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2020-12-02 10:17:43 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: hugadarn: I dont know how hamming home the hypocrisy isn't a way of grabbing the narrative.

Because there's no positive narrative coming from Democrats. The conversation is still about what Republicans say and do, and not at all about what Democrats want to do or are doing. It's not grabbing control of the narrative, it's flat-out ceding the narrative to Republicans.

How is this so hard to understand?


Also this.

Democrats occasionally saying republicans are bad =\= them effectively messaging that republicans are bad.

It's like I said in another thread some days ago: it doesn't matter if Kamala Harris said during the VP debates that she's for decriminalizing weed. Nobody watched the debates, and that message still hasn't reached the broader public.
 
2020-12-02 10:18:26 AM  

rewind2846: Someone(s) in Trump's circle of hell is being investigated for bribery in return for presidential pardons RIGHT FARKING NOW, something that likely has NEVER been done in US history. And republicans have said nothing, as usual.

Republicans, I want to hear neither Jack nor Shat of what you have to say. Not one goddamn peep from your faces. Just STFU for the next four years and forever about "scandals". And f'k your pearls too.


I believe you but want to know more...citation please?
 
2020-12-02 10:18:54 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: The Homer Tax: AdmirableSnackbar: Go about your agenda without regard for Republican howling. Be merciless, pull every lever you need to pull to get the job done. Stop relying on Republican support or approval to do anything, just farking do what your voter base wants.

It's called governing, and I understand how you don't know what it is; you've never seen it before from Democrats.

How specifically do you "just do the things you want to do" in the American Legislative system without the Senate?

Republicans did it when they only had the House and Democrats had the White House and Senate. Figure it out.


There goal is to do nothing so that government shivles and dies. That is a lot easy than trying to get thing done. Look if your apartment was on fire one guy could block the door and keep everyone from getting out safety, but it would take some teamwork to put out the fire and fix the damage.
 
2020-12-02 10:20:40 AM  

hugadarn: AdmirableSnackbar: The Homer Tax: AdmirableSnackbar: Go about your agenda without regard for Republican howling. Be merciless, pull every lever you need to pull to get the job done. Stop relying on Republican support or approval to do anything, just farking do what your voter base wants.

It's called governing, and I understand how you don't know what it is; you've never seen it before from Democrats.

How specifically do you "just do the things you want to do" in the American Legislative system without the Senate?

Republicans did it when they only had the House and Democrats had the White House and Senate. Figure it out.

There goal is to do nothing so that government shivles and dies. That is a lot easy than trying to get thing done. Look if your apartment was on fire one guy could block the door and keep everyone from getting out safety, but it would take some teamwork to put out the fire and fix the damage.


OK? And?
 
2020-12-02 10:21:03 AM  

rewind2846: fzumrk: They "haven't seen those reports" so how can they have an opinion on that.

What year are you living in? Republicans have an "opinion" on shat they have never seen and will never see.


That's only when it serves their purposes. If it's something that makes them look bad or forces them to have a negative opinion of one of their cohorts, then they haven't seen it or they're not ready to comment on it (spoiler: they'll never be ready).
 
2020-12-02 10:21:04 AM  

Catlenfell: Now integrity is important to them.  I wonder what changed?


As with all hypocrites, someone elses integrity/honesty/actions will always be more important than their own.
"______ for thee, none for me"
 
2020-12-02 10:22:52 AM  
i'll tolerate zero lectures and/or concerns from gop pearl-clutchers.
you probably won't either.
unfortunately, the wishy-washy voters who are as solid in their beliefs as a foam cup in the surf will wreak havoc in the voting booth in two years because "HOW DARE THOSE DANG LIBERALS!..."
and, the general acceptance of Elliot Page's coming out may be all it takes to flip the congress

/we are SO weak
 
2020-12-02 10:23:09 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: hugadarn: AdmirableSnackbar: hugadarn: AdmirableSnackbar: Pointing out Republican hypocrisy is fun and all but it accomplishes nothing. They don't care; they have no shame. This just shows that the Democrats haven't learned a damn thing, ever. Merrick farking Garland anyone?

