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(Ars Technica)   A look inside Dishy McFlatface, the Starlink user terminal   (arstechnica.com) divider line
    More: Cool, Satellite, Printed circuit board, Satellite television, Engineer Ken Keiter, Smart antenna, SpaceX Starlink user terminal, satellite dish, Dishy McFlatface  
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2020-12-03 12:21:14 AM  
So I can mount it on a helmet. Fashion.

/ Muskhat love.
 
2020-12-03 12:35:54 AM  
Quite impressive! I wonder if the antenna costs more than the PCB?
 
2020-12-03 12:41:29 AM  
This is gonna be a money pit for Musk... until it's not. There are a ton of good ideas that fail because the initial investment would be too big or gen 1 of the product is too expensive. Musk has enough money and investors so he is basically immune to that. He'll eat all of the R&D and subsidize the first few generations because the product is a legitimate game changer.

Damn if I don't wish it was a less shiatty person doing all this, though.
 
2020-12-03 5:23:15 AM  
What so shiatty about Musk? Is he mass-murderer? Rapist? Does he, at least, has a private prison where he keeps people he didn't like for years? Okay, at the very least, did he kick the shiat out of somebody while his bodyguards were keeping that person lying on the floor, as even the NICEST rich people do in my part of the world?

He wasn't nice enough on the intertubes couple of times and his factories are not socialistic enough? Really? Really?!

You people are spoiled beyond measure.
 
2020-12-03 8:08:02 AM  
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Son of a biatch!   It's Morse code.  And not just International Morse, it's *RUSSIAN* Morse!
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In this case the '.' not being an actual period (.-.-.-), but by the looks of it start and stop characters, one at the beginning to signal the start, and two at the end to signal the end.

..  -- / .---  ---  -.-  ..  -.  --.
 
2020-12-03 8:13:57 AM  
FTFA:
SpaceX is charging $499 for the user terminal and $99 a month for broadband service.

That's.....    Pretty farking reasonable, actually.

When you consider that an Iridium Go! costs about $700 and a 60 minute a month plan costs you $99.
 
2020-12-03 8:19:37 AM  

Mr Tarantula: Damn if I don't wish it was a less shiatty person doing all this, though.


The sort of people who get things done tend to be shiatty people.   Yes, even your favorite politician is a shiatty person, regardless of the letter after their name.

shiatty people get things done because they don't care if your feelings get hurt, they want results.   If you can't find a way to get it done, they'll find someone else who can.  You may not like it, but it's the nature of the beast.
 
2020-12-03 8:25:44 AM  

Grahor: You people are spoiled beyond measure.


Well, their soma supplies must be low.
 
2020-12-03 10:23:24 AM  
Dishy obviously is not user-repairable. But Keiter said he can imagine some people putting the PCB and antenna array into a different enclosure. "You could design, realistically, your own base for Dishy pretty easily and I'm guessing that is in fact what some people may choose to do," he said.

That doesn't seem too likely.  Sure some people like to customized their devices, but I don't see a lot of Wifi and Disk Network antennas being decorated or otherwise gussied up.

More likely a few tinkerers will find uses for the phased array for terrestrial radio - maybe even radar - purposes.  The frequency range is likely to be pretty limited to the Starlink band(s), but I know I'd like to have at "terminal" to play with.
 
2020-12-03 10:24:12 AM  
* put my first paragraph above in italics, like I was quoting the article (which I was)
 
2020-12-03 10:28:06 AM  

Grahor: What so shiatty about Musk?


Ego and resulting instability is probably his largest weakness.  It's obvious he's got some good ideas and can get big shiat done.  But then he's got the wildly impractical and technically improbable Hyperloop idea which is already causing other people to waste their time and money (and taxpayer) money on.

Starlink is problematic too, but he seems to be making it happen.
 
2020-12-03 10:30:13 AM  

Grahor: What so shiatty about Musk? Is he mass-murderer? Rapist? Does he, at least, has a private prison where he keeps people he didn't like for years? Okay, at the very least, did he kick the shiat out of somebody while his bodyguards were keeping that person lying on the floor, as even the NICEST rich people do in my part of the world?

He wasn't nice enough on the intertubes couple of times and his factories are not socialistic enough? Really? Really?!

You people are spoiled beyond measure.


