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(Vox)   The department store and the middle class are dying   (vox.com) divider line
    More: Murica, Retailing, Department store, marquee department stores, Shopping mall, fallen department store chains, department stores, retail tenants, much of the past century  
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2020-11-30 9:58:53 PM  
'Are' dying?

Twenty years late to the party, pal.

And THIS is why so many Repuglican men are angry to the point of violence.  But naturally, herded like sheep by the very people who massively lowered their standard of living into thinking their problems are because of POC, Dems, and un-beaten women.
 
2020-11-30 10:17:54 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: 'Are' dying?

Twenty years late to the party, pal.

And THIS is why so many Repuglican men are angry to the point of violence.  But naturally, herded like sheep by the very people who massively lowered their standard of living into thinking their problems are because of POC, Dems, and un-beaten women.


And we're done here.
 
2020-11-30 10:23:52 PM  
At some point, the Elites are going to realize they are going to have to do something about all the excess people.
 
2020-11-30 10:34:51 PM  

Another Government Employee: At some point, the Elites are going to realize they are going to have to do something about all the excess people.


Tell them to not wear masks and vaccines will make them slaves.  The problem will solve itself.

/Oh wait...
 
2020-11-30 11:08:05 PM  

Another Government Employee: At some point, the Elites are going to realize they are going to have to do something about all the excess people.


Keep squeezing water out of the stones, like always. They're fine if enough of the rubes love them.
 
2020-11-30 11:24:51 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Another Government Employee: At some point, the Elites are going to realize they are going to have to do something about all the excess people.

Keep squeezing water out of the stones, like always. They're fine if enough of the rubes love them.


Fed by the lie that if they 'work real hard', they themselves will become billionaires too.  Ingrates.
 
2020-12-01 2:46:25 AM  
It had a good 180 year run. To be real, it was already dying at least 20 years ago. It reached its apex around 2001.
 
2020-12-01 2:51:00 AM  

Another Government Employee: At some point, the Elites are going to realize they are going to have to do something about all the excess people.


have you read the news lately? between the 'rona, millions unemployed and hungry children we're doing a swell job of ridding the excess population. the vaccine is barely going to make a dent thanks to anti vaxxer soccer mom morans.
 
2020-12-01 2:55:45 AM  

pxlboy: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: 'Are' dying?

Twenty years late to the party, pal.

And THIS is why so many Repuglican men are angry to the point of violence.  But naturally, herded like sheep by the very people who massively lowered their standard of living into thinking their problems are because of POC, Dems, and un-beaten women.

And we're done here.


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Now we're done.
 
2020-12-01 7:03:58 AM  

sinko swimo: Another Government Employee: At some point, the Elites are going to realize they are going to have to do something about all the excess people.

have you read the news lately? between the 'rona, millions unemployed and hungry children we're doing a swell job of ridding the excess population. the vaccine is barely going to make a dent thanks to anti vaxxer soccer mom morans.


The vaccine needs to be mandatory or the Republican anti-vaxer plaque rats will continue to spread it
 
2020-12-01 7:17:33 AM  
You mean the places that haven't significantly changed their floor plan or business models since at least the 80s? They've got problems far beyond the decline of the middle class.
 
2020-12-01 7:34:53 AM  
Are Target and Walmart not department stores?  They seem to be doing just fine as far as I can tell.
 
2020-12-01 8:15:12 AM  
New blood always kills brands.
Ford and Sears got huge because they wanted to provide good products all Americans can afford. New blood comes in and tries to maximize profits from their brand by charging more for lower quality.
Walmart and Japanesr cars come in and eats their lunch because they are now the affordable option. Walmart has been cutting wages while raising prices for years. In comes Amazon, Costco , Aldi and other online retailers.

All behemoths get greedy and die eventually , killed by a company that followed their original business plan.
 
2020-12-01 8:44:06 AM  

MegaLib: sinko swimo: Another Government Employee: At some point, the Elites are going to realize they are going to have to do something about all the excess people.

have you read the news lately? between the 'rona, millions unemployed and hungry children we're doing a swell job of ridding the excess population. the vaccine is barely going to make a dent thanks to anti vaxxer soccer mom morans.

The vaccine needs to be mandatory or the Republican anti-vaxer plaque rats will continue to spread it


If the medical workers are protected and anti-vaxxers have a low priority, says just below 4-yos with boo-boos, I'm fine with this.
 
2020-12-01 8:49:04 AM  
The Man Who Invented, Then Hated, Shopping Malls
Youtube 4F7WCutpsJw
 
2020-12-01 9:00:58 AM  
The Department Store Boxing
Youtube zGwSbmsZe2E
 
2020-12-01 9:28:57 AM  

debug: Are Target and Walmart not department stores?  They seem to be doing just fine as far as I can tell.


