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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2020-12-03 9:15:18 AM  
By now the aliens have told the whole galaxy earthlings are into castration.
 
2020-12-03 9:32:43 AM  
Are Trumpers carrying around a five-dollar bill and three quarters yet?
 
2020-12-03 9:49:57 AM  
Never mind Heaven's Gate. They're dead.

The cult that needs close examination right now is: Aum Shinrikyo.

And I don't care if it's pointed out that I rant about them a lot, they're active in Russia right now and likely driving Trump's Twitter feed drunk.

They're an anti American cult, that chases wealth, cherry picks Christianity, has been supported by Russian intelligence (since the 1990s), there's over 30,000 cultists in Russia according to the BBC, and they have a history of doing research on bioweapons. They had an Australian anthrax ranch in the 1990s.

They're opportunists, of course they would capitalize on Trump and the pandemic. Trump's pandemic response can be summed up as, "what would a bioterrorist want us to do, let's do that!".

There are W era laws that can be used against the antimask terrorists if they're officially recognized as part of Aum Shinrikyo.

/I'm surprised Trump isn't selling his dirty bath water to his cultists to drink like Shoko Asahara did, but then I remember Trump is a nasty ass fleabag who fights with showerheads.
 
2020-12-03 9:58:14 AM  
I remember a couple years ago at work, I made a reference to "they're all wearing the black and white Nikes" (akin to "drinking the Kool Aid," but less death-oriented) and quickly realized it was way too obscure for the audience.

But in my mind, these images were burned in my brain from an era before the mass media regularly showed dead bodies on TV:


https://www.vice.com/en/article/kbynm​n​/the-heavens-gate-nikes-and-the-sneake​rheads-who-collect-them
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2020-12-03 10:59:42 AM  
I miss Heaven's Gate.
 
2020-12-03 11:00:21 AM  
I am surprised we haven't seen a new cult in a...wait a minute.
 
2020-12-03 11:00:30 AM  
The largest mass suicide in American history was originally planned as a mere "moment of silence" until the cultists discovered that the evening entertainment was Third Eye Blind, Sister Hazel, and Matchbox 20.
 
2020-12-03 11:00:40 AM  
How tame they look compared to the modern GOP.
 
2020-12-03 11:02:06 AM  
They lived their life as they wanted to, didn't bother anyone else, and had firm conviction in their beliefs that was unwavering. That's actually notable compared to almost every other religion, so good for them.
 
2020-12-03 11:02:33 AM  
How does a cult land a sweet Nike contract like that? Asking for a friend.
 
2020-12-03 11:05:30 AM  
Sex is natural.
Anything that tries to abnormally modulate that. Should immediately be suspect.
🙄
 
2020-12-03 11:06:50 AM  
Compared to the crazy cult-like shiat people are believing right now the boos in HG seem pretty damn normal.
 
2020-12-03 11:08:03 AM  
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Amateurs never came close to the Peoples Temple.
 
2020-12-03 11:08:51 AM  

NikolaiFarkoff: I remember a couple years ago at work, I made a reference to "they're all wearing the black and white Nikes" (akin to "drinking the Kool Aid," but less death-oriented) and quickly realized it was way too obscure for the audience.

But in my mind, these images were burned in my brain from an era before the mass media regularly showed dead bodies on TV:


https://www.vice.com/en/article/kbynmn​/the-heavens-gate-nikes-and-the-sneake​rheads-who-collect-them [Fark user image 800x508]


It's the kind of reference you could drop on Fark, add "/obscure?" at the end of your post, and get maybe a dozen smart votes. Not likely to resonate with a general audience, I would agree.

And although I remember the shoes, frankly I'm not sure I would have made that connection in my head immediately in a face-to-face conversation. (Another advantage of internet forums: I can momentarily whoosh, have an a-ha moment an hour later, and respond like I got the joke all along.)

I have, however, used "get on the spaceship and follow the comet," multiple times, recently. That one's harder to miss. (Not to derail the thread, but yes, I used it in a political context, referring to 70 million or so cult followers.)
 