We need leadership that actually understands the lay of the land and the nature of Republicans and how to deal with them.

And what exactly should the strategy be? Be specific and show your work.

Go about your agenda without regard for Republican howling. Be merciless, pull every lever you need to pull to get the job done. Stop relying on Republican support or approval to do anything, just farking do what your voter base wants.

It's called governing, and I understand how you don't know what it is; you've never seen it before from Democrats.

So use tools you have to do stuff you can do? Things, you want them to do things?

It would be nice, for a change. Big things. Nibbling around the edges and doing almost nothing isn't working, if you haven't noticed. Trump winning in 2016 should have been a giant warning sign but it's clear that you're completely ignoring it. Nothing I can do about that, that's on you to learn from mistakes.


It must suck knowing that you'll never live to see your goals come to fruition.
 
2020-12-02 10:23:12 AM  
Republicans do not negotiate in good faith.  You get more traction by wrapping an aluminum baseball bat around their skull.
 
2020-12-02 10:23:47 AM  

Spartapuss: AdmirableSnackbar: hugadarn: AdmirableSnackbar: hugadarn: AdmirableSnackbar: Pointing out Republican hypocrisy is fun and all but it accomplishes nothing. They don't care; they have no shame. This just shows that the Democrats haven't learned a damn thing, ever. Merrick farking Garland anyone?

We need leadership that actually understands the lay of the land and the nature of Republicans and how to deal with them.

And what exactly should the strategy be? Be specific and show your work.

Go about your agenda without regard for Republican howling. Be merciless, pull every lever you need to pull to get the job done. Stop relying on Republican support or approval to do anything, just farking do what your voter base wants.

It's called governing, and I understand how you don't know what it is; you've never seen it before from Democrats.

So use tools you have to do stuff you can do? Things, you want them to do things?

It would be nice, for a change. Big things. Nibbling around the edges and doing almost nothing isn't working, if you haven't noticed. Trump winning in 2016 should have been a giant warning sign but it's clear that you're completely ignoring it. Nothing I can do about that, that's on you to learn from mistakes.

It must suck knowing that you'll never live to see your goals come to fruition.


It does, especially when it's people who claim to agree with my goals who are the ones preventing them from being realized.
 
2020-12-02 10:25:03 AM  

fzumrk: rewind2846: fzumrk: They "haven't seen those reports" so how can they have an opinion on that.

What year are you living in? Republicans have an "opinion" on shat they have never seen and will never see.

That's only when it serves their purposes. If it's something that makes them look bad or forces them to have a negative opinion of one of their cohorts, then they haven't seen it or they're not ready to comment on it (spoiler: they'll never be ready).


If some MSNBC or FNC commentator has seen the information then it's a really really REALLY safe bet that the powers that be in the republican party have already seen it, likely days before. Still, they say nothing. You would think they'd at least get out in front of it with their usual lies and bullshattery... nada. Nyet. Zero. Goose egg.
 
2020-12-02 10:25:07 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: hugadarn: AdmirableSnackbar: The Homer Tax: AdmirableSnackbar: Go about your agenda without regard for Republican howling. Be merciless, pull every lever you need to pull to get the job done. Stop relying on Republican support or approval to do anything, just farking do what your voter base wants.

It's called governing, and I understand how you don't know what it is; you've never seen it before from Democrats.

How specifically do you "just do the things you want to do" in the American Legislative system without the Senate?

Republicans did it when they only had the House and Democrats had the White House and Senate. Figure it out.

There goal is to do nothing so that government shivles and dies. That is a lot easy than trying to get thing done. Look if your apartment was on fire one guy could block the door and keep everyone from getting out safety, but it would take some teamwork to put out the fire and fix the damage.

OK? And?


Dude I'm asking you to clarify exactly what you want done. Both the goal and a strategy for getting there. I'm guessing I'm going to be waiting a long time.
 
2020-12-02 10:25:59 AM  
I want Dems to adopt AOC's attitude about those "overblown" accusations. Frame her dancing as an undergrad as a negative reflection on her character, and she will turn around and dance some more outside her office door.

I mean, those idiotic complaints against Obama could have been disarmed if he'd just responded with something like "imagine being the type of person who gets upset about someone wearing a tan suit."
 
