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(NPR)   Why does the U.S. take so long between the election and the presidential inauguration? We should just shove the loser out the White House door as we kick them in the arse   (npr.org) divider line
    More: Obvious, President of the United States, Franklin D. Roosevelt, George W. Bush, Electoral College, new government, much time, President Trump's refusal, national election  
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2020-12-01 5:40:16 PM  
HerptheDerp:
America has the oldest democracy in the world, that makes it the worst.

We just going to ignore the English parliament? It certainly wasn't a great democracy, but lets be honest the US system was only marginally better at the time it was created.
 
2020-12-01 5:41:44 PM  

Delc: HerptheDerp:
America has the oldest democracy in the world, that makes it the worst.

We just going to ignore the English parliament? It certainly wasn't a great democracy, but lets be honest the US system was only marginally better at the time it was created.


They did still have a king then, though...
 
2020-12-01 5:57:01 PM  

Geotpf: Delc: HerptheDerp:
America has the oldest democracy in the world, that makes it the worst.

We just going to ignore the English parliament? It certainly wasn't a great democracy, but lets be honest the US system was only marginally better at the time it was created.

They did still have a king then, though...


True, but they were only a century or so removed from their own civil war and the execution of Charles I.
 
2020-12-01 5:58:32 PM  
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2020-12-01 6:05:08 PM  

fiddlehead: mudesi: I don't know, why does America have to campaign for a year and a half before the election?  Other countries run their campaigns in 6 weeks and that's that.  Then they actually spend some time, you know, governing.

Fun fact: Trump filed his re-election campaign with the FEC on the day of his inauguration, a whopping 47 months before election day. He spent his whole first term campaigning for a second term (and grifting the shiat out of his followers).

In comparison:
Obama - filed 19 months before election day
Dubya - 18 months
Clinton - 19 months
Bush - 12 months
Reagan - 12 months


Yeah, but those guys didn't have important grifting to do.
 
2020-12-01 6:08:25 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: It worked alright until Trump. Like a lot of things.


LMFAO. And when I was a small fry, before 9/11 turned commercial aircraft cockpits into fortifications, I "flew" a DC9 for a few minutes. Nothing bad happened, ergo nothing bad can happen if we restaff all ATC and all pilots with children.
 
2020-12-01 6:21:26 PM  
As a canuck the thing i dont get is the lame duck sessions. Why do people still get a few months to govern after people have removed their mandate. Here it just makes sense that the government rises at an election call and does not sit again until a party has a mandate to govern.
 
2020-12-01 6:55:20 PM  
I think that the most reasonable explanation is that there is a LOT to transition from one team to the next.  Is it 2.5 months worth?  Not any more.  But I think it's been left this way because there is supposed to be a nice polite changeover where everyone is cool.  This is the first time in history that we've had to wake up every day wondering if the outgoing President is going to empty the prisons, fire the entire government, and start a war with Iran.
 
2020-12-01 7:08:56 PM  

Geotpf: HerptheDerp: phalamir: theteacher: TLDR:  America is farkING HUGE when you have to travel by horse.

There is also the fact that there is no shadow government like in parliamentary systems.  You can't just switch nameplates and call it a day.  People have to be picked and prepared to get up to speed.  While major offices are probably already spoken for during the election, there are thousands of political appointments in the US government.  You cannot expect all those people to quit their jobs in June on the off chance their guy wins.  And that is what would have to happen to make a transition happen in November.  And actually, since the EC is Constitutionally mandated to meet in December, with Congress mandated to certify thee results, the actual time between a winner being made official and the new guy taking over is two weeks.

Yes, the US system is not consistent with the rest of the developed world.  It is not parliamentary.  Duh.  You will notice that no other nation with a lick of sense has copied it - even most with no sense whatsoever never even considered it.  Anybody who did was officially a paste-eating farkwit.

