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(Ars Technica)   The good thing about Tor: for those who are in authoritarian countries it provides a way for individuals to become free. The bad thing about Tor: for those in free countries it provides a way for individuals to consume child sex abuse imagery   (arstechnica.com) divider line
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2020-11-30 9:31:22 PM  
Freedom isn't free. "Warts and all"

You know where porn isn't a problem?

North Korea
 
2020-11-30 9:50:08 PM  
Really scary stuff. Nobody has ever used a tool for nefarious purposes before Tor.
 
2020-11-30 10:02:12 PM  
You forgot buy drugs and have them sent to you in the mail.

Which always seemed just a little weird, do you really want illegal drugs delivered to your house?
 
2020-11-30 11:23:10 PM  
That's not a bad thing about Tor. That's a bad thing about pedophiles.

Don't claim that all encryption is bad by insinuation, Big Brother.  Some of it is necessary, all of it should be legal and out of government/ISP hands.
 
2020-12-01 12:11:55 AM  
TIME FOR GO TO HELL
 
2020-12-01 12:50:51 AM  
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2020-12-01 6:27:15 AM  
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2020-12-01 8:36:09 AM  

Gubbo: You forgot buy drugs and have them sent to you in the mail.

Which always seemed just a little weird, do you really want illegal drugs delivered to your house?


In all fairness, do you want to have to go down into the ghetto to go purchase them?  Or have unsavory characters personally deliver them to your home?
 
2020-12-01 8:48:46 AM  
Did you know that some women of ill repute are using these new-fangled telephones to arrange trists with men? Scandalous! This NEVER used to happen before!
 
2020-12-01 9:54:33 AM  

syrynxx: That's not a bad thing about Tor. That's a bad thing about pedophiles.

Don't claim that all encryption is bad by insinuation, Big Brother.  Some of it is necessary, all of it should be legal and out of government/ISP hands.


I heard on the internet that all technology is evil. Tools in general are evil. You cannot use tools or technology for good, it's definitely not people that decide how to use them that are good or evil.
 
2020-12-01 10:30:15 AM  
If people think Tor is still anonymous, they are in for a rude awakening. And maybe should go back and read all the caveats in the original  paper.
 
2020-12-01 11:55:32 AM  

Quantumbunny: I heard on the internet that all technology is evil. Tools in general are evil. You cannot use tools or technology for good, it's definitely not people that decide how to use them that are good or evil.


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If only you farkers would use them for good, instead of just making your dick hard.
 
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2020-12-01 4:20:39 PM  
For a moment, I thought the headline was referring to the publisher, and I was really confused.
 
2020-12-01 4:54:20 PM  

Quantumbunny: syrynxx: That's not a bad thing about Tor. That's a bad thing about pedophiles.

Don't claim that all encryption is bad by insinuation, Big Brother.  Some of it is necessary, all of it should be legal and out of government/ISP hands.

I heard on the internet that all technology is evil. Tools in general are evil. You cannot use tools or technology for good, it's definitely not people that decide how to use them that are good or evil.


While we're blaming the tools, all of this is the fault of camera manufacturers in the first place.  Therefore none of us can have cameras.  If anyone records the police, we must arrest them for using the same tools as those used by pedophiles to record their crimes.  /s
 
2020-12-01 7:09:51 PM  

cryinoutloud: If only you farkers would use them for good, instead of just making your dick hard.


You don't think that's good?
 
2020-12-01 7:21:36 PM  

syrynxx: Don't claim that all encryption is bad by insinuation, Big Brother.  Some of it is necessary, all of it should be legal and out of government/ISP hands.


Xzano: If people think Tor is still anonymous, they are in for a rude awakening. And maybe should go back and read all the caveats in the original  paper.


This.  Good Things About Tor and Bad Things About Tor are what they are, but apparently the Most Forgotten Thing About Tor is who created it.
 
2020-12-01 7:41:05 PM  

Gubbo: You forgot buy drugs and have them sent to you in the mail.

Which always seemed just a little weird, do you really want illegal drugs delivered to your house?


Yes. It is safe and fast. I've had easily over $10k worth of marijuana products delivered to me over the past few years.

//waiting for the bitcoin I bought to clear to buy 14 grams of THC wax for $148.90 plus bitcoin fees.
 
2020-12-01 11:57:55 PM  

dbirchall: This.  Good Things About Tor and Bad Things About Tor are what they are, but apparently the Most Forgotten Thing About Tor is who created it.


I think it is largely irrelevant, because for one thing the US Government isn't a monolith with a single agenda.  More accurately you should consider it like a hydra.  Different aspects have different - often conflicting - agendas.  The funding didn't exactly come from the NSA.  To them, it is clearly a problem.  Snowden's leaked documents demonstrated how the NSA is very not fond of TOR.  Which is pretty funny when people want to make it out to be a secret honey trap.

Frankly I think the "TOR IS COMPROMISED" views are pushed primarily by the NSA and FBI, in order to scare people off it.  Hypothetically speaking if TOR did literally nothing - which is obviously not the case - then you are no worse off then not using it at all.  Not one bit worse off.

