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2020-11-30 10:07:44 PM  
I think it's fascinating that insane asylums have radio shows.
 
2020-11-30 10:19:44 PM  
It is absolute, it's in the Constitution. I don't know about his authority to pardon himself

This is a lawyer. An actual lawyer.
 
2020-11-30 10:22:00 PM  
He cannot keep his neck out of a noose
 
2020-11-30 10:46:57 PM  
I remember when multiple MSNBC talking heads were urging Obama to pardon a ton of members from his administration, said no one ever.
 
2020-11-30 10:47:09 PM  
New York State laughs manically
 
2020-12-01 5:34:56 AM  
Gettin' a li'l nervous for hitchin' that little red wagon onto the Trump Train now, are ya?

I'm sure that there are more than a few state courts that would like to talk to you about you spent "90% of donations for veterans' families" on service fees and office work.
 
2020-12-01 5:49:30 AM  
I mean, it's -- can the president -- I assume that the power of the pardon is absolute, and that he should be able to pardon anybody that he wants to.
SIDNEY POWELL (GUEST): It is absolute, it's in the Constitution. I don't know about his authority to pardon himself
...

That's actually an open question. It's never happened, and no one knows how the courts would rule. Even if SCOTUS said "no, you cannot pardon yourself" it requires a system to hold him accountable. You know, a system of checks and balances. Which Donnie and the GOP read as "donor checks and bank balances."

...but it should not be necessary and aside from that the president is going to get another four years in office.

Please keep telling him that, feed his delusion so he doesn't think he needs a pardon. Then we can have my fantasy of his January 20 plane ride getting diverted to JFK and the Manhattan DA, NYAG, and USA SDNY waiting for him at the bottom of the stairs.
 
2020-12-01 6:47:15 AM  

Unobtanium: I mean, it's -- can the president -- I assume that the power of the pardon is absolute, and that he should be able to pardon anybody that he wants to.
SIDNEY POWELL (GUEST): It is absolute, it's in the Constitution. I don't know about his authority to pardon himself...

That's actually an open question. It's never happened, and no one knows how the courts would rule. Even if SCOTUS said "no, you cannot pardon yourself" it requires a system to hold him accountable. You know, a system of checks and balances. Which Donnie and the GOP read as "donor checks and bank balances."

...but it should not be necessary and aside from that the president is going to get another four years in office.

Please keep telling him that, feed his delusion so he doesn't think he needs a pardon. Then we can have my fantasy of his January 20 plane ride getting diverted to JFK and the Manhattan DA, NYAG, and USA SDNY waiting for him at the bottom of the stairs.


They are really trampling on each others' dicks/tits with all these logical contradictions.
 
2020-12-01 6:48:56 AM  
Of which crimes have they been found guilty?
 
2020-12-01 6:49:30 AM  
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Baby Lumpy wants mean ol' gub'ment to leave Trumpy family alone!

I hope you get thrown in there with them as an accessory, you POS, and you piss away your entire fortune trying to get out.
 
2020-12-01 6:50:56 AM  
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2020-12-01 6:51:09 AM  
law and order party indeed.
 
2020-12-01 6:54:21 AM  

FatherChaos: [Fark user image image 436x338]

Baby Lumpy wants mean ol' gub'ment to leave Trumpy family alone!

I hope you get thrown in there with them as an accessory, you POS, and you piss away your entire fortune trying to get out.


Is he looking more orange than normal?
 
2020-12-01 6:55:20 AM  
I think it would be fun to make a reality show out of collectively prosecuting these criminals and then holding partial pardons over their heads by making them complete stupid challenges.
 
2020-12-01 6:57:13 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: I think it would be fun to make a reality show out of collectively prosecuting these criminals and then holding partial pardons over their heads by making them complete stupid challenges.


I'm thinking of Half Scoop and I'm Eric fighting in that gladiator pit from Conan The Barbarian, or something from Saw.
 
2020-12-01 6:59:00 AM  

johnny queso: law and order party indeed.


Sorry, law and order only applies if you aren't white, conservative. Seen Kyle? (Rittenhouse)
 
2020-12-01 7:02:51 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: I think it would be fun to make a reality show out of collectively prosecuting these criminals and then holding partial pardons over their heads by making them complete stupid challenges.


"Ok, for challenge #1 You'll need to act like a self absorbed paranoid ass during a national crisis....oh we've already done that, moving on."
 
