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2020-12-01 10:35:34 PM  
911s a joke in your hood.
 
2020-12-01 10:38:29 PM  
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

/the invisible hand of the free market will figure all of this out
//it's only a problem in blue states
///wear a mask
 
2020-12-01 10:39:52 PM  
I saw thousands and thousands of Republicans cheering when 911 went down.
 
2020-12-01 10:44:15 PM  
Moscow Mitch absolutely does not want to spend tax dollars to help states, cities... or medical facilities.
 
2020-12-01 10:45:14 PM  
Wouldn't want to be a paramedic these days.
 
2020-12-01 10:46:06 PM  
Ambulance services and in particular the insane charging model (or lack thereof) was already a disaster before COVID. Fall off your bike break a leg and get an ambulance ride to the hospital?  Is it free, $100, $500, $5,000 or wild card?  You just don't know. Because America.
 
2020-12-01 10:47:35 PM  
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2020-12-01 10:48:31 PM  
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Get up a get get down.
 
2020-12-01 10:50:38 PM  
Maybe it should die?
 
2020-12-01 10:51:19 PM  

cefm: Ambulance services and in particular the insane charging model (or lack thereof) was already a disaster before COVID. Fall off your bike break a leg and get an ambulance ride to the hospital?  Is it free, $100, $500, $5,000 or wild card?  You just don't know. Because America.


Just another example of how backwards and disastrously broken the American healthcare system is.
 
2020-12-01 10:56:30 PM  
Public Enemy - 911 is a Joke (1990)
Youtube CPNK0VspQ0M
 
2020-12-01 10:56:55 PM  

LordJiro: cefm: Ambulance services and in particular the insane charging model (or lack thereof) was already a disaster before COVID. Fall off your bike break a leg and get an ambulance ride to the hospital?  Is it free, $100, $500, $5,000 or wild card?  You just don't know. Because America.

Just another example of how backwards and disastrously broken the American healthcare system is.


You'd better pray that the closest hospital is the one you bought insurance with. If it's a competitor, best to jump out the ambulance doors and hope for a quick death under a truck.
 
2020-12-01 11:01:20 PM  
Best healthcare in the world!
 
2020-12-01 11:02:45 PM  

Toxophil: LordJiro: cefm: Ambulance services and in particular the insane charging model (or lack thereof) was already a disaster before COVID. Fall off your bike break a leg and get an ambulance ride to the hospital?  Is it free, $100, $500, $5,000 or wild card?  You just don't know. Because America.

Just another example of how backwards and disastrously broken the American healthcare system is.

You'd better pray that the closest hospital is the one you bought insurance with. If it's a competitor, best to jump out the ambulance doors and hope for a quick death under a truck.


That goes double if you are in San Francisco and see "Zuckerberg"  in the name.

https://www.vox.com/2019/4/16/1841090​5​/zuckerberg-san-francisco-hospital-bil​ls
 
2020-12-01 11:03:53 PM  
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2020-12-01 11:09:27 PM  
FTA- "the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services refuses to reimburse companies for this method of treatment if the patient isn't technically transported."

Wait.  So somebody is seriously ill enough they call 911, ambulance shows up.  A paramedic making 10 bucks an hour, checks their BP and then???

The person just refuses to be transported to the hospital?

Regardless, these are private ambulance companies, the solution is pretty simple.  You called 911 said you had an emergency. Either get on the ambulance and be transported to a hospital, or drive yourself to an ER.

And don't call 911 unless it's an actual emergency.  That's the ONLY thing 911 is for.
 
2020-12-01 11:11:09 PM  
You profit off of people's suffering.  Get farked.
 
2020-12-01 11:12:14 PM  

cefm: Ambulance services and in particular the insane charging model (or lack thereof) was already a disaster before COVID. Fall off your bike break a leg and get an ambulance ride to the hospital?  Is it free, $100, $500, $5,000 or wild card?  You just don't know. Because America.


If you call an ambulance for a broken leg, you deserve whatever insane bill you get.

If you can't afford a car to drive the person with a broken leg to the hospital, you aren't paying the bill anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
 
2020-12-01 11:16:38 PM  

Toxophil: You'd better pray that the closest hospital is the one you bought insurance with. If it's a competitor, best to jump out the ambulance doors and hope for a quick death under a truck.


CSB:

Last year, I was at work, I could feel my mind rapidly clouding and my left side becoming paralyzed. Pretty sure I was having a stroke (I was).

