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2020-11-29 10:03:38 PM  
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2020-11-29 11:09:23 PM  
 
2020-11-30 2:33:13 AM  
I can understand Trump being surprised that Biden got more votes from the black community than Obama, I am too. But then I am even more surprised that Trump increased his vote total.
 
2020-11-30 5:32:58 AM  
Those wereen't votes __for__  Biden, those were votes __against__  Trump.
 
2020-11-30 6:34:58 AM  
More courage from a GOP Congressman who won't have a seat anymore in five weeks.
 
2020-11-30 6:35:46 AM  

wademh: Those wereen't votes __for__  Biden, those were votes __against__  Trump.


Perhaps, but they all get counted the same.
 
2020-11-30 6:40:07 AM  
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Don't go away mad. Just go away.
 
2020-11-30 6:40:32 AM  

NobleHam: More courage from a GOP Congressman who won't have a seat anymore in five weeks.


Are you serious?   He was voted out?  How brave of him.
 
2020-11-30 6:41:38 AM  

NobleHam: More courage from a GOP Congressman who won't have a seat anymore in five weeks.


There have been so many it makes me respect them less. The overall message is that they know Trump is a disaster that's hurting the country but they don't do anything about it because they care more about their personal political careers.
 
2020-11-30 6:44:30 AM  

NobleHam: More courage from a GOP Congressman who won't have a seat anymore in five weeks.


Where were all these voices of dissent in the last 4 years?
 
2020-11-30 6:47:16 AM  

Stantz: NobleHam: More courage from a GOP Congressman who won't have a seat anymore in five weeks.

Where were all these voices of dissent in the last 4 years?


Too busy cashing the checks to trouble themselves.
 
2020-11-30 6:48:47 AM  
I dunno, I think Trump really should be outraged that the GOP did all that stuff to rig the election but refused to help him enough to win, too.
 
2020-11-30 6:50:28 AM  
Holy shiat, a current congress person is calling Trump out on their bullshiat?

You're alright just this once, you otherwise plutocratic ghoul.
 
2020-11-30 6:51:02 AM  

wademh: Those wereen't votes __for__  Biden, those were votes __against__  Trump.


And that's part of what's eating at him. He lives in his own world, where he is the best, the most, the smartest, etc.

At the same time, some part of him knows he lost the election, and he's being Trump, grifting through the chaos.
 
2020-11-30 6:51:45 AM  

MattytheMouse: Holy shiat, a current congress person is calling Trump out on their bullshiat?

You're alright just this once, you otherwise plutocratic ghoul.


Read the full Fark commentary.   Apparently he's not so 'alright.'
 
2020-11-30 6:53:54 AM  

Cythraul: MattytheMouse: Holy shiat, a current congress person is calling Trump out on their bullshiat?

You're alright just this once, you otherwise plutocratic ghoul.

Read the full Fark commentary.   Apparently he's not so 'alright.'


Yeah, I actually just read that!

Well, I'm gonna have to rescind his one-time coupon to Coldstone Creamery for actually having political courage.
 
2020-11-30 6:54:47 AM  

EvilEgg: I can understand Trump being surprised that Biden got more votes from the black community than Obama, I am too.


Obama got 93 percent of the black vote. Biden got approximately 90 percent.

Unless you're talking overall votes -  in which case, considering the fact that Biden got 15 million more votes than Obama did in 2012, it just makes sense.
 
2020-11-30 6:55:10 AM  

MattytheMouse: Cythraul: MattytheMouse: Holy shiat, a current congress person is calling Trump out on their bullshiat?

You're alright just this once, you otherwise plutocratic ghoul.

Read the full Fark commentary.   Apparently he's not so 'alright.'

Yeah, I actually just read that!

Well, I'm gonna have to rescind his one-time coupon to Coldstone Creamery for actually having political courage.


Who the fark goes to Cold Stone anyway?

Oh, now I get it.
 
2020-11-30 6:55:40 AM  

Cythraul: NobleHam: More courage from a GOP Congressman who won't have a seat anymore in five weeks.

Are you serious?   He was voted out?  How brave of him.


Nevermind.  He's not seeking a 3rd Term.  He wasn't voted out, he's just had his fill of the grift.
 