But here's the rub: the only way to change it would to be scrap the Constitution completely.  I'll even stipulate that this would be the smart option.  But considering the Republicans control most state governments, and are hard-right eliminationist theocrats, does anyone really want to see the Gilead they would demand as the most liberal option?  You are not getting Sweden out of a new government, but Hungary without a filter.

America has the oldest democracy in the world, that makes it the worst.

Basically, we never really came out of our beta release.


And since then a lot more hardware has been added to the system so it's beginning to creak...
 
2020-12-01 7:12:31 PM  

Geotpf: I should just have one key that quotes a post whenever somebody proposes something that requires a constitutional amendment and screams at them that's not gonna happen.  Because you've been about the 14th person to do it in this thread alone.


In Windows 10 pressing Windows and V brings up the copy clipboard. Pressing the three dots next to a copied text lets you pin it so it will always be on the clipboard and you can then paste it again and again.

/And yeah, we have a shadow cabinet and leader, already in place and up to speed on their departments. We usually find out the election result by about four in the morning and a new Prime Minister can be in office sitting at his desk by midday, seven hours later. They can appoint their top cabinet positions that day, and the rest over the next day or so. They're not obliged to appoint the shadow minister to the real post, they can pick anyone of their choosing, as long as they're an MP. (Though they can in theory pick anyone and make them a peer, sitting in the upper house, and then appoint them to cabinet. Usually only done for fairly minor roles, last one being Nicky Morgan.)
 
2020-12-01 10:24:37 PM  

phalamir: ...

Yes, the US system is not consistent with the rest of the developed world.  It is not parliamentary.  Duh.  You will notice that no other nation with a lick of sense has copied it - even most with no sense whatsoever never even considered it.  Anybody who did was officially a paste-eating farkwit.
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So do you not know anything about Latin American nations, or do you just consider them all farkwits?
 
2020-12-01 10:26:12 PM  

mudesi: Or maybe it's the same reason America still uses the imperial system of measurement?


The USA does not now, and never has, used the Imperial system of measurement.
 
2020-12-01 11:08:00 PM  

Geotpf: Barricaded Gunman: Geotpf: austerity101: This article doesn't explain why there's still so much time, just why there was so much time originally.

The reason that gap still exists is "no one has bothered to do anything about it, mostly because our government has been little other than lazy, intractable garbage for several decades."

Changing it (again) requires a constitutional amendment, which is impossible to pass in the modern era.

Unless a bunch of Republican senators die of covid soon, which isn't off the table.

What would that have to do with anything?


Sounds like someone needs a refresher on how we can amend the Constitution.

Under Article Five, a proposal for an amendment must be adopted either by Congress or by a national convention, but as of 2020 all amendments have gone through Congress.[56] The proposal must receive two-thirds of the votes of both houses to proceed. It is passed as a joint resolution, but is not presented to the president, who plays no part in the process. Instead, it is passed to the Office of the Federal Register, which copies it in slip law format and submits it to the states.[56] Congress decides whether the proposal is to be ratified in the state legislature or by a state ratifying convention. To date all amendments have been ratified by the state legislatures except one, the Twenty-first Amendment.[54]
 
2020-12-02 12:12:10 AM  

g.fro: So do you not know anything about Latin American nations, or do you just consider them all farkwits?


Copying the US constitutional system has not gone well for any country that has tried it. The first countries to fall into this trap have the excuse of inexperience, but those who have made this subsequently made this mistake--or have made it more than once--are quite reasonably described as 'farkwits.'

Parliamentary systems just work better.
 
2020-12-02 12:38:08 AM  

WalkingSedgwick: g.fro: So do you not know anything about Latin American nations, or do you just consider them all farkwits?

Copying the US constitutional system has not gone well for any country that has tried it. The first countries to fall into this trap have the excuse of inexperience, but those who have made this subsequently made this mistake--or have made it more than once--are quite reasonably described as 'farkwits.'

Parliamentary systems just work better.


The functioning democracies of Latin America disagree with you.
 
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