Your Honor, my client may be a union-busting, covid-denying, OSHA-cheating, stock market manipulating modern day robber baron, but at least he's not literally Hitler. You can't point out when people are shiatty unless they manage to be more shiatty than the shiattiest person ever, it's the law. I rest my case.

Your brain has spoiled.
 
2020-12-03 11:06:32 AM  

SansNeural: Grahor: What so shiatty about Musk?

Ego and resulting instability is probably his largest weakness.  It's obvious he's got some good ideas and can get big shiat done.  But then he's got the wildly impractical and technically improbable Hyperloop idea which is already causing other people to waste their time and money (and taxpayer) money on.


Hyperloop could be practical if five things were true:

1) Reduce the atmospheric pressure by 99% so that it's easier to build things that maintain a vacuum.
2) Eliminate all zoming laws and remove all pre-existing underground infrastructure.
4) Eliminate all major seismic activity.
4) An economy in which all real estate and rights-of-way are free.
5) An economy in which onstruction workers are so scarce that fully-autonomous boring machines are cheaper than hiring laborers.

Now where on earth might Elon Musk find a place like that?

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https://theconversation.com/elon-musk​s​-high-speed-hyperloop-train-makes-more​-sense-for-mars-than-california-43686

If a bunch of Earthling municipalities want to fund his preliminary R&D with taxpayer dollars, that's fine with me.
 
2020-12-03 11:13:58 AM  

SansNeural: Starlink is problematic too, but he seems to be making it happen.


Starlink is problematic?

It's already working (but not yet full capacity).  Is it the astronomy thing?
 
2020-12-03 11:44:09 AM  

dittybopper: SansNeural: Starlink is problematic too, but he seems to be making it happen.

Starlink is problematic?

It's already working (but not yet full capacity).  Is it the astronomy thing?


IIRC several satellites in the initial constellation have failed, causing service outages.

"Problematic," but not a big deal.
 
2020-12-03 12:04:21 PM  

dittybopper: SansNeural: Starlink is problematic too, but he seems to be making it happen.

Starlink is problematic?

It's already working (but not yet full capacity).  Is it the astronomy thing?


Yes, the astronomy thing but also the accumulation of LEO objects in general.  I do understand they plan to de-orbit retired sats responsibly so we'll see.  "Problematic" just because the benefits versus detriments isn't happily one-sided.
 
2020-12-03 3:10:51 PM  

SansNeural: I do understand they plan to de-orbit retired sats responsibly so we'll see.


It's not a question of "responsible deorbiting". Things in LEO fall down and burn on entry after some years if left unattended. That's all there is. 100% of satellites will fall down in relatively short period of time (like 5 years) no matter what. Zero probability of accumulation of anything beyond 5 years without boosting. Totally eco-friendly.
 
2020-12-03 3:24:49 PM  

TruBluTroll: Your Honor, my client may be a union-busting, covid-denying, OSHA-cheating, stock market manipulating modern day robber baron


Not a fan of unions, but no laws were broken? Covid - yeah, well, no one is perfect. As long as he isn't trying to play doctor, I'm ready to forgive him. By the way, my own relative, who is actually a doctor for her whole life, is a covid-denier, so I kind of tend to lower the bar for non-specialists in that area. OSHA - I haven't actually seen a lot of actual cheating there. Stock market - that shiat was born to be manipulated, I'm sorry, but whole last 25 years, starting with web boom, is one long huge manipulation. He certainly didn't go into Theranos realm of manipulation, so I tend to kind of give him a pass here, as long as everyone else, apparently, gets a pass too.

So, if that rather lackluster hippie trying, to the extent of his autistic abilities, to be nice, with big dreams but some derangement and relatively harmless dickishness is, for you, a modern robber baron, you are out of your farking mind. Have you read about the shiat robber barons pulled? Have you seen actual modern day robber barons in other nations? Have you actually seen the shiat people like small pizza place owners or small gaming company owners are doing sometimes? "robber baron", motherliker!

TruBluTroll: Hitler


So, you've goodwined yourself. Good job. Go troll someone else.
 
2020-12-03 4:04:25 PM  

SansNeural: dittybopper: SansNeural: Starlink is problematic too, but he seems to be making it happen.

Starlink is problematic?

It's already working (but not yet full capacity).  Is it the astronomy thing?

Yes, the astronomy thing but also the accumulation of LEO objects in general.  I do understand they plan to de-orbit retired sats responsibly so we'll see.  "Problematic" just because the benefits versus detriments isn't happily one-sided.