2020-11-30 6:57:48 AM  

qorkfiend: MattytheMouse: Cythraul: MattytheMouse: Holy shiat, a current congress person is calling Trump out on their bullshiat?

You're alright just this once, you otherwise plutocratic ghoul.

Read the full Fark commentary.   Apparently he's not so 'alright.'

Yeah, I actually just read that!

Well, I'm gonna have to rescind his one-time coupon to Coldstone Creamery for actually having political courage.

Who the fark goes to Cold Stone anyway?

Oh, now I get it.


What's wrong with Cold Stone?  I like CS creamery.

/i has a sad
 
2020-11-30 6:58:42 AM  

Cythraul: Cythraul: NobleHam: More courage from a GOP Congressman who won't have a seat anymore in five weeks.

Are you serious?   He was voted out?  How brave of him.

Nevermind.  He's not seeking a 3rd Term.  He wasn't voted out, he's just had his fill of the grift.


That's where I got confused. I googled his name and didn't see any mentions of him losing the 2020 election, so I just assumed "huh, a republican with a spine," like an idiot!

qorkfiend:Who the fark goes to Cold Stone anyway?

Oh, now I get it.


He could have been snaking on some strawberry basil flavored ice cream by now.
 
2020-11-30 7:00:15 AM  

Cythraul: qorkfiend: MattytheMouse: Cythraul: MattytheMouse: Holy shiat, a current congress person is calling Trump out on their bullshiat?

You're alright just this once, you otherwise plutocratic ghoul.

Read the full Fark commentary.   Apparently he's not so 'alright.'

Yeah, I actually just read that!

Well, I'm gonna have to rescind his one-time coupon to Coldstone Creamery for actually having political courage.

Who the fark goes to Cold Stone anyway?

Oh, now I get it.

What's wrong with Cold Stone?  I like CS creamery.

/i has a sad


I actually like Coldstone Creamery too. However, I do have a funny story about it.

Back when I had a friend that worked there, they had a flavor of the month called strawberry basil. It was about as good as you'd expect, and every kid that tried it always ran over to the trash can to spit it up.
 
2020-11-30 7:02:13 AM  

MattytheMouse: Cythraul: qorkfiend: MattytheMouse: Cythraul: MattytheMouse: Holy shiat, a current congress person is calling Trump out on their bullshiat?

You're alright just this once, you otherwise plutocratic ghoul.

Read the full Fark commentary.   Apparently he's not so 'alright.'

Yeah, I actually just read that!

Well, I'm gonna have to rescind his one-time coupon to Coldstone Creamery for actually having political courage.

Who the fark goes to Cold Stone anyway?

Oh, now I get it.

What's wrong with Cold Stone?  I like CS creamery.

/i has a sad

I actually like Coldstone Creamery too. However, I do have a funny story about it.

Back when I had a friend that worked there, they had a flavor of the month called strawberry basil. It was about as good as you'd expect, and every kid that tried it always ran over to the trash can to spit it up.


I'm always amused by the sheer number of people who had to be involved in making such an obviously boneheaded decision as "strawberry basil ice cream".
 
2020-11-30 7:07:26 AM  

qorkfiend: MattytheMouse: Cythraul: qorkfiend: MattytheMouse: Cythraul: MattytheMouse: Holy shiat, a current congress person is calling Trump out on their bullshiat?

You're alright just this once, you otherwise plutocratic ghoul.

Read the full Fark commentary.   Apparently he's not so 'alright.'

Yeah, I actually just read that!

Well, I'm gonna have to rescind his one-time coupon to Coldstone Creamery for actually having political courage.

Who the fark goes to Cold Stone anyway?

Oh, now I get it.

What's wrong with Cold Stone?  I like CS creamery.

/i has a sad

I actually like Coldstone Creamery too. However, I do have a funny story about it.

Back when I had a friend that worked there, they had a flavor of the month called strawberry basil. It was about as good as you'd expect, and every kid that tried it always ran over to the trash can to spit it up.

I'm always amused by the sheer number of people who had to be involved in making such an obviously boneheaded decision as "strawberry basil ice cream".


Strawberry basil icecream is what turned me into a socialist, because it single-handedly taught that "capitalism breads innovation" is a myth, if that 'innovation' means taking perfectly delicious strawberry ice cream, adding basil to it, and making it flavor of the month.
 