2020-12-02 10:26:11 AM  

hugadarn: AdmirableSnackbar: hugadarn: AdmirableSnackbar: The Homer Tax: AdmirableSnackbar: Go about your agenda without regard for Republican howling. Be merciless, pull every lever you need to pull to get the job done. Stop relying on Republican support or approval to do anything, just farking do what your voter base wants.

It's called governing, and I understand how you don't know what it is; you've never seen it before from Democrats.

How specifically do you "just do the things you want to do" in the American Legislative system without the Senate?

Republicans did it when they only had the House and Democrats had the White House and Senate. Figure it out.

There goal is to do nothing so that government shivles and dies. That is a lot easy than trying to get thing done. Look if your apartment was on fire one guy could block the door and keep everyone from getting out safety, but it would take some teamwork to put out the fire and fix the damage.

OK? And?

Dude I'm asking you to clarify exactly what you want done. Both the goal and a strategy for getting there. I'm guessing I'm going to be waiting a long time.


You just put out a paragraph of complete nonsense, you didn't ask anything.
 
2020-12-02 10:27:00 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: They would act instead of looking for Republican approval before they say or do anything.


"Just act" isn't a thing in the American Legislative system, this is the whole point. You're screaming "Just do things!" over and over again, but that's not how any of this works.

The specific question is: do what, and how. These are important questions. They are questions that are asked in good faith, you're just upset because you don't have an answer.

AdmirableSnackbar: Republicans did it when they only had the House and Democrats had the White House and Senate. Figure it out.


What specifically  did republicans get accomplished unilaterally when they only had the house but not the senate or presidency? Top three legislative accomplishment's of the GOP during this time.
 
2020-12-02 10:27:08 AM  
Crossing my fingers they're playing the part of Martha Wayne, subby.
 
2020-12-02 10:28:55 AM  

Tarl3k: rewind2846: Someone(s) in Trump's circle of hell is being investigated for bribery in return for presidential pardons RIGHT FARKING NOW, something that likely has NEVER been done in US history. And republicans have said nothing, as usual.

Republicans, I want to hear neither Jack nor Shat of what you have to say. Not one goddamn peep from your faces. Just STFU for the next four years and forever about "scandals". And f'k your pearls too.

I believe you but want to know more...citation please?


Start here. Hell, start with google. It's on the front page of papers around the planet.
 
2020-12-02 10:29:11 AM  

cherryl taggart: Need to get Ted Lieu's team on it.  Get them to start pulling up video and audio clips, of each one smirking off whatever equates.  Since we have verified that there's always a tweet, and every accusation is a confession, there's a treasure trove to be flung in the face of whoever is pearl clutching.

Before allowing whatever Congresscritter is trying to get in your camera or microphone, pull up your handy file of clips from 2015-2020.  Have your production assistant waiting to hear whatever is the pearl of the moment, and as soon as that critter takes a breath, roll the archive material.


I nominate "i have a bo Burnham gif" for that job.  seems like they would excel in such a position
 
2020-12-02 10:31:29 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: The Homer Tax: AdmirableSnackbar: Go about your agenda without regard for Republican howling. Be merciless, pull every lever you need to pull to get the job done. Stop relying on Republican support or approval to do anything, just farking do what your voter base wants.

It's called governing, and I understand how you don't know what it is; you've never seen it before from Democrats.

How specifically do you "just do the things you want to do" in the American Legislative system without the Senate?

Republicans did it when they only had the House and Democrats had the White House and Senate. Figure it out.


So, you want the Democrats to hold a gun to America's proverbial head and use the threat of shutting down the Federal government to force the GOP to operate in good faith?
 
2020-12-02 10:35:23 AM  

The Homer Tax: The specific question is: do what, and how.


You know how the GOP shut out the entire Democratic party when drafting their Tax Scam bill, then only gave them two hours to read it prior to voting on it?

Democrats need to do that when they have the power. Sadly, they don't have the power going into 2021 to do anything meaningful since the Senate exists, but when they do have power they should wield it the same way the GOP does.
 
