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2020-12-01 6:12:45 PM  
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2020-12-01 6:13:27 PM  
There's still time for another impeachment before he leaves. It would make for a lovely Christmas gift.
 
2020-12-01 6:16:27 PM  
I might have to call a doctor in 4 hours
 
2020-12-01 6:17:18 PM  
Youch - I think previous Court rulings have used that as an example of an invalid pardon.
 
2020-12-01 6:17:37 PM  
T**** is a crook?  Whodathunkit?
 
2020-12-01 6:18:20 PM  
My money is on Powell.  Got Flynn a pardon in exchange for the crazy legal stuff.  Explains why they were so eager to point out she wasn't part of the White House team.
 
2020-12-01 6:19:01 PM  
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2020-12-01 6:19:26 PM  
This Bill Barr Justice Department.

He'll only have 50 something days to shut it down and lose all the files
 
2020-12-01 6:20:09 PM  

vygramul: Youch - I think previous Court rulings have used that as an example of an invalid pardon.


There is no such previous federal case, as far as I know.

There are about 400 billion speculative Tweets and op eds about that idea, give or take several hundred billion.
 
2020-12-01 6:23:23 PM  

NeoCortex42: There's still time for another impeachment before he leaves. It would make for a lovely Christmas gift.


No really, they go on recess December 18th
 
2020-12-01 6:25:02 PM  
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2020-12-01 6:27:51 PM  
The redacted names are all very short. Like, 5 characters short.

How many letters are in Flynn
 
2020-12-01 6:29:12 PM  
I'll bet Rudy was the middle man, now who paid for a pardon?
 
2020-12-01 6:30:21 PM  

shastacola: I'll bet Rudy was the middle man, now who paid for a pardon?


My money's on Stone
 
2020-12-01 6:31:32 PM  
This could bring the end to Trump's presidency.
 
2020-12-01 6:31:33 PM  
Anyone got speculation on which pardon this might relate to?

I'm thinking Conrad Black, Mike Milken, maybe?  But Black was an old friend and Milken is the type Trump idolized in the 80s.

Odds-on favorite might be Paul Pogue, whose family gave a quarter mill to Trump's Victory Fund, which he's been able to use as a piggybank. News story here:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/famil​y​-texas-man-trump-pardoned-dished-donat​ions-reelection/story?id=69070481
 
2020-12-01 6:36:35 PM  
I really want to know how much a pardon goes for these days.
 
2020-12-01 6:42:51 PM  
Trump will pardon himself for selling pardons?
 
2020-12-01 6:47:33 PM  

Gubbo: The redacted names are all very short. Like, 5 characters short.

How many letters are in Flynn


Same number that are in Stone. Or Trump.
 
2020-12-01 6:48:03 PM  
Bill Barr's getting thrown under the entire bus fleet for this.
 
2020-12-01 6:48:32 PM  

Gubbo: The redacted names are all very short. Like, 5 characters short.

How many letters are in Flynn


Whoever it was , they surrendered to the BOP at some point.  I don't think Flynn spent even a minute in federal prison, so maybe Stone?  Manafort is too long for most of the redactions.  There is also some allusion to unpaid hours for someone on some lobbying stuff deserving "compensation" where and either Stone or Manafort (or even Flynn, really) would fit
 
2020-12-01 6:49:18 PM  

OptionC: Gubbo: The redacted names are all very short. Like, 5 characters short.

How many letters are in Flynn

Whoever it was , they surrendered to the BOP at some point.  I don't think Flynn spent even a minute in federal prison, so maybe Stone?  Manafort is too long for most of the redactions.  There is also some allusion to unpaid hours for someone on some lobbying stuff deserving "compensation" where and either Stone or Manafort (or even Flynn, really) would fit


Elliot Broidy also fits both name-wise, lobbying-wise, and needing-a-pardon-wise.
 
2020-12-01 6:50:17 PM  

Gubbo: The redacted names are all very short. Like, 5 characters short.

How many letters are in Flynn


More than are in "Michael".

"Roger" and "Stone" on the other hand...
 
2020-12-01 6:51:26 PM  
 
2020-12-01 6:52:35 PM  

Gubbo: The redacted names are all very short. Like, 5 characters short.


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2020-12-01 6:53:32 PM  
The court order and heavily-redacted opinion that triggered this reporting is here:

https://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/sites/dc​d​/files/20gj35%20Partial%20Unsealing%20​Order.pdf

Basically, the order and opinion relate to an on-going investigation that seized a lot of email and other comms between some lawyers and some other parties and the judge had to rule on what part of the comms were subject to attorney-client privilege.  Part of the dispute is over whether someone involved in the case was acting as a lobbyist without properly registering as such, which in itself is a crime.  As part of all that, they turned up the pay-for-pardon scheme.