2020-11-30 7:11:49 AM  

MattytheMouse: qorkfiend: MattytheMouse: Cythraul: qorkfiend: MattytheMouse: Cythraul: MattytheMouse: Holy shiat, a current congress person is calling Trump out on their bullshiat?

You're alright just this once, you otherwise plutocratic ghoul.

Read the full Fark commentary.   Apparently he's not so 'alright.'

Yeah, I actually just read that!

Well, I'm gonna have to rescind his one-time coupon to Coldstone Creamery for actually having political courage.

Who the fark goes to Cold Stone anyway?

Oh, now I get it.

What's wrong with Cold Stone?  I like CS creamery.

/i has a sad

I actually like Coldstone Creamery too. However, I do have a funny story about it.

Back when I had a friend that worked there, they had a flavor of the month called strawberry basil. It was about as good as you'd expect, and every kid that tried it always ran over to the trash can to spit it up.

I'm always amused by the sheer number of people who had to be involved in making such an obviously boneheaded decision as "strawberry basil ice cream".

Strawberry basil icecream is what turned me into a socialist, because it single-handedly taught that "capitalism breads innovation" is a myth, if that 'innovation' means taking perfectly delicious strawberry ice cream, adding basil to it, and making it flavor of the month.


Well I guess we have to keep in mind that failure is an expected part of that innovation process. Free market and all.

Did it last the whole month? Or did it just  up and vanish one day?
 
2020-11-30 7:12:11 AM  
Why is our government allowing Trump to continue to undermine our faith in our elections?

Seems they might want to arrest him for sedition.
 
2020-11-30 7:14:34 AM  

qorkfiend: MattytheMouse: qorkfiend: MattytheMouse: Cythraul: qorkfiend: MattytheMouse: Cythraul: MattytheMouse: Holy shiat, a current congress person is calling Trump out on their bullshiat?

You're alright just this once, you otherwise plutocratic ghoul.

Read the full Fark commentary.   Apparently he's not so 'alright.'

Yeah, I actually just read that!

Well, I'm gonna have to rescind his one-time coupon to Coldstone Creamery for actually having political courage.

Who the fark goes to Cold Stone anyway?

Oh, now I get it.

What's wrong with Cold Stone?  I like CS creamery.

/i has a sad

I actually like Coldstone Creamery too. However, I do have a funny story about it.

Back when I had a friend that worked there, they had a flavor of the month called strawberry basil. It was about as good as you'd expect, and every kid that tried it always ran over to the trash can to spit it up.

I'm always amused by the sheer number of people who had to be involved in making such an obviously boneheaded decision as "strawberry basil ice cream".

Strawberry basil icecream is what turned me into a socialist, because it single-handedly taught that "capitalism breads innovation" is a myth, if that 'innovation' means taking perfectly delicious strawberry ice cream, adding basil to it, and making it flavor of the month.

Well I guess we have to keep in mind that failure is an expected part of that innovation process. Free market and all.

Did it last the whole month? Or did it just  up and vanish one day?


Nah, it was there for a whole month. Afterwards, there were a whole bunch of it left over, which my friend stole and kept in a freezer to haze other friends with.
 
2020-11-30 7:16:38 AM  

wademh: Those wereen't votes __for__  Biden, those were votes __against__  Trump.


This is absolutely true, and cannot be disputed.

But it is worth mentioning that even though many of us feel that way, Biden has been surprisingly good at this whole thing.  In the time since the election, he has proved to be a competent leader, making good decisions, and appointing all the right people to all the right places to start repairing the absolute mess left by Trump.

We may have simply voted against Trump.  But we actually voted in a competent leader while doing it.  That is FAR more than many of us hoped for.  And it's probably the only good thing to come out of this year.
 
2020-11-30 7:19:08 AM  

qorkfiend: wademh: Those wereen't votes __for__  Biden, those were votes __against__  Trump.

Perhaps, but they all get counted the same.


There is no path forward doing politics like that.

I have hope Biden will pull to the left (that's dead center in terms of politics in other countries). But that's not sufficient against a suicide cult of neo Nazis.

It's time to let the kids drive. They've got good ideas and they've been waiting patiently far longer than previous generations, to the point that we actually skipped Gen X (whatever, we're no longer to be trusted with politics anyway).