Target replaced Nordstrom and Wal-Mart replaced JC Penney.   Never ending downward spiral of suck.  Next stop Dollar Genera
 
2020-12-01 9:44:31 AM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: 'Are' dying?

Twenty years late to the party, pal.

And THIS is why so many Repuglican men are angry to the point of violence.  But naturally, herded like sheep by the very people who massively lowered their standard of living into thinking their problems are because of POC, Dems, and un-beaten women.


Someone forgot to take their Zoloft again...
 
2020-12-01 9:49:19 AM  

Copperbelly watersnake: You mean the places that haven't significantly changed their floor plan or business models since at least the 80s? They've got problems far beyond the decline of the middle class.


The 80's?

It's been that way since Sears invented the giant windowless retail cube in the late 1950's.  Shoppers of the 1950's  were enthralled by shopping under these fancy new neon lights.
 
2020-12-01 9:59:58 AM  

Turbo Cojones: debug: Are Target and Walmart not department stores?  They seem to be doing just fine as far as I can tell.

Target replaced Nordstrom and Wal-Mart replaced JC Penney.   Never ending downward spiral of suck.  Next stop Dollar Genera


To be fair, most departments stores are a pile of suck to begin with.  Not sure why people shot at them other than pure laziness or cheapness.
 
2020-12-01 10:09:33 AM  

Turbo Cojones: debug: Are Target and Walmart not department stores?  They seem to be doing just fine as far as I can tell.

Target replaced Nordstrom and Wal-Mart replaced JC Penney.   Never ending downward spiral of suck.  Next stop Dollar Genera


Walmart and Amazon together replaced Sears' stores and catalogs.

Kohls, which now has more locations than JC Penny, seems to have replaced it.

Interesting side-note on Target... apparently they just don't do rural.  I would have guessed there were more Targets than Walmarts (I know there are 5 within a 20 minute drive of me and only 1 Walmart).  I would have been wrong.

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2020-12-01 10:51:26 AM  
Any retail analysis for this year is clouded by Covid shutdowns and related downturns in sales.
 
2020-12-01 10:55:35 AM  

Another Government Employee: At some point, the Elites are going to realize they are going to have to do something about all the excess people.


You have it backwards. At some point, the millions of proles are going to do something about the small number of elites who feel that they need 1000 servants just to live their lives.

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That's YOU, princess. And what are you going to do when the whole farking thing just doesn't.......work.....anymore, and the supply.....the supply chains......they just break.......they break= down.
That's happening now. And it's going to continue. The only thing holding it together is YOUR MONEY and the desperation of working people. But it's too much. You want too much, you have too much, you leave too much of the burden of living to those who have less already, and it's falling apart. The rush to automation is being sidelined by the failure of the living world (yes, that is the most important part, that thing you never, ever think about when you get your fixes) to keep up with your greed, and nobody is paying attention.

They just have faith that the whole farking thing will continue, because you trust those big corporations to keep giving you that dopamine rush, every time you click. They PROMISED. You have based your entire life on this premise--that as long as you have money, everything is cheap and easy, nothing has any hidden pitfalls, and nobody will have to pay for all those cheap thrills.

And it's going to fail fail, fail.
And I LOVE IT.

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2020-12-01 10:58:27 AM  

Izunbacol: nteresting side-note on Target... apparently they just don't do rural. I would have guessed there were more Targets than Walmarts (I know there are 5 within a 20 minute drive of me and only 1 Walmart). I would have been wrong.


The Tar-ghey? Yeah, we don't care for things with targets on them. It implies some sort of sacrifice. Probably mine.
With Wal-Mart, at least you're among friends. We're all forced to shop there.
 
2020-12-01 11:10:56 AM  

debug: Turbo Cojones: debug: Are Target and Walmart not department stores?  They seem to be doing just fine as far as I can tell.

Target replaced Nordstrom and Wal-Mart replaced JC Penney.   Never ending downward spiral of suck.  Next stop Dollar Genera

To be fair, most departments stores are a pile of suck to begin with.  Not sure why people shot at them other than pure laziness or cheapness.


I'm just old enough to remember when department stores (Sears, in particular for me) were exciting places to visit to see cool new things.  They actually had the latest in computers/tools/appliances/electronics that you might have read about in a magazine, right there on the floor to try.  At least some of the salespeople actually knew their products and could answer questions!

I'm sure there were many reasons, but the combination of stagnating wages post-1973 and the rise of the Internet & direct sales post-1995 have pretty much killed them off.  The last thing I bought at a department store was a set of towels, because I really wanted to feel them before buying.  Great towels, but that was years ago.
 
2020-12-01 12:05:11 PM  

cryinoutloud: Another Government Employee: At some point, the Elites are going to realize they are going to have to do something about all the excess people.

You have it backwards. At some point, the millions of proles are going to do something about the small number of elites who feel that they need 1000 servants just to live their lives.