2020-12-02 10:35:26 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Spartapuss: AdmirableSnackbar: hugadarn: AdmirableSnackbar: hugadarn: AdmirableSnackbar: Pointing out Republican hypocrisy is fun and all but it accomplishes nothing. They don't care; they have no shame. This just shows that the Democrats haven't learned a damn thing, ever. Merrick farking Garland anyone?

We need leadership that actually understands the lay of the land and the nature of Republicans and how to deal with them.

And what exactly should the strategy be? Be specific and show your work.

Go about your agenda without regard for Republican howling. Be merciless, pull every lever you need to pull to get the job done. Stop relying on Republican support or approval to do anything, just farking do what your voter base wants.

It's called governing, and I understand how you don't know what it is; you've never seen it before from Democrats.

So use tools you have to do stuff you can do? Things, you want them to do things?

It would be nice, for a change. Big things. Nibbling around the edges and doing almost nothing isn't working, if you haven't noticed. Trump winning in 2016 should have been a giant warning sign but it's clear that you're completely ignoring it. Nothing I can do about that, that's on you to learn from mistakes.

It must suck knowing that you'll never live to see your goals come to fruition.

It does, especially when it's people who claim to agree with my goals who are the ones preventing them from being realized.


But you see your not helping at all. You are supervising a construction site, telling all the builders they are doing it wrong without offering any insight into how to do it better.
 
2020-12-02 10:35:51 AM  

SolderGlob: AdmirableSnackbar: The Homer Tax: AdmirableSnackbar: Go about your agenda without regard for Republican howling. Be merciless, pull every lever you need to pull to get the job done. Stop relying on Republican support or approval to do anything, just farking do what your voter base wants.

It's called governing, and I understand how you don't know what it is; you've never seen it before from Democrats.

How specifically do you "just do the things you want to do" in the American Legislative system without the Senate?

Republicans did it when they only had the House and Democrats had the White House and Senate. Figure it out.

So, you want the Democrats to hold a gun to America's proverbial head and use the threat of shutting down the Federal government to force the GOP to operate in good faith?


No, I want Democrats to act without regard to Republicans at all. Disregard them. Don't listen to them, don't let them control the narrative. I've never seen that in my lifetime and I'm not exactly young.

I'm not sure why Democrats always need Republicans to lead them around, but that's what we've had for the last 40 years.
 
2020-12-02 10:37:04 AM  

hugadarn: AdmirableSnackbar: Spartapuss: AdmirableSnackbar: hugadarn: AdmirableSnackbar: hugadarn: AdmirableSnackbar: Pointing out Republican hypocrisy is fun and all but it accomplishes nothing. They don't care; they have no shame. This just shows that the Democrats haven't learned a damn thing, ever. Merrick farking Garland anyone?

We need leadership that actually understands the lay of the land and the nature of Republicans and how to deal with them.

And what exactly should the strategy be? Be specific and show your work.

Go about your agenda without regard for Republican howling. Be merciless, pull every lever you need to pull to get the job done. Stop relying on Republican support or approval to do anything, just farking do what your voter base wants.

It's called governing, and I understand how you don't know what it is; you've never seen it before from Democrats.

So use tools you have to do stuff you can do? Things, you want them to do things?

It would be nice, for a change. Big things. Nibbling around the edges and doing almost nothing isn't working, if you haven't noticed. Trump winning in 2016 should have been a giant warning sign but it's clear that you're completely ignoring it. Nothing I can do about that, that's on you to learn from mistakes.

It must suck knowing that you'll never live to see your goals come to fruition.

It does, especially when it's people who claim to agree with my goals who are the ones preventing them from being realized.

But you see your not helping at all. You are supervising a construction site, telling all the builders they are doing it wrong without offering any insight into how to do it better.


I've offered specifics, you offer nonsense. Have a good one.
 
2020-12-02 10:37:59 AM  

SolderGlob: You know how the GOP shut out the entire Democratic party when drafting their Tax Scam bill, then only gave them two hours to read it prior to voting on it?

Democrats need to do that when they have the power. Sadly, they don't have the power going into 2021 to do anything meaningful since the Senate exists, but when they do have power they should wield it the same way the GOP does.


