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2020-12-01 9:26:56 PM  
Both of them were wastes of office space. Matt Millen merely made a bigger splash while being an idiot of a GM by drafting every last WR in the 1st round he could.
 
2020-12-01 9:52:41 PM  
Quinn was bad, be is no Matt Millen.
 
2020-12-01 9:53:27 PM  

k4mi: Quinn was bad, be is no Matt Millen.


But he was no Matt Millen.

/damn autocorrect
 
2020-12-01 10:21:48 PM  
Jerry Jones post 1996.
 
2020-12-01 10:21:54 PM  
I mean...in fairness, Tobin was the GM for 2001 and 2002, and Millen was fired three weeks into 2008, so the record they're giving Millen is worse than it probably should be as a GM (they were a combined 4-44 in those three full seasons if they're counting 2001-2008).

And he started with a much worse team than the one Quinn was given.
 
2020-12-01 10:27:28 PM  

ClavellBCMI: Both of them were wastes of office space. Matt Millen merely made a bigger splash while being an idiot of a GM by drafting every last WR in the 1st round he could.


I've long said that the real problem isn't that he drafted three wide receivers -- it's that he drafted bad wide receivers. The best of the bunch was Roy Williams, who had one good year. Charles Rogers sabotaged his own career, and the Mike Williams pick was a huge reach. (I remember it well: M.Williams was a big-time college receiver and had once been projected as a high first-round pick, but he had to sit out his final college season and his stock fell in the pre-draft process. He was thought to be a marginal late first- or second-round prospect heading up to draft day. Millen ignored it all and drafted him in the top ten anyway.)

If they had all lived up to their first-round status, it would have been a matchup nightmare and they could have made even Joey Harrington look good.
 
2020-12-01 10:43:03 PM  
They both represent failure on different scales.

Quinn has as many wins in half the time as Millen, and we can thank Caldwell for that. You know... the guy they fired to bring in the slob?

Millen was a complete and utter disaster as a GM, from day 1. Hiring Mooch, Mornhinwheg (sp?), and Marinelli, then going from there. His draft farkitude includes Joey Harrington, Ernie Sims, Mike Williams, Kevin Jones and Charles Rodgers. At least they got some picks for Roy Williams (that still turned into nothing). His *only* successful draft pick was Calvin Johnson, and even then the Lions rode him out of town and demanded payback for his contract.

They still didn't sack Rod Wood (that is such a porn name) though. That I find strange. If the Lions ownership were serious about cleaning house, they should have gotten rid of him too. But he's a boomer-aged white man, so he can only fail upwards.  Honestly I have no clue what they are going to do next year.

I'm thinking of a new fandom.
All of the NFC East can suck it. Sorry Di, I just can't support the cows. It feels... dirty.
I farking hate everything Pittsburgh and Philadelphia.
The Ravens are interesting, but fark Ray Lewis and their continued worship of the guy.
The Browns? I might as well keep fandoming the Lions. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.
I live in New England and the Patriots are going to suck ass for the next few years while they figure out their salary situation. Also Belichick looks done-zo.
The Bills are a possibility. Western New York is awesome for a guy like me. I love the tundra.
The Jest are a disaster. I might as well keep fandoming the Lions.
Tits look like a good team.
So does Indy.
Jags gonna jag.
Atlanta is turning into a disaster.
Tampa Brady is a team. That's all I've got to say there.
Pants *might* be good if they can nail down their defense a bit.
fark. Green. Bay.  GB can EABOD.
Bears and Vikes can suck it along with the NFC East.
The AFC West looks good though. The Chiefs are the most likely candidate, they're exciting and look to be a freakin' dynasty. The Chargers might get good, the Raiduhs are well... the Raiduhs. The Broncos are almost as bad off as the Lions. Elway has been putrid as an executive.
NFC West looks fun as well. Very challenging division; all the teams can be very good (injuries notwithstanding).
 
2020-12-01 11:12:46 PM  
I take the midseason firing as incremental progress though. The Lions have always been one of those "no, we dont fire people midseason. let's have a nice handshake on Monday of week 18 and let everyone save face" franchise.
 
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2020-12-01 11:21:35 PM  

k4mi: Quinn was bad, be is no Matt Millen.