I think Biden is moral, for certain values of 1950's, white, USA morality, and certainly a far better improvement than Cheetohlini.

But being "better than Cheetohlini" can't be our point of departure if we're going to survive into the immediate future.
 
2020-11-30 7:22:38 AM  

MattytheMouse: qorkfiend: MattytheMouse: qorkfiend: MattytheMouse: Cythraul: qorkfiend: MattytheMouse: Cythraul: MattytheMouse: Holy shiat, a current congress person is calling Trump out on their bullshiat?

You're alright just this once, you otherwise plutocratic ghoul.

Read the full Fark commentary.   Apparently he's not so 'alright.'

Yeah, I actually just read that!

Well, I'm gonna have to rescind his one-time coupon to Coldstone Creamery for actually having political courage.

Who the fark goes to Cold Stone anyway?

Oh, now I get it.

What's wrong with Cold Stone?  I like CS creamery.

/i has a sad

I actually like Coldstone Creamery too. However, I do have a funny story about it.

Back when I had a friend that worked there, they had a flavor of the month called strawberry basil. It was about as good as you'd expect, and every kid that tried it always ran over to the trash can to spit it up.

I'm always amused by the sheer number of people who had to be involved in making such an obviously boneheaded decision as "strawberry basil ice cream".

Strawberry basil icecream is what turned me into a socialist, because it single-handedly taught that "capitalism breads innovation" is a myth, if that 'innovation' means taking perfectly delicious strawberry ice cream, adding basil to it, and making it flavor of the month.

Well I guess we have to keep in mind that failure is an expected part of that innovation process. Free market and all.

Did it last the whole month? Or did it just  up and vanish one day?

Nah, it was there for a whole month. Afterwards, there were a whole bunch of it left over, which my friend stole and kept in a freezer to haze other friends with.


See? There's our innovation.
 
2020-11-30 7:23:06 AM  

qorkfiend: wademh: Those wereen't votes __for__  Biden, those were votes __against__  Trump.

Perhaps, but they all get counted the same.


This issue will be important in just 2 years. Without Trump to rile up the voters, Democrats should expect major losses in 2022, as they hive little reason for voters to actually vote *for* them.

\there used to be a thing call coattails, where a major candidate would help lower-tier candidates win. The Democrats seemed to have lost that.
 
2020-11-30 7:26:45 AM  

yohohogreengiant: qorkfiend: wademh: Those wereen't votes __for__  Biden, those were votes __against__  Trump.

Perhaps, but they all get counted the same.

There is no path forward doing politics like that.

I have hope Biden will pull to the left (that's dead center in terms of politics in other countries). But that's not sufficient against a suicide cult of neo Nazis.

It's time to let the kids drive. They've got good ideas and they've been waiting patiently far longer than previous generations, to the point that we actually skipped Gen X (whatever, we're no longer to be trusted with politics anyway).

I think Biden is moral, for certain values of 1950's, white, USA morality, and certainly a far better improvement than Cheetohlini.

But being "better than Cheetohlini" can't be our point of departure if we're going to survive into the immediate future.


You're joking, right? Politics has been practiced like that for millennia.

If they want to drive they need to take the driver's seat. There are no turns. You don't get a seat at the table by waiting patiently. You kick someone else out, take their place, and invite everyone else to take their best shot.
 
2020-11-30 7:27:40 AM  

durbnpoisn: wademh: Those wereen't votes __for__  Biden, those were votes __against__  Trump.

This is absolutely true, and cannot be disputed.

But it is worth mentioning that even though many of us feel that way, Biden has been surprisingly good at this whole thing.  In the time since the election, he has proved to be a competent leader, making good decisions, and appointing all the right people to all the right places to start repairing the absolute mess left by Trump.

We may have simply voted against Trump.  But we actually voted in a competent leader while doing it.  That is FAR more than many of us hoped for.  And it's probably the only good thing to come out of this year.


Nearly all of the Democrats running would have been competent leaders. Biden's nothing special there.
 
2020-11-30 7:29:27 AM  

qorkfiend: yohohogreengiant: qorkfiend: wademh: Those wereen't votes __for__  Biden, those were votes __against__  Trump.

Perhaps, but they all get counted the same.

There is no path forward doing politics like that.