So this is kind of my whole point, right? Democrats *don't* have the power to do anything really, so balling up your fists and screaming "DO SOMETHING!" is pissing into the wind.
 
2020-12-02 10:37:59 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: hugadarn: AdmirableSnackbar: hugadarn: AdmirableSnackbar: The Homer Tax: AdmirableSnackbar: Go about your agenda without regard for Republican howling. Be merciless, pull every lever you need to pull to get the job done. Stop relying on Republican support or approval to do anything, just farking do what your voter base wants.

It's called governing, and I understand how you don't know what it is; you've never seen it before from Democrats.

How specifically do you "just do the things you want to do" in the American Legislative system without the Senate?

Republicans did it when they only had the House and Democrats had the White House and Senate. Figure it out.

There goal is to do nothing so that government shivles and dies. That is a lot easy than trying to get thing done. Look if your apartment was on fire one guy could block the door and keep everyone from getting out safety, but it would take some teamwork to put out the fire and fix the damage.

OK? And?

Dude I'm asking you to clarify exactly what you want done. Both the goal and a strategy for getting there. I'm guessing I'm going to be waiting a long time.

You just put out a paragraph of complete nonsense, you didn't ask anything.


Ok I'm done giving you the benefit of the doubt, stop being useless if you ever want to be taken seriously.
 
2020-12-02 10:39:05 AM  

hugadarn: AdmirableSnackbar: Pointing out Republican hypocrisy is fun and all but it accomplishes nothing. They don't care; they have no shame. This just shows that the Democrats haven't learned a damn thing, ever. Merrick farking Garland anyone?

We need leadership that actually understands the lay of the land and the nature of Republicans and how to deal with them.

And what exactly should the strategy be? Be specific and show your work.


I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess it's "cede all power to Bernie Sanders."
 
2020-12-02 10:39:57 AM  

hugadarn: AdmirableSnackbar: hugadarn: AdmirableSnackbar: hugadarn: AdmirableSnackbar: The Homer Tax: AdmirableSnackbar: Go about your agenda without regard for Republican howling. Be merciless, pull every lever you need to pull to get the job done. Stop relying on Republican support or approval to do anything, just farking do what your voter base wants.

It's called governing, and I understand how you don't know what it is; you've never seen it before from Democrats.

How specifically do you "just do the things you want to do" in the American Legislative system without the Senate?

Republicans did it when they only had the House and Democrats had the White House and Senate. Figure it out.

There goal is to do nothing so that government shivles and dies. That is a lot easy than trying to get thing done. Look if your apartment was on fire one guy could block the door and keep everyone from getting out safety, but it would take some teamwork to put out the fire and fix the damage.

OK? And?

Dude I'm asking you to clarify exactly what you want done. Both the goal and a strategy for getting there. I'm guessing I'm going to be waiting a long time.

You just put out a paragraph of complete nonsense, you didn't ask anything.

Ok I'm done giving you the benefit of the doubt, stop being useless if you ever want to be taken seriously.


Benefit of the doubt for what? You like living under trickle-down economics? You like when police lynch Black people? You like not having basic services that citizens of every developed country enjoy?

I'm done giving YOU the benefit of the doubt, ultimately you don't want to change any of those things.
 
2020-12-02 10:39:57 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: I've offered specifics,


You've literally offered zero specifics. "ACT!" and "DO THINGS!" are literally the least specific things one could say.

When I asked you for specifics you screamed at me that my question was not in good faith. If you have any actual specifics you would like to discuss, I'm happy to. But entertaining you any further at this point is silly.
 
2020-12-02 10:41:11 AM  

The Homer Tax: MattytheMouse:

I'd say stop trying to take the high road and actually try to run counter messaging against Republican bullshiat. Right now, Democrat's main strategy seems to be to let Republicans control the narrative, say whatever they want, and assume their constituents are smart enough to sift through the crap themselves.

But that's...literally what Schumer is doing here? He's calling them out on their bullshiat.


He's calling them out like he expects them to have shame about it. Quoting the rule book to rule-breakers doesn't stop them.

Don't send debate teams to a war.
 