But the other thing about "OMG Government funded!" is that TOR software isn't some black box that we don't know what sort of code it is running.  It is scary only if you choose to remain ignorant.  And have you considered that if there was some nefarious scheme... why would they be open about their funding?  There is literally no reason to be so honest about it if they had some darker intentions.  Think a little!  Not revealing their funding is an option, and funneling money through a seemingly harmless intermediary is another.  Yet... they where fully transparent.  Of course those who don't want average people using TOR would like to make hay of this, to scare average people away.  And you - presumably not knowing any better - are assisting in this agenda.  STOP.

Xzano: If people think Tor is still anonymous, they are in for a rude awakening. And maybe should go back and read all the caveats in the original  paper.


There are no problems with the protocol itself.  TOR is anonymous.  However it does not make you magically immune to traditional means of police work.  LEO are more than glad to put out stories of "busting TOR users".  But they aren't exactly keen on advertising how they did it.  In the case of DPR of Silk Road getting busted... he was sloppy.  You can read the actual complaint against him here.  Such gems as him posting a question on Stack Overflow asking "How can I connect to a Tor hidden service using curl in PHP?", using an account made under his name and then a minute later changed it to "frosty".  They tracked the IP addressed used by the gmail account - which he used to register on Stack Overflow - to the internet cafe he was using.  So many agencies looking for him, and they only found him because he was sloppy and lazy.  Even his Linked In had reference to his activities, though not directly spelling it out.

If you get arrested for any number of reasons, you can expect they may look at your electronics and find evidence or clues to crimes they didn't even know about - and that's if they didn't previously suspect you of those other things.  Now if they can use that opportunity to scare away people from using TOR, all the better.  The more people are on there, the harder everything is to identify anything.

I would remind you that there are people who live in oppressive regimes not getting arrested and/or murdered because they are using TOR.  But they are not relying on TOR alone while ignoring every other aspect of their operational security.  I'd also like to point out the EFF remains in favor of it.  Clearly they find it still useful.  What do you think you know that they don't?  The correct answer is: nothing.
 
2020-12-02 12:11:27 AM  

johnphantom: Gubbo: You forgot buy drugs and have them sent to you in the mail.

Which always seemed just a little weird, do you really want illegal drugs delivered to your house?

Yes. It is safe and fast. I've had easily over $10k worth of marijuana products delivered to me over the past few years.

//waiting for the bitcoin I bought to clear to buy 14 grams of THC wax for $148.90 plus bitcoin fees.


Now when you get arrested, we can expect an article "Police bust man using TOR to buy drugs" and useful fools will use this as evidence that TOR is broken, because how else could police have found you?  It isn't like you are openly talking about your crimes on a public website!

So thanks for underlining my point about operational security... in the worst way.
 
2020-12-02 7:01:34 AM  

bk3k: johnphantom: Gubbo: You forgot buy drugs and have them sent to you in the mail.

Which always seemed just a little weird, do you really want illegal drugs delivered to your house?

Yes. It is safe and fast. I've had easily over $10k worth of marijuana products delivered to me over the past few years.

//waiting for the bitcoin I bought to clear to buy 14 grams of THC wax for $148.90 plus bitcoin fees.

Now when you get arrested, we can expect an article "Police bust man using TOR to buy drugs" and useful fools will use this as evidence that TOR is broken, because how else could police have found you?  It isn't like you are openly talking about your crimes on a public website!

So thanks for underlining my point about operational security... in the worst way.


They aint coming after me for buying 14 grams of marijuana product a month. When was the last time you heard of someone getting busted for buying marijuana products using the darkweb, even in bulk?
 
2020-12-02 7:03:00 AM  
Oh and I couldn't give a shiat about your ideals concerning Tor - it is a tool I use, and that is what it was intended for, and if you don't like that then tough titties.
 
2020-12-02 12:09:06 PM  

johnphantom: Oh and I couldn't give a shiat about your ideals concerning Tor - it is a tool I use, and that is what it was intended for, and if you don't like that then tough titties.


ProTip: When breaking the law, don't brag about breaking the law.

It has nothing to do with ideals, though I don't enjoy you adding to the stereotype that only criminals are using TOR.  Has it occurred to you that some farkers are police too?  They'd be here to read and screw around (same as any other farker), but an admission of crimes offered to them freely when they weren't even looking for it...  C'mon man, that's just dumb on your part.

Now I'm completely against the "War on Drugs" myself and think it should be ended completely.  So I don't think what you're doing should be a crime (nor even something to be ashamed about), but none the less it is a crime.  Ask your lawyer just how smart it is to admit to crime on a public forum.
 
2020-12-02 1:02:59 PM  

bk3k: johnphantom: Oh and I couldn't give a shiat about your ideals concerning Tor - it is a tool I use, and that is what it was intended for, and if you don't like that then tough titties.

ProTip: When breaking the law, don't brag about breaking the law.

It has nothing to do with ideals, though I don't enjoy you adding to the stereotype that only criminals are using TOR.  Has it occurred to you that some farkers are police too?  They'd be here to read and screw around (same as any other farker), but an admission of crimes offered to them freely when they weren't even looking for it...  C'mon man, that's just dumb on your part.

Now I'm completely against the "War on Drugs" myself and think it should be ended completely.  So I don't think what you're doing should be a crime (nor even something to be ashamed about), but none the less it is a crime.  Ask your lawyer just how smart it is to admit to crime on a public forum.


And again, What Are They Going To Do?
 
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