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2020-12-01 5:39:17 PM  
Maybe they can hire some developers
 
2020-12-01 5:57:29 PM  
27 billion for....what exactly is slack. I always assume it's like a glorified instant messenger platform?
 
2020-12-01 6:20:28 PM  

Gubbo: 27 billion for....what exactly is slack. I always assume it's like a glorified instant messenger platform?


They paid $15 billion for crappier online Excel.....I mean Tableau.

Not exactly sure what they are aiming for here.
 
2020-12-01 6:24:11 PM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Gubbo: 27 billion for....what exactly is slack. I always assume it's like a glorified instant messenger platform?

They paid $15 billion for crappier online Excel.....I mean Tableau.

Not exactly sure what they are aiming for here.


Normally when I see these kinds of numbers and companies I assume that the Japanese money laundering powerhouse of SoftBank is involved

/I can think of no other reason for the things SoftBank does
 
2020-12-01 6:30:32 PM  

Gubbo: DoBeDoBeDo: Gubbo: 27 billion for....what exactly is slack. I always assume it's like a glorified instant messenger platform?

They paid $15 billion for crappier online Excel.....I mean Tableau.

Not exactly sure what they are aiming for here.

Normally when I see these kinds of numbers and companies I assume that the Japanese money laundering powerhouse of SoftBank is involved

/I can think of no other reason for the things SoftBank does


Ehh could just be for licensing revenue.  Just keep them as separate companies doing their thing, though a Slack integration in SFDC would be nice as Chatter is "meh" at best.  But the companies they are picking up seem to have healthy revenue streams.
 
2020-12-01 6:36:29 PM  
I've learned not to question too much the acquisitions that Salesforce has done. In the early days when they were buying things, I thought they were just being immature with their vision, being too grand. But they've turned most of them into integral pieces of their platform. They seem to be able to integrate a higher percentage of acquisitions than their competitors.

I can't envision a 27b investment getting them even that back, but, I've doubted them in the past and they are a hell of a competitor.
 
2020-12-01 6:37:42 PM  
What does Slack have that we didn't already have with FB and Gmail?
 
2020-12-01 6:40:03 PM  

Gubbo: 27 billion for....what exactly is slack. I always assume it's like a glorified instant messenger platform?


27 billion for a platform with logs that contain admin credentials and vital trade secrets for thousands of companies.

/ or, yes, literally ICQ or IRC with slightly easier gif posting and 500x the memory footprint.
 
2020-12-01 6:44:48 PM  

studebaker hoch: What does Slack have that we didn't already have with FB and Gmail?


The notification settings are easier to configure to something sane than email clients are, despite complaints about them being terrible. They're much better than email, especially in the hands of a non-nerd. And the UI is far less generally-shiat than Facebook, though still not great.
 
2020-12-01 6:45:41 PM  
Salesforce was so bad/bloated (in my very limited experience).  Then again, could be the company that I worked for and their implementation of it.
 
2020-12-01 6:45:50 PM  
My company uses SalesForce.  I've seen many such platforms.  This is supposed to be the cream of the crop?

I think I speak for most people that use it when I say, it's a pile of shiat.  A huge, confusing, inconsistent, unreliable, buggy, difficult to use, pile of shiat.

It's like they had 1000 developers all working on different parts of the thing, never communicated with each other, then just slapped all the modules together and said, "perfect!"
 
2020-12-01 6:49:38 PM  
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2020-12-01 6:50:45 PM  

Gubbo: 27 billion for....what exactly is slack. I always assume it's like a glorified instant messenger platform?


IRC for modern times, effectively.
 
2020-12-01 6:51:16 PM  

durbnpoisn: My company uses SalesForce.  I've seen many such platforms.  This is supposed to be the cream of the crop?

I think I speak for most people that use it when I say, it's a pile of shiat.  A huge, confusing, inconsistent, unreliable, buggy, difficult to use, pile of shiat.

It's like they had 1000 developers all working on different parts of the thing, never communicated with each other, then just slapped all the modules together and said, "perfect!"


All their developer-wrangling stuff makes way more sense when you consider it as being 100% designed for middle managers and PMs, with zero regard for how useful or usable it is for people actually making things, even though they are like 95% of the users.
 
2020-12-01 6:53:11 PM  
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2020-12-01 6:53:26 PM  

studebaker hoch: What does Slack have that we didn't already have with FB and Gmail?


Slack is a lot more like a modern IRC alternative.

I like it, but I can't fathom why companies pay money for it.
 
2020-12-01 6:55:41 PM  
(And, of course, I'm late to the party...)
 
2020-12-01 6:56:16 PM  

Gubbo: 27 billion for....what exactly is slack. I always assume it's like a glorified instant messenger platform?