2020-12-02 10:41:11 AM  
This is the prusik-knot that is Republican politics. They slide the rope where they want it, then lock it down while Democrats are in control. Then they slide it a little further, then lock it down. There is no give-and-take. There is only the inexorable march toward authoritarianism. What they did doesn't matter--they had to do it. But if it's not them doing it, it's not happening.
 
2020-12-02 10:42:11 AM  
How dare Schumer correctly pronounce a woman's name.  Has he no shame?
 
2020-12-02 10:42:13 AM  

The Homer Tax: AdmirableSnackbar: I've offered specifics,

You've literally offered zero specifics. "ACT!" and "DO THINGS!" are literally the least specific things one could say.

When I asked you for specifics you screamed at me that my question was not in good faith. If you have any actual specifics you would like to discuss, I'm happy to. But entertaining you any further at this point is silly.


We're talking about too broad a topic to offer specifics on any one thing. Ultimately it comes down to Democrats need to make an effort to make things happen, not ceding every argument to Republicans and letting Republicans control every conversation, as Schumer is doing here.

There's nothing specific in this case to offer except "do what you want, fark what Republicans want."

But even that's just too much for you to comprehend, so I can't imagine discussing policy implementation to you. It would take centuries and you're not worth the time.
 
2020-12-02 10:42:19 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: The GOP can:

1. Go fark themselves
2. Go fark themselves
and finally
3. Go fark themselves.

Lather.  Rinse.  Repeat.


Careful - If you say that three times into a mirror, you summon Mitch McConnell.
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2020-12-02 10:43:28 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Democrats still don't understand the game.


It's either that, or they understand it just fine because they're controlled opposition paid to pretend to want better things but counted on to take a dive when it matters.
 
2020-12-02 10:44:07 AM  

bluejeansonfire: HotWingConspiracy: Democrats still don't understand the game.

It's either that, or they understand it just fine because they're controlled opposition paid to pretend to want better things but counted on to take a dive when it matters.


It's pretty evident that the latter is the case. Has been for quite a while.
 
2020-12-02 10:44:09 AM  

rewind2846: fzumrk: rewind2846: fzumrk: They "haven't seen those reports" so how can they have an opinion on that.

What year are you living in? Republicans have an "opinion" on shat they have never seen and will never see.

That's only when it serves their purposes. If it's something that makes them look bad or forces them to have a negative opinion of one of their cohorts, then they haven't seen it or they're not ready to comment on it (spoiler: they'll never be ready).

If some MSNBC or FNC commentator has seen the information then it's a really really REALLY safe bet that the powers that be in the republican party have already seen it, likely days before. Still, they say nothing. You would think they'd at least get out in front of it with their usual lies and bullshattery... nada. Nyet. Zero. Goose egg.


They're playing Schrodinger's douchebag with their constituents and Trump. They stay silent on controversial issues so that the Trumpers can think that they're on their side and the moderate republicans can think they're on their side.
 
2020-12-02 10:44:20 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Democrats still don't understand the game.


They understand.  They refuse to play it.  It's a choice.
 
2020-12-02 10:45:35 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: The Homer Tax: AdmirableSnackbar: I've offered specifics,

You've literally offered zero specifics. "ACT!" and "DO THINGS!" are literally the least specific things one could say.

When I asked you for specifics you screamed at me that my question was not in good faith. If you have any actual specifics you would like to discuss, I'm happy to. But entertaining you any further at this point is silly.

We're talking about too broad a topic to offer specifics on any one thing. Ultimately it comes down to Democrats need to make an effort to make things happen, not ceding every argument to Republicans and letting Republicans control every conversation, as Schumer is doing here.

There's nothing specific in this case to offer except "do what you want, fark what Republicans want."

But even that's just too much for you to comprehend, so I can't imagine discussing policy implementation to you. It would take centuries and you're not worth the time.


I'm amazed. I thought for sure this guy had hit peak stupidity when he was trying to get Trump elected.
 
2020-12-02 10:45:46 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: The Homer Tax: AdmirableSnackbar: I've offered specifics,

You've literally offered zero specifics. "ACT!" and "DO THINGS!" are literally the least specific things one could say.