2020-12-03 11:09:19 AM  
Now they're in a UFO following a comet.  Oh, imagine the places they'll go and the things they'll see in a slower than light vessel following a comet as it circles the solar system.  Hope time isn't a concept in death.
 
2020-12-03 11:11:30 AM  
There was a good podcast on Heaven's Gate, called Heaven's Gate.  Starts way back in the early 70's with Doe and his female companion who really started the whole thing.
 
2020-12-03 11:11:51 AM  
This program was a fantastic look inside Heaven's Gate.  I think just about anybody could get pulled in to a cult.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast​/​heavens-gate/id1292069401
 
2020-12-03 11:12:30 AM  

dothemath: The largest mass suicide in American history was originally planned as a mere "moment of silence" until the cultists discovered that the evening entertainment was Third Eye Blind, Sister Hazel, and Matchbox 20.


I guess Nickelback was unavailable
 
2020-12-03 11:14:22 AM  
It's Apprentice: Death to America Cults!
- The People's Temple
- Heaven's Gate
- Aum Shinrikyo 
- The Family 

Who will get a gold plated ak-47 to move on to the next round? 

Step forward The Family, you've been weak on recruitment and body count but you've got charisma, you're going to the next round. 

Jonestown, there's no question when it comes to what counts you've got the numbers. You're going to the next round. 

*commercial break* 

And we're back!

Aum Shinrikyo, Heaven's Gate, it all comes down to you. 

Heaven's Gate, your online marketing strategy is persistent and solid. You've got a unique group of identical members and the forced castration has not helped your recruitment efforts.

Aum Shinrikyo, you're obscure in America and that may seem like a liability but you've expanded well beyond your native Japan to Australia, Montenegro and Russia. You've diversified your membership internationally and courted Russian intelligence and wealthy Japanese elites. Your terrorism efforts are equally diversified. 

There's really no contesting it, Aum Shinrikyo, you are going to the next round. Heaven's Gate, well, I hope you finally get to see them aliens. 

Tune in next time to see which cult has what it takes to effect President Trump's policies through Twitter trolling.
 
2020-12-03 11:15:53 AM  

Super Chronic: NikolaiFarkoff: I remember a couple years ago at work, I made a reference to "they're all wearing the black and white Nikes" (akin to "drinking the Kool Aid," but less death-oriented) and quickly realized it was way too obscure for the audience.

But in my mind, these images were burned in my brain from an era before the mass media regularly showed dead bodies on TV:


https://www.vice.com/en/article/kbynmn​/the-heavens-gate-nikes-and-the-sneake​rheads-who-collect-them [Fark user image 800x508]

It's the kind of reference you could drop on Fark, add "/obscure?" at the end of your post, and get maybe a dozen smart votes. Not likely to resonate with a general audience, I would agree.

And although I remember the shoes, frankly I'm not sure I would have made that connection in my head immediately in a face-to-face conversation. (Another advantage of internet forums: I can momentarily whoosh, have an a-ha moment an hour later, and respond like I got the joke all along.)

I have, however, used "get on the spaceship and follow the comet," multiple times, recently. That one's harder to miss. (Not to derail the thread, but yes, I used it in a political context, referring to 70 million or so cult followers.)


Yeah, I had forgotten about the track suits and Nikes. The image that Heaven's Gate immediately triggers in my mind is the crazy eyed farker from the top of the article.
 
2020-12-03 11:17:28 AM  
Heavens Gate? pfft amateurs.  This is the event that scarred my childhood.
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2020-12-03 11:18:03 AM  
Purple_Urkle: Never mind Heaven's Gate. They're dead.

The last I heard, someone was still responding to queries sent to the website, which someone is still paying to keep up.  

They're an anti American cult, that chases wealth, cherry picks Christianity, has been supported by Russian intelligence (since the 1990s), there's over 30,000 cultists in Russia according to the BBC, and they have a history of doing research on bioweapons. They had an Australian anthrax ranch in the 1990s.

What's an anthrax ranch?
 
2020-12-03 11:18:53 AM  

stuffy: [th.bing.com image 474x362]
Amateurs never came close to the Peoples Temple.


