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(The New York Times)   "Historic" agreement to normalize relations between Israel and Sudan, signed in October, is already on the verge of unravelling. Fark: because Congress isn't following through on the deal's promise to protect Sudan from terrorism-related lawsuits   (nytimes.com) divider line
    More: Awkward, Osama bin Laden, Al-Qaeda, United Arab Emirates, Sudan, Middle East, September 11 attacks, Egypt, new deadline  
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2020-12-02 11:32:49 AM  
In all fairness, the election is over.
 
2020-12-02 11:58:00 AM  
Fake "agreements" just don't hold up like the designer agreements do.
 
2020-12-02 12:19:53 PM  
The "peace agreement" is a crock of shiat.  It's an arms deal.
 
2020-12-02 12:28:07 PM  
Threatens peace in the... in the... vague general region they sort of not really inhabit.
 
2020-12-02 12:32:51 PM  
Jared wants to give Sudan immunity from prosecution as a state sponsor of terrorism in the future? Immunity for future terrorism? What a load of crap! That's like pardoning people for future crimes, or pardoning people for "everything." I'd expect this nonsense from someone in the Trump famil ... oh.
 
2020-12-02 2:13:49 PM  

Jake Havechek: The "peace agreement" is a crock of shiat.  It's an arms deal.


Aren't they all?
 
2020-12-02 2:14:06 PM  
I don't get why we're on the hook for bribes to other nations to be chummy with Israel. Israel has plenty of cash, they can pay their own bribes.
 
2020-12-02 2:15:29 PM  
Wow - Sudan believed Trump could get Congress to do anything. That wasn't very smart.
 
2020-12-02 2:20:36 PM  
Sedans just aren't as popular these days.
 
2020-12-02 2:21:36 PM  

DarwiOdrade: Wow - Sudan believed Trump could get Congress to do anything. That wasn't very smart.


If Congress said no, then nothing really changed for Sudan.  I think everyone's involvement outside of Jared and Friends was fairly low.  These "peace deals" just popped up one day with big announcements.  There wasn't the endless grind needed to get to Camp David or the Jordan-Israeli deals.  They were meant for reelection.  They weren't meant to do anything else besides sell arms.  Nobody really has anything to lose.
 
2020-12-02 2:21:54 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: I don't get why we're on the hook for bribes to other nations to be chummy with Israel. Israel has plenty of cash, they can pay their own bribes.


They don't negotiate with terrorists
 
2020-12-02 2:22:03 PM  
Congress isn't following through on the deal's promise to protect Sudan from terrorism-related lawsuits

Nancy Pelosi again, goddamnit so much.
 
2020-12-02 2:22:56 PM  
To be fair, achieving peace through selling guns was never actually going to work.
 
2020-12-02 2:23:19 PM  
Did they not get that it was a cheap political stunt created specifically for RW rubes in the US stupid enough to buy into Trump's "miracle in the ME" campaign crap?

Pretty sure Trump and Bibi both knew.

Seems kinda mean of them to have not let Sudan in on the secret.
 
2020-12-02 2:23:43 PM  
damn right! only tel aviv is allowed to do that bullshiat.  and us too, but thats it.  maybe GB (wink)   ..But that's it. so f off, sudan.
 
2020-12-02 2:23:51 PM  
Reading the article, seems like the main sticking point is Sudan doesn't want to be at risk of having to pay out to 9/11 victims if some future lawsuit finds them liable for the 9/11 attacks, because the dictator they just overthrew sheltered Bin Laden in the 90s.  So its not that they want blanket immunity from financial liability from future terrorist attacks, they just don't want to be held liable for the actions of the previous government.

Given their political and economic situation, I'm inclined to agree with their position here.
 
2020-12-02 2:24:54 PM  

Rapmaster2000: DarwiOdrade: Wow - Sudan believed Trump could get Congress to do anything. That wasn't very smart.

If Congress said no, then nothing really changed for Sudan.  I think everyone's involvement outside of Jared and Friends was fairly low.  These "peace deals" just popped up one day with big announcements.  There wasn't the endless grind needed to get to Camp David or the Jordan-Israeli deals.  They were meant for reelection.  They weren't meant to do anything else besides sell arms.  Nobody really has anything to lose.


That's not true, they were also meant to make Trump look like he had accomplished something leading up to the election.
 
2020-12-02 2:26:08 PM  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: To be fair, achieving peace through selling guns was never actually going to work.


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2020-12-02 2:27:43 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: I don't get why we're on the hook for bribes to other nations to be chummy with Israel. Israel has plenty of cash, they can pay their own bribes.


For the same reason that the IRA is popular in Boston, overthrowing Castro is popular in Miami, and defending Armenia is popular in Glendale.

Suggesting that Israel's favorable treatment is the end result of ethnic lobbying is anti-semitic though, so maybe not.
 
2020-12-02 2:30:41 PM  
What dumbass at the NYT actually believed it was a legitimate agreement?

/don't feel like checking right now
//the author is a dumbass
 
2020-12-02 2:32:23 PM  

houginator: Reading the article, seems like the main sticking point is Sudan doesn't want to be at risk of having to pay out to 9/11 victims if some future lawsuit finds them liable for the 9/11 attacks, because the dictator they just overthrew sheltered Bin Laden in the 90s.  So its not that they want blanket immunity from financial liability from future terrorist attacks, they just don't want to be held liable for the actions of the previous government.

Given their political and economic situation, I'm inclined to agree with their position here.


Whether they deserve immunity is for a court hearing all the evidence and applying all applicable laws to decide, not some two-bit hump in the White House trying to gin up an election surprise "peace deal,"
 
2020-12-02 3:08:37 PM  
Any deal involving Trump or Jared is doomed to fail.
 
2020-12-02 3:11:33 PM  
RyogaM:

Whether they deserve immunity is for a court hearing all the evidence and applying all applicable laws to decide

It's kind of funny; in one thread we have people claiming it shouldn't be possible for a foreign national to sue Americans despite the foreign national being turned into a slave to serve the American's interests, and in another we have Americans trying to justify using a warped version of 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon to defend the ability to sue a country because a government that has been out of power once had a minor association with someone a decade before he became a modern day super villain.
 
2020-12-02 3:13:36 PM  

LarryDan43: Any deal involving Trump or Jared is doomed to fail.


They got trumped in the jared.
 
2020-12-02 3:25:27 PM  
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2020-12-02 4:20:58 PM  
Did anyone bother asking Congress before they negotiated the agreement?
 
2020-12-02 4:34:13 PM  
Was never meant to be anything more than a photo op, and a flash paper thin "he gots peace in da middle east" talking point for his dipshiat cultist. Lasting beyond the first of the year was never a goal. Did anyone think this moron could pull of a real peace deal?
 
2020-12-02 4:40:57 PM  
I've been to Sudan. It's a hole.

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2020-12-02 6:53:53 PM  
Does the agreement also offer it to Israel?

Maybe that's the problem.
 
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