I have hope Biden will pull to the left (that's dead center in terms of politics in other countries). But that's not sufficient against a suicide cult of neo Nazis.

It's time to let the kids drive. They've got good ideas and they've been waiting patiently far longer than previous generations, to the point that we actually skipped Gen X (whatever, we're no longer to be trusted with politics anyway).

I think Biden is moral, for certain values of 1950's, white, USA morality, and certainly a far better improvement than Cheetohlini.

But being "better than Cheetohlini" can't be our point of departure if we're going to survive into the immediate future.

You're joking, right? Politics has been practiced like that for millennia.

If they want to drive they need to take the driver's seat. There are no turns. You don't get a seat at the table by waiting patiently. You kick someone else out, take their place, and invite everyone else to take their best shot.


So armed revolution it is, then.
 
2020-11-30 7:32:23 AM  
I'm just here to let Subby know the headline made me LOL.
 
2020-11-30 7:45:00 AM  

qorkfiend: yohohogreengiant: qorkfiend: wademh: Those wereen't votes __for__  Biden, those were votes __against__  Trump.

Perhaps, but they all get counted the same.

There is no path forward doing politics like that.

I have hope Biden will pull to the left (that's dead center in terms of politics in other countries). But that's not sufficient against a suicide cult of neo Nazis.

It's time to let the kids drive. They've got good ideas and they've been waiting patiently far longer than previous generations, to the point that we actually skipped Gen X (whatever, we're no longer to be trusted with politics anyway).

I think Biden is moral, for certain values of 1950's, white, USA morality, and certainly a far better improvement than Cheetohlini.

But being "better than Cheetohlini" can't be our point of departure if we're going to survive into the immediate future.

You're joking, right? Politics has been practiced like that for millennia.

If they want to drive they need to take the driver's seat. There are no turns. You don't get a seat at the table by waiting patiently. You kick someone else out, take their place, and invite everyone else to take their best shot.


In our country a few billionaires largely decide primaries. You can chart money vs. Electability, it's a statistic that is thrown around. You may have seen this.

AOC and the squad are the face of the future. They grabbed it, really in the only places where the money would allow it (and really they were able to go against the big Democratic doners and win)

Everywhere else, the money has decided, and poorly. Amy McGrath, etc.

So yes, get a turn at the wheel is really how it works in a money based party system
 
2020-11-30 7:46:11 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: qorkfiend: yohohogreengiant: qorkfiend: wademh: Those wereen't votes __for__  Biden, those were votes __against__  Trump.

Perhaps, but they all get counted the same.

There is no path forward doing politics like that.

I have hope Biden will pull to the left (that's dead center in terms of politics in other countries). But that's not sufficient against a suicide cult of neo Nazis.

It's time to let the kids drive. They've got good ideas and they've been waiting patiently far longer than previous generations, to the point that we actually skipped Gen X (whatever, we're no longer to be trusted with politics anyway).

I think Biden is moral, for certain values of 1950's, white, USA morality, and certainly a far better improvement than Cheetohlini.

But being "better than Cheetohlini" can't be our point of departure if we're going to survive into the immediate future.

You're joking, right? Politics has been practiced like that for millennia.

If they want to drive they need to take the driver's seat. There are no turns. You don't get a seat at the table by waiting patiently. You kick someone else out, take their place, and invite everyone else to take their best shot.

So armed revolution it is, then.


That's how he seemed to misinterpret my post, yes.

With money deciding primaries there's no grabbing anything outside a few city districts
 
2020-11-30 7:48:17 AM  

Original: Original Tweet:

RepPaulMitchell: Oh my God. .@realDonaldTrump Please for the sake of our Nation please drop these arguments without evidence or factual basis. #stopthestupid https://t.co/IMMImXrckV


He's so nutty - it's looking like he will surpass something like 74 million votes? He, himself, gained almost 15 million votes! That 30 million extra folks showed up to vote, and both he and Biden split them 50-50 is, unfortunately, the most logical, and most 2020 thing, I could imagine.

There is, literally, no anomaly, anywhere, to be seen.
 
2020-11-30 7:49:52 AM  
Hang on.  Hang on.  I'm part of this 'everyone' group and yet I know the election was fair.  The mind swirls.  I need to lay down.

No boss.  I said I need to lay down.
 