2020-12-01 7:03:51 AM  

kling_klang_bed: Nana's Vibrator: I think it would be fun to make a reality show out of collectively prosecuting these criminals and then holding partial pardons over their heads by making them complete stupid challenges.

I'm thinking of Half Scoop and I'm Eric fighting in that gladiator pit from Conan The Barbarian, or something from Saw.


Or retrieving the most meat filled Trump masks from the leopard sanctuary.
 
2020-12-01 7:09:34 AM  
I love how the US bragged about not bowing before any King, and then they go and crown one that is...

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2020-12-01 7:09:35 AM  
...doesn't a pardon remove 5th amendment protections?
 
2020-12-01 7:10:49 AM  
Yeaaaaaaah....you should really just give yourselves a legally questionable pardon that way the SCOTUS can determine that said pardon is legally nonsense
 
2020-12-01 7:11:48 AM  

SecondaryControl: ...doesn't a pardon remove 5th amendment protections?


Yes, because you can no longer self incriminate.
 
2020-12-01 7:12:10 AM  

SecondaryControl: ...doesn't a pardon remove 5th amendment protections?


Yes and no

You can still invoke the 5th if you are potentially subject to state-level prosecution
 
2020-12-01 7:15:17 AM  
Here is the real question.  Can you pardon yourself for unspecified future crimes?  We know that Ford gave a blanket pardon for Nixon on anything he may have been involved with between two sets of dates.  So what happens if those dates are in the future?

I DECLARD MYSELF PARDONED FOR THE PERIOD BETWEEN JAN 1 1960 and DEC 31 2112.

Done deal, nothing more to worry over.
 
2020-12-01 7:16:42 AM  

iheartscotch: Yeaaaaaaah....you should really just give yourselves a legally questionable pardon that way the SCOTUS can determine that said pardon is legally nonsense


Yeaaaaaaah....especially since the argument people consistently rely on to claim it would be invalid is based on a common law doctrine not reflected in the actual text of the Constitution.

Could the Supreme Court strike down a self pardon?  Yes.  But anyone expressing actual confidence is engaging in wishful thinking.
 
2020-12-01 7:17:11 AM  

NewportBarGuy: I think it's fascinating that insane asylums have radio shows.


Takin' Over The Asylum

Yes, that is a young David Tennant...

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2020-12-01 7:17:17 AM  
I want Trump to pardon himself and blanket pardon his whole admin. It will get challenged as it has to, the SC will rule on it and hopefully we will hang the farkers on the white house lawn.

There has never been a greater need to test the checks on presidential power than right now.
 
2020-12-01 7:17:28 AM  

Threp: SecondaryControl: ...doesn't a pardon remove 5th amendment protections?

Yes, because you can no longer self incriminate.


For Federal crimes. You still have protection for state crimes.
 
2020-12-01 7:17:41 AM  

wingnut396: Here is the real question.  Can you pardon yourself for unspecified future crimes?  We know that Ford gave a blanket pardon for Nixon on anything he may have been involved with between two sets of dates.  So what happens if those dates are in the future?

I DECLARD MYSELF PARDONED FOR THE PERIOD BETWEEN JAN 1 1960 and DEC 31 2112.

Done deal, nothing more to worry over.


A pardon can only reach past conduct.  That's established in case law.
 
2020-12-01 7:22:29 AM  

IndyJohn: SecondaryControl: ...doesn't a pardon remove 5th amendment protections?

Yes and no

You can still invoke the 5th if you are potentially subject to state-level prosecution


I keep forgetting about the state/federal tier thing.

My apologies - though the reasoning still stands.
 
2020-12-01 7:22:54 AM  

Unobtanium: I mean, it's -- can the president -- I assume that the power of the pardon is absolute, and that he should be able to pardon anybody that he wants to.
SIDNEY POWELL (GUEST): It is absolute, it's in the Constitution. I don't know about his authority to pardon himself...

That's actually an open question. It's never happened, and no one knows how the courts would rule. Even if SCOTUS said "no, you cannot pardon yourself" it requires a system to hold him accountable. You know, a system of checks and balances. Which Donnie and the GOP read as "donor checks and bank balances."

...but it should not be necessary and aside from that the president is going to get another four years in office.

Please keep telling him that, feed his delusion so he doesn't think he needs a pardon. Then we can have my fantasy of his January 20 plane ride getting diverted to JFK and the Manhattan DA, NYAG, and USA SDNY waiting for him at the bottom of the stairs.


Also SCOTUS doesn't issue advisory opinions, so they can't take the case and rule on it until someone actually does it, gets charged for something it covers, and then tries to use it.
 
