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(Slate)   "My son is refusing to vaccinate his new baby. Would it be wrong for me to go behind his back and ensure the vaccines were given as medically appropriate? It's child abuse not to vaccinate, right?"   (slate.com) divider line
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264 clicks; posted to Discussion » on 30 Nov 2020 at 3:05 AM (7 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2020-11-29 10:25:08 PM  
Ok, Lois
 
2020-11-29 10:26:23 PM  
It is safe to say you have failed as a mother if your son is stupid enough to be pro-disease.  Is it too late for a late term abortion because that is the only way to solve that particular problem.

However, sneaking out and taking your grandchild to be vaccinated is a stupid thing to do.  Better to just go ahead and for their birthday make a big deal about buying them a burial plot.  When his parents ask why, just tell them that you want the child to have a safe place to be buried.
 
2020-11-29 10:40:50 PM  

BizarreMan: It is safe to say you have failed as a mother if your son is stupid enough to be pro-disease.  Is it too late for a late term abortion because that is the only way to solve that particular problem.

However, sneaking out and taking your grandchild to be vaccinated is a stupid thing to do.  Better to just go ahead and for their birthday make a big deal about buying them a burial plot.  When his parents ask why, just tell them that you want the child to have a safe place to be buried.


That course of action is gloriously passive aggressive!

/may I add, purchasing a life insurance plan as well?
 
2020-11-29 10:47:34 PM  

Redh8t: may I add, purchasing a life insurance plan as well?


And name yourself as the beneficiary.
 
2020-11-30 12:40:44 AM  
Dad was anti-vax. Mom went behind his back and got us kids vaccinated.
 
2020-11-30 12:52:48 AM  

Creepy Lurker Guy: Redh8t: may I add, purchasing a life insurance plan as well?

And name yourself as the beneficiary.


Due to Michael Malloy, this is no longer legal
 
2020-11-30 1:42:38 AM  
Do it, just don't tell him. ( maybe in 20 years)
 
2020-11-30 1:49:57 AM  

pxlboy: Dad was anti-vax. Mom went behind his back and got us kids vaccinated.


Yeah, but your mom had the legal standing to make medical decisions. The grandma in the article does not.

As much as I dislike anti-vaxxers the grandma needs to understand that a parent or legal guardian must be the person who receives the vaccine information sheet (VIS), HIPAA informational sheet, HIPAA consent form and completes the vaccine administration record for the child receiving shots.
 
2020-11-30 2:13:17 AM  
Vaccinate the kid and divorce your wife.
 
2020-11-30 2:14:01 AM  

MattytheMouse: Vaccinate the kid and divorce your wife.


Wait, I misread the headline!

Vaccinate the kid and emancipate your grandkids from your son.
 
2020-11-30 3:33:42 AM  
That's why I have two children. If one of them farks up, I'm relying on the other one for healthy grandchildren.
 
2020-11-30 4:27:03 AM  
The logistics of actually going to a pediatrician and getting secret vaccinations are not so simple. Are we going to the regular pediatrician or the first one you find? If it's a new doctor, how is grandma billing the kid's insurance? Is she paying out of pocket instead? How is grandma getting the kid for just enough time to visit the doctor? Is she planning to babysit at the same time the doctor has availability?

Then we have the problem of consent. A pediatrician willing to look the other way potentially subjects themselves to a battery lawsuit because the person who consented to the vaccination was not the child's parent. The consent forms grandma signs are going to be invalid, and there's the issue of the state's immunization records. If the grandparent decides to not let the doctor publish the shots to the state's records system, the clinic still has to keep medical records.

As soon as the kid hits daycare, the admins are going to ask for her shot records. If the daycare is shady or unlicensed and looks the other way, the K-12 school will ask for her shot records. Then it's not so much of a secret. Now you're thinking, well, hey that may be too late, kid's already got the shots, can't go after the doctor either.

Two problems. First, vaccination schedule is rigorous and spaced out. You need to see that doctor every few months in the first year to remain on schedule. It's a lot of visits, and keeps going until 18 months old. Then, followup doses need to be administered at 4 years of age.

Second problem, statute of limitations for malpractice, possibly battery, likely includes a discovery rule. Discovery rule means you can sue years after the doctor does something wrong if it takes a long time for you to find out that there was an issue. Makes sense, right? Doctor leaves a pair of scissors in you, you may not find out until you get an x-ray many years later. Doctor can't rely on the possibility of parents' ignorance considering they'll eventually find out.

If you're the parent, none of these things are really obstacles. If Dad says no, Mom takes the kid to the regular clinic, gets the shots, rips off the bandaids, sends in the records when educators ask, and Dad can remain in the dark. If you're a noncustodial grandparent, this is a field of land mines.
 
2020-11-30 4:37:15 AM  

MattytheMouse: MattytheMouse: Vaccinate the kid and divorce your wife.

Wait, I misread the headline!

