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2020-12-02 2:09:00 PM  
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2020-12-02 2:18:09 PM  
Time to get rid of the EC.
 
2020-12-02 2:20:07 PM  
A sword that cuts both ways...how about that.
 
2020-12-02 2:23:50 PM  

teto85: Time to get rid of the EC.


Harder than just getting enough states to sign on to the popular vote pact.

Only need like 70 more electoral votes worth of states to jump on
 
2020-12-02 2:24:16 PM  
Biden got 7 million more votes than Trump but the difference between the two in the electoral college is less than 50k votes in three states


I pointed this out on a Facebook posts a couple of weeks ago. I was so annoyed with the constant drumbeat on MSNBC how Biden "decisively" won this election, when it was mathematically closer -- by about a third -- than the 2016 election.
 
2020-12-02 2:27:11 PM  

somedude210: teto85: Time to get rid of the EC.

Harder than just getting enough states to sign on to the popular vote pact.

Only need like 70 more electoral votes worth of states to jump on


Yep.  Get the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact done and the EC becomes moot.  Then we can work on amending the Constitution.

Of course, there are already huge legal battles underway to declare i unconstitutional.  If it is ever completed, we need to make sure that happens when the SCOTUS isn't likely to strike it down for their Republican masters.
 
2020-12-02 2:27:22 PM  

teto85: Time to get rid of the EC.


This.   If you live in California there is a sheep in Montana who's vote counts more than yours.  Seems fair.
 
2020-12-02 2:28:02 PM  
'Murica.
 
2020-12-02 2:28:31 PM  
I've got to drop this here...


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2020-12-02 2:30:31 PM  
It really wasn't all that close.
 
2020-12-02 2:31:59 PM  
Yup, give the libertarian votes to Trump and he wins.
 
2020-12-02 2:32:04 PM  
It was only that close due to all the Voter Suppression on the part of the Republican Party.  If the swing states had a more robust vote by mail system in place, Trump would have lost by an even larger margin.
 
2020-12-02 2:37:37 PM  
At least it's certainly great that all the land is represented even if people may not be. I was told there'd be no math but my intuilator sort of makes me feel like people do get their fair 60% share.
 
2020-12-02 2:46:58 PM  
Abolish the electoral college.
 
2020-12-02 2:50:10 PM  
Trump really played himself. He would have easily cruised to reelection if he had even pretended to care about the covid-19. All he had to do was do those daily briefings like Cuomo and said a bunch of platitudes about how we're strong and we'll get through this as a nation. Not only would he have easily won, they really might have put his big head on Mount Rushmore.

He should be remembered as one of the all-time great chumps for the way he lost this election.
 
2020-12-02 2:51:18 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: somedude210: teto85: Time to get rid of the EC.

Harder than just getting enough states to sign on to the popular vote pact.

Only need like 70 more electoral votes worth of states to jump on

Yep.  Get the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact done and the EC becomes moot.  Then we can work on amending the Constitution.

Of course, there are already huge legal battles underway to declare i unconstitutional.  If it is ever completed, we need to make sure that happens when the SCOTUS isn't likely to strike it down for their Republican masters.


link for anyone who hasn't heard of it
natl popular vote wikipedia
 
2020-12-02 3:00:35 PM  
Biden should have appealed more to the Trump voters.
 
2020-12-02 3:03:47 PM  
The Electoral College, folks. If it was good enough for your slaveowning great, great, great grandpappy, then it's good enough for you!
 
2020-12-02 3:03:54 PM  
What would those numbers look like if Fox News (and it's clones) didn't exist?
 
2020-12-02 3:04:04 PM  

Badmoodman: I've got to drop this here...


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2020-12-02 3:05:34 PM  
Why should we abide by the will of the people?
 
2020-12-02 3:05:54 PM  
States, how do they work?
 
2020-12-02 3:05:55 PM  

teto85: Time to get rid of the EC.


The time to get rid of it was 20 years ago, it's long overdue.
 
2020-12-02 3:06:14 PM  

JerseyTim: Trump really played himself. He would have easily cruised to reelection if he had even pretended to care about the covid-19. All he had to do was do those daily briefings like Cuomo and said a bunch of platitudes about how we're strong and we'll get through this as a nation. Not only would he have easily won, they really might have put his big head on Mount Rushmore.

He should be remembered as one of the all-time great chumps for the way he lost this election.


That stupid Superman shirt gag he was thinking about doing when he got out of the hospital might've pushed him over the finish line, and that should scare everyone.
 
