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(NPR)   Why does the U.S. take so long between the election and the presidential inauguration? We should just shove the loser out the White House door as we kick them in the arse   (npr.org) divider line
    More: Obvious, President of the United States, Franklin D. Roosevelt, George W. Bush, Electoral College, new government, much time, President Trump's refusal, national election  
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2020-12-01 2:59:47 PM  
12 votes:
I seem to recall that it took the entire time from the election to inauguration for the nation to digest that Trump had won.
 
2020-12-01 4:39:32 PM  
5 votes:

phalamir: theteacher: TLDR:  America is farkING HUGE when you have to travel by horse.

There is also the fact that there is no shadow government like in parliamentary systems.


Man, I can't wait until my anxiety calms down to the point that I don't keep mis-reading that word as "paramilitary"
 
2020-12-01 5:58:32 PM  
4 votes:
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2020-12-01 3:01:48 PM  
4 votes:
TLDR:  America is farkING HUGE when you have to travel by horse.
 
2020-12-01 4:48:20 PM  
3 votes:
Um, like some dudes wrote a paper which defines our system of government.  So like, there's a gap between the election and the confirmation, women can't vote, and negroes are only 3/5 of a people.
 
2020-12-01 4:45:56 PM  
3 votes:
It worked alright until Trump. Like a lot of things.
 
2020-12-01 4:42:47 PM  
3 votes:
Trump should be forced to walk home from the White House and Biden should be forced to walk from home to the White House, just as the founders would want.

And dueling ought to be legal.

Such a system would weed out the weak and the guilty.
 
2020-12-01 3:32:38 PM  
3 votes:

Nadie_AZ: I seem to recall that it took the entire time from the election to inauguration for the nation to digest that Trump had won.


He didn't
he was appointed
 
2020-12-01 6:21:26 PM  
1 vote:
As a canuck the thing i dont get is the lame duck sessions. Why do people still get a few months to govern after people have removed their mandate. Here it just makes sense that the government rises at an election call and does not sit again until a party has a mandate to govern.
 
2020-12-01 5:40:16 PM  
1 vote:
HerptheDerp:
America has the oldest democracy in the world, that makes it the worst.

We just going to ignore the English parliament? It certainly wasn't a great democracy, but lets be honest the US system was only marginally better at the time it was created.
 
2020-12-01 5:15:04 PM  
1 vote:

qorkfiend: From a theoretical perspective, sure, we can probably shorten the time a bit, but we have to allow some time for ballots to be received and counted and for any recounts and challenges to be sorted out (no, the proper response to "Trump files lots of frivolous lawsuits challenging election results" is not "don't let anyone challenge election results") and some time for the new administration to prepare.

From a practical perspective, not going to happen. Inauguration Day and the start of the Congressional term are set by the Constitution and are not moving, so you're going to have a minimum of 17 days between an officially announced winner and the inauguration regardless, and really the only adjustment that can be made is to make Election Day later in the year. Working backwards from January 3, we're into the holidays so no one wants to do anything, so everything has to be all set before Christmas. Subtract a week for actual meeting of the electoral college and the transmission of the paperwork and wait, isn't that pretty close to what the setup already is?


The 20th amendment moved Inauguration from March4 to January 20, it can be done again, it just takes political will.
 
2020-12-01 5:09:08 PM  
1 vote:
It was mainly a "gentleman's agreement" to facilitate a smooth transition of power from one president to the next. The problem is that we have way to many "Gentleman's agreements" inherent in the system of government running things which a fascist can fark with. Thankfully Trump was horribly incompetent as a fascist, but Trump 2.0 won't be.

The reason why we are not a parliamentary system is mainly pettiness at not wanting to be like Britain and form our own government with Blackjack and Hookers.
 
2020-12-01 5:04:09 PM  
1 vote:
From a theoretical perspective, sure, we can probably shorten the time a bit, but we have to allow some time for ballots to be received and counted and for any recounts and challenges to be sorted out (no, the proper response to "Trump files lots of frivolous lawsuits challenging election results" is not "don't let anyone challenge election results") and some time for the new administration to prepare.