This. farking worst gm ever.

Maybe.
 
2020-12-02 5:47:05 AM  
Life long Lions. It hurts to know come week 3 of September your season is done most years
 
2020-12-02 5:55:55 AM  

ClavellBCMI: Both of them were wastes of office space. Matt Millen merely made a bigger splash while being an idiot of a GM by drafting every last WR in the 1st round he could.


I still say Charles Rogers was a decent pick. He could have easily been a superstar.
 
2020-12-02 7:00:21 AM  
Matt Millen was unlucky. Quinn sucks.
 
2020-12-02 7:01:36 AM  
It figures that the Ford family, who is loyal to a fault, would not be loyal to Mayhew and Caldwell and pull the trigger too early.  Once Quinn came in and started jettisoning players, they were succeeding everywhere else. You never saw that with the Lions apart from Jeff Hartings.
 
2020-12-02 8:30:12 AM  

Aezetyr: I'm thinking of a new fandom.


As a former WFT fan, I recommend becoming an anti-fan. You don't actively root for any particular team, but you watch the highlights and so on just to see the train wreck teams suck.

Watching Nathan Peterman was great fun. Come Monday morning, I don't watch the NFL highlights of, say, the Chiefs first. I watch the Jets. It's always entertaining to see failure at such an institutional level.

From there, I'll watch the NFC East teams, or the Bengals, or whatever team is having a Real Bad Time, like the QB-Less Broncos.

You get to see failure, and you get to see the other team look either incompetent (any NFC East match-up) or like world beaters.
 
2020-12-02 11:41:43 AM  

Aezetyr: They both represent failure on different scales.

Quinn has as many wins in half the time as Millen, and we can thank Caldwell for that. You know... the guy they fired to bring in the slob?

Millen was a complete and utter disaster as a GM, from day 1. Hiring Mooch, Mornhinwheg (sp?), and Marinelli, then going from there. His draft farkitude includes Joey Harrington, Ernie Sims, Mike Williams, Kevin Jones and Charles Rodgers. At least they got some picks for Roy Williams (that still turned into nothing). His *only* successful draft pick was Calvin Johnson, and even then the Lions rode him out of town and demanded payback for his contract.

They still didn't sack Rod Wood (that is such a porn name) though. That I find strange. If the Lions ownership were serious about cleaning house, they should have gotten rid of him too. But he's a boomer-aged white man, so he can only fail upwards.  Honestly I have no clue what they are going to do next year.

I'm thinking of a new fandom.
All of the NFC East can suck it. Sorry Di, I just can't support the cows. It feels... dirty.
I farking hate everything Pittsburgh and Philadelphia.
The Ravens are interesting, but fark Ray Lewis and their continued worship of the guy.
The Browns? I might as well keep fandoming the Lions. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.
I live in New England and the Patriots are going to suck ass for the next few years while they figure out their salary situation. Also Belichick looks done-zo.
The Bills are a possibility. Western New York is awesome for a guy like me. I love the tundra.
The Jest are a disaster. I might as well keep fandoming the Lions.
Tits look like a good team.
So does Indy.
Jags gonna jag.
Atlanta is turning into a disaster.
Tampa Brady is a team. That's all I've got to say there.
Pants *might* be good if they can nail down their defense a bit.
fark. Green. Bay.  GB can EABOD.
Bears and Vikes can suck it along with the NFC East.
The AFC West looks good though. The Chiefs are the most likely candidate, they're exciting and look to be a freakin' dynasty. The Chargers might get good, the Raiduhs are well... the Raiduhs. The Broncos are almost as bad off as the Lions. Elway has been putrid as an executive.
NFC West looks fun as well. Very challenging division; all the teams can be very good (injuries notwithstanding).


You can join me in Texans fandom where we cling to hope that Bob's son doesn't pull a Dolan & fark up everything for generations.
 
2020-12-02 1:17:56 PM  

Aezetyr: They both represent failure on different scales.

Quinn has as many wins in half the time as Millen, and we can thank Caldwell for that. You know... the guy they fired to bring in the slob?