2020-12-02 3:06:35 PM  
You know what. I'm done reliving the election. Wake me in January already. Well, I'll probably wake up to take a piss for the GA senate runoff, but then I'm going back to bed.
 
2020-12-02 3:07:01 PM  

Jake Havechek: Abolish the electoral college.


Hey, pipe down!  I've been repeatedly told by Fark moderates that such divisive language is what makes Democrats lose elections.
 
2020-12-02 3:08:19 PM  
It's because a big chunk of those votes came from one state- California. Some people try to make it sound like Biden had that level of support across all the states he won but that is not the way it is. It would be comforting to think we had that many sane people spread out across the country but the reality is we sane people are mostly gathered here in California.
 
2020-12-02 3:08:20 PM  

HerptheDerp: teto85: Time to get rid of the EC.

The time to get rid of it was 200 years ago, it's long overdue.


There ya go.
 
2020-12-02 3:08:20 PM  

lolmao500: Yup, give the libertarian votes to Trump and he wins.


There's no guarantee the libertarian voters would have voted for Trump - he was certainly one of their options and they chose to vote third party for someone they knew wasn't going to win anyway.

Without a Libertarian POTUS candidate there's a reasonable chance they would have either stayed home, left the POTUS block blank, or split their votes between Biden and Trump.
 
2020-12-02 3:08:30 PM  
When you can win the popular vote by 7 million, or lose it by 3 million, and wind up with the same EC result, your system is irrevocably broken.
 
2020-12-02 3:09:23 PM  
Biden won the national popular vote by 7 million. However, he won CA by 5 million, and NY by 2 million. The rest of the country is basically a tie. And that's terrible.
 
2020-12-02 3:09:50 PM  
[yawn]

In 2000 it was just 500 votes in Florida--I think that is noteworthy, anything before or since isn't.

10s of thousands of votes across a few states making a difference is just a day ending in Y for the EC. It needs to go.
 
2020-12-02 3:10:42 PM  
The electoral college is an indefensible farce that doesn't even accomplish what it was originally designed to do. The only reason we keep it around is because one of our political parties is so deeply unpopular that they cannot win without it, and they've convinced some rubes that weighting the scales in their favor is somehow fair.

Get rid of it.
 
2020-12-02 3:12:19 PM  

JerseyTim: He should be remembered as one of the all-time great chumps for the way he lost this election.


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2020-12-02 3:12:46 PM  

MattytheMouse: The electoral college is an indefensible farce that doesn't even accomplish what it was originally designed to do. The only reason we keep it around is because one of our political parties is so deeply unpopular that they cannot win without it, and they've convinced some rubes that weighting the scales in their favor is somehow fair.

Get rid of it.


That iswhat it was designed to do.
 
2020-12-02 3:12:47 PM  

HerptheDerp: teto85: Time to get rid of the EC.

The time to get rid of it was 20 years ago 1865, it's long overdue.


FTFY
 
2020-12-02 3:14:47 PM  

LucklessWonder: HerptheDerp: teto85: Time to get rid of the EC.

The time to get rid of it was 20 years ago 1865, 1789 it's long overdue.

FTFY


FTFTFY
 
2020-12-02 3:16:03 PM  
I have actually been wondering if Florida's new laws allowing former felons to vote actually backfired and got Republicans elected.  In the Panhandle, there are a lot of white neo-Nazi types who couldn't vote because of past convictions, and in South Florida, where Trump did surprisingly well among Cubans, Columbians, and Venezuelans, there are hell of a lot of Cubans, Columbians, and Venezuelans who had drug charges on them from running drugs back in the 80s, and that whole generation, and social group of cocaine cowboys is very right wing.  If you watched Narcos, you will remember that the guy running Miami was a Latino Nazi who just loved Adolph Hitler.
 
2020-12-02 3:16:17 PM  
Good.  That's how it works.  You can't just appeal to three cities in the entire country.  You gotta appeal to the rest of the country as well.
 
2020-12-02 3:16:27 PM  

Rwa2play: A sword that cuts both ways...how about that.


Cuts both ways how? In my lifetime, two Republican presidents have won the EC while losing the popular vote, compared to 0 Democrats. And in any case, Democrats have to win overwhelmingly in order to even have a voice.

I kind of admire how the Republican's have managed to game the system, while I loathe them for it.
 