When I asked you for specifics you screamed at me that my question was not in good faith. If you have any actual specifics you would like to discuss, I'm happy to. But entertaining you any further at this point is silly.

We're talking about too broad a topic to offer specifics on any one thing. Ultimately it comes down to Democrats need to make an effort to make things happen, not ceding every argument to Republicans and letting Republicans control every conversation, as Schumer is doing here.

There's nothing specific in this case to offer except "do what you want, fark what Republicans want."

But even that's just too much for you to comprehend, so I can't imagine discussing policy implementation to you. It would take centuries and you're not worth the time.


So your specific plan is revolution. All right then! I can get behind that.
 
2020-12-02 10:47:06 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: SolderGlob: AdmirableSnackbar: The Homer Tax: AdmirableSnackbar: Go about your agenda without regard for Republican howling. Be merciless, pull every lever you need to pull to get the job done. Stop relying on Republican support or approval to do anything, just farking do what your voter base wants.

It's called governing, and I understand how you don't know what it is; you've never seen it before from Democrats.

How specifically do you "just do the things you want to do" in the American Legislative system without the Senate?

Republicans did it when they only had the House and Democrats had the White House and Senate. Figure it out.

So, you want the Democrats to hold a gun to America's proverbial head and use the threat of shutting down the Federal government to force the GOP to operate in good faith?

No, I want Democrats to act without regard to Republicans at all. Disregard them. Don't listen to them, don't let them control the narrative. I've never seen that in my lifetime and I'm not exactly young.

I'm not sure why Democrats always need Republicans to lead them around, but that's what we've had for the last 40 years.


I don't disagree with this at all. I'd like to see the Democrats utilize more of the tactics that the GOP uses to get their way, but therein lies the problem. The Democratic party wants a functioning federal government, the GOP doesn't, so they will use that as leverage to get whatever they want. When Democrats are arguing for stricter emissions regulations or healthcare it does nothing for them to threaten to shut down the government, and in fact works against them. The problem is that Democrats have no leverage with which to negotiate since the goals of the GOP and the goals of the Democratic party are in complete opposition to each other. 

You can't negotiate with someone willing and eager to kill the hostage.
 
2020-12-02 10:47:37 AM  

Spartapuss: So your specific plan is


You're like the 5th person in this thread to use this rhetorical tactic in bad faith. You should get some sort of prize.
 
2020-12-02 10:47:38 AM  
Republicans need to transition from denying the Biden presidency to actively obstructing it.  For the good of the country.
 
2020-12-02 10:48:51 AM  
Lot of Farkers biatch about Snacky but won't put him on ignore.
 
2020-12-02 10:48:53 AM  

SolderGlob: AdmirableSnackbar: SolderGlob: AdmirableSnackbar: The Homer Tax: AdmirableSnackbar: Go about your agenda without regard for Republican howling. Be merciless, pull every lever you need to pull to get the job done. Stop relying on Republican support or approval to do anything, just farking do what your voter base wants.

It's called governing, and I understand how you don't know what it is; you've never seen it before from Democrats.

How specifically do you "just do the things you want to do" in the American Legislative system without the Senate?

Republicans did it when they only had the House and Democrats had the White House and Senate. Figure it out.

So, you want the Democrats to hold a gun to America's proverbial head and use the threat of shutting down the Federal government to force the GOP to operate in good faith?

No, I want Democrats to act without regard to Republicans at all. Disregard them. Don't listen to them, don't let them control the narrative. I've never seen that in my lifetime and I'm not exactly young.

I'm not sure why Democrats always need Republicans to lead them around, but that's what we've had for the last 40 years.

I don't disagree with this at all. I'd like to see the Democrats utilize more of the tactics that the GOP uses to get their way, but therein lies the problem. The Democratic party wants a functioning federal government, the GOP doesn't, so they will use that as leverage to get whatever they want. When Democrats are arguing for stricter emissions regulations or healthcare it does nothing for them to threaten to shut down the government, and in fact works against them. The problem is that Democrats have no leverage with which to negotiate since the goals of the GOP and the goals of the Democratic party are in complete opposition to each other. 

You can't negotiate with someone willing and eager to kill the hostage.