Millen was a complete and utter disaster as a GM, from day 1. Hiring Mooch, Mornhinwheg (sp?), and Marinelli, then going from there. His draft farkitude includes Joey Harrington, Ernie Sims, Mike Williams, Kevin Jones and Charles Rodgers. At least they got some picks for Roy Williams (that still turned into nothing). His *only* successful draft pick was Calvin Johnson, and even then the Lions rode him out of town and demanded payback for his contract.

They still didn't sack Rod Wood (that is such a porn name) though. That I find strange. If the Lions ownership were serious about cleaning house, they should have gotten rid of him too. But he's a boomer-aged white man, so he can only fail upwards.  Honestly I have no clue what they are going to do next year.

I'm thinking of a new fandom.
All of the NFC East can suck it. Sorry Di, I just can't support the cows. It feels... dirty.
I farking hate everything Pittsburgh and Philadelphia.
The Ravens are interesting, but fark Ray Lewis and their continued worship of the guy.
The Browns? I might as well keep fandoming the Lions. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.
I live in New England and the Patriots are going to suck ass for the next few years while they figure out their salary situation. Also Belichick looks done-zo.
The Bills are a possibility. Western New York is awesome for a guy like me. I love the tundra.
The Jest are a disaster. I might as well keep fandoming the Lions.
Tits look like a good team.
So does Indy.
Jags gonna jag.
Atlanta is turning into a disaster.
Tampa Brady is a team. That's all I've got to say there.
Pants *might* be good if they can nail down their defense a bit.
fark. Green. Bay.  GB can EABOD.
Bears and Vikes can suck it along with the NFC East.
The AFC West looks good though. The Chiefs are the mos ...


Pick a team that's currently bad or mediocre but appears to have a good future. Bandwagoning a team like the Bills or Browns (or, worst of all, the Chiefs) would be a bad look.

How about the Chargers? They were supposed to be much better this year than they are. They seem to have a QBOTF. It would be fun to join them on their climb. Plus, they have no fans currently, so they'll appreciate you. The only conundrum is the Dean Spanos factor.
 
2020-12-02 1:44:19 PM  

Aezetyr: They both represent failure on different scales.

Quinn has as many wins in half the time as Millen, and we can thank Caldwell for that. You know... the guy they fired to bring in the slob?

Millen was a complete and utter disaster as a GM, from day 1. Hiring Mooch, Mornhinwheg (sp?), and Marinelli, then going from there. His draft farkitude includes Joey Harrington, Ernie Sims, Mike Williams, Kevin Jones and Charles Rodgers. At least they got some picks for Roy Williams (that still turned into nothing). His *only* successful draft pick was Calvin Johnson, and even then the Lions rode him out of town and demanded payback for his contract.

They still didn't sack Rod Wood (that is such a porn name) though. That I find strange. If the Lions ownership were serious about cleaning house, they should have gotten rid of him too. But he's a boomer-aged white man, so he can only fail upwards.  Honestly I have no clue what they are going to do next year.

I'm thinking of a new fandom.
All of the NFC East can suck it. Sorry Di, I just can't support the cows. It feels... dirty.
I farking hate everything Pittsburgh and Philadelphia.
The Ravens are interesting, but fark Ray Lewis and their continued worship of the guy.
The Browns? I might as well keep fandoming the Lions. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.
I live in New England and the Patriots are going to suck ass for the next few years while they figure out their salary situation. Also Belichick looks done-zo.
The Bills are a possibility. Western New York is awesome for a guy like me. I love the tundra.
The Jest are a disaster. I might as well keep fandoming the Lions.
Tits look like a good team.
So does Indy.
Jags gonna jag.
Atlanta is turning into a disaster.
Tampa Brady is a team. That's all I've got to say there.
Pants *might* be good if they can nail down their defense a bit.
fark. Green. Bay.  GB can EABOD.
Bears and Vikes can suck it along with the NFC East.
The AFC West looks good though. The Chiefs are the most likely candidate, they're exciting and look to be a freakin' dynasty. The Chargers might get good, the Raiduhs are well... the Raiduhs. The Broncos are almost as bad off as the Lions. Elway has been putrid as an executive.
NFC West looks fun as well. Very challenging division; all the teams can be very good (injuries notwithstanding).


Why would Rod Wood get fired? He has zero input on the football side of things. He handles the marketing and sales side and has been killing it. It was Quinn and Patricia who were shiat.
 
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