It's Skype and Zoom but a different name.
 
2020-12-01 6:56:25 PM  

durbnpoisn: My company uses SalesForce.  I've seen many such platforms.  This is supposed to be the cream of the crop?

I think I speak for most people that use it when I say, it's a pile of shiat.  A huge, confusing, inconsistent, unreliable, buggy, difficult to use, pile of shiat.

It's like they had 1000 developers all working on different parts of the thing, never communicated with each other, then just slapped all the modules together and said, "perfect!"


That's middleware for you.

I haven't used it or it's competitors myself, but from what I understand, these thigns exist to make oil and water mix; when done right, the results can be fantastic - but when done wrong, it just makes a mess.
 
2020-12-01 6:58:12 PM  

fallingcow: durbnpoisn: My company uses SalesForce.  I've seen many such platforms.  This is supposed to be the cream of the crop?

I think I speak for most people that use it when I say, it's a pile of shiat.  A huge, confusing, inconsistent, unreliable, buggy, difficult to use, pile of shiat.

It's like they had 1000 developers all working on different parts of the thing, never communicated with each other, then just slapped all the modules together and said, "perfect!"

All their developer-wrangling stuff makes way more sense when you consider it as being 100% designed for middle managers and PMs, with zero regard for how useful or usable it is for people actually making things, even though they are like 95% of the users.


Yep. The developers aren't the ones buying it though, it is the PM's and middle managers with the purse strings, so it is they who is the target market for the sale.
 
2020-12-01 6:58:17 PM  
BFD
 
2020-12-01 7:00:15 PM  

durbnpoisn: My company uses SalesForce.  I've seen many such platforms.  This is supposed to be the cream of the crop?

I think I speak for most people that use it when I say, it's a pile of shiat.  A huge, confusing, inconsistent, unreliable, buggy, difficult to use, pile of shiat.

It's like they had 1000 developers all working on different parts of the thing, never communicated with each other, then just slapped all the modules together and said, "perfect!"


I've never used a vanilla salesforce instance before. It's always some cobbled together frankenstein monster of 3rd party plug-ins, homemade API calls, etc.

I don't love Salesforce, but I've used a lot worse.
 
2020-12-01 7:02:02 PM  

Fara Clark: BFD


Its a BFD to me! I bought a chunk of Slack back in April or May and its been bleeding all year! Now I'm up 40% in 7 months.
 
2020-12-01 7:06:00 PM  
Of course while I'm dissing this, I'm begging my company to let me use Trello, which is just a glorified task list.

So what do I know
 
2020-12-01 7:19:19 PM  
Now both of them can stop biatching about Microsoft and Google
 
2020-12-01 7:23:37 PM  
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slack is something
you just can't buy
 
2020-12-01 7:23:45 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Slack is a lot more like a modern IRC alternative.

I like it, but I can't fathom why companies pay money for it.


My company has Skype for corporate communication, although we're going to Microsoft Teams soon.

My office, though, uses RocketChat, because for 30 users, a small VM is powerful enough to host chat and memes, and sometimes it's nice to communicate outside the grasp of Big Corporate. And if the boss says I need to delete the database, then sudo rm -rf and it's gone.
 
2020-12-01 7:24:14 PM  
Using Slack at work right now.  I had no idea this was such a big deal.
 
2020-12-01 7:34:39 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: studebaker hoch: What does Slack have that we didn't already have with FB and Gmail?

Slack is a lot more like a modern IRC alternative.

I like it, but I can't fathom why companies pay money for it.


Because IRC is really damn useful, but everybody wants somebody else to run the server.
 
2020-12-01 7:39:07 PM  
*shudder* Salesforce.

As someone who was a CRM Admin and also processed data from clients out of Salesforce, I've come to loathe that company.
 
2020-12-01 7:47:47 PM  

Gubbo: 27 billion for....what exactly is slack. I always assume it's like a glorified instant messenger platform?


Its like everything else, and probably countless products alphabet and the likes rolled out, blew people's mind, but nobody used them right.

I've seen organizations use it to tremendous benefit. I've seen some use it where it basically comes off as a somewhat rudimentary version of AIM.

Its all about how you do it. Same thing with Teams, Discord, etc.

Notes in its hayday was a hell of a product and probably best in class and ahead of its time in many respects compared to the competition. Problem was nobody used it to its potential, and that is why we are all on exchange and gmail today.
 
2020-12-01 7:50:04 PM  
Oh and the ones where it comes off as rudimentary is usually because they have 3 or 4 other platforms that are competing with it in its space. "Yeah, we do teams, but we also expect our folks to monitor these slack channels, and we use pagerduty for broadcasts, and then we have a homegrown thing that manages....."