2020-11-30 8:02:08 AM  

yohohogreengiant: qorkfiend: yohohogreengiant: qorkfiend: wademh: Those wereen't votes __for__  Biden, those were votes __against__  Trump.

Perhaps, but they all get counted the same.

There is no path forward doing politics like that.

I have hope Biden will pull to the left (that's dead center in terms of politics in other countries). But that's not sufficient against a suicide cult of neo Nazis.

It's time to let the kids drive. They've got good ideas and they've been waiting patiently far longer than previous generations, to the point that we actually skipped Gen X (whatever, we're no longer to be trusted with politics anyway).

I think Biden is moral, for certain values of 1950's, white, USA morality, and certainly a far better improvement than Cheetohlini.

But being "better than Cheetohlini" can't be our point of departure if we're going to survive into the immediate future.

You're joking, right? Politics has been practiced like that for millennia.

If they want to drive they need to take the driver's seat. There are no turns. You don't get a seat at the table by waiting patiently. You kick someone else out, take their place, and invite everyone else to take their best shot.

In our country a few billionaires largely decide primaries. You can chart money vs. Electability, it's a statistic that is thrown around. You may have seen this.

AOC and the squad are the face of the future. They grabbed it, really in the only places where the money would allow it (and really they were able to go against the big Democratic doners and win)

Everywhere else, the money has decided, and poorly. Amy McGrath, etc.

So yes, get a turn at the wheel is really how it works in a money based party system


You are vastly overstating the role of money in politics, and doing so in a way that makes it obvious you're just using it as a way to deflect blame.

If AOC and company want more progressives in Congress they need to go out and do what AOC and company did, which was earn more votes than the other candidates. Stop whining about how other people are the problem because they won't let you win.
 
2020-11-30 8:05:38 AM  

NobleHam: More courage from a GOP Congressman who won't have a seat anymore in five weeks.


Maybe we should prohibit anybody from running for consecutive terms so they can grow some balls rather than worrying about reelection?
 
2020-11-30 8:05:39 AM  
There always needs to be at least one person taking the opposite side 9f an issue, no matter how popular. It gives the appearance of a healthy debate.

#RepublicanCourage
 
2020-11-30 8:23:51 AM  

qorkfiend: yohohogreengiant: qorkfiend: yohohogreengiant: qorkfiend: wademh: Those wereen't votes __for__  Biden, those were votes __against__  Trump.

Perhaps, but they all get counted the same.

There is no path forward doing politics like that.

I have hope Biden will pull to the left (that's dead center in terms of politics in other countries). But that's not sufficient against a suicide cult of neo Nazis.

It's time to let the kids drive. They've got good ideas and they've been waiting patiently far longer than previous generations, to the point that we actually skipped Gen X (whatever, we're no longer to be trusted with politics anyway).

I think Biden is moral, for certain values of 1950's, white, USA morality, and certainly a far better improvement than Cheetohlini.

But being "better than Cheetohlini" can't be our point of departure if we're going to survive into the immediate future.

You're joking, right? Politics has been practiced like that for millennia.

If they want to drive they need to take the driver's seat. There are no turns. You don't get a seat at the table by waiting patiently. You kick someone else out, take their place, and invite everyone else to take their best shot.

In our country a few billionaires largely decide primaries. You can chart money vs. Electability, it's a statistic that is thrown around. You may have seen this.

AOC and the squad are the face of the future. They grabbed it, really in the only places where the money would allow it (and really they were able to go against the big Democratic doners and win)

Everywhere else, the money has decided, and poorly. Amy McGrath, etc.

So yes, get a turn at the wheel is really how it works in a money based party system

You are vastly overstating the role of money in politics, and doing so in a way that makes it obvious you're just using it as a way to deflect blame.

If AOC and company want more progressives in Congress they need to go out and do what AOC and company did, which was earn more votes than the other candidates. Stop whining about how other people are the problem because they won't let you win.


"really overstating the role of money in politics"

Really?

I'm (nominally) in the USA. What country do you live in where I'm overstating the role of money?

But you got to say that people are whiners, so I guess mission accomplished?

Whatever dude. The donor class appreciates your contribution to the discussion.
 
2020-11-30 8:27:54 AM  
Retiring republicans sure get brave when they don't have to answer to the Trump cult anymore.
 