Before calling 911 for an ambulance, I used my one working hand to log in to my insurance company's site and find the nearest hospital in my network.

'Merica!

/CSB
 
2020-12-01 11:17:00 PM  
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2020-12-01 11:17:25 PM  

chuggernaught: You profit off of people's suffering.  Get farked.


According to the article, that's kind of the problem.  They AREN'T making any profit.

So basically you can have ambulances that operate for profit, or you can have no ambulances.  You tell me which is preferable?
 
2020-12-01 11:18:33 PM  

LordJiro: cefm: Ambulance services and in particular the insane charging model (or lack thereof) was already a disaster before COVID. Fall off your bike break a leg and get an ambulance ride to the hospital?  Is it free, $100, $500, $5,000 or wild card?  You just don't know. Because America.

Just another example of how backwards and disastrously broken the American healthcare system is.


Its only broken if you dont own an ambulance company!

So like only broken for 99.9% of people. Just as god intended or something.
 
2020-12-01 11:29:11 PM  
" 911, what is your emergency?"
" I need a bambalance."
" Sir?"
" I hit a deer with my car, thought it was dead, threw it in the back seat, now it's still alive and kicked the shiat out of me, so now I'm in a mufuggin fone booth and a bigass dog is tryin' ta bite my ass and take the deer."
" So, you need help?"
" Yeah, who gets the deer, me or the dog?"
 
2020-12-01 11:36:57 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: chuggernaught: You profit off of people's suffering.  Get farked.

According to the article, that's kind of the problem.  They AREN'T making any profit.

So basically you can have ambulances that operate for profit, or you can have no ambulances.  You tell me which is preferable?


In a just society? Ambulance would be like Police or Fire service. Covered by taxes at the city or county level.
 
2020-12-01 11:38:32 PM  

Pats_Cloth_Coat: Toxophil: You'd better pray that the closest hospital is the one you bought insurance with. If it's a competitor, best to jump out the ambulance doors and hope for a quick death under a truck.

CSB:

Last year, I was at work, I could feel my mind rapidly clouding and my left side becoming paralyzed. Pretty sure I was having a stroke (I was).

Before calling 911 for an ambulance, I used my one working hand to log in to my insurance company's site and find the nearest hospital in my network.

'Merica!

/CSB


This absolutely sounds like something I'd do. Then again, FloridaBlue has a strict policy of not covering anyone competent, so I'd probably be better off just making myself comfortable.
 
2020-12-01 11:39:50 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: If you call an ambulance for a broken leg, you deserve whatever insane bill you get.

If you can't afford a car to drive the person with a broken leg to the hospital, you aren't paying the bill anyway, so it doesn't really matter.


you break a leg on a bicycle, jogging, skiing or in a farking car accident you'll call an ambulance. Duh

GrizzlyPouch: According to the article, that's kind of the problem. They AREN'T making any profit.

So basically you can have ambulances that operate for profit, or you can have no ambulances. You tell me which is preferable?


Because that's the only model: a for profit corporation

Know how the nation's blood supply is managed: a non-profit

Know how we deliver police and fire protection? Socialism.
 
2020-12-01 11:41:58 PM  

Pats_Cloth_Coat: Toxophil: You'd better pray that the closest hospital is the one you bought insurance with. If it's a competitor, best to jump out the ambulance doors and hope for a quick death under a truck.

CSB:

Last year, I was at work, I could feel my mind rapidly clouding and my left side becoming paralyzed. Pretty sure I was having a stroke (I was).

Before calling 911 for an ambulance, I used my one working hand to log in to my insurance company's site and find the nearest hospital in my network.

'Merica!

/CSB


Wow, that's insane. I guess I'm lucky living where I do, there are 3 medical systems and all 3 have been in network my entire adult life. Then again even when I've had medical issues while traveling around the country Cigna has always been able to find me an in-network provider close to wherever I happen to be, even if that's at the North Rim of the Grand Canyon (hospital in Kanab was in-network, I'm from Ohio).
 
2020-12-01 11:43:55 PM  

buzzcut73: GrizzlyPouch: chuggernaught: You profit off of people's suffering.  Get farked.

According to the article, that's kind of the problem.  They AREN'T making any profit.

So basically you can have ambulances that operate for profit, or you can have no ambulances.  You tell me which is preferable?

In a just society? Ambulance would be like Police or Fire service. Covered by taxes at the city or county level.


Good idea!  I'm sure we can all agree government run police has been a smashing success in America!  Right?
 