So everyone half asses it on all platforms, biatches about all of them because they aren't using it right, and none can displace the others and shine.
 
2020-12-01 7:55:52 PM  

durbnpoisn: My company uses SalesForce.  I've seen many such platforms.  This is supposed to be the cream of the crop?

I think I speak for most people that use it when I say, it's a pile of shiat.  A huge, confusing, inconsistent, unreliable, buggy, difficult to use, pile of shiat.

It's like they had 1000 developers all working on different parts of the thing, never communicated with each other, then just slapped all the modules together and said, "perfect!"


This is consistent with almost all enterprise grade software.

Hell, the more expensive it is, the shiattier it is.
 
2020-12-01 7:58:30 PM  
We've been using Mattermost, it's essentially the same thing. It's a group focused chat platform.
It doesn't seem mature yet but then again neither does Skype/Lync.
 
2020-12-01 8:03:48 PM  

Magnanimous_J: durbnpoisn: My company uses SalesForce.  I've seen many such platforms.  This is supposed to be the cream of the crop?

I think I speak for most people that use it when I say, it's a pile of shiat.  A huge, confusing, inconsistent, unreliable, buggy, difficult to use, pile of shiat.

It's like they had 1000 developers all working on different parts of the thing, never communicated with each other, then just slapped all the modules together and said, "perfect!"

I've never used a vanilla salesforce instance before. It's always some cobbled together frankenstein monster of 3rd party plug-ins, homemade API calls, etc.

I don't love Salesforce, but I've used a lot worse.


That's what we've got.  Frankenstein's monster.
Speaking as an analyst who needs to pull reports from it, the best I can say is that I've found ways to make it functional.  But it is torture having to build anything new.
 
2020-12-01 8:05:57 PM  

Gonz: we're going to Microsoft Teams soon.


Ugh.  Corporate likes Teams.  They tried to run a 200-participant video meeting over Teams a few months ago, and the video and audio quality were both total poop festivals.  Subsequent meetings have been done over Zoom, with much better results.

When Slack became a thing a lot of people used at my orkplace, a weird thing happened:  People started treating the Slack "channels" as things that would always be around, and would always be searchable.  This is antithetical to how any SaaS company operates.  For a few weeks, corporate tried to get everyone off Slack and using Teams instead.  They failed.  The user interface in Teams is worse, Teams didn't have that several years worth of stored knowledge, and they ultimately decided it was worth it to reactivate Slack for a bunch of users.

I've been copy-pasting anything important anyone posts in Slack to a set of text files in my ~/dev/slack-archives/ for the last few years, but not everyone knows how to do that or can think that far ahead.  Today's users do not seem to understand the differences among "your local hard disk", "the cloud", "amazon glacier", "your phone", and "a removable USB2 disk".  I think this is deliberate obfuscation by marketing bozos.  ICBW.  YMMV.
 
2020-12-01 8:17:02 PM  

Gubbo: 27 billion for....what exactly is slack. I always assume it's like a glorified instant messenger platform?


Pretty much. It does have some nice integration/API type features. Like if you're running a build on a server and it fails, you can get it to notify you via Slack.

But it's a dumb farking business, especially since Teams came along. If you tell corporate IT that they can get Teams for Free AND it's from Microsoft and completely integrates with O365 Enterprise and Exchange server, and does more than Slack, Slack is toast. Corporates are heavily about Microsoft stuff. It's a no-brainer to bolt on the Microsoft tool that is also free and integrates with the corporate directory.
 
2020-12-01 8:17:57 PM  

studebaker hoch: What does Slack have that we didn't already have with FB and Gmail?


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2020-12-01 8:27:06 PM  
A company I know looked at implementing Slack but decided to go open source and use RocketChat (which met their needs).  They've got decent tech people though.  Slack seems a tad bloated.
 
2020-12-01 8:39:41 PM  

trialpha: This is consistent with almost all enterprise grade software.

Hell, the more expensive it is, the shiattier it is.


I have a rough rule with software: if the company doesn't put a price tag on it, it's garbage. And that doesn't matter how much it is. Could be £5K or more, could be £100/user/month. And it's fine to say "volume licensing deals available call us". But what matters is that you can buy it off the shelf. No salesmen have to call, no consultants come in.

Because if it has a price tag, it also means small companies, companies too small to warrant a sales guy will buy it. And those companies generally consult between management and the people who use it every day. If it's garbage software, it never gets in. In a huge place, senior management are targeted. No-one asks the little people to check over a piece of software.

I've used a load of different bug/work management systems, and the corporate ones with big names on like HP are utter farking garbage compared to tools like Jira and Fogbugz where the price/month is upfront.
 