2020-11-30 8:27:54 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: durbnpoisn: wademh: Those wereen't votes __for__  Biden, those were votes __against__  Trump.

This is absolutely true, and cannot be disputed.

But it is worth mentioning that even though many of us feel that way, Biden has been surprisingly good at this whole thing.  In the time since the election, he has proved to be a competent leader, making good decisions, and appointing all the right people to all the right places to start repairing the absolute mess left by Trump.

We may have simply voted against Trump.  But we actually voted in a competent leader while doing it.  That is FAR more than many of us hoped for.  And it's probably the only good thing to come out of this year.

Nearly all of the Democrats running would have been competent leaders. Biden's nothing special there.


Well, maybe it just feels that way because I've gotten so used to politicians sounding like mindless toddlers and idiots, that ANY amount of adulting sounds farking magical.
 
2020-11-30 8:31:43 AM  

yohohogreengiant: qorkfiend: yohohogreengiant: qorkfiend: yohohogreengiant: qorkfiend: wademh: Those wereen't votes __for__  Biden, those were votes __against__  Trump.

Perhaps, but they all get counted the same.

There is no path forward doing politics like that.

I have hope Biden will pull to the left (that's dead center in terms of politics in other countries). But that's not sufficient against a suicide cult of neo Nazis.

It's time to let the kids drive. They've got good ideas and they've been waiting patiently far longer than previous generations, to the point that we actually skipped Gen X (whatever, we're no longer to be trusted with politics anyway).

I think Biden is moral, for certain values of 1950's, white, USA morality, and certainly a far better improvement than Cheetohlini.

But being "better than Cheetohlini" can't be our point of departure if we're going to survive into the immediate future.

You're joking, right? Politics has been practiced like that for millennia.

If they want to drive they need to take the driver's seat. There are no turns. You don't get a seat at the table by waiting patiently. You kick someone else out, take their place, and invite everyone else to take their best shot.

In our country a few billionaires largely decide primaries. You can chart money vs. Electability, it's a statistic that is thrown around. You may have seen this.

AOC and the squad are the face of the future. They grabbed it, really in the only places where the money would allow it (and really they were able to go against the big Democratic doners and win)

Everywhere else, the money has decided, and poorly. Amy McGrath, etc.

So yes, get a turn at the wheel is really how it works in a money based party system

You are vastly overstating the role of money in politics, and doing so in a way that makes it obvious you're just using it as a way to deflect blame.

If AOC and company want more progressives in Congress they need to go out and do what AOC and company did, which was earn more votes than the other candidates. Stop whining about how other people are the problem because they won't let you win.

"really overstating the role of money in politics"

Really?

I'm (nominally) in the USA. What country do you live in where I'm overstating the role of money?

But you got to say that people are whiners, so I guess mission accomplished?

Whatever dude. The donor class appreciates your contribution to the discussion.


I'm observing that candidates like McGrath and Jamie Harrison have raised and spent hundreds of millions of dollars on the way to losing. I'm also observing that people like AOC didn't win their seats because they out-raised their opponents. Money is not votes, and votes are what is counted.

Stop pretending your inability to earn votes is because money means you're not allowed to.
 
2020-11-30 8:38:31 AM  
SUBBY: headline is luxurious, silky and free of split ends!
 
2020-11-30 8:41:59 AM  

qorkfiend: I'm observing that candidates like McGrath and Jamie Harrison have raised and spent hundreds of millions of dollars on the way to losing. I'm also observing that people like AOC didn't win their seats because they out-raised their opponents. Money is not votes, and votes are what is counted.

Stop pretending your inability to earn votes is because money means you're not allowed to.


Not intended to jack your conversation here...  But campaign contributions DO help, and DO correlated to how well a candidate does.

AOC is an extreme example of someone who's message got out simply because she is awesome - word of mouth got her elected.  Most candidates need to flood the ad-waves or their message will never be heard.

Many people vote at the polls based purely on things like, "Hmmm...  Who's name have I heard?"

I'm not saying I disagree with you.  Just that there is more to that metric than I think you are giving credit.
 
2020-11-30 9:04:32 AM  
another republican trying to find a spine once they weren't seeking reelection

it don't mean shiat when you never said anything when your ass was on the line
 
2020-11-30 9:05:45 AM  
vidal sassoon would've at least voted for impeachment
 
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