You get the FIRST prize.

/knowing how this'll show up.
 
2020-12-03 11:27:39 AM  

stuffy: [th.bing.com image 474x362]
Amateurs never came close to the Peoples Temple.


I learned recently that Jim Jones was a popular community activist and preached all around good, non-denominational morals.  I always assume these cult leaders start out by gathering a small group of followers, but he was essentially a political celebrity for years with a message masses of people believed would make the world a better place.  I don't know what transitioned between marches for racial equality and mass suicide in a jungle compound though.
 
2020-12-03 11:27:48 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: Purple_Urkle: Never mind Heaven's Gate. They're dead.

The last I heard, someone was still responding to queries sent to the website, which someone is still paying to keep up.  

They're an anti American cult, that chases wealth, cherry picks Christianity, has been supported by Russian intelligence (since the 1990s), there's over 30,000 cultists in Russia according to the BBC, and they have a history of doing research on bioweapons. They had an Australian anthrax ranch in the 1990s.

What's an anthrax ranch?


Hidden Valley's secret lab.
 
2020-12-03 11:30:46 AM  

waxbeans: Sex is natural.
Anything that tries to abnormally modulate that. Should immediately be suspect.
🙄


So... marriage?  I was already eyeing priests with suspicion, anyway.
 
2020-12-03 11:34:37 AM  
I wonder if it freaked out Stephen King to hear that a cult ripped off his spaceship in a comet's tail narrative as their Final Solution doctrine?
 
2020-12-03 11:35:41 AM  
All this cult talk has me jonesing for some flavor-aid.
 
2020-12-03 11:43:50 AM  
I really liked the black nike's Then this group had to buy them up and never use them!
 
2020-12-03 11:45:35 AM  

mrmopar5287: They lived their life as they wanted to, didn't bother anyone else, and had firm conviction in their beliefs that was unwavering. That's actually notable compared to almost every other religion, so good for them.


Their families and loved ones may have a different opinion on that.
 
2020-12-03 11:45:50 AM  
You think that's bad wait until you hear about this Donald Trump guy.
 
2020-12-03 11:48:18 AM  

stuffy: [th.bing.com image 474x362]
Amateurs never came close to the Peoples Temple.


"We are not committing suicide, it's a revolutionary act."
 
2020-12-03 11:52:22 AM  

Vkingbanna: Heavens Gate? pfft amateurs.  This is the event that scarred my childhood. [Fark user image 850x478]



It's on YT

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2020-12-03 12:01:11 PM  
A buddy of mine was a member but walked away when he felt that Do was getting too controlling.  He had nothing but nice things to say about his time with them and was hit really hard when the news of their mass-suicide came out.
 
2020-12-03 12:07:37 PM  

Super Chronic: NikolaiFarkoff: I remember a couple years ago at work, I made a reference to "they're all wearing the black and white Nikes" (akin to "drinking the Kool Aid," but less death-oriented) and quickly realized it was way too obscure for the audience.

But in my mind, these images were burned in my brain from an era before the mass media regularly showed dead bodies on TV:


https://www.vice.com/en/article/kbynmn​/the-heavens-gate-nikes-and-the-sneake​rheads-who-collect-them [Fark user image 800x508]

It's the kind of reference you could drop on Fark, add "/obscure?" at the end of your post, and get maybe a dozen smart votes. Not likely to resonate with a general audience, I would agree.

And although I remember the shoes, frankly I'm not sure I would have made that connection in my head immediately in a face-to-face conversation. (Another advantage of internet forums: I can momentarily whoosh, have an a-ha moment an hour later, and respond like I got the joke all along.)

I have, however, used "get on the spaceship and follow the comet," multiple times, recently. That one's harder to miss. (Not to derail the thread, but yes, I used it in a political context, referring to 70 million or so cult followers.)


I use "Hale Bopp" as a greeting.  I don't socialize with enough astronomers for that to be an issue of confusion.