It's not clear whether the pardon was actually obtained so that opens up the universe of potential people on the bad side of this case.  If no pardon was ever granted, then Trump is probably not particularly involved in this one.  (And of course then it wouldn't involve my earlier candidates of Black, Milken or Pogue, who did get pardons.)
 
2020-12-01 7:04:52 PM  
Ok, so, a few things for our logic puzzle:

1) Each of the emails the government wants to use were sent to someone with a name at least 10 letters long who is NOT an attorney.  This solves their privilege issue.  So Mr. Longname is involved but I have no idea who this could be.

2)  The target has a short name (5-6 letters) and surrendered to the BOP at some point.  I think Broidy or Stone are the obvious choices here.

3) Someone with a 6ish letter name was in contact with the target's defense counsel leading up to his surrender

4) "5-6 letter name", not "6-7 letter name", asked "person who is clearly Rudy Giuliani" to for help on getting a pardon secured for the target
 
2020-12-01 7:07:24 PM  
It's just Borat, via Giuliani
 
2020-12-01 7:07:41 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Trump will pardon himself for selling pardons?


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2020-12-01 7:08:17 PM  

NeoCortex42: shastacola: I'll bet Rudy was the middle man, now who paid for a pardon?

My money's on Stone


Same here. This is a document from earlier this year. The only person he pardoned this year until last week was Stone wasn't it?
 
2020-12-01 7:09:35 PM  

wejash: The court order and heavily-redacted opinion that triggered this reporting is here:

https://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/sites/dcd​/files/20gj35%20Partial%20Unsealing%20​Order.pdf

Basically, the order and opinion relate to an on-going investigation that seized a lot of email and other comms between some lawyers and some other parties and the judge had to rule on what part of the comms were subject to attorney-client privilege.  Part of the dispute is over whether someone involved in the case was acting as a lobbyist without properly registering as such, which in itself is a crime.  As part of all that, they turned up the pay-for-pardon scheme.

It's not clear whether the pardon was actually obtained so that opens up the universe of potential people on the bad side of this case.  If no pardon was ever granted, then Trump is probably not particularly involved in this one.  (And of course then it wouldn't involve my earlier candidates of Black, Milken or Pogue, who did get pardons.)


Just because no pardon was granted does not mean that Trump was not particularly involved. The content of the communications may indicate one way or another. It will be very interesting to learn who was involved in those communications and what was offered, because that could be a sh*tshow for people in its own right.

The bribery for pardon scheme dates back to at least August of 2020. Stone had been pardoned by then, but it's possible that communications were relayed after that. Flynn had not been pardoned yet, so he's number one. Brody is a very good bet, because he's all about shady money transfers. Beyond that, you're right, there are a ton of possibles out there.
 
2020-12-01 7:12:19 PM  

OptionC: 2)  The target has a short name (5-6 letters) and surrendered to the BOP at some point.  I think Broidy or Stone are the obvious choices here.


Flynn.
 
2020-12-01 7:12:32 PM  

naughtyrev: Flynn had not been pardoned yet, so he's number one.


I think Flynn is excluded since he never surrendered to BOP

2)  The target has a short name (5-6 letters) and surrendered to the BOP at some point.  I think Broidy or Stone are the obvious choices here.
 
2020-12-01 7:13:01 PM  
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2020-12-01 7:23:36 PM  

naughtyrev: wejash: The court order and heavily-redacted opinion that triggered this reporting is here:

https://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/sites/dcd​/files/20gj35%20Partial%20Unsealing%20​Order.pdf

Basically, the order and opinion relate to an on-going investigation that seized a lot of email and other comms between some lawyers and some other parties and the judge had to rule on what part of the comms were subject to attorney-client privilege.  Part of the dispute is over whether someone involved in the case was acting as a lobbyist without properly registering as such, which in itself is a crime.  As part of all that, they turned up the pay-for-pardon scheme.

It's not clear whether the pardon was actually obtained so that opens up the universe of potential people on the bad side of this case.  If no pardon was ever granted, then Trump is probably not particularly involved in this one.  (And of course then it wouldn't involve my earlier candidates of Black, Milken or Pogue, who did get pardons.)

Just because no pardon was granted does not mean that Trump was not particularly involved. The content of the communications may indicate one way or another. It will be very interesting to learn who was involved in those communications and what was offered, because that could be a sh*tshow for people in its own right.

The bribery for pardon scheme dates back to at least August of 2020. Stone had been pardoned by then, but it's possible that communications were relayed after that. Flynn had not been pardoned yet, so he's number one. Brody is a very good bet, because he's all about shady money transfers. Beyond that, you're right, there are a ton of possibles out there.



