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(Yahoo)   Iran considers barring access of nuclear sites to international inspectors in response to assassination of top nuke bomb scientist. Of course all clandestine secret nuke bomb making sites will still be off limits   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2020-11-30 1:13:37 PM  
This isn't a Bond film.  Real people talk.  Maybe not the top people, but they need cleaning crews and building maintenance just like everyone else.  Secret manufacturing sites are only secret until people start coming and going in and out of them.

This is a message to the Saudis that they're going ahead with a bomb.  The moment that happens, the Saudis will get a bomb too.

I bet the Saudis will test theirs first.  Won't that be fun.
 
2020-11-30 4:26:19 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I bet the Saudis will test theirs first.  Won't that be fun.


Depends on what city they test it on.
 
2020-11-30 9:04:52 PM  
studebaker hoch: Marcus Aurelius: I bet the Saudis will test theirs first.  Won't that be fun.

Depends on what city they test it on.


The have a lot of barren desert. Why test it on a city?

Unless that city is Sana'a...
 
2020-11-30 9:06:57 PM  
clandestine and secret?

Can the Iranians even find them?
 
2020-11-30 9:07:53 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: This isn't a Bond film.  Real people talk.  Maybe not the top people, but they need cleaning crews and building maintenance just like everyone else.  Secret manufacturing sites are only secret until people start coming and going in and out of them.

This is a message to the Saudis that they're going ahead with a bomb.  The moment that happens, the Saudis will get a bomb too.

I bet the Saudis will test theirs first.  Won't that be fun.


Didn't the US have such a site?  ALL the workers lived in a city made just for them and had little to no contact to the outside world.
 
2020-11-30 9:13:48 PM  
Sure would be nice if we still had that agreement with Iran that allowed close monitoring of their nuclear production and capabilities...
 
2020-11-30 9:14:34 PM  
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2020-11-30 9:17:04 PM  

Moroning: Marcus Aurelius: This isn't a Bond film.  Real people talk.  Maybe not the top people, but they need cleaning crews and building maintenance just like everyone else.  Secret manufacturing sites are only secret until people start coming and going in and out of them.

This is a message to the Saudis that they're going ahead with a bomb.  The moment that happens, the Saudis will get a bomb too.

I bet the Saudis will test theirs first.  Won't that be fun.

Didn't the US have such a site?  ALL the workers lived in a city made just for them and had little to no contact to the outside world.


Everyone but Klaus, apparently.
 
2020-11-30 9:17:05 PM  
Once again I'm awed, and somewhat worried, by the cold calculating rationalism of what cannot be denied is a religiously extremist regime seeking to assert its power over its regional.  If Trump was running Iran he'd respond to these provocations by starting an unwinnable war that would make Iraq/Afghanistan look like a picnic for the Americans.  Damaging to us to be sure, but it would be totally destructive to him, which is why no rational leader would do it.

But that also means these guys aren't the crazy turban on fire cartoon characters many westerns believe they are, but rather calculating, rational, and patient in pursuit of their goals.
 
2020-11-30 9:23:01 PM  
Part of the reason for retaliating in the first place, is to create a "if you hit me I'll hit you" narrative for public consumption at home.  This doesn't really have a weighty appearance to it though.  It doesn't seem like it would generate enough of that to be worth it.
 
2020-11-30 9:25:32 PM  
5$ says Iran already has nukes.
Who do you think sends oil to Best Korea?
You think Best Korea pays in petrodollars?
Much cheaper to pay with the designs on a plutonium device.

There's that scene from the Prince of Darkness.  Lady is possessed & typing:  "I live. I Live.  I live.  Your god plutonium cannot save you."  Stupid movie, but that scene always stuck.

If you've got heavy water (Tritium), you don't need enrichment.  The Holy Trinity allows you to go str8 to Pu.  Even the Nuclear Boy Scout figured that out.
 
2020-11-30 9:26:01 PM  

aleister_greynight: Part of the reason for retaliating in the first place, is to create a "if you hit me I'll hit you" narrative for public consumption at home.  This doesn't really have a weighty appearance to it though.  It doesn't seem like it would generate enough of that to be worth it.


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2020-11-30 9:28:38 PM  

J_Kushner: If you've got heavy water (Tritium), you don't need enrichment.  The Holy Trinity allows you to go str8 to Pu.  Even the Nuclear Boy Scout figured that out.


Supposedly Iran filled the core if their IR-40 reactor with cement. It was always a questionable statement that a heavy-water reactor was for "research" when it was obviously for producing plutonium.
 
2020-11-30 9:29:08 PM  

TorpedoOrca: Sure would be nice if we still had that agreement with Iran that allowed close monitoring of their nuclear production and capabilities...


Yeah like that mattered lol
 
2020-11-30 9:40:28 PM  

TorpedoOrca: Sure would be nice if we still had that agreement with Iran that allowed close monitoring of their nuclear production and capabilities...