2020-12-01 8:47:04 PM  

danceswithcrows: Gonz: we're going to Microsoft Teams soon.

Ugh.  Corporate likes Teams.  They tried to run a 200-participant video meeting over Teams a few months ago, and the video and audio quality were both total poop festivals.  Subsequent meetings have been done over Zoom, with much better results.


Not sure how much of it is due to "like" versus "we're already paying for it anyway".

We use both Teams and Zoom. The rule of thumb here is to use Teams for 1:1 or small groups and Zoom for larger/external audiences and/or more complex features like breakout rooms. Each work fine within their realms.

/And for folks who don't already know, Skype for Business is EOL in June so you're moving to another platform regardless.
 
2020-12-01 8:48:33 PM  

SteelBoots: Slack seems a tad bloated.


How's it compare to the bloated warthog called Teams?
 
2020-12-01 8:58:14 PM  
Good headline, Subby.
 
2020-12-01 9:20:29 PM  
We use Slack at Apple and it is integrated very well with our internal systems and I did not like it at first but now I really do not mind using it.
 
2020-12-01 9:21:16 PM  

danceswithcrows: Ugh.  Corporate likes Teams.  They tried to run a 200-participant video meeting over Teams a few months ago, and the video and audio quality were both total poop festivals.  Subsequent meetings have been done over Zoom, with much better results.


Teams is used because it works with all the other Microsoft products i.e. Outlook, Calendar etc

(that's the theory anyway)
 
2020-12-01 10:01:09 PM  

vudukungfu: Maybe they can hire some developers


How long until the different AIs do not need programmers?

South American online retailer red box return program suggests a major change through what seems like a learned process beyond what has been seen before in retail online sales. Maybe it's a a temporary reaction to the current sales cycle or maybe it's another step in the goal of the reduction of waste in letting widget buyers think they can control their purchases and dopamine fix. You won't get a credit when you drop off. You will have to wait until it is received and processed.

It's starting to look like you won't a choice. Things will just show up on your doorstep and you will be charged. The AI will know what you have been programed to want and it will get them to you. It's better for the environment anyway. Ever wonder about all the waste in buying online and returning widgets? How about the man hours, fuel, and landfills? The current waste is insane.

Or maybe not. Well, I'm off to buy some Chinese widgets online and return them the day after I get them.
 
2020-12-01 10:13:59 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: vudukungfu: Maybe they can hire some developers

How long until the different AIs do not need programmers?

South American online retailer red box return program suggests a major change through what seems like a learned process beyond what has been seen before in retail online sales. Maybe it's a a temporary reaction to the current sales cycle or maybe it's another step in the goal of the reduction of waste in letting widget buyers think they can control their purchases and dopamine fix. You won't get a credit when you drop off. You will have to wait until it is received and processed.

It's starting to look like you won't a choice. Things will just show up on your doorstep and you will be charged. The AI will know what you have been programed to want and it will get them to you. It's better for the environment anyway. Ever wonder about all the waste in buying online and returning widgets? How about the man hours, fuel, and landfills? The current waste is insane.

Or maybe not. Well, I'm off to buy some Chinese widgets online and return them the day after I get them.


South American retailer Red Box?
 
2020-12-01 10:17:25 PM  

stuartp9: Teams is used because [[the lusers who don't have to use it think that it]] works with all the other Microsoft products


FTFY.  AFAICT, every single message I have received through Teams in the last 4 months has been completely irrelevant to anything I've actually been doing.  Your Organization May Vary.  OTOH, IME there is absolutely every reason to tell Teams to STFU and GTFO.  YMMV.  OTOH, you have provided no/flimsy evidence that you have any idea what you are talking about.  Provide that.
 
2020-12-01 10:22:26 PM  
Yeah, the Salesforce "experts" in my office are already a bunch of slackers so this is kind of redundant. :-D
 
2020-12-01 10:45:20 PM  
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*sigh* CEO Stuart Butterfield's Glitch in-game avatar snapped while dozing off before the game was shut down

Flickr was a result of Stuart Butterfield's first game failing and a pivot to using its database for pictures, it was called Game Neverending

Slack was a result of Stuart Butterfield's second game failing and a pivot to using its messaging system, it was called Glitch. My kids and I got into it as it was an MMO that was accessible and nonviolent, even though kids below the age of 14 weren't supposed to be allowed to play. Think of it as an adult drugged out version of Club Penguin, with psychedelic drugs and brew your own alcohol. There's a project to bring Glitch back, but it's hardly complete and not the same without the community.

The joke was that Butterfield should try a third game once he's done with Slack, maybe it will stick this time. He's certainly got the money now.
 
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