I don't think Stone counts.  He's an asset to Trump and Trump identifies with him and his insanity.  No one needed to pay to play there.  Broidy is still awaiting sentencing, I don't think he'd be reporting to BOP yet.

I don't think it's anyone that makes a lot of news, frankly.
 
2020-12-01 7:25:42 PM  
I wonder if Dump ever floated the idea of a pardon to Cohen who was recording it?  It'd be pretty sweet knowing that Cohen has been hanging on to Dump's bullet since he's been in jail (and released) already....
 
2020-12-01 7:27:19 PM  

wejash: I don't think it's anyone that makes a lot of news, frankly.


Pence?

Or, one of Trump's crackerjack lawyers tried to pay money to get Trump himself a pardon.
 
2020-12-01 7:29:00 PM  

wejash: I don't think Stone counts.  He's an asset to Trump and Trump identifies with him and his insanity.  No one needed to pay to play there.  Broidy is still awaiting sentencing, I don't think he'd be reporting to BOP yet.


If part of Stone's pardon campaign was "Hey remember all the work I did for you and I can do more in the future" that is still bribery.  Unless I missed something, there is no allegation of cash payment in the unredacted portions, merely "an offer of a substantial political contribution".  And I guess Broidy is out if he hasn't been sentenced yet

wejash: I don't think it's anyone that makes a lot of news, frankly.


Or this.  But I am still leaning towards Stone.
 
2020-12-01 7:31:50 PM  

NateAsbestos: wejash: I don't think it's anyone that makes a lot of news, frankly.

Pence?

Or, one of Trump's crackerjack lawyers tried to pay money to get Trump himself a pardon.


Whoever it was, they went to Federal prison at some point during the Trump administration and had a name shorter than "Manafort".   That should cut the candidates by quite a bit.

North_Central_Positronics: I wonder if Dump ever floated the idea of a pardon to Cohen who was recording it?  It'd be pretty sweet knowing that Cohen has been hanging on to Dump's bullet since he's been in jail (and released) already....


Cohen would be the plot-twist candidate.
 
2020-12-01 7:37:59 PM  
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2020-12-01 7:39:49 PM  

thorpe: Gubbo: The redacted names are all very short. Like, 5 characters short.

T R _ _ _


Did gates get a pardon?
 
2020-12-01 7:40:00 PM  

NeoCortex42: There's still time for another impeachment before he leaves. It would make for a lovely Christmas gift.


Impeachmas?
 
2020-12-01 7:43:04 PM  

standardeviation: thorpe: Gubbo: The redacted names are all very short. Like, 5 characters short.

T R _ _ _

Did gates get a pardon?


Has he been sentenced yet?  If so, he's *definitely* a candidate.
 
2020-12-01 7:43:42 PM  
Obama, knowing they are closing in on his many crimes, funneled money through Barron's shell company (Silver Spoon LLC) to Trump. Study it out.
 
2020-12-01 7:43:46 PM  
Michael Flynn or Roger Stone

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2020-12-01 7:49:23 PM  
guarantee you Paul Pogue is one of those that bribed his way into a pardon. Michael Flynn too.

>Pogue, the founder and executive of McKinney, Texas-based construction company Pogue Construction, pleaded guilty in 2010 for under-reporting his taxable income in 2004, 2005 and 2006, failing to pay more than $400,000 taxes owed. In 2019, Pogue's son Ben Pogue and daughter-in-law Ashleigh Pogue gave a total of $238,541 to Trump Victory, a vehicle for Trump's reelection campaign.

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of​_people_granted_executive_clemency_by_​Donald_Trump)
 
2020-12-01 7:50:13 PM  
Donny Pardon is the name of my Dolly Parton/Shoegaze cover band.
 
2020-12-01 7:54:33 PM  
The timeline on this might end up being really important.

Remember: In January, they nominated then-USA for DC Jessie Liu for a Treasury job that she wasn't qualified for, and then abruptly removed her to install Barr's toadie, Tim Shea. Shea carried the Trumpy water there until May, when he was replaced by Michael Sherwin and was the one who personally approved the decision to turn internal FBI documents over to Flynn's lawyers when Barr tried to intervene in the case to get it dismissed.

The DC US Attorney's office has been rotten as fark since January.
 
2020-12-01 7:56:39 PM  
Based on length of redaction and possessive noun ending in "s" with unredacted trailing apostrophe, some are guessing it's Rick Gates since the doc apparently references someone currently incarcerated.
(Is Rick Gates currently incarcerated?)

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2020-12-01 7:57:16 PM  
Question: is Trump or anyone at the White House implicated? Or is it just the solicitor of the bribe?
 
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