2020-12-01 11:47:05 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: chuggernaught: You profit off of people's suffering.  Get farked.

According to the article, that's kind of the problem.  They AREN'T making any profit.

So basically you can have ambulances that operate for profit, or you can have no ambulances.  You tell me which is preferable?


The model from my hometown was pretty good. They were part of this service that everyone pooled payments into to keep afloat called the "Fire Department".
 
2020-12-01 11:48:16 PM  
GrizzlyPouch:

Good idea!  I'm sure we can all agree government run police has been a smashing success in America!  Right?

Now there's an industry in need of some competition. Do you want to subscribe to Blackwater or the Pinkertons?
 
2020-12-01 11:48:50 PM  

frestcrallen: Wouldn't want to be a paramedic these days.


It wasn't much fun before the pandemic, it straight up sucks now.

GrizzlyPouch: Wait.  So somebody is seriously ill enough they call 911, ambulance shows up.  A paramedic making 10 bucks an hour, checks their BP and then???

The person just refuses to be transported to the hospital?


The majority of the time, the patient doesn't call 911.  It's usually family, a bystander, police, or nursing home staff.  But even amongst the patients who do call themselves, sometimes their symptoms resolve, sometimes they changes their mind, sometimes we treat and release them (hypoglycemic diabetics, some asthma attacks, some nausea/vomiting, nosebleeds) and sometimes they just want to be checked out, which can involve a little more than just a BP.

I also make just shy of $30/hr, but EMS is lowly paid in many areas of the US.
 
2020-12-01 11:49:02 PM  

buzzcut73: GrizzlyPouch: chuggernaught: You profit off of people's suffering.  Get farked.

According to the article, that's kind of the problem.  They AREN'T making any profit.

So basically you can have ambulances that operate for profit, or you can have no ambulances.  You tell me which is preferable?

In a just society? Ambulance would be like Police or Fire service. Covered by taxes at the city or county level.


Huh, another thing I guess I take for granted, even in the Republican controlled areas around here EMS is part of the Fire department in pretty much any incorporated municipality.
 
2020-12-01 11:49:51 PM  

fredbox: GrizzlyPouch: chuggernaught: You profit off of people's suffering.  Get farked.

According to the article, that's kind of the problem.  They AREN'T making any profit.

So basically you can have ambulances that operate for profit, or you can have no ambulances.  You tell me which is preferable?

The model from my hometown was pretty good. They were part of this service that everyone pooled payments into to keep afloat called the "Fire Department".


But, how can a government service make profit for old white guys???
I don't think it can.
Therefore it's no good and gotta go.
 
2020-12-01 11:52:25 PM  

Pats_Cloth_Coat: GrizzlyPouch: If you call an ambulance for a broken leg, you deserve whatever insane bill you get.

If you can't afford a car to drive the person with a broken leg to the hospital, you aren't paying the bill anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

you break a leg on a bicycle, jogging, skiing or in a farking car accident you'll call an ambulance. Duh


What's the first thing the 911 operator asks when you call?  What's your EMERGENCY right?

If you break your leg skiing or biking, again don't whine about the bill for requesting emergency service in a non-emergency situation.

Car accident is a little different, you could have other injuries that aren't apparent.  Still.  If you feel fine, you don't HAVE to get on the ambulance.
 
2020-12-01 11:54:49 PM  

robodog: buzzcut73: GrizzlyPouch: chuggernaught: You profit off of people's suffering.  Get farked.

According to the article, that's kind of the problem.  They AREN'T making any profit.

So basically you can have ambulances that operate for profit, or you can have no ambulances.  You tell me which is preferable?

In a just society? Ambulance would be like Police or Fire service. Covered by taxes at the city or county level.

Huh, another thing I guess I take for granted, even in the Republican controlled areas around here EMS is part of the Fire department in pretty much any incorporated municipality.


EMS is part of almost every fire department because that is the only way to justify their budgets, but not a lot of fire departments actually operate ambulances (some big cities do, I know there are major exceptions to this).

And if your bio is accurate and you live in Cleveland, the ambulance is operated by the city, not the fire department (though still a municipal service which is nice).
 
2020-12-02 12:06:39 AM  
Private ambulances. FFS, America.
 
2020-12-02 12:06:40 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: If you break your leg skiing or biking, again don't whine about the bill for requesting emergency service in a non-emergency situation.