2020-12-01 7:24:17 AM  

SecondaryControl: ...doesn't a pardon remove 5th amendment protections?


You think Trump or his brood could shut up on the stand long enough for that to matter? Especially when Eric spazzes out after the lawyers use big words and he goes full GG Allin in the middle of the court room while making 3 Stooges noises.
 
2020-12-01 7:25:17 AM  

agent00pi: FatherChaos: [Fark user image image 436x338]

Baby Lumpy wants mean ol' gub'ment to leave Trumpy family alone!

I hope you get thrown in there with them as an accessory, you POS, and you piss away your entire fortune trying to get out.

Is he looking more orange than normal?


Hannity, Guiliani, and Bannon have all been particularly orange recently.
It's actually not the worst look on Bannon, as it hides all the broken drinker's veins in his nose and cheeks.
Guiliani is oozing brown too, so he may just be dissolving from the inside out.
For Hannity I assume it's just Cheeto worship.
 
2020-12-01 7:26:49 AM  
I'm reminded of this fantasy detail from late Jack Ryan novels where they had "a stack of signed blank pardons". Don't you have to say what a person is being pardoned for?
 
2020-12-01 7:27:57 AM  

calufrax: NewportBarGuy: I think it's fascinating that insane asylums have radio shows.

Takin' Over The Asylum

Yes, that is a young David Tennant...

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Standing next to a young Ronnie James Dio.
 
2020-12-01 7:29:00 AM  

wildcardjack: I'm reminded of this fantasy detail from late Jack Ryan novels where they had "a stack of signed blank pardons". Don't you have to say what a person is being pardoned for?


Nope. Gerald Ford didn't specify which crimes in his pardon.
 
2020-12-01 7:30:57 AM  

pueblonative: Nana's Vibrator: I think it would be fun to make a reality show out of collectively prosecuting these criminals and then holding partial pardons over their heads by making them complete stupid challenges.

"Ok, for challenge #1 You'll need to act like a self absorbed paranoid ass during a national crisis....oh we've already done that, moving on."


No, these would be Republican challenges.
Like you have to give a substantial contribution to a bona fide charity, not run by yourself or anyone related to you, and you can't use it as a tax deduction!
 
2020-12-01 7:31:18 AM  
Hannity, a college drop out, offering Fascist propaganda to his low IQ fawners. This is the Republican base, ignoring the law, claiming superiority over others, and disengaging from the US Constitution to preserve a Fascist Kakistocracy.

They represent everything wrong with the US, and embrace the Fascist Ideologies that the US has fought against for Freedom.


Fark all of the anti-Americans, don't like it here then move to the DPRK farkwits.
 
2020-12-01 7:31:30 AM  

kling_klang_bed: Nana's Vibrator: I think it would be fun to make a reality show out of collectively prosecuting these criminals and then holding partial pardons over their heads by making them complete stupid challenges.

I'm thinking of Half Scoop and I'm Eric fighting in that gladiator pit from Conan The Barbarian, or something from Saw.


Better yet...fighting wild (game) animals, with just a net and a sword.

Even up the odds a bit.  Perfect fate for a sport hunter.

I want to see Jr stomped by an elephant.
 
2020-12-01 7:31:52 AM  

Someone Else's Alt: I want Trump to pardon himself and blanket pardon his whole admin. It will get challenged as it has to, the SC will rule on it and hopefully we will hang the farkers on the white house lawn.

There has never been a greater need to test the checks on presidential power than right now.


You would likely be disappointed in the outcome of that test.

"I don't think it should work that way" is not a valid legal argument, and the pardon power is written broadly with only a couple of explicit limits (federal crimes only, cannot prevent impeachment).

The need isn't so much to "test" the checks on Presidential power but to enact some checks on Presidential power.  Trump has revealed how creaky and antiquated our Constitution actually is.

Once Trump is out of office Republicans may be convinced to and likely after Trump has issued a slew of pardons) amend the Constitution and place limits on pardons (likely after Trump has issued a slew of pardons - closing the barn door after the horse is gone).
 
2020-12-01 7:33:16 AM  

MLWS: I love how the US bragged about not bowing before any King, and then they go and crown one that is...

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We all know...
Dr. Robert Underdunk "Bob" Terwilliger, hJr.'s Churchillian Observation
Crossed with Al Pacino's character Kirkland in his courtroom challenge.
And Justice for All You're Out of Order
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But Bob was reformed, finally. Just in time for Christmas.Simpsons.fandcom.com
 
2020-12-01 7:33:34 AM  
Go ahead... make that precedent. America woulda look completely different in only one administrative term. We got the ball, so I am totally down.
 