I have to be honest:  The idea of inexpensive relatively low-latency broadband internet access over the entire globe, even in the middle of the ocean, it's a pretty damned good idea if you ask me.

I'm willing to have a few downsides for that.

Hell, maybe when I retire I'll move into a remote Adirondack valley and still be able to annoy people here on Fark, thanks to Elon Musk's assholery.  Won't that be nice?
 
2020-12-03 4:27:37 PM  

Grahor: TruBluTroll: Your Honor, my client may be a union-busting, covid-denying, OSHA-cheating, stock market manipulating modern day robber baron

Not a fan of unions, but no laws were broken? Covid - yeah, well, no one is perfect. As long as he isn't trying to play doctor, I'm ready to forgive him. By the way, my own relative, who is actually a doctor for her whole life, is a covid-denier, so I kind of tend to lower the bar for non-specialists in that area. OSHA - I haven't actually seen a lot of actual cheating there. Stock market - that shiat was born to be manipulated, I'm sorry, but whole last 25 years, starting with web boom, is one long huge manipulation. He certainly didn't go into Theranos realm of manipulation, so I tend to kind of give him a pass here, as long as everyone else, apparently, gets a pass too.

So, if that rather lackluster hippie trying, to the extent of his autistic abilities, to be nice, with big dreams but some derangement and relatively harmless dickishness is, for you, a modern robber baron, you are out of your farking mind. Have you read about the shiat robber barons pulled? Have you seen actual modern day robber barons in other nations? Have you actually seen the shiat people like small pizza place owners or small gaming company owners are doing sometimes? "robber baron", motherliker!

TruBluTroll: Hitler

So, you've goodwined yourself. Good job. Go troll someone else.


Godwinning is not just saying the name Hitler. It's when you compare someone to Hitler, dim. If you reread, or maybe just read, my post, I didn't compare him to Hitler.

That was an awful lot of "giving him a pass" you seem to be doing there, based on what is obviously a loose understanding of any of the actual facts. Whataboutism, pleading ignorance, and moral relativism are all weak arguments. A relatively harmless dickish autistic lackluster hippie with some derangement is not the language that I would use. I'm just not a fan of how he treats his workers or perceived business rivals (or partners for that matter), or how he tends to pontificate publicly on healthcare matters as if he were an epidemiologist, only to embarrass himself (one might call that playing doctor, if they were so dickishly inclined). Also, he is a well known pedophile. Don't believe me? Ask his lawyers, and they'll tell you that publicly calling someone a pedophile is just an expression for "someone I don't like". Never mind any death threats you might get from people who take it seriously.

And as far as robber barons go, you better believe that if we didn't have 100 years of laws in place between him and paying his employees in company scrip, his employees would be spending their cryptocurrency MuskBucks at the company online marketplace. Hell, he's already said that if he manages to get his Mars colony started, it won't be subject to any terrestrial laws.

And honestly, none of this would make him stand out among his CEO peers in this day and age. You are right that his behavior is not particularly aberrant from other tech CEOs. The main difference is the cult of personality he has fostered, that encourages random strangers on the internet to defend or excuse everything he does when he gets even the tiniest pushback. There's a reason why that image of Apu jumping in front of the bullet gets posted in every single Musk thread, because there is a core truth behind it. You're just a weird internet guy defending Musk from valid criticism.
 
2020-12-03 4:40:59 PM  

dittybopper: SansNeural: dittybopper: SansNeural: Starlink is problematic too, but he seems to be making it happen.

Starlink is problematic?

It's already working (but not yet full capacity).  Is it the astronomy thing?

Yes, the astronomy thing but also the accumulation of LEO objects in general.  I do understand they plan to de-orbit retired sats responsibly so we'll see.  "Problematic" just because the benefits versus detriments isn't happily one-sided.

I have to be honest:  The idea of inexpensive relatively low-latency broadband internet access over the entire globe, even in the middle of the ocean, it's a pretty damned good idea if you ask me.

I'm willing to have a few downsides for that.

Hell, maybe when I retire I'll move into a remote Adirondack valley and still be able to annoy people here on Fark, thanks to Elon Musk's assholery.  Won't that be nice?


Oh, I agree with you.  Beats the hell out of store-and-forward Oscars in the sky.
 
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