2020-12-02 3:16:37 PM  

JerseyTim: Trump really played himself. He would have easily cruised to reelection if he had even pretended to care about the covid-19. All he had to do was do those daily briefings like Cuomo and said a bunch of platitudes about how we're strong and we'll get through this as a nation. Not only would he have easily won, they really might have put his big head on Mount Rushmore.

He should be remembered as one of the all-time great chumps for the way he lost this election.


Hell- what's even more frightening is that he probably would have stood a decent chance of winning if he'd only encouraged his cultists supporters to vote by mail/absentee ballot instead of spending the run-up to the election bashing it.
 
2020-12-02 3:16:53 PM  
I haven't accomplished much of anything in my 43 years on this planet but I'm proud to be one of those 44,000 votes and to have helped flip Arizona.
 
2020-12-02 3:17:52 PM  
wIsDoM oF tHe FoUnDeRs!
 
2020-12-02 3:18:22 PM  
Just to keep it in perspective flipping Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin would not give Trump 270 EC votes.  He would need another state and probably 100's of thousands more votes to win the EC..

In contrast if Hillary flipped WI, MI and PA with 75k votes in 2016 she would have won the EC.

Not to mention the wide gap in the popular vote.  By all measures Biden's victory in 2020 was much wider than Trump's in 2016.

The media called the 2016 a huge win, while the 2020 election victory a narrow one.  Both winners had the same EC college vote count (projected). Where is that famous media liberal bias?
 
2020-12-02 3:18:55 PM  

Spectrum: Biden won the national popular vote by 7 million. However, he won CA by 5 million, and NY by 2 million. The rest of the country is basically a tie. And that's terrible.


8 million.
 
2020-12-02 3:21:28 PM  

Badmoodman: Biden got 7 million more votes than Trump but the difference between the two in the electoral college is less than 50k votes in three states


I pointed this out on a Facebook posts a couple of weeks ago. I was so annoyed with the constant drumbeat on MSNBC how Biden "decisively" won this election, when it was mathematically closer -- by about a third -- than the 2016 election.


You have to sell that this was a repudiation of Trump... and racists... and toaster ovens or whatever in order to sleep at night because how could people disagree with you... you've got the moral 'high ground'.. inside your own head.
 
2020-12-02 3:21:48 PM  

JerseyTim: Trump really played himself. He would have easily cruised to reelection if he had even pretended to care about the covid-19. All he had to do was do those daily briefings like Cuomo and said a bunch of platitudes about how we're strong and we'll get through this as a nation. Not only would he have easily won, they really might have put his big head on Mount Rushmore.

He should be remembered as one of the all-time great chumps for the way he lost this election.


On top of that he had the house and near half the senate (democrats), begging to spend money and send checks to voters this summer and fall. He could have used the bully pulpit to whip yertle and the R's to vote for it.  They are all so afraid of his Twitter account and supporters. Tell me that wouldn't have been the difference.

However-many-dimensional-chess my ass! Dude is a dumbass. Racist one at that.
 
2020-12-02 3:22:05 PM  
What we must own up to: the US federal government is a piece of trash. How it's selected and organized, at least. The presidential system is a monarchy in all but name. We have an absurd number of veto points for law-making. Low-density population votes count vastly more than cities (which heavily subsidize rural areas). The patchwork of state vs. federal jurisdictions make bureaucracy unnavigable for both citizens and businesses. Similarly, outcomes of health, education, wages, etc. are highly unequal dependent largely on where you happen to be born.

The US system was already breaking down in the 1920s. WWII gave us extra legs and now we've spent them. If we do not adapt into nation accountable to the majority of its people, then we're done for. And regardless of geopolitics, climate change will grind us back into the Iron Age if we let the regressives and fascists shackle us.
 
2020-12-02 3:22:50 PM  

JerseyTim: Trump really played himself. He would have easily cruised to reelection if he had even pretended to care about the covid-19. All he had to do was do those daily briefings like Cuomo and said a bunch of platitudes about how we're strong and we'll get through this as a nation. Not only would he have easily won, they really might have put his big head on Mount Rushmore.

He should be remembered as one of the all-time great chumps for the way he lost this election.


That's what Parscale said. It's possible that sunk Parscale more than the numbers at the rally. Or both. Who knows anymore?

And more important, who cares?
 
2020-12-02 3:23:05 PM  
It's a 18th century system that every other democracy took a look at when they wrote their constitutions and said, "Yeaahhhh.... no thanks." With good reason. And that's why we can never be rid of it, ever!
 
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