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(BBC-US)   The UK's Premier League and EFL agree to a rescue package amounting to a £250mil handout   (bbc.com) divider line
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2020-12-03 3:34:29 PM  
Well good, down pyramid support was needed, and finally sorted out, it just shouldn't have taken this long.
 
2020-12-03 3:41:47 PM  
It is not a handout to the League Championship teams, they got a set of loans totaling 200 million to split between them (with those loans having to be paid back by June of 2024), the League One and League Two sides got grants for the remaining 50 million (because no way in hell do those clubs have the cash turnover to afford paying back loans).
 
2020-12-03 4:01:11 PM  

ClavellBCMI: It is not a handout to the League Championship teams, they got a set of loans totaling 200 million to split between them (with those loans having to be paid back by June of 2024), the League One and League Two sides got grants for the remaining 50 million (because no way in hell do those clubs have the cash turnover to afford paying back loans).


And the shutdown was in no way their fault.

What I don't want to see is (a) any kind of special voting rights, as was in the previous proposal; and (b) a European Super League, which would destroy domestic competitions and make European matches less special.
 
2020-12-03 4:11:46 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: ClavellBCMI: It is not a handout to the League Championship teams, they got a set of loans totaling 200 million to split between them (with those loans having to be paid back by June of 2024), the League One and League Two sides got grants for the remaining 50 million (because no way in hell do those clubs have the cash turnover to afford paying back loans).

And the shutdown was in no way their fault.

What I don't want to see is (a) any kind of special voting rights, as was in the previous proposal; and (b) a European Super League, which would destroy domestic competitions and make European matches less special.


Agreed. The Champions League should, in no way, shape, or form, become an actual super-league, and it should remain in its current format.
 
2020-12-03 4:19:58 PM  
Is it being reviewed by VAR yet, subby?
 
2020-12-03 4:33:47 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: What I don't want to see is (b) a European Super League, which would destroy domestic competitions and make European matches less special.


On the one hand, I get what you're saying.

On the other, I look at these lists and begin to wonder how much domestic competition really matters to certain high-level clubs and their supporters.

Bundesliga champions:

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La Liga champions:

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Serie A champions:

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Ligue 1 champions:

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I get that the downtable battles are probably the more-compelling ones for local club supporters, but it's kinda hard to blame the big clubs for saying, "Hey, we've kinda proven what we've needed to prove here."

I'm sure the temptation of every match being must-see TV, and the kind of money it might produce, is mighty strong.
 
2020-12-03 5:04:18 PM  

Pfighting Polish: AliceBToklasLives: What I don't want to see is (b) a European Super League, which would destroy domestic competitions and make European matches less special.

On the one hand, I get what you're saying.

On the other, I look at these lists and begin to wonder how much domestic competition really matters to certain high-level clubs and their supporters.

Bundesliga champions:

[Fark user image image 469x218]

La Liga champions:

[Fark user image image 248x434]

Serie A champions:

[Fark user image image 425x289]

Ligue 1 champions:

[Fark user image image 302x219]

I get that the downtable battles are probably the more-compelling ones for local club supporters, but it's kinda hard to blame the big clubs for saying, "Hey, we've kinda proven what we've needed to prove here."

I'm sure the temptation of every match being must-see TV, and the kind of money it might produce, is mighty strong.


Yep - the domestic leagues are really top heavy and have become increasingly so this century. Certainly a French title doesn't mean much to PSG.

We don't see that in American leagues and I think that is because of (a) attempts at parity; and (b) the playoff system.

Without a playoff system, the Patriots would have quite a few more titles. LeBron would probably have seven or eight rings.

I imagine a Premier League playoff - even just four clubs - would get huge ratings. It's extra matches but the League Cup is on its last legs anyway.

A playoff system would liven up domestic leagues, although it would be a significant break with tradition. No one cares about the Ligue Un title race, as the winner is determined before the season starts. A title match between PSG and, say, Lyon would raise interest. I would watch that and I rarely watch French matches.
 
2020-12-03 6:08:03 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: Yep - the domestic leagues are really top heavy and have become increasingly so this century. Certainly a French title doesn't mean much to PSG.

We don't see that in American leagues and I think that is because of (a) attempts at parity; and (b) the playoff system.

Without a playoff system, the Patriots would have quite a few more titles. LeBron would probably have seven or eight rings.

I imagine a Premier League playoff - even just four clubs - would get huge ratings. It's extra matches but the League Cup is on its last legs anyway.

A playoff system would liven up domestic leagues, although it would be a significant break with tradition. No one cares about the Ligue Un title race, as the winner is determined before the season starts. A title match between PSG and, say, Lyon would raise interest. I would watch that and I rarely watch French matches.


While I bemoan how American sports have become so playoff-centric, devaluing the regular season because so many teams make it in, playoffs in these domestic European leagues would create some intrigue and might be a nice motivator for some of the second-tier teams, like Lyon and Atletico (still a pretty high second-tier, but not at Barca/Real levels).

If they limited it to four clubs, as you say, I'd be for it.
 
2020-12-03 7:00:38 PM  

Pfighting Polish: AliceBToklasLives: What I don't want to see is (b) a European Super League, which would destroy domestic competitions and make European matches less special.

On the one hand, I get what you're saying.