That's why you don't negotiate with the GOP. You work to defeat them and do what the fark you want. You know this, right, and are just putting on an act here, right? I certainly hope so.
 
2020-12-02 10:49:02 AM  

The Homer Tax: SolderGlob: You know how the GOP shut out the entire Democratic party when drafting their Tax Scam bill, then only gave them two hours to read it prior to voting on it?

Democrats need to do that when they have the power. Sadly, they don't have the power going into 2021 to do anything meaningful since the Senate exists, but when they do have power they should wield it the same way the GOP does.

So this is kind of my whole point, right? Democrats *don't* have the power to do anything really, so balling up your fists and screaming "DO SOMETHING!" is pissing into the wind.


Pretty much. It also makes it unreasonable to sit here and pre-emptively attack the Democrats for not getting anything done when the opposition is willing to shut the entire government down for the next four years.
 
2020-12-02 10:50:03 AM  

Snatch Bandergrip: Lot of Farkers biatch about Snacky but won't put him on ignore.


Hell, they can't even figure out why they're mad at me other than insufficient loyalty and deference to The Party.
 
2020-12-02 10:51:17 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: hugadarn: AdmirableSnackbar: hugadarn: AdmirableSnackbar: hugadarn: AdmirableSnackbar: The Homer Tax: AdmirableSnackbar: Go about your agenda without regard for Republican howling. Be merciless, pull every lever you need to pull to get the job done. Stop relying on Republican support or approval to do anything, just farking do what your voter base wants.

It's called governing, and I understand how you don't know what it is; you've never seen it before from Democrats.

How specifically do you "just do the things you want to do" in the American Legislative system without the Senate?

Republicans did it when they only had the House and Democrats had the White House and Senate. Figure it out.

There goal is to do nothing so that government shivles and dies. That is a lot easy than trying to get thing done. Look if your apartment was on fire one guy could block the door and keep everyone from getting out safety, but it would take some teamwork to put out the fire and fix the damage.

OK? And?

Dude I'm asking you to clarify exactly what you want done. Both the goal and a strategy for getting there. I'm guessing I'm going to be waiting a long time.

You just put out a paragraph of complete nonsense, you didn't ask anything.

Ok I'm done giving you the benefit of the doubt, stop being useless if you ever want to be taken seriously.

Benefit of the doubt for what? You like living under trickle-down economics? You like when police lynch Black people? You like not having basic services that citizens of every developed country enjoy?

I'm done giving YOU the benefit of the doubt, ultimately you don't want to change any of those things.


Wow you certainly have created a narrative about things you don't know anything about.  I am a proponents of agressive wealth redistribution, universal health care, and UBI. But, I advocate a specific strategy to move towards those things while trying to stop the bleeding and triage for the most vulnerable populations on the way. I advocate Democrats move away from omnibus legislation and allowing Republicans to add riders to every single bill. Progressive ideas poll well in isolation so try to pass them that way. If that doesn't work try to use referendums at the local level to prove that point.
 
2020-12-02 10:51:47 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Spartapuss: So your specific plan is

You're like the 5th person in this thread to use this rhetorical tactic in bad faith. You should get some sort of prize.


I'm one of many people to point out that nothing you've offered up works within the frame of our government. Don't reflect on that though, everyone else is the asshole.
 
2020-12-02 10:52:09 AM  

hugadarn: Wow you certainly have created a narrative about things you don't know anything about.  I am a proponents of agressive wealth redistribution, universal health care, and UBI. But, I advocate a specific strategy to move towards those things while trying to stop the bleeding and triage for the most vulnerable populations on the way. I advocate Democrats move away from omnibus legislation and allowing Republicans to add riders to every single bill. Progressive ideas poll well in isolation so try to pass them that way. If that doesn't work try to use referendums at the local level to prove that point.


At what point do you expect Democrats to start working for the things you want?
 
2020-12-02 10:52:45 AM  

SolderGlob: The problem is that Democrats have no leverage with which to negotiate since the goals of the GOP and the goals of the Democratic party are in complete opposition to each other.


Have you considered that instead of actually trying to pass legislation in order to enact the things that they want they should "Just do something?"
 
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