/I mean, beyond the obscurity due to time that Nikolai mentions
 
2020-12-03 12:07:58 PM  
Mostly they were just weird but kept to themselves Except for the whole suicide pact thing.  My 'nope I'm out' moment would be when they started talking about all the dudes cutting their nuts off.  Nope, Nope, Nope.
 
2020-12-03 12:09:03 PM  
The Last Podcast on the Left has an excellent series on Heavens Gate.
 
2020-12-03 12:18:28 PM  
Apparently Michael Cimino has a lot to answer for....

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/never seen it
//have heard the extended version is better
 
2020-12-03 12:19:57 PM  
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2020-12-03 12:20:34 PM  
I had no idea Jim Jones did so much good.  Aside from that ghastly business at the end of course.  Thanks Wikipedia!
 
2020-12-03 12:23:34 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: Now they're in a UFO following a comet.  Oh, imagine the places they'll go and the things they'll see in a slower than light vessel following a comet as it circles the solar system.  Hope time isn't a concept in death.


Except that the UFO they thought was coming to take them away was really an overexposed star on an amateur astronomer's image of the comet:

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He wasn't sure what it was, so of course he called Art Bell to report a "Saturn-like object" "following" the comet. And the rest is history.
 
2020-12-03 12:24:35 PM  

Purple_Urkle: there's over 30,000 cultists in Russia according to the BBC


To be more precise, the BBC reported Russian prosecutors saying that there may have been up to 30,000 members in Russian in 2016.
 
2020-12-03 12:39:28 PM  
Being a closeted, self-hating gay guy and convincing everyone else to not have sex so that you can feel better about yourself doesn't lead to good outcomes.
 
2020-12-03 12:46:43 PM  

Glorious Golden Ass: This program was a fantastic look inside Heaven's Gate.  I think just about anybody could get pulled in to a cult.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/​heavens-gate/id1292069401


That podcast is really really good.  The interviews with the former members are pretty insightful about how fairly normal people ended up in a cult and how hard it is to leave once your in.  On the other hand, they were only able to obtain about 70 followers in 25 years.

The most interesting thing was to find out that Marshall Applewhite got the idea from David Koresh and discussed mass suicide with and got the entire groups buy in a long time before they actually followed thru with it. And they kicked out the one guy that was not on board with suicide.

The website is still running by the way:  https://www.heavensgate.com
 
2020-12-03 12:49:05 PM  

Corn_Fed: Being a closeted, self-hating gay guy and convincing everyone else to not have sex so that you can feel better about yourself doesn't lead to good outcomes.


All cults use sex as a way to control members.  Generally you must remain celibate or you must have sex with everyone.

Some religion as well.
 
2020-12-03 1:01:22 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: Harry Freakstorm: Now they're in a UFO following a comet.  Oh, imagine the places they'll go and the things they'll see in a slower than light vessel following a comet as it circles the solar system.  Hope time isn't a concept in death.

Except that the UFO they thought was coming to take them away was really an overexposed star on an amateur astronomer's image of the comet:

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He wasn't sure what it was, so of course he called Art Bell to report a "Saturn-like object" "following" the comet. And the rest is history.


I remember hearing that call. Was pretty obvious what it was the next day.
The mass suicide happened months later, as I recall.

/Night-time radio is not nearly as much fun since Bell beamed out.
 
2020-12-03 1:16:06 PM  

Corn_Fed: Being a closeted, self-hating gay guy and convincing everyone else to not have sex so that you can feel better about yourself doesn't lead to good outcomes.


I mean except on, like, bulk Nike's.
 
2020-12-03 1:43:20 PM  
"Heaven's Gate failed miserably to attract fresh blood during the early '90s; in seminar videos from that decade, strangers are seen asking tough, skeptical questions, and often walking out rather than continuing to endure the hosts' sci-fi nonsense."

Thank heavens that the leaders of Heaven's Gate had nothing to do with Scientology. Scientology knows how to attract people with the reasonable sounding ideas first, and only AFTER they have you in their clutches do they feed you the "sci-fi nonsense."

If Heaven's Gate had tried to brainwash people using Scientology methods who knows? They might have been bigger than the Jim Jones cult.
 
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