Vaccinate the kid and emancipate your grandkids from your son.


Not gonna happen short of some visible horrors wrought on that kid.
Supreme Court says that the parent has a constitutional right to care custody and control of their child. The challenger has to establish that the parent is unfit before the issue of non-parental custody or visitation can even be heard. You have to fark up pretty bad to be found unfit by a court. Exceptions vary by state, but have arisen where a parent has abandoned a kid to the custody of a relative or when bio parent has shown that they've relinquished sole custody by letting the child establish a parental relationship with a cohabiting adult (read: lesbian moms).
 
2020-11-30 4:54:01 AM  
Buy your son a how to get away with murder book.
 
2020-11-30 6:11:00 AM  

Redh8t: purchasing a life insurance plan as well?


Gerber, the baby food corp, used to have a deal where if you bought X amount of their product [then chipped in Y dollars] you'd get a real whole life insurance plan for Elwood, Jr..

Very odd except when viewed in context with parents who grew up in Depression era households.
 
2020-11-30 6:39:27 AM  

MattytheMouse: MattytheMouse: Vaccinate the kid and divorce your wife.

Wait, I misread the headline!

Vaccinate the kid and emancipate your grandkids from your son.


Edward scissorhands moment.

The course of action is unethical, yet moral.
 
2020-11-30 9:51:43 AM  
How exactly is she going to take her son's baby to get vaccinated without parental consent?
 
2020-11-30 9:56:14 AM  
You can NOT do that. But what you can do is microwave the baby for 60 seconds, or an internal temp of 165℉, every time they bring it over to make sure it's virus free.
 
2020-11-30 10:05:42 AM  

BizarreMan: It is safe to say you have failed as a mother if your son is stupid enough to be pro-disease.  Is it too late for a late term abortion because that is the only way to solve that particular problem.

However, sneaking out and taking your grandchild to be vaccinated is a stupid thing to do.  Better to just go ahead and for their birthday make a big deal about buying them a burial plot.  When his parents ask why, just tell them that you want the child to have a safe place to be buried.


What a farking stupid thing to say. Her son is an adult and decided to believe stupid shiat. Not everything thing is Momm'y fault you turd. By that logic, everyone who is a shiatty person has their parents to blame. Sometimes people just grow up to be stupid farking idiots, or worse, regardless of parenting. 

Good parenting doesn't make you immune from having a crappy kid.
 
2020-11-30 10:22:53 AM  
"My son and daughter-in-law are well-educated, responsible people. But once they had their first child (my now-18-month-old darling grandson), they did their own "research" and decided not to vaccinate him for fear of "pumping poison into his body" and "risking autism."

That's odd , who you would refer to as  "well educated" the rest of us would consider to be  morons.
 
2020-11-30 11:14:06 AM  
I asked my complete asshole fundie of a sister in law if she was going to vaccinate her crotch droppings, and she said, "We're reading about it."

NO.

The doctor administering them "read about it" in f*cking med school.  That's all you need to know.  Put the kid on the vax schedule and be f*cking normal about something in your god damn life.

Needless to say, I avoid those people at all costs.
 
2020-11-30 12:51:57 PM  
She should expose the child to Pertussis and when the child coughs itself to death she can hold the fact that the he died because of the parent's stupidity over their heads forever.

/no, not really
 
2020-11-30 1:20:05 PM  

Evil Mackerel: "My son and daughter-in-law are well-educated, responsible people. But once they had their first child (my now-18-month-old darling grandson), they did their own "research" and decided not to vaccinate him for fear of "pumping poison into his body" and "risking autism."

That's odd , who you would refer to as  "well educated" the rest of us would consider to be  morons.


Being well educated and being a moron are not mutually exclusive.
 
2020-11-30 2:16:40 PM  

moothemagiccow: Not gonna happen short of some visible horrors wrought on that kid.
Supreme Court says that the parent has a constitutional right to care custody and control of their child.


Thank God because many of us have been privy to grandparents who sought to control parental decisions, demand court enforced visitation, or outright custody over reasons much more frivolous than ant-vaxxer parents - reasons like my daughter was the child's birthmother prior to dying of an overdose; Granny doesn't like the step-Dad's ethnicity; even Granny misses having young children in the house. Once I met a grandparent that wanted custody of the grandkids because of the public aid that had been received when the kids were in her household. None of those are adequate reasons to deprive a child of a fit parent.
 
2020-11-30 4:09:06 PM  
Just don't refer to the grandchild by name.  When asked why, explain you're not taking the time to learn the names of people that won't live long enough to be a factor.

It's enough that pro-disease fundies and the results of their decisions will be a drain on our health care for some time without cluttering YOUR head up with temporary memories.
 
2020-11-30 9:46:24 PM  
I know that due to herd immunity the chances of his catching a serious illness is not high,


and yet, you want to make decisions about somebody else's kid?
 
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