Dafuq? I'm out for a bike ride, I break my leg, I should hitchhike to the doctor?


A situation might not be life-threatening but you are in need of emergency assistance.

As for "if you can drive yourself", about 8 years ago I drove myself to an urgent care. They insisted on sending me to the hospital in an ambulance.

Guess you think I should have refused the advice of medical professionals and been more bootstrappy
 
2020-12-02 12:11:30 AM  
Rule #1: you NEVER call the police

/what are you, stupid or somethinf
 
2020-12-02 12:13:07 AM  

lolmao500: [911 pizzarea]


We actually have a 911 themed pizza place here, but...
...it's a bit more firefighter themed.

Not sure how to make a joke about that place...
 
2020-12-02 12:17:41 AM  

Be polite walk on the right: Rule #1: you NEVER call the police

/what are you, stupid or somethinf


If there's a fire, call the fire department.
If there's an injury, call paramedics.
If there's a crime, call a lawyer.

Only call the police if you want someone shot.
 
2020-12-02 12:17:46 AM  

Toxophil: 911s a joke in your hood.


Done in one.
 
2020-12-02 12:20:54 AM  

Ganon D. Mire: Be polite walk on the right: Rule #1: you NEVER call the police

/what are you, stupid or somethinf

If there's a fire, call the fire department.
If there's an injury, call paramedics.
If there's a crime, call a lawyer.

Only call the police if you want someone shot.


You should also call the lawyer if you have a health emergency, it's probably cheaper to pay their hourly rate to drive you there anyway, and you'll definitely come out ahead if they're there to review the paperwork for you.
 
2020-12-02 12:29:42 AM  

fredbox: Ganon D. Mire: Be polite walk on the right: Rule #1: you NEVER call the police

/what are you, stupid or somethinf

If there's a fire, call the fire department.
If there's an injury, call paramedics.
If there's a crime, call a lawyer.

Only call the police if you want someone shot.

You should also call the lawyer if you have a health emergency, it's probably cheaper to pay their hourly rate to drive you there anyway, and you'll definitely come out ahead if they're there to review the paperwork for you.


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A good lawyer would see right through any chargemaster billing shenanigans.
 
2020-12-02 12:32:13 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: If you can't afford a car to drive the person with a broken leg to the hospital, you aren't paying the bill anyway, so it doesn't really matter.


Do you ever read what you post? Even a "free" hospital gets paid by...wait for it...your taxes. But wait, there's more! Call right NOW and I'll DOUBLE the offer with this free leaflet explaining how the poor get f*cked harder on such taxes (just pay a separate S&H fee).
 
2020-12-02 12:36:22 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: FTA- "the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services refuses to reimburse companies for this method of treatment if the patient isn't technically transported."

Wait.  So somebody is seriously ill enough they call 911, ambulance shows up.  A paramedic making 10 bucks an hour, checks their BP and then???

The person just refuses to be transported to the hospital?

Regardless, these are private ambulance companies, the solution is pretty simple.  You called 911 said you had an emergency. Either get on the ambulance and be transported to a hospital, or drive yourself to an ER.

And don't call 911 unless it's an actual emergency.  That's the ONLY thing 911 is for.


what if someone stole my weed?!?

that's an emergency too
 
2020-12-02 12:40:44 AM  

chuggernaught: You profit off of people's suffering.  Get farked.


glad to know you work for free.

or is your customer service job at the mall more important than doctors, nurses, EMTs, firefighters, etc?
 
2020-12-02 12:45:33 AM  
i dunna.
I was a fan ,almost converted a 65 Deluxe Microbus to run that flat 6 powertrain, but things changed.

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I will own an old one, someday. but with an automatic transmission, unless I get new knees.
 
2020-12-02 12:51:31 AM  
That's why you need to call the new number.

0118 999 881 999 119 7253 | The IT Crowd
Youtube ab8GtuPdrUQ
 
2020-12-02 1:02:44 AM  

Ganon D. Mire: If there's a fire, call the fire department.
If there's an injury, call paramedics.
If there's a crime, call a lawyer.

Only call the police if you want someone shot.


Police make contact with about 50,000,000 people each year. They make about 10,000,000 arrests per year, and shoot about 1,000 people, about 40 of whom are unarmed.

The probability of the police shooting someone if you call them is almost zero.
 
2020-12-02 1:19:11 AM  

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Get up a get get down.


Corvus: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/CPNK0Vsp​Q0M]



Oh My...the fire wagon is coming for somebody.
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