From a practical perspective, not going to happen. Inauguration Day and the start of the Congressional term are set by the Constitution and are not moving, so you're going to have a minimum of 17 days between an officially announced winner and the inauguration regardless, and really the only adjustment that can be made is to make Election Day later in the year. Working backwards from January 3, we're into the holidays so no one wants to do anything, so everything has to be all set before Christmas. Subtract a week for actual meeting of the electoral college and the transmission of the paperwork and wait, isn't that pretty close to what the setup already is?
 
2020-12-01 5:02:26 PM  
1 vote:

mudesi: I don't know, why does America have to campaign for a year and a half before the election?  Other countries run their campaigns in 6 weeks and that's that.  Then they actually spend some time, you know, governing.


It's the primary system.  Used to not be so bad.  First primary wasn't until very late spring.  Then every state decided they just had to be first and the whole thing got pushed up to the start of the year.

If it were up to me, no caucuses would be allowed, they are just  circus sideshows, first primary race would be in late April, and the order of he states would be secret and not announced until early May.

We would still primary by state, but the general election would abandon the electoral college and go straight popular vote.
 
2020-12-01 4:54:54 PM  
1 vote:

HerptheDerp: phalamir: theteacher: TLDR:  America is farkING HUGE when you have to travel by horse.

There is also the fact that there is no shadow government like in parliamentary systems.  You can't just switch nameplates and call it a day.  People have to be picked and prepared to get up to speed.  While major offices are probably already spoken for during the election, there are thousands of political appointments in the US government.  You cannot expect all those people to quit their jobs in June on the off chance their guy wins.  And that is what would have to happen to make a transition happen in November.  And actually, since the EC is Constitutionally mandated to meet in December, with Congress mandated to certify thee results, the actual time between a winner being made official and the new guy taking over is two weeks.

Yes, the US system is not consistent with the rest of the developed world.  It is not parliamentary.  Duh.  You will notice that no other nation with a lick of sense has copied it - even most with no sense whatsoever never even considered it.  Anybody who did was officially a paste-eating farkwit.

But here's the rub: the only way to change it would to be scrap the Constitution completely.  I'll even stipulate that this would be the smart option.  But considering the Republicans control most state governments, and are hard-right eliminationist theocrats, does anyone really want to see the Gilead they would demand as the most liberal option?  You are not getting Sweden out of a new government, but Hungary without a filter.

America has the oldest democracy in the world, that makes it the worst.


Basically, we never really came out of our beta release.
 
2020-12-01 4:39:34 PM  
1 vote:

phalamir: But here's the rub: the only way to change it would to be scrap the Constitution completely.


There is one way to shorten the time it takes to transition between administrations... remove the politics from many of the positions that have to be appointed now, especially those way down the food chain like "undersecretary to the undersecretary to the undersecretary's assistant coffee boy shat) and make those career positions like the rest of the civil service. Number of appointments cut by a huge chunk right there.
 
2020-12-01 4:38:24 PM  
1 vote:
This article doesn't explain why there's still so much time, just why there was so much time originally.

The reason that gap still exists is "no one has bothered to do anything about it, mostly because our government has been little other than lazy, intractable garbage for several decades."
 
2020-12-01 3:16:38 PM  
1 vote:

theteacher: TLDR:  America is farkING HUGE when you have to travel by horse.


There is also the fact that there is no shadow government like in parliamentary systems.  You can't just switch nameplates and call it a day.  People have to be picked and prepared to get up to speed.  While major offices are probably already spoken for during the election, there are thousands of political appointments in the US government.  You cannot expect all those people to quit their jobs in June on the off chance their guy wins.  And that is what would have to happen to make a transition happen in November.  And actually, since the EC is Constitutionally mandated to meet in December, with Congress mandated to certify thee results, the actual time between a winner being made official and the new guy taking over is two weeks.

Yes, the US system is not consistent with the rest of the developed world.  It is not parliamentary.  Duh.  You will notice that no other nation with a lick of sense has copied it - even most with no sense whatsoever never even considered it.  Anybody who did was officially a paste-eating farkwit.

But here's the rub: the only way to change it would to be scrap the Constitution completely.  I'll even stipulate that this would be the smart option.  But considering the Republicans control most state governments, and are hard-right eliminationist theocrats, does anyone really want to see the Gilead they would demand as the most liberal option?  You are not getting Sweden out of a new government, but Hungary without a filter.
 
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