was willing to die for Buffy, while Angel sat there reading books while Buffy went to face down the Master because he didn't think that that prophecy could be broken and there was no use even trying to break it). And yes, Spike is incredibly farked in the head himself, and he knows it, but at least he tries to be better than he knows he is and doesn't do the whole "Oh, woe is me!" act about it.
 
2020-12-03 4:55:51 PM  

bostonguy: I would have said fark Faith, but I'd fear she'd kill me afterwards.


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2020-12-03 5:00:46 PM  

Evil Mackerel: bostonguy: I would have said fark Faith, but I'd fear she'd kill me afterwards.

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No kidding. She might well kill you before her prison stint, but you would get one hell of a ride before you died.
 
2020-12-03 8:10:08 PM  
fark: Darla

marry: Harmony

kill: Tara (too late!)
 
2020-12-03 8:12:27 PM  
David Boreanaz was either expressing something badly or he has some weird, weird ideas about how shiat works in the actual human world.  I don't know anyone whose spouse is even the first person they were engaged to, much less their first long-term dating relationship.  Anyone who tried to make their high-school SO permanent is divorced or dead now.

As far as the show goes, Spike was just a normal human who happened to be a vampire (also, an immature dick), whereas Angel was very much... not a human at all, anymore.  This not only came up during the show, Boreanaz starred in an entire spinoff about Angel that was more or less entirely about that specifically (coming to terms with what he was as a nonhuman predator).  They were on the opposite ends of the scale of vampire alien-ness.  I think the fact that it was inappropriate for him to pursue Buffy specifically and him getting over it and moving on was also pretty explicitly part of at least one season, it only took the character like... a handful of episodes.

I don't really know that I wanna go all Spike/Buffy OTP, but it was significantly more reasonable for them to be paired than Angel and anyone with a pulse.
 
2020-12-03 8:46:46 PM  

NetOwl: fark: Darla

marry: Harmony

kill: Tara (too late!)


No no no! It is:

Fark: Harmony (just remember that she is the town bike)

Marry: Tara (and enjoy the incredibly kinky sex)

Kill: Darla (do you know how many STD's that literal whore had collected before she got turned?)
 
2020-12-03 10:07:06 PM  

Evil Mackerel: bostonguy: I would have said fark Faith, but I'd fear she'd kill me afterwards.

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Five by Five
 
2020-12-04 12:11:09 AM  

csi_yellowknife: Bslim: I never got how Buffy got so caught up with Angel, whom she had just met. Spike made more sense.
Oh and Xander's creep factor almost makes a those firs seasons unwatchable now.

I accept that Xander was the butt monkey for most of the run (his words, not mine), and his characterization could be really off. But I think the whole "toxic male" thing is a bit much -- he's supposed to be 16-17. Even on TV kids are annoying at this age. The girls comes off pretty shallow on the series during that time as well (Harmony is a walking punchline, as is Cordy for the first Season), except Buffy who is forced to grow up a little more. Willow is cool but her time for being insufferable is coming a few seasons later.

And if we forget everything that happened in Season 6 after the musical, the better.


Not enough people get what was going on with Xander as a character.

He was deeply insecure thanks to his parents and his upbringing. They didn't show his parents until the wedding episode, and they weren't evil, just really shiatty people way to involved in their own crap to have any business raising a kid.

He didn't get a real model of stable, healthy masculinity until Giles was in his life, and even then Giles didn't especially like him, nor did they have the same kind of parental relationship Giles and Buffy had. Through the early series we see a lot of Xander dealing with what he thinks manhood is, and finding himself, while at the mercy of the usual teenage boy pressures and urges. Teen boys, even great kids, are still figuring out how to not be dicks.

The only other men in his life were other teens (same as him), Angel (romantic adversary and not really a poster boy for stability, even when he's good), and eventually Riley. Out of those, only early Riley exhibits any healthy approach to manhood for Xander to emulate, which he absolutely does. Riley going off the rails, in concert with his experience getting split by Thoth, is what prompts Xander to step up and really commit to Anya. He's doing what his idealized version of Riley would do in his shoes. It can't hold because he never dealt with the lingering crap from his family, which the pressures of the wedding and the events around it brought out.

There is just literally no way he wasn't going to fall for Buffy early on. Knowing her full backstory at that point is pretty much a teen boy's wet dream if he can't be the superhero himself.

The only truly weird thing about early season Xander is that he and Cordy never had sex. It's never shown but heavily implied Cordy was deflowered well before they got together and there's no way a gal who was as hot for him as she was, who had already broken the proverbial seal, was not gonna ride him like a pony. If he didn't say no to Faith there's no way he'd have said no to Cordy.

Him not getting together with Willow pre-Cordy, is completely understandable. Much as we all adore Will, she didn't break his sisterly perception of her until she demonstrated hotness and unattainability,  AKA Xander catnip.

As messy and as toxic as Xander could be, he would have been so much worse if he hadn't had such powerful women in his life to sort his shiat out. He was bound for drunken asshole at best, and pure incel at worst before Buffy came around.

He and Will would have eventually gotten together, it would have ended badly, probably when she outgrew him as she went off to college, and that would have just added to his insecurities. That's all if he didn't get eaten by one of Sunnydale's many nasties of course.
 
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