2020-12-01 7:34:08 AM  

Threp: IndyJohn: SecondaryControl: ...doesn't a pardon remove 5th amendment protections?

Yes and no

You can still invoke the 5th if you are potentially subject to state-level prosecution

I keep forgetting about the state/federal tier thing.

My apologies - though the reasoning still stands.


So you can't back date it like a check either?  Thats too bad for certain type of people. Does no take backs apply to this situation?
 
2020-12-01 7:34:18 AM  

Threp: IndyJohn: SecondaryControl: ...doesn't a pardon remove 5th amendment protections?

Yes and no

You can still invoke the 5th if you are potentially subject to state-level prosecution

I keep forgetting about the state/federal tier thing.

My apologies - though the reasoning still stands.


Important to note that there needs to be a potential state crime out there that applies to the subject of the testimony. You can't just invoke the fifth broadly to not testify at all.

For example, I don't think there's a state law equivalent to failing to register as a foreign agent.  You could potentially be compelled to testify and answer questions that relate to that subject if you've received a federal pardon.  And you could not rely on the threat of state prosecution to refuse.
 
2020-12-01 7:36:41 AM  

IndyJohn: wingnut396: Here is the real question.  Can you pardon yourself for unspecified future crimes?  We know that Ford gave a blanket pardon for Nixon on anything he may have been involved with between two sets of dates.  So what happens if those dates are in the future?

I DECLARD MYSELF PARDONED FOR THE PERIOD BETWEEN JAN 1 1960 and DEC 31 2112.

Done deal, nothing more to worry over.

A pardon can only reach past conduct.  That's established in case law.



So you can't back date it like a check either?  Thats too bad for certain type of people. Does no take backs apply to this situation?

Replied to wrong person at first.  Or was it a part a master debate strategeium?
 
2020-12-01 7:41:04 AM  

wildcardjack: I'm reminded of this fantasy detail from late Jack Ryan novels where they had "a stack of signed blank pardons". Don't you have to say what a person is being pardoned for?


Not if they have letters of transit and Rick has any say in it. He's impressed.
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2020-12-01 7:41:49 AM  
I am not personally optimistic that the supreme court with invalidate a pardon that Donald Trump issues for himself.  But that does not get him in the clear.

It's important to note that a pardon does not invalidate civil obligations created by federal law.  As a relevant example, it does not wipe out past tax debt.

Also, since a pardon does not reach future conduct, it would not absolve Trump of crimes based on ongoing conduct.  So, using another tax example, Trump has engaged in a "debt parking" scheme that is still ongoing and that appears to be constitute tax evasion.  Even though at this scheme was hatched before Trump was even president, he could still face charges even if he issues himself a pardon.

This is just one example. Trump may be able to absolve himself of federal criminal liability for things he did as president, but his finances are complex and there's lots of ongoing conduct.  Even without addressing state level charges, it's not likely he could use a pardon to get himself completely in the clear.
 
2020-12-01 7:44:13 AM  

IndyJohn: I am not personally optimistic that the supreme court with invalidate a pardon that Donald Trump issues for himself.  But that does not get him in the clear.

It's important to note that a pardon does not invalidate civil obligations created by federal law.  As a relevant example, it does not wipe out past tax debt.

Also, since a pardon does not reach future conduct, it would not absolve Trump of crimes based on ongoing conduct.  So, using another tax example, Trump has engaged in a "debt parking" scheme that is still ongoing and that appears to be constitute tax evasion.  Even though at this scheme was hatched before Trump was even president, he could still face charges even if he issues himself a pardon.

This is just one example. Trump may be able to absolve himself of federal criminal liability for things he did as president, but his finances are complex and there's lots of ongoing conduct.  Even without addressing state level charges, it's not likely he could use a pardon to get himself completely in the clear.


I think you forgetting the true trump card he holds:
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2020-12-01 7:46:03 AM  
I hope states are further along in their investigations than we know and that we don't have to wait long for at least minor players to be arrested or at least subpoenaed.

I am curious as to what all of those sealed indictments from the Mueller probe will bore out in VA, especially considering that one of the lawyers from that group recently said that they should continue to investigate Dotard and his admin and Klan.
 
2020-12-01 7:49:38 AM  
I do not know who is more pathetic, Sidney "Kraken" Powell or Donald Trump's lapdog Sean Hannity.

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