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That's YOU, princess. And what are you going to do when the whole farking thing just doesn't.......work.....anymore, and the supply.....the supply chains......they just break.......they break= down.
That's happening now. And it's going to continue. The only thing holding it together is YOUR MONEY and the desperation of working people. But it's too much. You want too much, you have too much, you leave too much of the burden of living to those who have less already, and it's falling apart. The rush to automation is being sidelined by the failure of the living world (yes, that is the most important part, that thing you never, ever think about when you get your fixes) to keep up with your greed, and nobody is paying attention.

They just have faith that the whole farking thing will continue, because you trust those big corporations to keep giving you that dopamine rush, every time you click. They PROMISED. You have based your entire life on this premise--that as long as you have money, everything is cheap and easy, nothing has any hidden pitfalls, and nobody will have to pay for all those cheap thrills.

And it's going to fail fail, fail.
And I LOVE IT.

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In my tiny Red village, the most important folk are easily plumbers and electricians.
 
2020-12-01 2:34:09 PM  
Obvious article is obvious.

/Still no clue how places like Macy's are still in business.
 
2020-12-01 3:17:05 PM  

MBZ321: Obvious article is obvious.

/Still no clue how places like Macy's are still in business.


They own their land and/or pay no rent in long sweetheart leases.
 
2020-12-01 3:32:23 PM  

Another Government Employee: At some point, the Elites are going to realize they are going to have to do something about all the excess people.


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2020-12-01 5:58:28 PM  

baronm: debug: Turbo Cojones: debug: Are Target and Walmart not department stores?  They seem to be doing just fine as far as I can tell.

Target replaced Nordstrom and Wal-Mart replaced JC Penney.   Never ending downward spiral of suck.  Next stop Dollar Genera

To be fair, most departments stores are a pile of suck to begin with.  Not sure why people shot at them other than pure laziness or cheapness.

I'm just old enough to remember when department stores (Sears, in particular for me) were exciting places to visit to see cool new things.  They actually had the latest in computers/tools/appliances/electronics that you might have read about in a magazine, right there on the floor to try.  At least some of the salespeople actually knew their products and could answer questions!

I'm sure there were many reasons, but the combination of stagnating wages post-1973 and the rise of the Internet & direct sales post-1995 have pretty much killed them off.  The last thing I bought at a department store was a set of towels, because I really wanted to feel them before buying.  Great towels, but that was years ago.


I was 6 when my dad took me to the Sunday fashion shows at Hess Department Store in Allentown, PA.  It was a middle/upper middle class department store.  Out of nostalgia I browsed the period Google pics and even the very extensive cafe menu.  Amazing selection and presentation compared to the norm of today.  I remember my mom bought her sterling flatware service there and my father bought his Paul Newman Daytona Rolex there. I got to look at the girls modeling swim wear. My how things have changed.
 
2020-12-01 9:11:09 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: 'Are' dying?

Twenty years late to the party, pal.

And THIS is why so many Repuglican men are angry to the point of violence.  But naturally, herded like sheep by the very people who massively lowered their standard of living into thinking their problems are because of POC, Dems, and un-beaten women.


50 years. It's been happening since the 1970's at least.
 
2020-12-02 7:46:51 AM  

Turbo Cojones: baronm: debug: Turbo Cojones: debug: Are Target and Walmart not department stores?  They seem to be doing just fine as far as I can tell.

Target replaced Nordstrom and Wal-Mart replaced JC Penney.   Never ending downward spiral of suck.  Next stop Dollar Genera

To be fair, most departments stores are a pile of suck to begin with.  Not sure why people shot at them other than pure laziness or cheapness.

I'm just old enough to remember when department stores (Sears, in particular for me) were exciting places to visit to see cool new things.  They actually had the latest in computers/tools/appliances/electronics that you might have read about in a magazine, right there on the floor to try.  At least some of the salespeople actually knew their products and could answer questions!

I'm sure there were many reasons, but the combination of stagnating wages post-1973 and the rise of the Internet & direct sales post-1995 have pretty much killed them off.  The last thing I bought at a department store was a set of towels, because I really wanted to feel them before buying.  Great towels, but that was years ago.

I was 6 when my dad took me to the Sunday fashion shows at Hess Department Store in Allentown, PA.  It was a middle/upper middle class department store.  Out of nostalgia I browsed the period Google pics and even the very extensive cafe menu.  Amazing selection and presentation compared to the norm of today.  I remember my mom bought her sterling flatware service there and my father bought his Paul Newman Daytona Rolex there. I got to look at the girls modeling swim wear. My how things have changed.


I remember Hess's.  We had one at the Capitol City Mall in Camp Hill, PA along with JC Penny and Pomeroy's.  John Wanamaker was a bit more upscale and that was over at the Harrisburg East mall.
 
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