That's the deal where we give them advance notice of inspections so they can hide everything before the inspectors arrive?
 
2020-11-30 9:42:45 PM  

solokumba: aleister_greynight: Part of the reason for retaliating in the first place, is to create a "if you hit me I'll hit you" narrative for public consumption at home.  This doesn't really have a weighty appearance to it though.  It doesn't seem like it would generate enough of that to be worth it.

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After four years of Trump... still no. W should be tried for his crimes.
 
2020-11-30 9:42:52 PM  

J_Kushner: 5$ says Iran already has nukes.
Who do you think sends oil to Best Korea?
You think Best Korea pays in petrodollars?
Much cheaper to pay with the designs on a plutonium device.

There's that scene from the Prince of Darkness.  Lady is possessed & typing:  "I live. I Live.  I live.  Your god plutonium cannot save you."  Stupid movie, but that scene always stuck.

If you've got heavy water (Tritium), you don't need enrichment.  The Holy Trinity allows you to go str8 to Pu.  Even the Nuclear Boy Scout figured that out.


Modern H bombs still use a fission core to generate the conditions for fusion to occur.
 
2020-11-30 9:46:10 PM  

TorpedoOrca: Sure would be nice if we still had that agreement with Iran that allowed close monitoring of their nuclear production and capabilities...


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2020-11-30 10:10:06 PM  

mrmopar5287: studebaker hoch: Marcus Aurelius: I bet the Saudis will test theirs first.  Won't that be fun.

Depends on what city they test it on.

The have a lot of barren desert. Why test it on a city?

Unless that city is Sana'a...


At least we know no one in Saudi Arabia would ever use a commercial passenger aircraft for nefarious purposes.
 
2020-11-30 10:28:03 PM  
So.. Iran becoming like North Korea?

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2020-11-30 11:00:13 PM  

solokumba: aleister_greynight: Part of the reason for retaliating in the first place, is to create a "if you hit me I'll hit you" narrative for public consumption at home.  This doesn't really have a weighty appearance to it though.  It doesn't seem like it would generate enough of that to be worth it.

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No I do not miss that bastard.   His disasterous 2003 vanity invasion of Iraq further devastated that country and caused issues we are still dealing with today.  ISIS is only part of it.

That is the one thing Trump has not done on his watch.   He still has fifty days or so left, and israel is trying oh-so-cleverly to get Iran to "start" something with him.
 
2020-12-01 12:47:11 AM  

aleister_greynight: J_Kushner: 5$ says Iran already has nukes.
Who do you think sends oil to Best Korea?
You think Best Korea pays in petrodollars?
Much cheaper to pay with the designs on a plutonium device.

There's that scene from the Prince of Darkness.  Lady is possessed & typing:  "I live. I Live.  I live.  Your god plutonium cannot save you."  Stupid movie, but that scene always stuck.

If you've got heavy water (Tritium), you don't need enrichment.  The Holy Trinity allows you to go str8 to Pu.  Even the Nuclear Boy Scout figured that out.

Modern H bombs still use a fission core to generate the conditions for fusion to occur.


Does Best Korea have an H-bomb like they claim?
In the peanut design, how does the fusion reaction get set off before the fission reaction blows the fusion material to the far corners of the earth?  Apparently the fission reaction can be quite small, but even with a fission burst of x-rays, thermodynamics dictates the deuterium should escape energetically & repel one another.., not undergo fusion.   Logic tells me the real H-bomb design must put the deuterium at the core of a fission device, & the peanut design is deliberate misinfo.
//that's my suspicion
 
2020-12-01 10:45:57 AM  

J_Kushner: Does Best Korea have an H-bomb like they claim?


Yes they do.

Their final test was on the order of 300 kilotons, which was registered as a M6.3 earthuake and wrecked their test mountain.  That's well past ten times the strength of the bombs used against Japan, and more than enough to destroy a modern city.

I don't think they meant to test a weapon that powerful, and it got away from them.

We know the yield better than we are saying, but don't want to do their homework for them by giving the precise number.  It was enough.
 
2020-12-01 12:45:57 PM  

studebaker hoch: J_Kushner: Does Best Korea have an H-bomb like they claim?

Yes they do.

Their final test was on the order of 300 kilotons, which was registered as a M6.3 earthuake and wrecked their test mountain.  That's well past ten times the strength of the bombs used against Japan, and more than enough to destroy a modern city.

I don't think they meant to test a weapon that powerful, and it got away from them.

We know the yield better than we are saying, but don't want to do their homework for them by giving the precise number.  It was enough.


As I understand, that's still in the range of "boosted" fission (e.g. Joe-4) rather than a proper 2 stage device.  I suppose that's splitting hairs on the definition of H-bomb.

It's definitely interesting.
 
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