On the other, I look at these lists and begin to wonder how much domestic competition really matters to certain high-level clubs and their supporters.

Bundesliga champions:

[Fark user image 469x218]

La Liga champions:

[Fark user image 248x434]

Serie A champions:

[Fark user image 425x289]

Ligue 1 champions:

[Fark user image 302x219]

I get that the downtable battles are probably the more-compelling ones for local club supporters, but it's kinda hard to blame the big clubs for saying, "Hey, we've kinda proven what we've needed to prove here."

I'm sure the temptation of every match being must-see TV, and the kind of money it might produce, is mighty strong.


At least, in the EPL, you are never quite sure who is going to end up on top, even if, for some time, that rotated between the same 5 teams, mainly because at least some other team but 1 or 2 teams would win the EPL.
 
2020-12-03 7:01:35 PM  

ClavellBCMI: Pfighting Polish: AliceBToklasLives: What I don't want to see is (b) a European Super League, which would destroy domestic competitions and make European matches less special.

On the one hand, I get what you're saying.

On the other, I look at these lists and begin to wonder how much domestic competition really matters to certain high-level clubs and their supporters.

Bundesliga champions:

[Fark user image 469x218]

La Liga champions:

[Fark user image 248x434]

Serie A champions:

[Fark user image 425x289]

Ligue 1 champions:

[Fark user image 302x219]

I get that the downtable battles are probably the more-compelling ones for local club supporters, but it's kinda hard to blame the big clubs for saying, "Hey, we've kinda proven what we've needed to prove here."

I'm sure the temptation of every match being must-see TV, and the kind of money it might produce, is mighty strong.

At least, in the EPL, you are never quite sure who is going to end up on top, even if, for some time, that rotated between the same 5 teams, mainly because at least some other team but 1 or 2 teams would win the EPL.


Not counting ManUre under Fergie.
 
2020-12-03 10:47:43 PM  

Pfighting Polish: AliceBToklasLives: Yep - the domestic leagues are really top heavy and have become increasingly so this century. Certainly a French title doesn't mean much to PSG.

We don't see that in American leagues and I think that is because of (a) attempts at parity; and (b) the playoff system.

Without a playoff system, the Patriots would have quite a few more titles. LeBron would probably have seven or eight rings.

I imagine a Premier League playoff - even just four clubs - would get huge ratings. It's extra matches but the League Cup is on its last legs anyway.

A playoff system would liven up domestic leagues, although it would be a significant break with tradition. No one cares about the Ligue Un title race, as the winner is determined before the season starts. A title match between PSG and, say, Lyon would raise interest. I would watch that and I rarely watch French matches.

While I bemoan how American sports have become so playoff-centric, devaluing the regular season because so many teams make it in, playoffs in these domestic European leagues would create some intrigue and might be a nice motivator for some of the second-tier teams, like Lyon and Atletico (still a pretty high second-tier, but not at Barca/Real levels).

If they limited it to four clubs, as you say, I'd be for it.


Yeah, the NBA deal where teams with losing records make the playoffs is silly. But a four team playoff could work. Could even do a step-ladder system, where the team in first place automatically makes the final. But too many leagues are so dominated by one or two clubs that mixing things up would make things much more interesting.
 
2020-12-03 10:53:37 PM  

ClavellBCMI: Pfighting Polish: AliceBToklasLives: What I don't want to see is (b) a European Super League, which would destroy domestic competitions and make European matches less special.

On the one hand, I get what you're saying.

On the other, I look at these lists and begin to wonder how much domestic competition really matters to certain high-level clubs and their supporters.

Bundesliga champions:

[Fark user image 469x218]

La Liga champions:

[Fark user image 248x434]

Serie A champions:

[Fark user image 425x289]

Ligue 1 champions:

[Fark user image 302x219]

I get that the downtable battles are probably the more-compelling ones for local club supporters, but it's kinda hard to blame the big clubs for saying, "Hey, we've kinda proven what we've needed to prove here."

I'm sure the temptation of every match being must-see TV, and the kind of money it might produce, is mighty strong.

At least, in the EPL, you are never quite sure who is going to end up on top, even if, for some time, that rotated between the same 5 teams, mainly because at least some other team but 1 or 2 teams would win the EPL.


Right - even in England Leicester City was a shock; like moreso than the '69 Mets.

But look at Scotland; the Old Firm has won every title since Aberdeen last won in the mid-1980s. Most leagues just have one or two dominant teams one of which wins almost every year. It's gotta be boring for fans of other clubs.
 
2020-12-04 6:10:04 AM  
You want some real fun for the Premiership?

Top four teams get first week byes
Next 8 teams play, one leg - none of this home and home slash away goals.  5 thru 9 teams host.

Make it a farking bracket - none of these draws every round.

The real fun involves the teams at the bottom of the table.  Bottom 8 will play in Relegation / Survivor matches.  Win, you stay, lose, off (or back) to Championship.

15 games total, same number of games in the NCAA Tournament once you're down to the Sweet Sixteen.  There's a bracket contest that every bloke has a chance to turn £1 into £25,000.

Have Italy, Germany, Spain, and France do the same - for at least the top 12 part.

THAT'S a bracket almost as big as the NCAA Tournament.

And on one weekend, the champions of 5 countries would be decided...
 
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