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(AP News)   When confronted with the facts of the Navalny poisoning, Russia goes all trump-y in its deflection/rejection. Or maybe he learned it from them   (apnews.com) divider line
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2020-11-30 10:36:41 PM  
lie, deny, obfuscate - the Russian way for centuries.
 
2020-11-30 10:50:58 PM  
I have Russian friends, and none of them think Navalny was targeted by Putin. They just think English readers have no idea of how irrelevant Navalny actually was in Russia and Russian enclaves. I counterpoint that Navalny was important to the EU and America, and the center of a network of EU-friendly, American-friendly businesses and intellectuals. They counter-counterpoint that Americans are the ones who privatized eastern Europe and divided it up with Russian oligarchs (this much I know is true, so they got me there; what benefits Putin benefits the GOP and has since Yeltsin - as the deeds to eastern European properties prove). As for the EU, they point out that Navalny might be symbol for them but he has literally no impact on any actual business or law.

I just think the extent to which Navalny is minimized in Russian discourse is fascinating, considering how much he is empahsized in Engish speaking media.
 
2020-11-30 10:53:02 PM  
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2020-11-30 10:53:30 PM  
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2020-11-30 11:09:42 PM  
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2020-11-30 11:50:34 PM  
Flag on the play. Headline assumes that Trump can learn anything
 
2020-12-01 3:02:02 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: I have Russian friends, and none of them think Navalny was targeted by Putin. They just think English readers have no idea of how irrelevant Navalny actually was in Russia and Russian enclaves. I counterpoint that Navalny was important to the EU and America, and the center of a network of EU-friendly, American-friendly businesses and intellectuals. They counter-counterpoint that Americans are the ones who privatized eastern Europe and divided it up with Russian oligarchs (this much I know is true, so they got me there; what benefits Putin benefits the GOP and has since Yeltsin - as the deeds to eastern European properties prove). As for the EU, they point out that Navalny might be symbol for them but he has literally no impact on any actual business or law.

I just think the extent to which Navalny is minimized in Russian discourse is fascinating, considering how much he is empahsized in Engish speaking media.


What the flying hell are you talking about? As a Russian living in Eastern Europe, I don't think words mean what you think they mean.
 
2020-12-01 3:15:27 AM  
For anyone relying on Russians' opinion about Navalny, please remember, that they are consuming Russian state propaganda media (and if we are talking about Russians living abroad, for example, in the USA, it's the ONLY thing they are consuming. Beyond Russia's borders Putin's support is huge) and asking their opinions on Navalny is like asking the opinion of people who read only Trump's twitter on US elections.
 
2020-12-01 3:25:21 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: They counter-counterpoint that Americans are the ones who privatized eastern Europe and divided it up with Russian oligarchs (this much I know is true, so they got me there; what benefits Putin benefits the GOP and has since Yeltsin - as the deeds to eastern European properties prove).


Do you understand how insane and stupid it sounds? I mean, I've lived through privatization, and I've seen how ex-communist-party members, organized crime and siloviki divided the former USSR, and there was not a single American present, because Americans simply lacked the slightest idea what was happening at the moment and why, much less to play an actual active role. Russian propaganda later blamed "Americans" in that, because of course they did, but really, did we came to the point where it actually means shiat?
 
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